I'm a Chinese, however I've read some history of the Hmong people, i guesss i should share with you.

Hmongs, in chinese they're called Miao. According to legends and spoken history, They originated from the south side of Huang He (yellow river), as opposite to the Hans in the north. Miao's ( at that time they were called Jiu Li tribe) leader Chi Yu went into war with the Hans led by HuangDi ( the common ancestor of all Chinese). Jiu Li tribe was driven southward after their lost the war. During the reign of Yiao ( the ruler of Hans, or the middle kingdom), Miao ( this time called San Miao) recovered and consequently went into war with the Hans again, and eventually were driven out and forced to migrate southward again. With the establishment of the following Chinese dynasties, many Hans expanded and migrated south and had conflicts with the Miao people. some Hmongs were driven into the moutains of Yunnan, China's south-western most territory. the others ran to nowaday Laos and vietnam.

Hmongs are not East Asian Mongoloids ( Han-Manchu-Mongol Chinese, koreans, Japanese). they're southern Yue ethnicity ( if i remember it right). when they migrated southward into Laos, they inter-married with Austronesoid natives there. that's why they might look more different than Chinese and koreans.
Hmongs indeed have been suffering throughout history. they were defeated by the Chinese at times of history. even today, Hmongs are still under the horror of ethnic cleansing by Laotians and vietnamese

King Chi You is an ancient hero of the Hmong people in China. King Chi You, along with Huang Di and Yan Di, is regarded as one of the three great ancestors of the Chinese Nation.



2700 BC) After winning 9 battles and losing the final 10th, the Hmong king, Chi You (txiv yawg), is defeated by the Chinese king, Huangti. The Hmong are driven from their original Yellow River valley homelands into central China where they established a new kingdom known as San-Miao.

(2200 BC) Yu the Great defeated the San-Miao Kingdom. During this time a massive genocide campaign was set out against the Hmong people. Over half the Hmong population was killed. Confused, survivors fled not knowing where to go. The Hmong were no longer able to be united and be as strong as they were. The Hsia/Xia (pronounced Shia) Dynasty isformed lasting 2200BC to 1755BC. Each dynasty is named after its founder`s family name.

(1755 BC - 1028 BC) Shang Dynasty continued to suppress the Hmong so that they cannot be a threat in the future.

(1028 BC) With the help of the Hmong people, King Wu overthrows the last Shang ruler and forms the Chou/Zhou Dynasty lasting from 1028BC until 256BC. Even though the Hmong had helped King Wu, he banished them into the San Wei mountain region, and this was the beginning of their mountain experiences.

(704 BC - 223 BC) During these years stood the great Hmong kingdom of Chu. During a war that lasted two hundred years known as the "Warring States era" (475BC-221BC), the great kingdom along with five other kingdoms fell to Qin (pronounced Chin) rule and China was formed. All known Hmong books were burned and those who dared use the Hmong language were punished by death. Another genocide campaign was set to kill the Hmong, this time all Hmong males throughout the new Qin Empire were punished by death. Hmong of these days are said to have blonde hair and blue eye features, which was how they were easily pinpointed and killed. The Hmong writing is preserved into a quilt known as the pang dao for over the next 2000 years. The Hmong people continued to flee to preserve their culture and freedom.

(221 BC - 206 BC) Qin Dynasty is formed. Feudalism is lost due to the burning of the books by the King of Qin. Imperialism is set to rule China for the next 2100 years. King of Qin is Qin Shih Huangti (pronounced `chin sher hwang dee`), meaning "First Emperor." Qin is their family name. He burned the Hmong books and banned Hmong language, that`s why today we don`t have an "original" writing system but we had words explaining "writing." He also began the building of the "Great Wall of China." He is the emperor who was buried with a ton of terracottawarriors.

(403 - 561) 158 years of frequent fighting occurred between the Hmong and Chinese. It is said that every 4 years a major war occurred between the Hmong and Chinese.

