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kimberly
After listening through many date stories from my girlfriends and my own experience, I decided to put together these tips for guys.

First Date
1) If you think the girl is out of your league, the chances are she is. And if she agreed to go out on a date with you, that is your only chance to impress her.

2) Never ever let her pay ANYTHING. showing a gesture that she will pay the half is being nice. If she pay for anything, you just kissed your next date with her good-bye.

3) We all know that economy is a slumb and everyone is not doing so great. But don't be a cheap @$$. P.S. Don't say something like "Those are expensive" regarding to the menu.

4) Clean up your car. She spent two to three hours to look pretty. Last thing in the world she wants is to sit in a dirty car with your sweaty gym clothes, and rotten french fries

5) We appreciate that you tried to dress nice for the evening. But please don't over do it. $400 leather jackets are nice. But they can be catostrophic if we are having hard time finding you in it.

6) At the end of the date, if you don't know "what she does, if she has any siblings, or how she spends her weekends, and what month she was born", you talked way too much or....... there were way too many awkward silences.

7) We girls all love to talk about shoes, and we know it. But unless otherwise the girl is super duper girlie girl, none of us wants to talk about expensive shoes on our first date. If she starts to talk about shoes, that means she is super duper bored. It is also another way of saying she can afford expensive stuff without anyone's help, which means she thinks you are cheap.

8) Btw, we are human beings too. We love to interact with other people. So just relax and be yourself. Couple of jokes here and there totally boosts the chemistry

About being a woman

9) We are all self-counsious and we are needy. If we say that we are fat, we want you to tell us "why you like us the way we are". Please, don't tell her to workout harder or eat less.

10) when we say we are sick, we don't want your "ooh, I hope you feel better soon" We hear that all the time from our girlfriends. Just knock on the door with hot soup and vitamin-C rich fruits, and show that you care.

11) Even if you are not official, please have just a chocolate bar for her on Valentine's day or on her birthday.

12) After long day at work, she wants to cuddle with you. Please put away the XBox

13) I know we can be stupid sometimes. But a lot of times, we just want to be silly around you.

14) If she txted you 3-times in 2 days of period, and didn't get any reply back from you, she is good as gone

15) If you two got into an argument, and you haven't heard from her for a week, You are a newly single

Other stuff

16) Complaining is for woman. Man up!!

17) Lets face it. There are very few days where people have good day at work. Unless otherwise it is one of those days, don't complain or explain what happened at work one by one. We don't care even if we ask "How was your work?" Only thing you have to say is "It was alright"

18) Talking is for woman. She is the one who should be talking at least 50% of the coversation.

20) If we didn't spend your money on shopping, don't complain about how much money we have spent, or how expensive stuff we bought. This country is consumer oriented.

21) Most of us doesn't have a slightest clue about mechanics. But that doesn't mean we are stupid
mastaping
QUOTE (kimberly @ Apr 7 2011, 01:40 PM) *
12) After long day at work, she wants to cuddle with you. Please put away the XBox

There's nothing wrong with letting him play a little Xbox, he needs time for himself too^^ Maybe you (the girl) can join in on the game, quality bonding time right there.




16) Complaining is for woman. Man up!!

People complain when there is something wrong, or they are unhappy about something.... If its coming from the one you care about or are just into then you (the female) should be there to comfort or help with a solution...

17) Lets face it. There are very few days where people have good day at work. Unless otherwise it is one of those days, don't complain or explain what happened at work one by one. We don't care even if we ask "How was your work?" Only thing you have to say is "It was alright"

I disagree, if your man needs to vent, be happy that it is you he is venting to, feel honored. He will feel much better after venting out a bad day to someone who truly cares and listens...


20) If we didn't spend your money on shopping, don't complain about how much money we have spent, or how expensive stuff we bought. This country is consumer oriented.

This depends on the situation... my ex used to tell me to not spend so much money because he was concerned about me and my expenses, because he cared. So i think it is safe if a man suggest to a woman he cares about not too spend too much..

21) Most of us doesn't have a slightest clue about mechanics. But that doesn't mean we are stupid
I totally agree, but i dont think guys think a woman is stupid for not knowing about cars, i think its more there are some basics we all need to know about the vehicles we drive on a daily basis for our own safety you know be a self reliant.

population1
and this applies to men of all races? or for the western-ized men? seems more appropriate standards for the western-ized men. most Asian men keep their cars clean, inside in out. most Asian girls don't have those types of issues (self-esteem, obsessive-compulsiveness, double standards, double meanings/innuendos, and what have they) it has to do more with culture and lifestyle where platonic relationships or deep down to Earth type relationships seems to predominate in Asian couples before all materialistic, narcissistic, egoistic, ever comes into play.

this is old news. everyone has seen lists of these wants or needs from women before in dating tips for guys. many, if not all guys, don't need to get reminded of this load of ludicrousness. more than half of those those things listed are not humanly possible. many guys have a different view of dating, we are not your husbands yet and we are not your psychiatrist. as if many of us guys are born with a loaded bank account? and until many of us can flush away money, like on shoes, so readily, we can bet our dough on a night with women like this however we choose.
population1




other questions come to mind: are there ways to set women at a reasonably fixed rate/price? it's almost always a no. they are not objects or mere subjects. they are human beings with feelings. so, women who still think like this are only setting limits onto themselves. happy shopping.
KojTusMeHavnim
Nice list beerchug.gif .. I'm sure you put a lot of time into it, so I appreciate it but I disagree with some..
I'll highlight the ones I strongly agree with and the ones I just don't agree with.


