QUOTE (freezingpoint @ May 25 2011, 08:01 AM)
We lost only 2 wars in history to foreigners and regained our independence eventually. Mongols, and Manchus. The other times, there was always a remaining Han state that eventually overpowered the invaders.
Even the Mongols, they reigned for 89 years, but then were overthrown by the Han (some claim he was Korean) peasant Zhu Yuanzhang who established the Ming Dynasty. Then he used cannons to break their capital Xanadu and torched the city.
Every war in Chinese history has been lost by traitors. Jia Sidao for the Mongols, Wu Sangui for the Manchus, Wang Jingwei for the Japanese.
Strange view over history about war and traitor, throughout history only 2 non han groups managed to really defeat china (and become part of china themselves like most others who tried their luck and failed), mongol faced a china which was already divided for over centuries by liao, sung, jin, xixia, also chinese state at that time was considered as millitarily the weakest point in history barely able to hold up the position even without the interferrence of mongols, ironically chinese culture, economy and science made huge achievements at the same time. It surely wasnt such big challange to defeat and conquer china during the mongol age, nevertheless it took them 3 generations to finish their conquest just to lose all in a few decades, being defeated by the "new" old china both culturally and millitarily.
Manchurians had even more luck since at the time of their invasion chinese central government already collapsed thanks to internal rebellion, also they were even invited into china by the ming "loyalists" or "han traitors", it was basically a walk in job, fight the burnt out peasant army with help the remain of best ming forces from northeastern border region and finally take the spoiles.
Traitors certainly did their part but in both cases of mongols and manchurian, the downfall would be inevitable considering the geopolitical situation, and in the case of japan, the foreign invasion failed even with help of so many traitors and "collaboration" armies.