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DARTHSITH
I'm a half breed Filipino. People on my mom's side aren't completely pure. The skin tone on my mom's side varies from brown or yellow colored, but we all have the same Mexican like facial features because of basque blood. My father is White.
I don't look much different from your modern day Latino. I look 100% Latino. If you think of it, I basically am a Latino because of the mixed of Spanish blood and colored people blood. Filipinos are basically a type of Native American like the Aztecs, Toltecs, Apache, Navaho. At some point thousands of years ago people who were from what is now the Philippines probably inhabited the Americas. I don't believe that the Filipinos and Northern Asians are related through blood. If you look at the cultures of Filipinos to Chinese, Japanese, Koreans you'll see that we're racially separate. Calling Filipinos and Northern Asians the same race is like saying an Arabic person is the same as a European. The Filipinos and Chinese might share common blood types, slanted eyes, and similar alphabet, but they're not the same thing. There are major difference between Filipinos and Chinese. If I were to classify Filipinos, I'd say they're more related to Native Americans than to Northern Asians.
The Indonesians and Malaysians are also brothers to some degree just not the Chinese that live in those domains. I do not count the Thais as related.
filipinoy
native americans like the inuits dont look filipino at all
DARTHSITH
QUOTE (DARTHSITH @ Mar 19 2011, 10:37 PM) *
I'm a half breed Filipino. People on my mom's side aren't completely pure. The skin tone on my mom's side varies from brown or yellow colored, but we all have the same Mexican like facial features because of basque blood. My father is White.
I don't look much different from your modern day Latino. I look 100% Latino. If you think of it, I basically am a Latino because of the mixed of Spanish blood and colored people blood. Filipinos are basically a type of Native American like the Aztecs, Toltecs, Apache, Navaho. At some point thousands of years ago people who were from what is now the Philippines probably inhabited the Americas. I don't believe that the Filipinos and Northern Asians are related through blood. If you look at the cultures of Filipinos to Chinese, Japanese, Koreans you'll see that we're racially separate. Calling Filipinos and Northern Asians the same race is like saying an Arabic person is the same as a European. The Filipinos and Chinese might share common blood types, slanted eyes, and similar alphabet, but they're not the same thing. There are major difference between Filipinos and Chinese. If I were to classify Filipinos, I'd say they're more related to Native Americans than to Northern Asians.
The Indonesians and Malaysians are also brothers to some degree just not the Chinese that live in those domains. I do not count the Thais as related.

Some Mongolian or Japanese like people probably inhabited the Northern parts of America. People from what is now the Philippines inhabited the other regions of America like what is now Mexico, the Amazon, Peru, and South America. Also some went to what is now the USA. These are Native Americans. They are descended from Filipinos

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TiaoLuang88
Filipino are related to Thai people.
filipinoy
mongoloids on similar latitude/climate tend to look somewhat similar?
Gideon
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martin_nuke
Filipinos are related to Kokey.
hugo boss
Filipino is NOT related to native american, probably closer to negrito or guam & other indigenous peoples

the negritos were there before the filipinos so your more related to those types and maybe some pacific islander or taiwanese aboriginals

primarily from Malay stock

the Alaskan natives / inuit / Siberian are the last to cross over the land bridge out of asia so I would consider those people closer to the native americans
silangan
Pinoys are related to Pinays period.
Kathtorres19
Let's say Filipinos have different blood race as stated in the history of Philippines. The first ancestor of Filipino is Negritos, then Indones, and the third one which is dominant race of Filipino right now is Malay. In Philippines, there are many tribes where Filipinos are belong. Don't compare Filipinos to other races because Filipinos have own culture, norms and traditions that you cannot see to other races.
kermit_criminal
Filipinos came from Sundaland, back then they called it lemuria.. The other races got jealous because our civilization was the $hit. the chinese, indians, and arabs from the north conspired against us then nuked the continent til it sunk. in 2012 during the next ice age, giant pyramids and ancient cities will be revealed underwater in indonesia
newties21
QUOTE (kermit_criminal @ Mar 21 2011, 08:49 AM) *
Filipinos came from Sundaland, back then they called it lemuria.. The other races got jealous because our civilization was the $hit. the chinese, indians, and arabs from the north conspired against us then nuked the continent til it sunk. in 2012 during the next ice age, giant pyramids and ancient cities will be revealed underwater in indonesia