AGREE

2) Never ever let her pay ANYTHING. showing a gesture that she will pay the half is being nice. If she pay for anything, you just kissed your next date with her good-bye.

3) We all know that economy is a slumb and everyone is not doing so great. But don't be a cheap @$$. P.S. Don't say something like "Those are expensive" regarding to the menu.

But don't worry, I'm considerate.. I won't get anything expensive and I'll make sure my meal is about the same price as his or lower.

5) We appreciate that you tried to dress nice for the evening. But please don't over do it. $400 leather jackets are nice. But they can be catostrophic if we are having hard time finding you in it.
Agree with the first sentence. I like to dress up and look pretty, especially if it's for something special icon_smile.gif. It's disappointing when you look great but your partner doesn't : (.

8) Btw, we are human beings too. We love to interact with other people. So just relax and be yourself. Couple of jokes here and there totally boosts the chemistry

10) when we say we are sick, we don't want your "ooh, I hope you feel better soon" We hear that all the time from our girlfriends. Just knock on the door with hot soup and vitamin-C rich fruits, and show that you care.


21) Most of us doesn't have a slightest clue about mechanics. But that doesn't mean we are stupid
Yeap.. I hate it when guys think like this.




DISAGREE

16) Complaining is for woman. Man up!!

17) Lets face it. There are very few days where people have good day at work. Unless otherwise it is one of those days, don't complain or explain what happened at work one by one. We don't care even if we ask "How was your work?" Only thing you have to say is "It was alright"

Actually, I want to know. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother to ask. I want to know!!

18) Talking is for woman. She is the one who should be talking at least 50% of the coversation.

I talk less than the average woman. I use my ears two times more.


I don't know for sure if what I know is true, but if what I think I know why women get paid less, I have nothing to complain. It's pretty reasonable.. but then again, I don't know a whole lot about this issue.
population1
which is why there are two conjunct analogies men associate women to: 1) a "baseball game" and 2) the "wall-street"

when we talk about league and getting to the bases or hitting a home run. when we score!!! it's all about the game baby. we are all players.

when we talk about trade value. investment. returns/gains or losses, asset or liability, with the use of our money, it's all about how we are to spend our money. it could be risky, there are bets too. but, what we really want is to buy, sell, and trade at a reasonable fixed rate/price -- with the economy as it is though, we will have to go accordingly. not to mention the maintenance fees in upkeeping and work orders and whatnot. and, we avoid those legal processing fees and charges as much as we possibly and humanly can.

all in all, for both business and pleasure...
FutureMan
QUOTE (kimberly @ Apr 7 2011, 02:40 PM) *
After listening through many date stories from my girlfriends and my own experience, I decided to put together these tips for guys.

First Date
1) If you think the girl is out of your league, the chances are she is. And if she agreed to go out on a date with you, that is your only chance to impress her.

2) Never ever let her pay ANYTHING. showing a gesture that she will pay the half is being nice. If she pay for anything, you just kissed your next date with her good-bye.

3) We all know that economy is a slumb and everyone is not doing so great. But don't be a cheap @$$. P.S. Don't say something like "Those are expensive" regarding to the menu.

4) Clean up your car. She spent two to three hours to look pretty. Last thing in the world she wants is to sit in a dirty car with your sweaty gym clothes, and rotten french fries

5) We appreciate that you tried to dress nice for the evening. But please don't over do it. $400 leather jackets are nice. But they can be catostrophic if we are having hard time finding you in it.

6) At the end of the date, if you don't know "what she does, if she has any siblings, or how she spends her weekends, and what month she was born", you talked way too much or....... there were way too many awkward silences.

7) We girls all love to talk about shoes, and we know it. But unless otherwise the girl is super duper girlie girl, none of us wants to talk about expensive shoes on our first date. If she starts to talk about shoes, that means she is super duper bored. It is also another way of saying she can afford expensive stuff without anyone's help, which means she thinks you are cheap.

8) Btw, we are human beings too. We love to interact with other people. So just relax and be yourself. Couple of jokes here and there totally boosts the chemistry

About being a woman

9) We are all self-counsious and we are needy. If we say that we are fat, we want you to tell us "why you like us the way we are". Please, don't tell her to workout harder or eat less.

10) when we say we are sick, we don't want your "ooh, I hope you feel better soon" We hear that all the time from our girlfriends. Just knock on the door with hot soup and vitamin-C rich fruits, and show that you care.

