The Chinese are coming, and you and I know it too, but is it too soon to declare war is over and it's soon is victory?

As far as the Chinese century is concerned, I personally believe that Korea will be one of China's truest and greatest allies.

A China-Korea dynamicism will be mutually benefitial, and promote mutual understanding between our two great civilizations.

Now that the US is literally teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, and is funding it's far flung fruitless battles with exaggerated dictatorship threats and 'islamic insurgents' using Chinese bankroll.

How can you seriously become and continue to be an Imperial power when you are heavily indebted to your primary geostrategic rival, the PRC?

When the Chinese restore pride to East Asians in general, I believe it is the KOREANS that will be first in line to reap the rewards of a Chinese century.

Here is to ten thousand years of Chinese-Korean friendship! Wan Sui, Wan Sui, Wan wan Sui!

Korea can benefit from China's dominance , well That's as long as Korea could offer things that China can't.
Nowawayd the Korean trading surplus from China is from the supply materials and parts to China's manufacturing sectors. So its in the end for the China's export and industry.

When China finds Korea has nothing to offer to them, I can imagine how China would look at Korea.

But mentoning that China will replace the US position , its too early and unrealistic IMO.
I personally believe EU is considered more equal rival to US once you know their economic infleunce and system that could support their independency. Forget about their financially hard issues , its just just for their currency value and their diet on the excessive welfare system and many more to extract their embedded problems.

You need to know the fact that China is one part of the US-led global economy that designed by US.
If you know China's dependency on US market and how much it occupies the share of their GDP and how US influences the price of the consumed food in Chinese domestic market. And there are many more.

US learned ,to maintain their power of the empire , they always need to emphasize the power of enemy or rival to alert its national people like they did to Germany ,Soviet and Japan ,otherwise they think they will colapse quickly like Rome did.

You know who actually funded the German weapon industry during the WWII and how high class nazis loved British Stering even during the midst of the war of their air bombing campaign on London.
When third reich fallen , most Germans wanted to surrender to US/Britain not French nor Russia.

This is what the manipulators who decide the main things of US major policy learned from Rome Empire and they always try to keep this in their mind.

So they always try to exaggerate the rival's power .
Even if China gone (though I believe China will be mentioned as true rival of US for long decade from now on as it could really offer many things that can match and benefit US ) , they try to look for other rival like India or Brazil whomever they find easy to portray as their threatening rivals.

P.S I am not anti-China.

It's a shame because this messy leftover from the Cold War is an exception to a largely positive historical relationship.

koreans, japanese, taiwanese, hong kongers, vietnamese all belong to the china world called the sinosphere. the sooner they make friends and reforge alliances, the better

And you are so delusional to think that Asian European Union will work. It will never work because of these reasons:

1) Asia's different political levels where democracy cannot mix and cannot work with totalitarinism. To have one government for one continent, you need a political consensus. Do you really think South Koreans would take orders from a Communist China with serious human rights issues?

2) Asia's different economic income levels that are so vastly different. Do you think opening the borders, will mean there will be no rush of humanity from poor parts of Asia into richer parts? Do you think richer Asians would like to see influx of poor Asians into their countries?

3) And because of the vast economic differences, the common currency will not work. It won't work because poorer Asian countries will need their currency value low so that they can export and grow. If they don't have that advantage anymore, then they're screwed. The EU's monetary and debt disaster has proven that common currency does not work. And even many in the EU want to scrap it. What makes you think the Asians will be able to succeed where Europeans (whose conditions were far more closer to each other than the situation in Asia), failed?

4) Historical differences and nationalism in Asia. Let's not go there again, but enough said.

5) Chinese supramist attitude and cultural chauvinism vis a vie rest of Asia. Chinese ideal of the Yellow Union is one Asian union under China as the leader, with the rest subservient partners beholden to China's wishes and rules set out by China - sort of like Korea paying off the gangster protection money, or paying modern day material tributes. Chinese still can't let go of the past, they want the return of the past in Asia. Korea on the other hand, have a different ideal - they want an equal partnership and cooperation from the Chinese based on mutual respect - something the Chinese are not interested because they still view Koreans as their slaves and servants.