I see.

romeydahound
QUOTE (kermit_criminal @ Mar 21 2011, 05:49 AM) *
Filipinos came from Sundaland, back then they called it lemuria.. The other races got jealous because our civilization was the $hit. the chinese, indians, and arabs from the north conspired against us then nuked the continent til it sunk. in 2012 during the next ice age, giant pyramids and ancient cities will be revealed underwater in indonesia

true indeed all asians in reality are indonesian. your right bro. lemuria will rise again and defeat atlantis for the final time! all the mixed asians like the chinese, japanese, indians, arabs, etc. will recieve their punishment from the most high! oh did i mention south east asians are the israelites
ocrapdm
QUOTE (DARTHSITH @ Mar 20 2011, 10:37 AM) *
I'm a half breed Filipino. People on my mom's side aren't completely pure. The skin tone on my mom's side varies from brown or yellow colored, but we all have the same Mexican like facial features because of basque blood. My father is White.
I don't look much different from your modern day Latino. I look 100% Latino. If you think of it, I basically am a Latino because of the mixed of Spanish blood and colored people blood. Filipinos are basically a type of Native American like the Aztecs, Toltecs, Apache, Navaho. At some point thousands of years ago people who were from what is now the Philippines probably inhabited the Americas. I don't believe that the Filipinos and Northern Asians are related through blood. If you look at the cultures of Filipinos to Chinese, Japanese, Koreans you'll see that we're racially separate. Calling Filipinos and Northern Asians the same race is like saying an Arabic person is the same as a European. The Filipinos and Chinese might share common blood types, slanted eyes, and similar alphabet, but they're not the same thing. There are major difference between Filipinos and Chinese. If I were to classify Filipinos, I'd say they're more related to Native Americans than to Northern Asians.
The Indonesians and Malaysians are also brothers to some degree just not the Chinese that live in those domains. I do not count the Thais as related.


Filipinos come from a mixture of 2/3 Mongoloid and 1/3 Australoid ancestry, so the resulting mixture gives many Filipinos a seemingly Caucasian facial feature.

There are A LOT OF Filipinos who do look Latino here in the Philippines, NOT only in the cities but also in the deep provinces. The admixture thingy explains it.

Btw, Arabs and Northern Europeans are INDEED considered to be of ONE RACE. embarassedlaugh.gif

Native Americans are MUCH, MUCH closer to Northern Asians THAN THEY ARE to Southeast Asians like Pilipinos.
romeydahound
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Mar 21 2011, 10:17 PM) *
Filipinos come from a mixture of 2/3 Mongoloid and 1/3 Australoid ancestry, so the resulting mixture gives many Filipinos a seemingly Caucasian facial feature.

There are A LOT OF Filipinos who do look Latino here in the Philippines, NOT only in the cities but also in the deep provinces. The admixture thingy explains it.

Btw, Arabs and Northern Europeans are INDEED considered to be of ONE RACE. embarassedlaugh.gif

Native Americans are MUCH, MUCH closer to Northern Asians THAN THEY ARE to Southeast Asians like Pilipinos.

your stupid
WoahZtong
I don't know about "relation" but I have to admit I really can't tell many, if not most sometimes, Southeast Asians and Central Americans apart just on a looks basis. Nothing wrong with that though. I don't think my ethnicity affects that perception that much but I'm chinese singaporean but 1/4 white from my mom being half white and her mom (my grandma) being german. I had some southeast asian friend (like malay, filipino, khmer, indonesian, etc) say that in US many time white people confuse them to be mexican ancestry instead of southeast asian. And I heard before of mexican of the ones who are/look very indigenous ancestry (native american?) who travel to southeast asia before and talk about locals often confusing them as a fellow local. So I don't know if deep down there is an actual relation but at least on superficial level many, many southeast asians and central americans look alike which is what the thread starter was intending to say I think.