11) Even if you are not official, please have just a chocolate bar for her on Valentine's day or on her birthday.

12) After long day at work, she wants to cuddle with you. Please put away the XBox

13) I know we can be stupid sometimes. But a lot of times, we just want to be silly around you.

14) If she txted you 3-times in 2 days of period, and didn't get any reply back from you, she is good as gone

15) If you two got into an argument, and you haven't heard from her for a week, You are a newly single

Other stuff

16) Complaining is for woman. Man up!!

17) Lets face it . There are very few days where people have good day at work. Unless otherwise it is one of those days, don't complain or explain what happened at work one by one. We don't care even if we ask "How was your work?" Only thing you have to say is "It was alright"

18) Talking is for woman. She is the one who should be talking at least 50% of the coversation.

20) If we didn't spend your money on shopping, don't complain about how much money we have spent, or how expensive stuff we bought. This country is consumer oriented.

21) Most of us doesn't have a slightest clue about mechanics. But that doesn't mean we are stupid

What about the advice for the nookie and the nightcap! embarassedlaugh.gif If you know what I mean
I think most females would not mind the moderate mall type restaurants for the guys to pay as opposed to the fancy expensive ones you seem to be expecting. I 'd pay for the all you can eat Chinese buffet restaurant to get more bang for the money these days. Then take her to some recreation or movie theatre to cuddle up and get romantic. Even most long term couples these days need to save money so they watch a movie together at home to get even more intimate. Kimberly I think you also missed the physical and conversational attraction a boyfriend/girlfriend may feel for one another to hook up. beerchug.gif
JakeCutter
Thanks for the insight. I don't appreciate the condescending stereotypes, though.
Algaion1
I diagree, if we're working the same job, unless she's paying for the next date i will not fork out £100 pound to go out for a meal i'd happily eat at home.. If we are talking about Western women and men then women earn just as much in most cases. I know that's not always the case but from what i've seen it is. Therefore why does the man have to pay for it all, back when women earnt penies compared to men i think that's more understandable.

Not knowing how it works in the east. I couldn't say, but in my opinion if you have money to waste do it. But i don't so when i go on a date we share.
kimberly
QUOTE (Algaion1 @ Apr 7 2011, 05:34 PM) *
I diagree, if we're working the same job, unless she's paying for the next date i will not fork out £100 pound to go out for a meal i'd happily eat at home.. If we are talking about Western women and men then women earn just as much in most cases. I know that's not always the case but from what i've seen it is. Therefore why does the man have to pay for it all, back when women earnt penies compared to men i think that's more understandable.

Not knowing how it works in the east. I couldn't say, but in my opinion if you have money to waste do it. But i don't so when i go on a date we share.



If girl asked you out, then she has to pay (in my opinion). But if you asked her out, you got to pay everything for the first date!!! What if she didn't have a good time when you took her out. What if she was bored out of her mind, or irritated or uncomfortable throughout the night, then she has to pay for her meal? It is bad enough that you wasted her time, then want her to spend more money on food?

First date is like a business meeting, you need to get her interested. And even after that meeting, paying for the bill is saying "Thank you for your time" You wouldn't invite your potential business parter to a lunch and make them pay for it, would you???

And I am pretty sure it is the same other way around!!!

And btw, I am not talking about any expensive restaurants. Places like Olive Garden or Applebee's where average entree costs around$10-$13(Pretty much average cost in USA). Reason I put "Expensive" is that one guy didn't want me to buy a drink(margarita=$7). So I drank water during the whole night. I don't know about you but.....$35-$45 plus tip in a date is not expensive! I spend much more money than that when I go out with my girlfriends and pay for my own meal and drink. And yes, I think he is a cheap @$$, and I haven't seen him since that night
population1
QUOTE (kimberly @ Apr 7 2011, 06:46 PM) *
If girl asked you out, then she has to pay (in my opinion). But if you asked her out, you got to pay everything for the first date!!! What if she didn't have a good time when you took her out. What if she was bored out of her mind, or irritated or uncomfortable throughout the night, then she has to pay for her meal? It is bad enough that you wasted her time, then want her to spend more money on food?

First date is like a business meeting, you need to get her interested. And even after that meeting, paying for the bill is saying "Thank you for your time" You wouldn't invite your potential business parter to a lunch and make them pay for it, would you???

And I am pretty sure it is the same other way around!!!

And btw, I am not talking about any expensive restaurants. Places like Olive Garden or Applebee's where average entree costs around$10-$13(Pretty much average cost in USA). Reason I put "Expensive" is that one guy didn't want me to buy a drink(margarita=$7). So I drank water during the whole night. I don't know about you but.....$35-$45 plus tip in a date is not expensive! I spend much more money than that when I go out with my girlfriends and pay for my own meal and drink. And yes, I think he is a cheap @$$, and I haven't seen him since that night


though you intended this to the person you quoted... somehow thinking of a dating partner as a business prospect does not add very much quality to the girl. either she can be judged and treated as an individual or as you say, in a business sense, only subjects you/her as something else rather than a potential lover 'cause it's all business, right? well, if it doesn't bother the girl to be only a "business partner" then it doesn't bother the guy be it there are benefits and hardly deep feelings involved. another saying is "business and booty don't mix".