Sorry, but that last point breaks the last straw. it will not work for S. Korea.

Some one's got delusions of gradeur.

You know where you can shove that sphere, right?

And that brings us back to point number 5 in my above post. The ideal of EU and other kinds of union is that every country in that union have mutual respect for each others countries.

But as if we will welcome China to boss us around, while we're bent over, and end up licking their boot. That's the ultimate fantasy of today's young Chinese nationalists overseas.

that kind of union will never work

well, so much so for the western imperialism u r always talking about.

I wouldn't say it will never happen but it's certainly not likely to happen for at least another century or so because people don't trust each other, almost at all
the communist China is playing with fire by manipulating nationalism in the country, it may consolidate it's regime in the short term, but cause troubles in the long term

That's what delusional Chinese imperialists think. I don't mind the particular countries you mentioned, but just take China(PRC) out of this "alliance".

Another delusional member of the communist dictator party.

China did not become as successful as she is as a land empire by alienating her neighbors and creating a counter-coalition in Asia.

I understand the prolific diplomatic prowess of the Chinese top leadership, and they know what is the best for our nation.

I have zero resentment against K nationalist on this board, because I know deep down in my heart, the rest of East Asia will fall into line in no time.

That, I am 100% sure of.

Keep on bashing China brothers. Your progeny will be preaching a different gospel soon enough.

unfortunately, you won't be alive to see it if it even does happen (which it wont).

dude.. what are u doing? lol.

Just replace "Japanese Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere Empire" with the "Asian Sinosphere Alliance" - and you got what it sounds like. China is like Japan of 1910 - 1930 with a military dictatorship building up its arms and might to be used to further their nationalistic dream of uniting Asia under their rule and/or influence. It's a wet dream for the Chinese overseas nationalists, but a nightmare for the rest of Asia which have to put up with a country of 1.5 billion masses of people who are now demanding China to be "respected".

Under China's power we've got North Korea. That is not what the people want. SK is far better off without China's control.

no....it's different. Chinese population is 2/3 of East Asian population. China was and will be a natural leader of the region with or without SK's aggreement.
And I doubt South Koreans understand China's strategy. China's ruling elites have no real intend to lure SK into China's camp because SK is not strategically important to China. (the GDP of Canton province alone will be bigger than SK by 2015. How important SK can be to China?) China's only strategic goal with regard to 2 Koreas is to keep them separated and stable. Turing SK into Chinese ally adds no benefit to China and could alert the US.
What's very clear is that China sees SE Asia as her most important partner and will be the base members of the East Asian Bloc. Therefore, China signed a FTA with ASEAN that's very favorable to SE Asian countries. The 2nd step was to sign a FTA with Taiwan, which was done a year ago. The only two that was left out of the block is SK and Japan. All you need to pay attention to now is to take peek at the geographic location of SK and Japan. You see who has been isolated by the block by now? LOL

You wonder why Japanese Hotoyama was so eager to mingle with China, which angered the USA? LOL
Under American pressure, the new Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan reversed the course.
But Japan sure understands the game and will eventually make another turn for her own interests.

It's not like Japan's East Asian Co-Sphere Prosperity.

It's more like Sun Yat Sen's Pan-Asianism. (Sun Yat Sen's speech in Kobe, Japan on "Pan Asianism")

Seriously, you dumbasses in this board try to so hard to troll, but honestly, don't compare China with imperialistic Japan.

It's like comparing black people to Jim Crow. Who the fu-k are you to say China is imperialistic like JAPAN, when Krakatohellas is preaching Sun Yat Sen's Pan Asianism, not Japanese imperialistic hegemony..

Stupid idiots. Patronize me. If you are going to troll, pls use intellect, not say rando stupid shizzle.

yep. i myself am faaaaaar from being offended by k-nationalistis. they actually amuse me. to even conceive the notion that they or anyone have the slightest chance to oppose china! even america is going to soon submit to china will LOL

America submit to China? You do realise it was the US who defeated Imperial Japan that was ravaging China? And that it was the US that helped China resist USSR? And that it was President Nixon who invited China into the international community and opened its markets for China to export to and grow? Hell, the evil US Government is STILL giving aid to China!