If we're just going by generalities, I think in southeast asia generally the most "stereotypically asian" (at least in the eyes of most non-asians) looking groups are mainly obviously the ethnic chinese (which is including most of singapore) and then secondly vietnamese. Third is either northern thai or northern laotion. I know people here disagree with ocrapdm on many things but in this case he is right that yes it is true that generally SEA is known as a crossroads of different cultures, religions, languages, ancestries, etc which is why if you ask 95% of white americans what they think of when they think of the word "asian" they mostly think of china/chinese and surrounding countries like korea and japan rather than southeast asia.

That being said ironic for me to say this in this post but it kinda sucks that so much of this board is dedicated just to talking about genes, light skinned, racial comparisons, etc lol. The social constuct of race is completely affected by cultural and economic perceptions anyway. If we really want to get down to it and have real discussion, talk about the differences in cultures (religions, languages, foods, etc) and economics (like wealthy, poor, etc) between ethnicities that almost completely are the root of and shape our modern perception of "race" rather than just the physical features and phenotypes. For example, everything else being equal I could probably way easier get to know and maybe even befriend a filipino descended person who is singaporean citizen and speaks chinese than a chinese descended person who is filipino citizen and speaks tagalog/llocano.
hugo boss
QUOTE (WoahZtong @ Mar 22 2011, 05:16 AM) *
I don't know about "relation" but I have to admit I really can't tell many, if not most sometimes, Southeast Asians and Central Americans apart just on a looks basis. Nothing wrong with that though. I don't think my ethnicity affects that perception that much but I'm chinese singaporean but 1/4 white from my mom being half white and her mom (my grandma) being german. I had some southeast asian friend (like malay, filipino, khmer, indonesian, etc) say that in US many time white people confuse them to be mexican ancestry instead of southeast asian. And I heard before of mexican of the ones who are/look very indigenous ancestry (native american?) who travel to southeast asia before and talk about locals often confusing them as a fellow local. So I don't know if deep down there is an actual relation but at least on superficial level many, many southeast asians and central americans look alike which is what the thread starter was intending to say I think.


you cant really judge a persons ethnicty by looks, just because they kind of look similiar doesnt mean they are related

Ive seen Mexicans that can pass as middle eastern, Iraqi, Pakistani, etc, but they are not related at all

and some Indians / Pakis / Middle eastern can pass as Mexicans and they are not related
austronesian0sailor
I lived in an area with lots of south east asian and many latinos. Everyone could tell the difference.

Lately though, More immigrants from the pure Indian stock have been coming to America, they look somewhat more similar. that's when things get a little more difficult.






I've noticed that Native Americans have more Northern Asian type features. They seem to always have sinodont teeth, and a square broad head like Northern Han chinese. From my understanding they were tall robust people like Northern Asians and became shorter over time. They also have the Long and skinny noses like Northerners rather than the low stubby nose of Southern chinese and South East Asians.
chiuchimu
Filipinos and Native Americans are all Mongoloids but that's about it. I say we are all brothers.
hugo boss
I also noticed most native americans dont have thick lips like SEA / filipinos have
filipinoy
QUOTE (hugo boss @ Mar 22 2011, 10:33 AM) *
I also noticed most native americans dont have thick lips like SEA / filipinos have

maybe those in higher latitudes don't since thicker lips didnt develop for cooler climate.. but many n.a. actually do

USA


mayan


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hugo boss
native american tribes are all different, depending on what area they come from



old Apache, he almost looks like he could pass as an old Moro warrior chief from Mindanao
ScubaBride2
It is really strange. I have 2 Filipino sons adopted over 20 years ago. I am 1/2 American Indian and so is my daughter who's faather is also 1/2 American Indian. They actually resemble each other alot with my daughter having slightly exotic eyes and large lips. We have no Black in our blood.
ocrapdm
QUOTE (romeydahound @ Mar 22 2011, 07:21 PM) *
your stupid


Nah. you're the stupid one. It's pretty obvious. embarassedlaugh.gif
JaM
U aren't even Hispanics!