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a waste of time? seriously, what else would she be doing that would add to her looking-for-the-right-one. that's just how it is. you just don't go out with a person and expect everything to go your way perfectly the few first times around and don't expect that person to be "the one". things need to be worked at and worked out. hence their are compromises. that's very selfish, ignorant, and naive to view a night out with a person as a waste of time, and especially over a drink. unless that person was foolishly irresponsible, ignorant, selfish, unthoughtful, etc. then yea.

idk why your date didn't let you have your margarita. maybe he was testing your patience, since many guys know how demanding a girl can be in a date (although she's not showing it or she's putting it out indirectly). but if it was me, I would let my date get some alcohol in her system when/if she so wishes, which she would then be under the influence and be chemically induced, it will save me the mileage of having to work her up. heck, I'll even intoxicate myself to speed things up. then, to make things more easier and get this issue off my chest, I'll pick up the bill and pay for it all. then, her and I will go do other stuff to expend the day. then, the next day, off to see the other girl of whom I'll take out on a date. then I'll pick which one is better at spending their time with me, maybe just the one I like most out of all them, and start seeing her more until another girl comes along the way...
Jessyca
QUOTE (kimberly @ Apr 7 2011, 11:40 AM) *
Some of tips were great and some well these ones specifically I didn't really agree with at all.
9) We are all self-counsious and we are needy. If we say that we are fat, we want you to tell us "why you like us the way we are". Please, don't tell her to workout harder or eat less.
I think sometime when you are gaining weight and no one not even you realizes it maybe it is a good thing if your boy tells you that you are gaining a few extra extra pounds..you don't want to be a fat chick and be alone with cats do you ??


11) Even if you are not official, please have just a chocolate bar for her on Valentine's day or on her birthday.
Chocolate bar...that sounds soo lame and I'm sure a lot of girls would look at this gift as "WTF" don't get me anything then!! Put some thought into it.



avisitor
If the op thinks .. women are going to ask a man on a date then she is not living in this world
A lot of women think they are princesses and will never ask a man on a date.

As for the tips, it is all one sided ... for the woman.
That's nice if you are a loser trying desperately to impress the woman.
Pretty women are everywhere. Don't get trapped by gold diggers and nags.
If the woman is right for the man then she won't be having so many rules
But, rather that she will be doing what she can to attract the man.
Face it, everyone wants someone who wants them.
It is only a fool who goes around chasing women with puppy eyes and tongue hanging out

Dating tips for guys ... be clean and be real ... then let nature takes it course .. embarassedlaugh.gif
moryHX
This list is somewhat shallow. As a woman, I wouldn't dare associate myself with some of the things listed. First off, I like shoes, but I don't LOVE them and purchase hella. And guys aren't banks or robots (they need to vent and talk too--the relationship would be so boring if they guy doesn't at least talk as much as the lady). And someone mentioned that Asian guys' cars aren't messy...I agree to a certain extent. But boy...if any of us come across a guy like that, then the date is OFF! for me anyways...I wouldn't even step foot into the car. And I wouldn't say that "we are stupid sometimes" (I sure as hell am not stupid, that's for sure), but I'd say sometimes we can be silly.

As a closing remark though, this list just categorized a specific group of woman ---> women who are materialistic, high maintenance, cocky, and aggressive yet wanting to appear as feminine as possible (via desire of chocolate, romantic gestures, talk of shoes, etc.).
KojTusMeHavnim
QUOTE (avisitor @ Apr 7 2011, 07:30 PM) *
If the op thinks are women are going to ask a man on a date then she is not living in this world
A lot of women think they are princesses and will never ask a man on a date.

As for the tips, it is all one sided ... for the woman.
That's nice if you are a loser trying desperately to impress the woman.
Pretty women are everywhere. Don't get trapped by gold diggers and nags.
If the woman is right for the man then she won't be having so many rules
But, rather that she will be doing what she can to attract the man.
Face it, everyone wants someone who wants them.
It is only a fool who goes around chasing women with puppy eyes and tongue hanging out

Dating tips for guys ... be clean and be real ... then let nature takes it course .. embarassedlaugh.gif

