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MiCC
White-Anglo GE designed the unsafe nuclear power plant, and TEPCO only manages the nuclear power plant.
White nationalists(http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t791792/ http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t786140/) are blaming Japanese failing to contain the radiation/melt down even though its a failed design in the beginning. Should we Asians stand up and held GE responsible for this since they are the one that designed the whole nuclear power plant? White people always trying to pass the blame on someone else other than their own race and its fu-king pathetic. madgo.gif
kaizen
QUOTE (MiCC @ Apr 4 2011, 05:41 PM) *
White-Anglo GE designed the unsafe nuclear power plant, and TEPCO only manages the nuclear power plant.
White nationalists(http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t791792/ http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t786140/) are blaming Japanese failing to contain the radiation/melt down even though its a failed design in the beginning. Should we Asians stand up and held GE responsible for this since they are the one that designed the whole nuclear power plant? White people always trying to pass the blame on someone else other than their own race and its fu-king pathetic. madgo.gif

GE is only responsible for two nuclear reactors. The power plant itself is built by japan....
Mid-Night_Sun
i heard they are dumping the radioactive water used to cool the rods into the ocean now.

is it offensive if i thought.....



...godzilla?
KraterosHellas
well japan, now u see who ur real enemy is beerchug.gif
Cha
GE built those during the 60s. Technology wasn't as advanced back then.
And it was originally planned to have it closed down once it expires, but the Japanese government delayed the expiration not long before the tsunami. So Japan was taking a risk even when the tsunami isn't counted.
chiuchimu
No one is to blame. A nuclear reactor is inherently not safe that's why they need secondary systems and backup systems and backup the backup systems. Even the spent rods need some kind of permanent supervised containment.

Most places in the world can do without Nuclear. Alternatives are: Hydro-electric, Clean coal, wind-solar even tidal. All they have to do is really conserve on unnecessary energy use. This includes Japan.

Mickey mousing a bomb to try to keep it from exploding just to heat steam and run it thru a turbine to generate electricity. Yes, such stupidity will eventually raise Godzilla from the depths.
KraterosHellas
^godzillas can crawl out of the volcanoes too, so u need to keep a sharp eye out. u hear what classicalmusic is saying? haarp is going to explode fuji
Taln
QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ Apr 5 2011, 08:33 AM) *
^godzillas can crawl out of the volcanoes too, so u need to keep a sharp eye out. u hear what classicalmusic is saying? haarp is going to explode fuji


LOL!!! Yeah, but since Gamera feeds on raditation bursts, you'd think classicalmusic would have a reported sighting by now.
Cha
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Apr 5 2011, 02:28 PM) *
A nuclear reactor is inherently not safe that's why they need secondary systems and backup systems and backup the backup systems. Even the spent rods need some kind of permanent supervised containment.

Most places in the world can do without Nuclear. Alternatives are: Hydro-electric, Clean coal, wind-solar even tidal. All they have to do is really conserve on unnecessary energy use. This includes Japan.

Mickey mousing a bomb to try to keep it from exploding just to heat steam and run it thru a turbine to generate electricity. Yes, such stupidity will eventually raise Godzilla from the depths.

I agree.
Another thing I worry about nuclear reactors is that their nuclear waste stay radio active for a long long time. Many facilities have run out of space to store these harmful materials. It doesn't get out in the news much, but I remember when certain countries were looking for other countries that would accept their nuclear wastes. People protested against this.
melroseplace
Generally it's the market economy to blame (with exception of iran and japan whose military is to be blamed for their nuclear weapons ambitions)

What I mean is, people build nuclear power plants because it is the cheapest, which means highest margins for corporations. The japan m9 quake is a once in 1000 year event, no business people will take this kind of risk into account, even if shxt happens, TEPCO just gets bailed out by the government and TEPCO's investors have limit liability (the president of TEPCO 40 yr ago probably got his pension already, why shd he care?) , so the market is driving nuclear power plants every where in the world.

Politicians can not say no to the corporations (TEPCO in our case), because the corporations (and their technology providers in the U.S) will bribe the government, and every now and then blackmail certain politicians e.g revealing their sexual misconducts etc , you name it, in order to get permits from the government.
samnang
i still like nuclear power. it just has to be done right.
chiuchimu
^ I don't think they'll ever be able to do it right.