Diz iz a Hispanic:


Diz iz not:


There really isn't much going on here anyway, and what's up with all those spam posts everywhere? No moderators any more?
jonathanrhino
QUOTE (JaM @ Jan 31 2012, 03:17 PM) *
U aren't even Hispanics!

Diz iz a Hispanic:


Diz iz not:


There really isn't much going on here anyway, and what's up with all those spam posts everywhere? No moderators any more?


Who told you that we are Hispanics? Your 2nd or 3rd generation Fil Am friends who only know adobo and pansit? Even during the Spanish occupation, pure Spaniards only number in the hundreds, most Hispanics here are actually Mexicans. After the defeat of Spain by US, almost all Filipinos with Spanish blood migrated back to their motherland. Some stayed and chose to be Pinoys. So Hispanic by blood? Nah. Hispanic by culture? Maybe. Filipino? All the way.
AsiaticGlory
I believe the term is "proto-Mongoloid." They are the original Asians before adaptation to Siberia's ice age climate. Those dark-skinned people with bigger eyelids who look kind of Asian are proto-Mongoloids. They are the people who displaced the Negritos in Southeast Asia. Later, they got mixed with the lighter skinned more stereotypical looking "new" Mongoloids of the north.

Since I live in Texas, I see lots of Mexicans. I notice Mexicans tend to have that proto-Mongoloid Indonesian/Polynesian look.

I am still trying to figure out why people think Mexicans look East Asian. Even a tanned Taiwanese with double eyelids like myself get identified by Mexicans as "Chinese." In America, "Chinese" is a synonym for "Mongoloid."

The only "Asians" who can fit in with Mexicans are some Filipinos, Malays, and Indonesians.

It is mainly the Eskimos who look Mongoloid. Some North American natives look Mongoloid.

The Amerinds from Central America look more proto-Mongoloid.
pinoynacionalista
QUOTE (jonathanrhino @ Jan 31 2012, 11:39 PM) *
Who told you that we are Hispanics? Your 2nd or 3rd generation Fil Am friends who only know adobo and pansit? Even during the Spanish occupation, pure Spaniards only number in the hundreds, most Hispanics here are actually Mexicans. After the defeat of Spain by US, almost all Filipinos with Spanish blood migrated back to their motherland. Some stayed and chose to be Pinoys. So Hispanic by blood? Nah. Hispanic by culture? Maybe. Filipino? All the way.


Yup. I hate how Filipinos try to compare themselves ethnically and genetically to western Europeans. WE ARE NOT EUROPEAN NOR ARE WE NORTHERN MONGOLOIDS. Obviously, we are of mongoloid stock and if you have any bit of common sense you can see that. Bottom line, we are 200% FILIPINO and that is it. Although, I think the Philippines should change it's name. We do not belong to Spain anymore. We are an Asiatic country and that's just it. Asia belongs to us, and vice versa, just as much as the Chinese and Japanese. Let's start acting like it, yes?
RafaelM
There was a recent incident of a Mexican archeologist claiming that the ancient remains of woman found on the Mexican Caribbean Coast looked like an Indonesian.

Mexico: Ancient woman suggests diverse migration

I guess the Muslim Malay in Asia could start by creating ties with the Muslim Amerindians in Chiapas. Which, curiously enough, were converted by Muslim Spaniards in the 1990's - 2000's.

Mexico's Tzotzil Indians convert to Islam
AnybodyKiller
The reason they look similar is because of relatively recent separation from the "Asian" line.