It is not that we are princesses. I know I gave the example that a prince should come and save his princess, but it could have been another example. The point of that example was for the man to man up! Show her you can take care of things in life and you're not a weakling emotionally and physically. If you were on a date with your wife or gf and a problem came up between you guys and this guy next to your table, are you going to let your wife or gf stand up against this guy and defend the both of you? I doubt it. It is your job as a man to stand up, lead, and show you can protect her not her protecting you. It's just so weird if the woman has to do that... What does that say about the man? How would the man feel? How would the woman feel about the man?
Women were just built to be more clinging, more of a follower, more dependent, and more weak emotionally and physically than men. So I would like a man who has the opposite traits that I don't have.
avisitor
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Apr 8 2011, 01:51 AM) *
It is not that we are princesses. I know I gave the example that a prince should come and save his princess, but it could have been another example. The point of that example was for the man to man up! Show her you can take care of things in life and you're not a weakling emotionally and physically. If you were on a date with your wife or gf and a problem came up between you guys and this guy next to your table, are you going to let your wife or gf stand up against this guy and defend the both of you? I doubt it. It is your job as a man to stand up, lead, and show you can protect her not her protecting you. It's just so weird if the woman has to do that... What does that say about the man? How would the man feel? How would the woman feel about the man?
Women were just built to be more clinging, more of a follower, more dependent, and more weak emotionally and physically than men. So I would like a man who has the opposite traits that I don't have.

Wow, you really have no idea what it means to be in a relationship.
Sure, it would be great for a man to protect his wife and kids from an aggressor.
That's ideal and that is Hollywood. When it is reality, most people don't want to get into a fight.
And the wife, who has most of the say so in a marriage, will want to just get away from the aggressor.
Really, do you want your man to go to jail and miss work??? Especially when money is tight now a days.
Rent/ mortgage, food, car, health insurance, life insurance, and all the other essentials don't stop for a fight.

What does it say about the man??? If the man is an idiot then he fights and get busted ... felony assault if he wins
and if he loses then sent to the hospital where insurance won't pay cause he started the fight
(insurance will look for a way not to pay ... that is just the way it is)
The reality is not as glamorous as Hollywood tales.

Women were built to be more clingy???
Seriously, how old are you??? Late teens or early twenties???
Life will take those preconceived notion away from you ... just live your life and you will see ... eek.gif
Taln
QUOTE (avisitor @ Apr 7 2011, 09:30 PM) *
If the op thinks .. women are going to ask a man on a date then she is not living in this world
A lot of women think they are princesses and will never ask a man on a date.


Apparently your world is far more limited than the rest of ours. I may be shy, but I have asked guys on dates when I was really intereste in them and the relationship was drifting into more of a casual friendship than I wanted. I just took a guy to an NBA game.
Maybe you just haven't had any women interested enough in you.

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As for the tips, it is all one sided ... for the woman.

Did you read the title of the thread?


But I do agree with moryHX on those points. I am not obsessed with shoes, nor do I shut off communication if it just happens to be about his work. How are you supposed to get to know someone if you don't know something about were they spend at least a 1/3 of their day and how they feel about it?
KojTusMeHavnim
I would say women are more clingy than men, more dependent than men, more of a follower than men... I'm not saying all women are like that but in general through out history included, we see that.

I think men can let go of things and move on a lot faster.. so that makes them less clingy. LESS CLINGY, I SAY! Men are clingy too but just less in general.
I may feel clingy, but I do know when to let things go.. I've let a lot of things go in the past when I didn't want to. It was best for me to let them go although it was not my heart's desire.

That could just be my opinion.. everything I have said are just my opinions, no one has to agree with me. I'm not claiming to be 110% right.

Did I say STAND UP = FIGHT?
Maybe every time you stand up for someone you throw your fist, but that's not how I would expect my bf/husband to stand up for me. I would be embarrassed if he fights. The only time you should raise your fist to defend or to wake someone up if you really have to do that.
I'm not a fan of fighting. I've never hit anyone besides my older brothers when we were kids. I can't even kill flies!



Don't even compare my life with Hollywood. I freaking hate Hollywood. They usually have no morals. I do not wish to follow them. They play a big reason why our society is so corrupted.
Yer
I think someone should make a "How to Date Me" thread so everybody can give some tips on how to date them individually. Let's see how many "universal dating tips" we can debunk in one post. icon_twisted.gif
Algaion1
Mm i suppose if it's you asked i guess you could pay, but i wouldnt go out and only spend $30-40

If i was trying to impress someone i'd take her somewhere worth my time. As mentioned previously normally i'd happily eat food that i cook, so i'd have to go somewhere excellent.. It'd be a pain to be taken somewhere where the good was nasty.

Either way the age of chivalry is over in a sense, sure you can still do it. But it's really not necessary.
KojTusMeHavnim
QUOTE (Yer @ Apr 8 2011, 01:24 PM) *
I think someone should make a "How to Date Me" thread so everybody can give some tips on how to date them individually. Let's see how many "universal dating tips" we can debunk in one post. icon_twisted.gif

That would actually be very interesting!! LOL!I don't think anyone will want to date me though. Some have already expressed that.
Gideon
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Apr 8 2011, 05:19 PM) *
That would actually be very interesting!! LOL!I don't think anyone will want to date me though. Some have already expressed that.