(400-900) Another Hmong Kingdom is established in China. This kingdom was a hereditary monarchy, organized into village districts and men who could bear arms were allowed to vote in political processes. Although it may have lasted until sometime near 900, its most powerful times was during the 7th century when the Chinese and Hmong continued to wage wars against each other. At a stalemate, realizing that it would be wise to stop the fighting, the Chinese emperor invited the Hmong political leaders for a negotiation. They decided that the Chinese prince would marry the Hmong princess. She refused and was later killed when taken by the Chinese. This whole story is still unclear to me and I`ll conduct more research on it. The Sung Dynasty was later formed in 960 and finished off what remained of the Hmong Kingdom, after this defeat it is told in a Hmong legend that the Chinese ordered that all Hmong people are to be divided according to their regions. 5 Hmong groups were formed, black/blue, flowery, green, red, and white. This was to insure that the Hmong no longer reunited as a whole, for they are seen as threat. It was effective to a certain degree for today we even have some disagreements only because of this division, but it did not stop the Hmong people from fighting together against cruel Imperial Chinese rule for the next seven hundred years.

(1615)- The Chinese created a minor 100 mile Great Wall in the west, from Baojing to Tongren, to block out the Hmong rebellions. This wall was called the "Southern Great Wall," and costed the Chinese 4,000 silver bars and much man power to build. Six to ten thousand Chinese military personnel were ordered to patrol the Southern Great Wall.

(1644-1911) During the Qing (pronounced `ching`) Dynasty, the Hmong andChinese again entered into a period of intense fighting and wars.

(1681) Rebel Chinese general Huang Ming took refuge in southeastern Guizhou. In his 20 years with the Hmong, he trained them with military supplies and weapon left behind by Chinese general Ma Bao. Huang Ming`s teaching of military technology led the Hmong to develop and improve what they have acquired which were at the time, modern weapons of war consisting of cannons and flintlocks.
(1746) The first Hmong arrive in northern Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and Burma from China to avoid persecution and to look for new lands to farm.
(1767) The Hmong of lesser and greater Kin-tchuen entered into conflict with the local Chinese governor, Le Tsong-tou. After realizing that fighting was futile against the Hmong, the Chinese entered into diplomacy with the Hmong. Gifts were offered to the Hmong regularly for cooperation. The Emperor of China`s policy towards the Hmong changed when Hmong princes, upon talking with Peking envoys, characterized the Emperor`s rule as criminal. A historically repeating Chinese desire to exterminate the Hmong began a new cycle.

Ouen-fou was the Chinese general charged with 120,000 infantry and cavalry to suppress the Hmong. Ouen-fou`s pursuit of the Hmong into the high mountains resulted in him and 50,000 of his troops dead. The Chinese troops, fighting on Hmong territory, were bombarded with boulders while on narrow and treachously high walkways. The Chinese neither had the chance to escape nor fight, and as their troops were weakened in number and strength, the Hmong finished off what remained of Ouen-fou`s army killing the general in the process.

The Chinese Emperor then selected General Akoui to complete the mission. Akoui gathered intelligence on the Hmong and concluded: 1) the Hmong`s skills in ambushing and a quick retreat made a steady supply line impossible and 2) the Hmong`s strongholds overlooked every major pass.

To solve the first problem Akoui required his soldiers to carry everything they needed bypassing the need for a supply line. To solve the second problem, Akoui carried cannon parts that could be assembled and used in sieges against the Hmong strongholds.

Akoui eventually penetrated into lesser Kin-tchuen and laid siege on the city. The Hmong king of Kin-tchuen, Seng-Ke-Sang, died during this siege as a result of disease, sickness and the lack of food. King Seng-Ke-Sang`s corpse was decapitated and his head was sent to the Emperor as proof of victory.