Native Americans are Q, P is a now nearly non-existant "Siberian" line still found at very low frequencies in central Asia and eastern Europe. Through isolation and/or selection certain tribes have likely just developed similar skin tone and features to certain Southeast Asians. Even then I can tell that they aren't Asian. I encounter Mexicans who look almost completely Amerindian and still know they aren't Filipino. It's extremely rare that one can "pass."
Fictionicon
dude, i always go to the casino at the Indian reserve. filipinos look nothing like indians. you say you look "latino" because you are a mestizo. mestizos are half white or half spanish.. basically that is what the light skin latinos are anyway..."mestizos"


side track for a bit... those eskimos look japanese to me
AnybodyKiller
QUOTE (Fictionicon @ Feb 1 2012, 12:20 PM) *
dude, i always go to the casino at the Indian reserve. filipinos look nothing like indians. you say you look "latino" because you are a mestizo. mestizos are half white or half spanish.. basically that is what the light skin latinos are anyway..."mestizos"


side track for a bit... those eskimos look japanese to me



Exactly, that's where I can see the confusion happening between the Amerindian/white mixes and Southeast Asian/white mixes of course. Even through experience, but even then most Filipinos can tell the difference between Mexican Mestizos and Filipino Mestizos.
filipinai
Maybe there is some people like the aztec and nahuatl due to the galleon that mixed the population of the Philippines.
These people were the descendants of those who jump ship like those I read about the slaves, crew and sailors during the 300 yrs of the galleon trade between Acapulco-Manila.. who knows maybe embarassedlaugh.gif but I am sure not majority of Filipinos mix with them...

same with the Filipinos who jump ship in Cuba in Pinar del Rio (Former "Nueva Filipinas" or New Philippines) due to a lot of Filipinos jump ship.

QUOTE
Pinar del Rнo Province

The city and province was originally founded by the Spanish as Nueva Filipinas (New Philippines) due to the huge influx of Filipinos who arrived from the Manila Galleons. They brought with them tamarind (also known as sampaloc), camisa de chinos, and arroz caldo (also known as arroz caldoso)

Known as Chinos Manila among the local population, the Filipinos worked the huge tobacco plantations much like how they did in the present provinces of Ilocos Sur, Tarlac, Ilocos Norte, Cagayan and Isabela in their home country. During that time, the Spanish colonizers had a virtual monopoly of the tobacco trade through their company, the Tabacalera.

The world renowned La Flor de Isabela cigars (named after her Royal Majesty Queen Isabella II) were first cultivated in the Philippines in the Hacienda San Fernando, Hacienda Isabel, Hacienda Antonio and the Hacienda Luisita (all of these haciendas were later purchased by the Tabacalera or the Compania general de Tabacos de Filipinas sociedad anonima). After Mexico declared independence, the trade of the Manila Galleons was broken. The Tabacalera shifted the cultivation of these cigars to Cuba since the Philippines was too far to govern without Mexico in between. The Isabela cigars achieved much fame due in part because of the American's appetite for cigars when Havana was a Las Vegas-style playground before the tenure of President Fidel Castro.

Nueva Filipinas was renamed Pinar del Rнo in 1774 at the same time that the old colonial capital of Guane lost its superiority(Previously, the old capital of Guane was named after the Gaane district in the Maluku Islands. During the Spanish times, the area was referred to as Las Islas Moluccas. Gaane in Indonesia is still located in the southern tip of Halmahera island. To this day, the Moluccas island group is the only area in predominantly Muslim Indonesia that has a Christian majority. The Moluccas or Spice Islands is also the scene of ongoing violent communal fighting between Christians and Muslim Jihad groups. During the 16th and 17th centuries, Ternate island was the most important of the Moluccas islands in Indonesia. Ternate island is right off the coast of nearby Halmahera island where the town of Gaane is also located. At that time, Spain, Portugal, England and the Netherlands quarreled over their claim to get hold of the monopoly of the spice trade of the world. In fact, Isabella I of Castile (for whom the city of Isabela, Basilan and Isabela (province), Philippiines was named) and her husband Ferdinand II of Aragon coveted the islands so much they sent Christopher Columbus and many conquistadores to find it. In 1655, however, the Spaniards had to withdraw from the Moluccas in order to concentrate their forces in Manila. This was to fortify themselves against the threatened attack of a Chinese warlord, Koxinga. In moving out of the Moluccas, the Spanish missionary who went with the troops took along with him some 200 Moluccas Christians, better known as Mбrdikas. To this band of 200 Moluccas Indonesian immigrants can be traced the origin of Chabacano or Creole Spanish in the Philippines).