Confidense will make you sexier. ^_< Don't be so glum, chum.
avisitor
QUOTE (Taln @ Apr 8 2011, 01:07 PM) *
Apparently your world is far more limited than the rest of ours. I may be shy, but I have asked guys on dates when I was really intereste in them and the relationship was drifting into more of a casual friendship than I wanted. I just took a guy to an NBA game.
Maybe you just haven't had any women interested enough in you.

Modern age women do tend to be more forward and be more aggressive in getting their man.
However in your case, you may just not be pretty enough for men to want you. Sorry about that ... embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE
Did you read the title of the thread?

Yes, I did. Did you bother to read what followed??
Men who value themselves don't need to chase women around with puppy eyes and tongue hanging out

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But I do agree with moryHX on those points. I am not obsessed with shoes, nor do I shut off communication if it just happens to be about his work. How are you supposed to get to know someone if you don't know something about were they spend at least a 1/3 of their day and how they feel about it?

Maybe there is hope for you, yet. ... embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Apr 8 2011, 02:02 PM) *
That could just be my opinion.. everything I have said are just my opinions, no one has to agree with me. I'm not claiming to be 110% right.

Don't worry. You're not 110% right .. embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE
Did I say STAND UP = FIGHT?
Maybe every time you stand up for someone you throw your fist, but that's not how I would expect my bf/husband to stand up for me. I would be embarrassed if he fights. The only time you should raise your fist to defend or to wake someone up if you really have to do that.
I'm not a fan of fighting. I've never hit anyone besides my older brothers when we were kids. I can't even kill flies!


Don't even compare my life with Hollywood. I freaking hate Hollywood. They usually have no morals. I do not wish to follow them. They play a big reason why our society is so corrupted.

Have you ever stood up to anyone???
So if someone bad mouths you in a restaurant then it means that your man would scream back obscenities at them??
Where do you think it will lead???
What world do you live in???

Okay then, explain to me how your man would stand up for you???
For example, you're in a restaurant eating .. the guy at the next table screams out that you're the whore who stole his money at the neighborhood bar (mistaken identity) .. now tell me how would he defend you?
If your man is to defend you then he must be able to back up his words.

Bad example??? Then how about .. at a club, some drunk guy insist on taking you out to the dance floor ..
how is your man going to defend you or "stand up"?? Where do you think that will lead??

Do you want to explain that last statement???
I meant Hollywood movies ... What Hollywood are you talking about that makes our society so corrupt???
Suijen
I think we can agree that as a general principle, women are quite stupid.
mastaping

QUOTE (Suijen @ Apr 9 2011, 12:02 AM) *
I think we can agree that as a general principle, women are quite stupid.

I'd go with naive...
mya89
QUOTE (kimberly @ Apr 7 2011, 07:40 PM) *
After listening through many date stories from my girlfriends and my own experience, I decided to put together these tips for guys.

First Date
1) If you think the girl is out of your league, the chances are she is. And if she agreed to go out on a date with you, that is your only chance to impress her.

2) Never ever let her pay ANYTHING. showing a gesture that she will pay the half is being nice. If she pay for anything, you just kissed your next date with her good-bye.

3) We all know that economy is a slumb and everyone is not doing so great. But don't be a cheap @$$. P.S. Don't say something like "Those are expensive" regarding to the menu.

4) Clean up your car. She spent two to three hours to look pretty. Last thing in the world she wants is to sit in a dirty car with your sweaty gym clothes, and rotten french fries

5) We appreciate that you tried to dress nice for the evening. But please don't over do it. $400 leather jackets are nice. But they can be catostrophic if we are having hard time finding you in it.

6) At the end of the date, if you don't know "what she does, if she has any siblings, or how she spends her weekends, and what month she was born", you talked way too much or....... there were way too many awkward silences.

7) We girls all love to talk about shoes, and we know it. But unless otherwise the girl is super duper girlie girl, none of us wants to talk about expensive shoes on our first date. If she starts to talk about shoes, that means she is super duper bored. It is also another way of saying she can afford expensive stuff without anyone's help, which means she thinks you are cheap.

8) Btw, we are human beings too. We love to interact with other people. So just relax and be yourself. Couple of jokes here and there totally boosts the chemistry

About being a woman

9) We are all self-counsious and we are needy. If we say that we are fat, we want you to tell us "why you like us the way we are". Please, don't tell her to workout harder or eat less.

10) when we say we are sick, we don't want your "ooh, I hope you feel better soon" We hear that all the time from our girlfriends. Just knock on the door with hot soup and vitamin-C rich fruits, and show that you care.

11) Even if you are not official, please have just a chocolate bar for her on Valentine's day or on her birthday.

12) After long day at work, she wants to cuddle with you. Please put away the XBox

13) I know we can be stupid sometimes. But a lot of times, we just want to be silly around you.

14) If she txted you 3-times in 2 days of period, and didn't get any reply back from you, she is good as gone

15) If you two got into an argument, and you haven't heard from her for a week, You are a newly single

Other stuff

16) Complaining is for woman. Man up!!