Akoui then marched onward to greater Kin-tchuen against King Sonom. A siege at, Leouei, greater Kin-tchuen`s capital, nearly brought the defeat of the Hmong. However, the Hmong broke through and reformed at Karai. There, as both armies of the Hmong and Chinese suffered heavy casualties already, Akoui entered into negotiations with King Sonom. Akoui promised King Sonom that he and his family would be spared, and that King Sonom could rule his old kingdom in the name of the Emperor. Sonom took the bait and surrendered to Akoui. King Sonom was taken to Peking where his crimes were read and sentence declared. King Sonom and his family were to be hanged and cut to pieces, and then later their heads were to be put on display. His officials were beheaded. This was the last of any Hmong kingdom.

(1795-1806) - A period of intense fighting between the Hmong and Chinese erupted near Guizhou, Hunan and Sichuan. Vue Banyan, Shu Liaoting, Shu Sanbao and Hu Tianban were the Hmong leadership in this war. Vue Banyan was capture and killed, as the Hmong were again defeated.

In 1850, King Lo Pa Sy and son, Lo Blia Yao, brought Hmong followers out of China to escape persecution.

(1854-1873) The Maio rebellion took place in Guizhou against Imperial China. In the 20 years struggle, the population of 7 million Hmong suffered 4.9 million deaths. The Miao rebellion was not believed to be the result of the sole Miao insurgency and ethnic hostility. Many minority ethnicities, the Hans and Muslims included, were involved in the rebellion in Guizhou. The rebellion composed of 49% Han, 40% Hmong and 11% Muslim. This rebellion was termed the Miao rebellion by Imperial China because the Miao were involved with virtually all uprisings and remained the foundation for the rebellion.

Reasons for the rebellion included taxes, land confiscation and racism. Zhang Xiumei (shumay) led the Hmong against the Chinese. He is captured and executed in Hunan. His dying words are for the Hmong to never give up their homeland and assimilate under the Chinese, and he also promised to return to help the Hmong. Betrayal is believed to be the ultimate deciding factor in the defeat of the Hmong.




Well that was the last major rebellion the Hmong waged against Imperial China, it was after that rebellion that some more Hmong fled to South East Asia. But the majority of the Hmong population stayed behind and were later forced to assimilate into the Chinese culture. The Hmong language was again banned, but those who refused to live among the Chinese fled further into the mountains. The Hmong who wanted to stop the mistreaments decided to live with the Chinese, learning their culture and language, soon forgetting their own. The ancestors of the majority of the Hmong who reside in the free nations today, those of them who actually are reading this for other Hmong cannot afford to do so, they are the ancestors of the Hmong who fled to preserve the Hmong culture and language, to pass the history onto their children so that the Hmong could never really die. Because, "A man can live on forever, if he is remembered." -Socrates And so it is up to them of today, to share this information with other peoples.

man that sucks....we aint got no real country..... ..........

Whoa, that makes it seem like every single Chinese person is out to exterminate Hmongs, which I don't believe is true at all! First of all, I would bet that many Chinese don't even know who the Hmongs are at all. Second, Hmongs weren't the only ones that Chinese had to deal with. There were constant raids from the north by Mongolians, Jurchens (Manchurians), and from the west by Uighurs and Tibetans. Also, China fought wars with Korea, Japan, Vietnam... etc.

hey my friend....it was back long time ago....but now...i dont know...
anyway...chinese people only know the term miao....which mean....hmong...or savage..a term which chinese use to describe hmong people.But that was long time ago.......when china wasnt form yet....get it....i think hmong people was the first to fought the chinese....or hans...or watever..

We hmong is the bravelys......and alot of people said ...if it werent for the chinese of invadin our kingdom or watever its call....we be livin in china now.....and maybe the leader of china......cuz if u read carefully.....we hmong created more high tech stuff than the chinese....and invented more powerful or useable stuff....but if it werent for the chinese who burn all the hmong history books......

yes which was like 100000 year ago...

hmm yeah heard about that...

and you guys have tried very hard to preserve ur language and culture....

Like the Romans, Chinese considered everyone outside of China "barbarians". This is just a trend that occurs to every powerful nation in the world throughout history. Even today, although Americans don't straighout say non-Americans are "barbarians" but they sure believe they are better than everyone else.