Afterwards, some Filipinos moved to Havana's big Barrio Chino or Chinatown. Others jumped ship to Louisiana. Others sailed back to Sinaloa and Jalisco in Mexico. Those with money went to Spain or back to Manila (and brought with them Escabeche a la Cubana which is a favorite dish to all Filipinos which they almost always serve using fish). The rest intermarried with the Cuban population.

Those who stayed quickly lost their Filipino ties since many among the Filipinos were like the local Cubans. They can speak Spanish, they were Catholic, they have to pay taxes or tributos, and they were treated like slaves by their Spanish masters. (Back in the Philippines, entire provinces were assigned to grow tobacco and nothing more. Those caught stealing a single leaf of tobacco or caught growing the food staple, rice, were hit with sugarcane or sentenced to death by garrote). Nonetheless, their children survive to this day. That is why there are Filipino or Chinese-Filipino sounding surnames in Cuba, such as Tampico, Magalan (from Magalang or to show respect), Batunbacal (from Batungbakal), Maquilin, Sumayao (to dance), Parian, Mabolo, Pilapil, Alimoron (from Alimurung), Nacpil, Gotiaco, Piat, Singson or Singzon, Tuason or Tuazon, Hizon or Hison, Dizon or Dison, Hinojosa or Hinohosa, Gandionco, Quiambao, Salambao, Puyat, Edralin, et al.

Important Cuban-Filipinos include the Azcarraga Fessner family, whose patriarch was Marcelo de Azcarraga y Palmero, the first Prime Minister of Spain with Indian blood, whose mother was a Filipina from the Lizarrabal and Palmero families. [2]

Pinar del Rio was one of the last major cities in Cuba founded by the Spanish
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinar_del_R%C3%ADo_Province
RafaelM
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Feb 1 2012, 11:15 AM) *
The reason they look similar is because of relatively recent separation from the "Asian" line.



Native Americans are Q, P is a now nearly non-existant "Siberian" line still found at very low frequencies in central Asia and eastern Europe. Through isolation and/or selection certain tribes have likely just developed similar skin tone and features to certain Southeast Asians. Even then I can tell that they aren't Asian. I encounter Mexicans who look almost completely Amerindian and still know they aren't Filipino. It's extremely rare that one can "pass."


Would it be something like this?

East Asians:



Amerindians:


AnybodyKiller
QUOTE (RafaelM @ Feb 1 2012, 03:07 PM) *
Would it be something like this?

East Asians:



Amerindians:



Strictly Y-DNA yeah. Not accounting for associated SNPs and MT-DNA.

Amerindians were Siberians who crossed the ice bridge thousands of years ago:


I actually found a study that goes into this in detail, I'll look for it later and post it here.

EDIT:
while looking for the study, I found another article supporting what RafaelM said that there could have been Austronesians in parts of America before anyone.
http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=41

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Some years ago archeologists found the remains of an ancient settlement in Chile. They were surprised to find that it was 12,500 years old. This is much more ancient than the Clovis People! Also, the skeletons found in this site resemble more the people of Polynesia than the inhabitants of Siberia.


Apparently this is pretty controversial though
moppom
Seeing as to how the polynesians occupied nearly every island in the pacific, its not a stretch to say they could have gone on to south america?


E.g the easter island, which now belongs to chile has natives who speak a malayo-polynesian language.


and easter island isnt that far off from mainland south america. specially when you consider at one point they all were from southeast asia.
nenabunena
QUOTE (RafaelM @ Feb 1 2012, 11:15 PM) *
There was a recent incident of a Mexican archeologist claiming that the ancient remains of woman found on the Mexican Caribbean Coast looked like an Indonesian.

Mexico: Ancient woman suggests diverse migration

I guess the Muslim Malay in Asia could start by creating ties with the Muslim Amerindians in Chiapas. Which, curiously enough, were converted by Muslim Spaniards in the 1990's - 2000's.