A nuclear reactor is basically a nuclear bomb that they try to control from blowing-up!
Cha
Also, we have to watch out for the nuclear wastes that pile up because the radiation of those last a long long time. Countries have been searching for extra space far away from people to store more of these wastes.
samnang
yeah, nuclear power carries some bad risks. but if all goes well, it's a clean source of energy that won't fu-k our planet.

fossils fuels on the otherhand carry certain death. its continued use will kill us. for sure. probability of 1.
melroseplace
There were never any doubt that nuclear power is dangerous, but the world is driven by profits
soltung
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Apr 5 2011, 01:28 AM) *
No one is to blame. A nuclear reactor is inherently not safe that's why they need secondary systems and backup systems and backup the backup systems. Even the spent rods need some kind of permanent supervised containment.

Most places in the world can do without Nuclear. Alternatives are: Hydro-electric, Clean coal, wind-solar even tidal. All they have to do is really conserve on unnecessary energy use. This includes Japan.

Mickey mousing a bomb to try to keep it from exploding just to heat steam and run it thru a turbine to generate electricity. Yes, such stupidity will eventually raise Godzilla from the depths.



disagree, the "clean energy" alternatives cannot really make up for loss of nuclear and fossil fuels... yes, nuclear is dangerous, but newer reactor designs are much safer than fukushima and would be able to cool even with loss of external power, according to an engineering professor i know, they are 50-100 times safer than fukushima...
population1
space travel soon to follow? wouldn't be a bad backup plan, whether used for colonization or shuttling contaminants out to space.

should anyone is to be blamed, yea, it would be the designer and or founder.
charizardpal
@OP
This girl is to blame:
KraterosHellas
QUOTE (charizardpal @ Apr 28 2011, 07:09 PM) *
@OP
This girl is to blame:

good advice! beerchug.gif
chiuchimu
QUOTE (charizardpal @ Apr 28 2011, 08:09 PM) *
@OP
This girl is to blame:

embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
planxty
QUOTE (MiCC @ Apr 4 2011, 11:41 PM) *
...White people always trying to pass the blame on someone else other than their own race and its fu-king pathetic. madgo.gif

And yet you start a thread trying to blame white people for the Japanese Fukishima nuclear disaster? confused.gif 'Pot', 'kettle' and 'black' springs to mind lol


QUOTE (melroseplace @ Apr 26 2011, 04:26 PM) *
What I mean is, people build nuclear power plants because it is the cheapest, which means highest margins for corporations. ..

When you take into account the cost of building the stations, decommissioning them and storing the nuclear waste, I'm not sure that is correct.
A few years ago the UK government tried to privatise British Nuclear Fuels. The only way they could do this was to write-off the decommissioning costs and have the Government ie taxpayer pick up the costs.
melroseplace
QUOTE (planxty @ Apr 30 2011, 01:40 PM) *
When you take into account the cost of building the stations, decommissioning them and storing the nuclear waste, I'm not sure that is correct.
A few years ago the UK government tried to privatise British Nuclear Fuels. The only way they could do this was to write-off the decommissioning costs and have the Government ie taxpayer pick up the costs.


Well they had fukushima running for 4 decades, squeezing every last buck out of it

It's scary to see that even the smarter and more educated citizens thinks the choice of enerny is decided by environmental experts rather than businessmen, as if the governement was able to keep all of you in primary school kid's vision of the world

martin_nuke
This guy is to blame.

chiuchimu
^ Hahaha embarassedlaugh.gif
ReindeerGirl
QUOTE (MiCC @ Apr 4 2011, 05:41 PM) *
White-Anglo GE designed the unsafe nuclear power plant, and TEPCO only manages the nuclear power plant.
White nationalists(http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t791792/ http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t786140/) are blaming Japanese failing to contain the radiation/melt down even though its a failed design in the beginning. Should we Asians stand up and held GE responsible for this since they are the one that designed the whole nuclear power plant? White people always trying to pass the blame on someone else other than their own race and its fu-king pathetic. madgo.gif