17) Lets face it. There are very few days where people have good day at work. Unless otherwise it is one of those days, don't complain or explain what happened at work one by one. We don't care even if we ask "How was your work?" Only thing you have to say is "It was alright"

18) Talking is for woman. She is the one who should be talking at least 50% of the coversation.

20) If we didn't spend your money on shopping, don't complain about how much money we have spent, or how expensive stuff we bought. This country is consumer oriented.

21) Most of us doesn't have a slightest clue about mechanics. But that doesn't mean we are stupid


icon_confused.gif uh okay, there's something about all these rules for the first date which frustrate me. I don't mean these ones in particular, but they're generally advertised everywhere.
Most of it's common sense, right? If somebody has to read up on these rules before going on a date then either they're too young or doesn't understand much on how to act in a proper way...it would make me nervous.
avisitor
QUOTE (mya89 @ Apr 10 2011, 04:30 PM) *
icon_confused.gif uh okay, there's something about all these rules for the first date which frustrate me. I don't mean these ones in particular, but they're generally advertised everywhere.
Most of it's common sense, right? If somebody has to read up on these rules before going on a date then either they're too young or doesn't understand much on how to act in a proper way...it would make me nervous.

Common Sense things aren't always known by everyone ... embarassedlaugh.gif
Taln
QUOTE (mya89 @ Apr 10 2011, 03:30 PM) *
icon_confused.gif uh okay, there's something about all these rules for the first date which frustrate me. I don't mean these ones in particular, but they're generally advertised everywhere.
Most of it's common sense, right? If somebody has to read up on these rules before going on a date then either they're too young or doesn't understand much on how to act in a proper way...it would make me nervous.


AGREED!

Besides if a guy put on a pretense to manage all these rules, can you imagine the disappointment to come later when the woman meets the real guy!?!?!
Been there .... would rather choose from the start what I am willing to overlook and what I won't.

strongbad
Here is a tip for men of all races, size, shape and form.


try to find out what events are happening in your city. Do this by looking in the community events section in your local news pappers, go online do a search, become a volunteer to get access
to events, grab a brochure in one those rent a car shops. Now you will have an arsenal of events where you can treat girls to a good time.

If you go on a lot of dates after a while you will get bored of doing the samething over and over again. This should help give you some variety.


If aladdin impressed jasmine by showing her the world, you can impress girls by showing them their world.
KojTusMeHavnim
QUOTE (strongbad @ Apr 11 2011, 03:13 PM) *
Here is a tip for men of all races, size, shape and form.


try to find out what events are happening in your city. Do this by looking in the community events section in your local news pappers, go online do a search, become a volunteer to get access
to events, grab a brochure in one those rent a car shops. Now you will have an arsenal of events where you can treat girls to a good time.

If you go on a lot of dates after a while you will get bored of doing the samething over and over again. This should help give you some variety.


If aladdin impressed jasmine by showing her the world, you can impress girls by showing them their world.


GAWD! I thought you were like... not alive anymore or something embarassedlaugh.gif..
But, take this man's word, you guys.. He's an expert! I know because he told me how many girls he has dated. LOL!! (Unless he lied to me.)
strongbad
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Apr 11 2011, 04:16 PM) *
GAWD! I thought you were like... not alive anymore or something embarassedlaugh.gif..


Koj, gave me the kiss of death
KojTusMeHavnim
QUOTE (strongbad @ Apr 11 2011, 05:57 PM) *

Huh? LOL....
You like old songs. Sure you're not some old fat dude behind that screen? And that profile picture is actually of your son? LOL! JK. I like old songs too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6iAjEv9dQ
Not a Brad Paisley fan but I like the song biggrin.gif. It's funny.



EDIT: You know what KOJ means? It means YOU in Hmong. Funny how it makes sense in your post.
strongbad
QUOTE (strongbad @ Apr 11 2011, 03:13 PM) *
Here is a tip for men of all races, size, shape and form.
try to find out what events are happening in your city. Do this by looking in the community events section in your local news pappers, go online do a search, become a volunteer to get access
to events, grab a brochure in one those rent a car shops. Now you will have an arsenal of events where you can treat girls to a good time.
If you go on a lot of dates after a while you will get bored of doing the samething over and over again. This should help give you some variety.
If aladdin impressed jasmine by showing her the world, you can impress girls by showing them their world.


for example, lets say you're a vietnamese guy with boyish good looks, and you meet a beautiful baby face white girl.

You could take her to an event called Spice & Slice of Asia: Pride of Viet Nam, at this event she can connect more with your culture, and you can impress her by showing her that you are a cultured guy.

But if you lived under a rock you wouldnt know about this event, and you wouldnt be able to show her a good time, and you would be just another stereotypical shy asian guy on asiafinest.
bosco
yea i agree with your statement. here in canada its all equal so its only fair for halves and soemtiems guy can pay on special occassions but not always. thats what i think

QUOTE (Algaion1 @ Apr 7 2011, 06:34 PM) *
I diagree, if we're working the same job, unless she's paying for the next date i will not fork out £100 pound to go out for a meal i'd happily eat at home.. If we are talking about Western women and men then women earn just as much in most cases. I know that's not always the case but from what i've seen it is. Therefore why does the man have to pay for it all, back when women earnt penies compared to men i think that's more understandable.