Mexico's Tzotzil Indians convert to Islam


Wasn't a native Indonesian pig of some sort found in Central or South America like Peru?
AnybodyKiller
QUOTE (nenabunena @ Feb 2 2012, 07:03 AM) *
Wasn't a native Indonesian pig of some sort found in Central or South America like Peru?


Yeah, and the remains of the woman found were older than 11,000 years. Which is the time the Amerindians were thought to have crossed over. One other interesting piece of info, that goes back to Southeast Asia being one of the major if not the most major birthplace of agriculture and civilization is that the pigs brought from Spain also are descended from the same Indonesian pigs.
RafaelM
QUOTE (nenabunena @ Feb 2 2012, 07:03 AM) *
Wasn't a native Indonesian pig of some sort found in Central or South America like Peru?


I never heard that one. Do you have a link to the article?
AnybodyKiller
QUOTE (RafaelM @ Feb 2 2012, 05:28 PM) *
I never heard that one. Do you have a link to the article?


Oops I misread what nenabunena typed, I meant chicken.

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A 2007 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of chicken bones at El Arenal near the Arauco Peninsula, Arauco Province, Chile suggested Oceania-to-America contact. Chickens originated in southern Asia and the Araucana breed of Chile was thought to have been brought by Spaniards around 1500. However, the bones found in Chile were radiocarbon-dated to between 1304 and 1424, well before the documented arrival of the Spanish. DNA sequences taken were exact matches to those of chickens from the same period in American Samoa and Tonga, both over 5000 miles (8000 kilometers) away from Chile. The genetic sequences were also similar to those found in Hawaiʻi and Easter Island, the closest island at only 2500 miles (4000 kilometers), and unlike any breed of European chicken.[4][5][6] Although this initial report suggested a Polynesian pre-Columbian origin a later report looking at the same specimens concluded:

A published, apparently pre-Columbian, Chilean specimen and six pre-European Polynesian specimens also cluster with the same European/Indian subcontinental/Southeast Asian sequences, providing no support for a Polynesian introduction of chickens to South America. In contrast, sequences from two archaeological sites on Easter Island group with an uncommon haplogroup from Indonesia, Japan, and China and may represent a genetic signature of an early Polynesian dispersal. Modeling of the potential marine carbon contribution to the Chilean archaeological specimen casts further doubt on claims for pre-Columbian chickens, and definitive proof will require further analyses of ancient DNA sequences and radiocarbon and stable isotope data from archaeological excavations within both Chile and Polynesia.[7]


It's pretty controversial I guess whether Austronesians were there before Amerindians though.
jonathanrhino
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Feb 3 2012, 12:58 AM) *
Oops I misread what nenabunena typed, I meant chicken.

It's pretty controversial I guess whether Austronesians were there before Amerindians though.


Let's change the name of the thread then... Are Native Americans related to Filipinos? Hmmm....
RafaelM
QUOTE (jonathanrhino @ Feb 3 2012, 06:59 AM) *
Let's change the name of the thread then... Are Native Americans related to Filipinos? Hmmm....


It doesn't look like there is any close genetic link between Filipinos and Amerindians, so far. Some Malaysians and Cambodians have C3, Some North Vietnamese have Q, but that's it. The possible link could have been the matrilineal Haplogroup B, but they recently found that some Siberian populations do belong to that Haplogroup.

Maybe there was some South East Asian populations that somehow reached the Americas but didn't pass their genes to the next generations, or maybe that's how the Paleo-Indians looked like.

And to think that I entered the thread because I wanted to know if any groups in Asia and the Americas actually look similar or it was just a selective comparision of some features, not to talk about genes.
nenabunena
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Feb 3 2012, 01:58 PM) *
Oops I misread what nenabunena typed, I meant chicken.



It's pretty controversial I guess whether Austronesians were there before Amerindians though.