Yeah, and if the Japanese didn't invade China during World War II, China would be the leader of Asia today. The point is, there's really no point in saying such things except to boost your own ego.

Hmong created more high tech stuff than the Chinese? What proof do you have to back up your claim? They invented more powerful or useable stuff? Then how come the Hmongs lost all the wars? Chinese burned your history books? When? Evidence?



100,00 years ago? Weren't we still in the Ice Age back then? I don't believe civilization even started until the earliest 10,000 years ago.

I have a great respect for the Hmongs but if you want to blame the Chinese for your current state, at least have some proof and at least make sense in your accusation. Many African-Americans today blame Caucasian-Americans for their current state due to slavery but at least they have evidence.

The written language is said by some to have been eradicated over centuries of persecution in China (though it is not certain that there ever was a unique written language for Hmong). According to some traditions, Hmong women once sought to preserve their banned Hmong writing by stitching stylized characters into their dresses. Some of the symbols may have been preserved, but their meaning was lost.


HMONG CULTURE STILL REMAINS...

The Asian Hmong culture is basically agrarian in nature. The Hmong's traditional religion is focused on animism, shamanism, worship of hard spirit entities and conjured healing. However, the Hmong make up a large portion of Vietnam's seven million ethnic minorities, at least 750,000 of which have converted to evangelical Christianity since 1975. About 300,000 of those are Hmong. Add to this a total of eight million Catholics in Vietnam proper, and you have the makings of a Christian revolution in the works.

that's what i was going to say. a lot of hmong loyalists claim that they created the kingdom Chu in China during the Warring State era, but there's not proof. the southern most boundary of Chu was only to nowaday Anhui, Hubei . from what i learned, hmongs were already driven southward. Even if there were any hmongs in Chu, the ruling class and elites were still Hans

y do they lost the war...??
we fought 10 battle.....9 which we won...and than later on the 10...
all of the other kingdom have come together and make a plan to destory our kingdom....which include a floodin of the kingdom....
but hey wat can u said......the chinese burned all the hmong books....
thats my proof or theory
anyway.......i not a fuken history freak....so i cant said more shiz...
yea like 10000 years ago....
just put it like this when china wasnt form yet...


and i think most of the chinese here is getting angry ....or sumthing....haha...
i will stop this shiz...

which 10? which 9? please elaborate and provide evidence.

during what era? what other kingdoms are you talking about? what was your kingdom?
please elaborate and provide evidence

probably, if they even had a writing system

please elaborate and provide evidence.

I've noticed this website is very culturally diverse. touching the core of hstory might hurt some people. but history is history, facts are facts.
I didn't intend to insult anyone when i brought this up, I just thought that most hmongs were not conscious of their heritage. all hmong people should be aware of their origin, so they can pass their knowledge to next generation. as some of you said hmongs should never die

omg i can tell you r a hater or agaisnt the hmong peeps from wat i post .....the history.....which i can kareless .....evidence? wat do i look like to you?!a fu-kan history freak....na.....all of my post is from other site....which is based on the hmong history....
but who said that the hmong culture is dying...????
........yes sum in china,viet,lao,thai.....is dying..
but in usa...is still strong....

yea...now a day we hmong be speaking english instead of hmong.....some hmong cant even speak hmong at all.....

I don't think the Chinese are getting angry in this thread. We are confused as to why you keep claiming that the Chinese have oppressed the Hmongs in the past "100,000 years" and constantly bringing up these "wars" and "battles" but with no evidence to back them up. In any rational discussion, one must have evidence to back up their claims, otherwise they'd just be lying.

oh yes there is alot of battle bewteen the hmongs and chineses people.....than where did the hmong people can from???
space??mars?venis??water????well just read the history of the hmongs i posted....oh yes its true...and no bullshiz......anit trying to claim that we r da shiz..or bla bla bla...n y r the hmong people doing in vietnam,laos,or thailand..???
they jst appear there my azz...lol..