I could be taking a shot in the dark here but I would blame the giant tsunami. You know, the one after the most powerful earthquake ever recorded in Japan and fifth most powerful in the world for the past hundred years. I'm sure the Japanese took every possible precaution more than most other countries would do.Stormfront is a typical extremist forum warped on objective perspective. It's usually a waste to interact with such people for long periods of time, similar to spending too much time talking to people in insane asylums. Better to not care about their opinion too much.
Captain Corea
QUOTE (MiCC @ Apr 5 2011, 06:41 AM) *
White-Anglo GE designed the unsafe nuclear power plant, and TEPCO only manages the nuclear power plant.
White nationalists(http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t791792/ http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t786140/) are blaming Japanese failing to contain the radiation/melt down even though its a failed design in the beginning. Should we Asians stand up and held GE responsible for this since they are the one that designed the whole nuclear power plant? White people always trying to pass the blame on someone else other than their own race and its fu-king pathetic. madgo.gif



You've seem to have already made up your (racist) mind. Why bother asking here?
elleX0
We should be objective about this and discuss whether Asia wants to rely on Atomic energy for their power source with all its accompanying risks.
Suijen
QUOTE (elleX0 @ May 21 2011, 09:21 PM) *
We should be objective about this and discuss whether Asia wants to rely on Atomic energy for their power source with all its accompanying risks.


Here's the dilemma then isn't it? Coal is plentiful but dirty. Water is destructive to the environment (Three Gorges). Wind is unreliable. Solar is expensive. Nuclear is clean but risky. Japan went for nuclear, but it's not like they had a lot of options.


chiuchimu
QUOTE (Suijen @ May 21 2011, 10:28 AM) *
Here's the dilemma then isn't it? Coal is plentiful but dirty. Water is destructive to the environment (Three Gorges). Wind is unreliable. Solar is expensive. Nuclear is clean but risky. Japan went for nuclear, but it's not like they had a lot of options.


Another co-option is conservation. People are using way more power than they need. If we cut back on power and waste, the other power options become do-able.


A few examples of waste I've seen:
1). People in L.A. blasting the Air-conditioner to 70F while wearing a jacket.
2). People firing up the heater in Colorado to 90F and wearing shorts and tank-top.
3). People continuously running the water while washing dishes.
4). People continuously running the water while brushing their teeth.
....

I'd say we can get by on 1/3 the current energy used if we try.
Cha
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110530/bs_af...politicsnuclear
QUOTE
Germany to close all nuclear plants by 2022

BERLIN (AFP) – Germany on Monday became the first major industrialised power to agree an end to nuclear power in the wake of the disaster in Japan, with a phase-out due to be completed by 2022.

Chancellor Angela Merkel said the decision, hammered out by her centre-right coalition overnight, marked the start of a "fundamental" rethink of energy policy in the world's number four economy.

"We want the electricity of the future to be safer and at the same time reliable and affordable," Merkel told reporters as she accepted the findings of an expert commission on nuclear power she appointed in March in response to the crisis at Japan's Fukushima plant.

"That means we must have a new approach to the supply network, energy efficiency, renewable energy and also long-term monitoring of the process," she said.

The commission found that it would be viable within a decade for Germany to mothball all 17 of its nuclear reactors, eight of which are currently off the electricity grid............
elleX0
QUOTE (Cha @ May 30 2011, 12:09 PM) *

THE WISEST MOVE YET FOR A EUROPEAN NATION.
chiuchimu
^ Japan should follow German example and get shut down all there nuclear plants.
JakeCutter
^ Oh, the many ways that sentence could be interpreted...
InitialDJay
is there any news regarding japanese govt deciding to test use a family of microbe bacteria known as extremophiles to clean up contaminated uranium site? these types of microbe (geobacter sulfurreducens and metallireducen) are known to consume uranium/plutonium radioactive material up to 80%. though, if they haven't try it.. i guess the environmental consequence is still problematic?

what is the Japanese govt going to do with the contaminated site? any plan??
planxty
QUOTE (Cha @ May 30 2011, 01:09 PM) *
Germany to close all nuclear plants by 2022
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110530/bs_af...politicsnuclear

I fear that by 2022 the furore over the Fukishima nuclear accident will be largely forgotten in the public consciousness as will that German promise to close all nuclear power plants there.
Hope not though.
InitialDJay
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ May 22 2011, 01:35 AM) *
Another co-option is conservation. People are using way more power than they need. If we cut back on power and waste, the other power options become do-able.