You're right, it's chicken, I can never remember if it was chicken or pig, I don't know why, lol!
AsiaticGlory
Just come down here to Texas and you will see Indonesian looking faces among the Mexicans.

In any case, genetics don't always correlate with physical appearance. Negritos look like Africans but they are actually the most genetically distant from the African races. I also heard the Ainu looked more Caucasian but had more genetic similarities with Southeast Asians.
RafaelM
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Feb 3 2012, 12:05 PM) *
Just come down here to Texas and you will see Indonesian looking faces among the Mexicans.

In any case, genetics don't always correlate with physical appearance. Negritos look like Africans but they are actually the most genetically distant from the African races. I also heard the Ainu looked more Caucasian but had more genetic similarities with Southeast Asians.


Yeah, I do think that the Amerindians that may look like Asians look more like Indonesians instead of Filipinos. Even though both South East Asian groups would be really distant to the Amerindians, genetically speaking.
AnybodyKiller
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Feb 3 2012, 01:05 PM) *
Just come down here to Texas and you will see Indonesian looking faces among the Mexicans.

In any case, genetics don't always correlate with physical appearance. Negritos look like Africans but they are actually the most genetically distant from the African races. I also heard the Ainu looked more Caucasian but had more genetic similarities with Southeast Asians.


Yeah, maybe some Amerindian Tribes are descended from Austronesians, who knows? Would be cool to find that out though.

People thought both the Kalash tribe and the Ainu tribe were lost tribes of Caucasians but actually both look that way due to genetic drift and isolation. People thought Papuans were black too etc.

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Yeah, I do think that the Amerindians that may look like Asians look more like Indonesians instead of Filipinos. Even though both South East Asian groups would be really distant to the Amerindians, genetically speaking.


Filipino MT-DNA has been described as a continuum between Indonesia and Vietnam. I think the closer you get to Indonesia, the closer the people will look like the original "K" settlers from the 2nd wave.

In any case most of the Amerindian looking Mexicans I meet look "Siberian", I have met some that could pass for Indonesian or Filipino though.
AsiaticGlory
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Feb 3 2012, 12:50 PM) *
Yeah, maybe some Amerindian Tribes are descended from Austronesians, who knows? Would be cool to find that out though.

People thought both the Kalash tribe and the Ainu tribe were lost tribes of Caucasians but actually both look that way due to genetic drift and isolation. People thought Papuans were black too etc.


I'm not sure but I think the environment is what influences physical appearance.

- The Mongoloid look is adaptation to a very cold tundra climate.
- The Caucasian look is due to a cool climate that isn't as cold as that of tundra.
- The African look is from a warm tropical climate.

This is probably why some people say Bjork the singer from Iceland looks East Asian despite the fact she doesn't have Asian ancestors. It probably explains why Eskimos and North American Amerinds look East Asian despite being genetically different. The same goes for Negritos and Melanesians being compared to African Negroids.

Maybe it's why the Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon look like white people since they also lived in modern day Europe.
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That is what you call convergent evolution
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AnybodyKiller
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Feb 5 2012, 08:59 PM) *
I'm not sure but I think the environment is what influences physical appearance.

- The Mongoloid look is adaptation to a very cold tundra climate.
- The Caucasian look is due to a cool climate that isn't as cold as that of tundra.
- The African look is from a warm tropical climate.

This is probably why some people say Bjork the singer from Iceland looks East Asian despite the fact she doesn't have Asian ancestors. It probably explains why Eskimos and North American Amerinds look East Asian despite being genetically different. The same goes for Negritos and Melanesians being compared to African Negroids.

Maybe it's why the Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon look like white people since they also lived in modern day Europe.


Yeah definitely! A lot of "Nordic" types do look very East Asian. A lot of people don't realize that most Caucasians are very unspecialized cool-warm climate peoples.

Good point, the Eskimos and Amerindians do look very 'Mongoloid' and are descended from cold climates.

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Every time I see Ron Perlman (Kidding, Neanderthals were actually about .3 distance from modern humans basically 2-3 the distance between Asians and Europeans, still the same species unlike 'Harry').
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