indeed, there were many battles fought between hmongs and other chinese ethnicities. however, wars with hmongs were not take seriously because hmongs were too weak to be a major concern of China. China's focus had always been in the north with Huns, Manchus, and Mongols

yea....i never heard about HUNs that much.....all i know its attila(spell it wrong) the leader of hun....he was pretty good at combat and comandin....HUN is from mongolian rite?? but remember this is long time ago when mongol,huns,manchus havent do shiz to chinese..
but 9/10....comon gona get them sum props ahha...
anyway i will like to learn about the true of hmong people.....
but i know mongol was the only to control china am i rite??? the yuan dynasty?? i forgot...

"Hun" isn't a person's name, it's a people. Hence the name "Attila the Hun". In Chinese, it's Xiongnu, I'm not sure where the word "Hun" came from, I'm assuming it's European. Huns are related to Mongolians but exactly the same.

As 直隸總督 said, the Hmongs are not nearly as important to Chinese history as Mongolians, Manchurians, Huns, and even Tibetans and Uighurs.

Also, where do you exactly get your information from? It does seem like they just appear out of your "azz". Without any citations, you could very well be making these so-called "facts" up. When you write a research paper, don't you have to cite your sources as well?

Whatever the case, wars were constantly fought throughout history all over the world. Just because a people lost a war, it doesn't mean they were the "good guys" while the victors are the "bad guys". You make it seem like the Chinese had nothing better to do than to fight the Hmongs. Has it ever occured to you that maybe the Hmongs were the invaders and the Chinese were simply defending their homeland. When the Hmong invaders lost, of course the Chinese are going to take over their land to make up for all the losses. While the Hmongs were bitter, they keep attacking and harrasing the Chinese until they were finally beat so bad that they no longer posed a threat. Thousands of years later, Hmong decendents are bitter and want to blame the Chinese for their current state.

In no way do I have any hatred toward the Hmongs. However, if you are going to blame the Chinese for everything, I suggest you at least provide reliable evidence and not just pull random "facts" out of your "azz".

Thank you.

do u trippin .......out of ur azzZ??
racist....i said ....blame??? who said i said blame???foo get yo self correct....do chinese history said sumthing bout hmong ???no...evidence??wat do i look like to you.....yea different people got different view.....said for u chinese.....u got a different view and us hmong got different view....

true, according to legends, Chi Yu ( the hmong leader) first attacked Yian Di's clan, Yian Di then sought Huang Di to help. so the Hmongs first invaded the Hans and consequently, they lost and fled southward.

What does that even mean? Please, no slangs, just plain English.



You claimed that Hmongs were more advanced than the Chinese without any evidence to back that up and then went on to say that the "Chinese are out to destroy the Hmongs" and also you mentioned that if it weren't for the Chinese, Hmongs would rule most of modern day China, which again, is nothing more than a claim with no evidence to back up.

Racist? Who said anything about racism?



Yes, different people have different point of views, but this only applies to opinions. We're talking about FACTS here. 1 + 1 = 2 is a FACT, we can't have different point of views on that, it wouldn't be illogical.

ok...have enough of ur "Xpert or smart azz english shiz"
slang or plain english who kares.....diz anit no test shiz..
me n u different people....different opinions....yea now talk all ur smart english..... (lol) all mad and shiz .....SH..this is begin to sound like a arguement....well its tru if not for the chinese or wat ever u call it..
we will still be apart of china..but hey...thats fukan history....thats my thought...not ur oks.....shezz.

i personally find slangs are quite difficult to read and comprehend, but if that's your style, it's ok.
I agree with kulong, people can have different view when talking about their opinions. they can also have different perspectives on certain facts, for example " US attacked Iraq, what do you think?" . however, you can't make up 'facts' as you want. that's what kulong and I have been talking about, we have no mean to go against the hmongs , but as Chinese, and as friends of hmong people, we're responsible to clear out these twisted "facts" which are not back up with any solid evidence

hmm..this should go to the argument post.....