If you do not wish to be amused by nationalists here then you don't need to come here. I don't see any Koreans in Chinese forums.

^on the contrary i like to be amused every now and then. i was also talking in eocnomic terms. militarily, i admit, china is no rival. but what good is military? in fact a disproportionately strong military is a debillitating influence in state management. i can tell u america would have had far fewer probelms from middle-east if it didn't focus so much on military superiority, agressive invasions, world policing. military is the downfall of every great empire. it is the SINGLE most important reason why the roman republic fell and a decadent empire imposed. the reason why the spanish empire fell, nazi germany, showa japan, the ussr the list goes on. the only exception to this rule i can think of is the british empire which focused more on commerce and innovations. the reasons for their decline has to do with the exhaustive world wars, and its lack of resources. but britain is still a great power relative to its size and it still retains its old traditions and systems because it never gave in to military interests (except for a brief inter regnum duiring cromwell's rule).

so in short, economy/technology is the way to go. if u dominate this, then u dominate the world and no one can do $hit to u. forget military. we're in 21st century already.

You should know that China's reputation is tainted by its imperialistic occupation of the so-called "autonomous regions" like Tibet and East Turkestan, and no matter what you preach, you can't change the minds of people who don't share your obsession of Sinocentric Pan-Asianism. Especially when China's flinging $hit towards its East Asian neighbors like Japan did in the early 20th century.

Santa xiansheng, you callously act as if the American Empire and the European Conquistadors' history of "imperialistic occupation" are pale in comparison (or is even a comparison) to Xizang and Xinjiang. If I humbly recall correctly, it was only because of the occidental's conquest of 70% of the world's area that was the leading catalyst to the Wa's expansionist policy of the early 20th century. I don't know for sure whether Chinese reputation was tainted by the marred memory of imperialism as you suggested, but the Caucasian's reputation for subjugation does precedes it.

Imperial Japan colonised Korea and invaded China to protect its Asian brothers from the Western imperialism. Does that make it any less worse?

Yes the West were evil but what matters to people now is India is no longer British and Philippines no longer American whilst Tibet and East Turkestan are still Chinese.

The British no longer rule over India, Americans no longer rule over the Philippines, Germans no longer rule over France, Japanese no longer rule over Korea, and yet we still see China ruling over Tibet and East Turkestan. It's not just the history that taints China's reputation - it's what China is today, an imperialistic power ruling over other conquered nations with the level of political oppression that's comparable to that of the empires of the past.

and u don't mention the fact that america, canada and australia still occupy over native aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

Then again, much of China Proper also occupies native aboriginal territories.

ur sense of humor amuses me

And you don't mention the fact that Britain, France and Italy do not occupy over any aboriginal territories. lol freakin epic fail.

Koreans have so much opinions.

But do they actually matter? lol.

It doesn't take a genius of IQ 140 to tell you that Korean opinion, will, or desire didn't matter in 1905 Eulsa/Gando, 1910 Annexation treaty, 1945 Permanent Trusteeship, 1950 Korean War, or 2010 Sinking/Bombing of South Korea innocent men, women, and children.

How you can pull the Tibetan card in order to make Chinese overseas nationalists feel 'guilty' and thus more willing to permit Korean reunification on democratic utopian rhetoric terms... seems so desperate of you guys. :0)

lolumadbro?

Italy occupy Sicily, Sardinian, and Padania land.
Spain occupy Basque, Catalan land
Britain, occupy Ireland, Cornish, Manx land
France occupy Basque, Corsican, Breton, Catalan land

Not to mention Japan still occupies Okinawa/Ryukyu and Hokkaido/Ezochi, UK still occupies Falklands, etc., BUT the only evil guys on earth are Chinese, even though Tibet was a part of China as early as the Yuan Dynasty, i.e., before America in its current form existed. That's Korean Nationalists for you, and they keep blaming Chinese for NOT liking them.

You are only saying this because Korea is weak and divided.

You don't hear the Japanese say these things because they don't have any interests infringed upon by the Chinese juggernaut.

Resorting to the Tibetan card only furthers Chinese opinion of Korean nationalists are defender of a weak, desperate, hopeless Korean peninsula.