A few examples of waste I've seen:
1). People in L.A. blasting the Air-conditioner to 70F while wearing a jacket.
2). People firing up the heater in Colorado to 90F and wearing shorts and tank-top.
3). People continuously running the water while washing dishes.
4). People continuously running the water while brushing their teeth.
....

I'd say we can get by on 1/3 the current energy used if we try.

lol. would you participate in energy-saving plan?

anyway, japan is a hot spot on earth but the danger of nuclear plant is exaggerating. if japan isn't too cheap, pride-striven, and miscalculated, these nuclear disasters wouldn't have happened. it's unfortunate but i hope japan don't use those left-over plutonium fuel to turn into nuclear weapon in case they're really following germany plan to shut down all nuclear plants.
chiuchimu
QUOTE (InitialDJay @ Jun 2 2011, 11:13 PM) *
lol. would you participate in energy-saving plan?

Out here in California, we already do. You can't wash your car at home or you get a ticket. you cant water your garden at certain times of the day or you get a ticket. Trash is separated into three trash cans. If you go over your allotted energy amount you get billed at double rate.


QUOTE (InitialDJay @ Jun 2 2011, 11:13 PM) *
anyway, japan is a hot spot on earth but the danger of nuclear plant is exaggerating. if japan isn't too cheap, pride-striven, and miscalculated, these nuclear disasters wouldn't have happened. it's unfortunate but i hope japan don't use those left-over plutonium fuel to turn into nuclear weapon in case they're really following germany plan to shut down all nuclear plants.

I disagree. Nuclear reactors are too dangerous and complex to think 'government' can manage them safely.
InitialDJay
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Jun 4 2011, 01:43 AM) *
Out here in California, we already do. You can't wash your car at home or you get a ticket. you cant water your garden at certain times of the day or you get a ticket. Trash is separated into three trash cans. If you go over your allotted energy amount you get billed at double rate.

maybe in your local area cuz never heard of this. i saw people wash their cars all the times in my neighborhood. lol i heard california is creating green energy plan and cutting off energy supply to prevent black out which happened a lot during govt grey davis.. but you know, it doesn't work.. people are selfish.


QUOTE
I disagree. Nuclear reactors are too dangerous and complex to think 'government' can manage them safely.

it's dangerous if the reactor is not up to standard and update with new generation of tech.
planxty
SOS from Fukushima video.
http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/...ish_translation
elleX0
Nuclear energy enthusiasts are ton blame for all Nuclear deaths. They have not found a slolution for the safe handling and disposal of Nuclear wastes and by-products and they want to go ahead to produce more. Suicidal.
CheolSu
Are they still just hosing down those plants and letting radioactivity spew into the ocean? They should bury all the reactors under tons of concrete like the Russians did at Chernobyl.
planxty
They most probably don't have a clue what to do and are just making it up as they go along since nothing on this scale has happened before.
planxty
“Highest radiation level since the start of the nuclear crisis”: 10 sieverts per hour measured outside between Reactors No. 1 and 2" (01/08/11)

http://enenews.com/highest-radiation-level...tors-no-1-and-2
CheolSu
It baffles me that Japan's leaders allow the sacred soil of Japan to be poisoned in this way.
IMCrAZy
no one is to blame, it was just an accident
KraterosHellas
QUOTE (planxty @ Jul 26 2011, 01:30 PM) *
They most probably don't have a clue what to do and are just making it up as they go along since nothing on this scale has happened before.


incompetence at its finest
YoungGun
You can blame the Anglos, the whites or the Yanks blah blah blah for not having the solution. See, Japan would have done a wonderful job if someone else already went thru a tsunami or flood detroying all the backup systems and Japan could copy them. Japan is the best in the world! But since there was no one to copy from, they were left to their own devices and had the foggiest idea what to do. That explains all the delay. In desperation their true colors showed, for ex selling radioactive beef. We did not witness this kind of thing in Russia or US in their nuke disasters. The Japanese. government warned these farmers and they still went ahead. How backward can you get? Whatever happened to the ships Tokyo send to collect the radioactive water? Did they dump the poison in the ocean? Japan has no one but themselves to blame.
Imtherealsugarbaby
japan is being punished for their immoral ways
Yerroperil
you sound like Shintaro Ishihara...
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