Not knowing how it works in the east. I couldn't say, but in my opinion if you have money to waste do it. But i don't so when i go on a date we share.

mastaping
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Apr 11 2011, 06:16 PM) *
GAWD! I thought you were like... not alive anymore or something embarassedlaugh.gif..
But, take this man's word, you guys.. He's an expert! I know because he told me how many girls he has dated. LOL!! (Unless he lied to me.)

Its not about how many people one has dated. but in the quality of the relationships.....
thaidreamer
Im italian background born in Melbourne,AU, I dated a girl from china, I liked her alot,all though she didnt speak much english but understood some english,
it got the the stage where she was selfish and wanted to be pleased so much she forgot about me when it came to sex.
it got to a stage where i made her crazy horny in bed, she never introduced me to her friends, it was as if, she was imbarrased cause i was not asain.
in the end i gave up and walked away.
Zdrav
QUOTE (population1 @ Apr 7 2011, 03:11 PM) *
and this applies to men of all races? or for the western-ized men? seems more appropriate standards for the western-ized men. most Asian men keep their cars clean, inside in out. most Asian girls don't have those types of issues (self-esteem, obsessive-compulsiveness, double standards, double meanings/innuendos, and what have they) it has to do more with culture and lifestyle where platonic relationships or deep down to Earth type relationships seems to predominate in Asian couples before all materialistic, narcissistic, egoistic, ever comes into play.


Wow.

Stop playing so much Love Plus and meet some REAL Asian girls for a change.
avisitor
QUOTE (thaidreamer @ May 1 2011, 01:27 PM) *
Im italian background born in Melbourne,AU, I dated a girl from china, I liked her alot,all though she didnt speak much english but understood some english,
it got the the stage where she was selfish and wanted to be pleased so much she forgot about me when it came to sex.
it got to a stage where i made her crazy horny in bed, she never introduced me to her friends, it was as if, she was imbarrased cause i was not asain.
in the end i gave up and walked away.

I'm Chinese ...
When I was courting a woman in China, I couldn't speak much Chinese.
She avoided introducing me to her friends.
I don't know if it was embarrassment or if she was just not sure how far this relationship would go.
I stuck it out and in the end, I married her.

So, lacking any details of your romance with the girl from China,
I don't think she was embarrassed that you weren't Asian
but maybe she was trying more to protect herself from having to explain a bad relationship
As for the selfish in bed part, most women I have dated were like that .. icon_redface.gif
Cha
Every girl is different. They have different preferences and they interpret things differently. Get to know your girlfriend and then figure out what she likes.

Some guys make the mistake of doing the things for their second girlfriends that their earlier girlfriends liked. Girls could like common things, but there are certain other things that aren't liked by every girl because each girl has different personality. For example, some girls want chivalry while others can't stand it, some girls would rather have the guy to make the decisions while others want to make the decisions or at least have the guy give them a chance to make it. Some like it fast while some like to take it slow. Some are conservative while others are on the wild side. This is why I think you shouldn't take all of a woman's advice on dating.
Suijen
Be honest with her and with yourself.

Before the first date, show her your penis.
AsiaticGlory
I know this sounds cliche but all you can really do is be yourself. Problem with pretending is that you will eventually slip and reveal your true personality. Although "be yourself" doesn't mean you shouldn't fix your weaknesses.
LittleDeathAngel
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ May 9 2011, 07:48 PM) *
I know this sounds cliche but all you can really do is be yourself. Problem with pretending is that you will eventually slip and reveal your true personality. Although "be yourself" doesn't mean you shouldn't fix your weaknesses.


What happens if you don't have a "true personality"?
mastaping
QUOTE (LittleDeathAngel @ May 10 2011, 11:03 AM) *
What happens if you don't have a "true personality"?

Then you have no distinct personality...which in turn is your "true personality"
As humans though... dont we all have our own personality? Even animals have a their own personalities....
mya89
QUOTE (LittleDeathAngel @ May 10 2011, 05:03 PM) *
What happens if you don't have a "true personality"?



oh I definetely agree with the just be yourself routine. you can't go wrong with appearing genuine even if you're a bit eccentric which is always good thing in my books anyway cus it shows that you're different.

everyone's got a "true personality"! are you saying, what if you're a bit boring? I think that's ok cus a lot of people are boring...most people I meet I brand as boring but they're still great people. honestly the less you worry about how you appear, the better you appear...
mndeg
If you don't have a true personality date someone else without a "true personality". Or perhaps go through something that will help you develop a personality? For example I'm in Taiwan and a lot of females here don't have much of a personality or any interests that aren't generic like sleeping or eating. And everyone needs to stop trying to date up.
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