We Chinese, despite hearing the Tibet card from Korean Nationalists, feel that Korean reunification cannot happen without Chinese support, so KEEP FLAMING. :-) You will grovel on your knees and kiss the proud feet of the Chinese in due time. In due time.

man, this whole thread is just about intentional country flaming. i can easily see why koreans would be offended. what is the point of all this?

"Its not what you say but how you say it."

DewDrop is NOT Chinese - he's reincarnated troll "tianjin".

You live in New Zealand don't you?

LOL. did you hear that dewdrop? you got disowned.

Typical jjangkae wetdream.

Japan in fact did colonized China too, or partial colonized areas around Shanghai, Beijing, and Hong Kong. Japan even built railroad system linking with Korea to occupied areas of China.

1905 Eulsa treaty was proposed by pro-Japanese politicans which was illegal.
1910 Annexation is same as well and abdicated the emperor and royal family, also illegal.
1950 Korean war was started by North Korea.
2010 sinking of South Korean ship has what to do with US?!??!

China has nothing to do with North Korea, only that she aides the North Koreans. China has no political play in North Korea. Please, face the facts, boy. China should remember that she was occupied by foreign peoples like Manchus and Khitans in ancient times, nearly divded during European powers during 1800s, occupied and invaded by Imperial Japan, and now Chinese markets needs US to buy all their cheap-@$$ products to make them "big".

The main difference is that Japan nor UK have to massacre civilians or impose martial law because of popular revolts in recent decades. Many countries have expanded beyond their traditional borders with varying degrees of historical depth, but rarley have they ocurred after the bloody lesson of the World War II, after which China invaded various countries in the name of communism and restoring a fallen empire. The natives of the lands still resent Chinese rule to this day, which China responds with sheer imperialism of crushing the collective self-determination of these peoples. Surely there are less severe cases in other parts of the world, such as the Basques and Irish, but the degree of imperialistic political oppression used to control those territories pale in comparison to China. More importantly,from the Korean perspective, Chinese imperialism is much more real and threatening because contextually Korea is a part of China's ideological framework for its imperialism, and Chinese occupation of Tibet is very similar to the Japanese occupation of Korea. A very good example is your very own post, where you argue that Chinese occupation of Tibet is justified because it was a part of the Mongol Empire. But the very same justification can be used to argue that China can legitemately conquer Korea and oppress us under impeperialistic rule because Korea was a part of the Mongol Empire too. When I see the Tibetan government in exile, it reminds me ogf the Korean government in exile during Japanese occupation.

And I surely don't give a fu-k if the Chinese hate us or not. I've made my position clear multiple times that mutual sentiments between Korea and Xhina will continually worsen with increasing interaction because the very conception of "Korea" and "China" are fundamentally incompatible and conflicting. Just don't go around with this Sinocentric Pan-Asianist crap because what we need is an Asian coalition without China, not with it.

China has hardly been expansionist or imperialistic in the last 100 years.

You can argue that Tibetans don't want to be under China's rule, just like Chinese didn't want to be under Manchu-led Qing dynasty rule.

At the end of the day, Might makes Right.

Just because Koreans aren't mighty to re-write history doesn't mean they have the right to deplore those who do.

It's so masochistic of Korean Nationalists to make a fool out of themselves to prove a mute and obvious point.

100 years ago there was no PRC, get real troll.

I said China fool, not PRC.

:double face palm:

*cough* democracy *cough*
Oh sorry, you guys are Chinese, you don't know what democracy is! It's a system of government where people can get their voices heard and their will carried out. Ever heard of independence referendums? Look it up sometime.

^
LOL, wtf Im not Chinese.

*cough*orgkrbangsat*cough*najiskr*cough*


Those land I mentioned all have independence movement, and they're active.

*cough*ignorance*cough*

Yes, and those indepence movements don't get anywhere because independents get voted out by those who want to be part of the current country. Looks like you still don't understand what democracy means, despite not being Chinese.

They got voted out because the occupier outnumbered the original owners.

Invaders are invaders alright, theres no grey section of it.

ie Chinese human wave attacks (sorry immigration) in Tibet and East Turkestan. Looks like China is just a Western imperial power after all.