"smart azz english shiz"? I have been using PLAIN English. Have I been purposely using big words just to make myself sound like a "smart azz"?

By typing in PLAIN English, it helps everyone to be able to read clearly without having to guess what one's trying to say.

I am in no way arguing with you. If you feel like this is turning into an arguement, it's purely on your side.

Yes, we're different people and have different opinions, but you still don't understand that while we can have different opinions on well, opinions, FACTS are still FACTS.

Just as 直隸總督 said, being Chinese, we're responsible to point out and clear up any FACTS that you may have made up to somehow blame our ancestors for your current problems. Don't you agree that since you've accussed of our people of wrongdoing in the past, we should at least have the right to question the "facts" that you have provided?

i guess u love in the perfect world.....
dont understand ur perfect english.......xpert talk i said....

I love in the perfect world? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean to say live. No, I do not live in the perfect world, no one does.

My English is nowhere near perfect and it's nothing close to being "expert talk". A middle school student can easily understand my posts without any problems (I even asked my cousin who's in the 6th grade to varify that earlier). How old are you? What grade are you in?

it exsist.....to me..as long as i know wat to make of it.....

i am 10grader and 15 year old.

i am 19 and a college student....

You can lie to yourself all you want. To live in a PERFECT world, it would mean that you have everything you want and the way you want them. If you are disatisfact in any way or have even the tiniest complain then you don't live in the perfect world. To say "It's OK, I have most of what I want." then it isn't a PERFECT world.

why are people trippin' about that? Not to be offensive but I think Kulong is right. Hmong don't even know how to love their own people. They backstabbed each other and they don't even love their own people. C'mon, face it. We Hmong don't even know that much about our history just the hand from the chinese and the American. We only know a few. Whatever happened in the past, it's only HISTORY. TODAY IS TODAY. It doesn't matter how old you are or how smart you are. For you people who took everything so offensive, you don't even the point of view of others.

yea..but some history....i thought that a history was supose to be written down or something......

Whoa whoa whoa... while I usually welcome any support given to me, I must make sure it's understood that I did not intend to express any negative feelings toward the Hmong people. I respect each and every people in the world. However, my point was, if a people isn't happy with their way of life, they shouldn't blame others.

An example I gave was that China has always been considered the superpower and leader in East Asia until the 1800's when Europeans invaded China. I know many Chinese who blamed the European, American, and Japanese imperialists who invaded China at the time for over 200 years of wars and conflict in China. However, I believe if the Chinese government and people at the time didn't close themselves off, which prevented progress and advancement, China could've remained the leader and superpower of East Asia, and maybe even the world.

Many African-Americans blame Caucasian-Americans for 200 years of slavery. But African-Americans have been free since the end of Civil War, they could've made much progress in that 150 years.

Whether it's in the U.S., China, Southeast Asia, or anywhere else in the world, if the Hmong people work hard and educate their children, I'm sure that eventually, the Hmong people will rise again.

can't we all just get along...its bad enough that the anglo culture are seeping into everything and everywhere but we, who are all asians, are trying to fued amongst each other.

I appreciate the history lesson though, it is wonderful, more knowledge is never bad so if anyone has any more history lessons about the Hmong people please post.

Amen to that. Which is why I remain respectful to the Hmong people although some prefer to blame Han Chinese for all their problems.

MY RANT: i say both chinese AND hmong are fu-ked up. let's start with the chinese first. chinese were no different from imperial japan that invaded them. the only difference was that once they figured that there were whites on the west, they build a wall to block them. then chickened out and blocked the whole world out. if not for that, they could have been even worse than imperial japan. and yes, i blame the chinese for the destruction of the hmong (even if the hmong started it first. unless you find proof otherwise.)


as for the hmong, backstabbing each other throughout history. that is why they are the way they are today. even today, they are greedy and selfish. that is why they are losing their old ways (culture). all throughout history, hmong were losers and still are losers. they never learn. and that will be their demise (<spelling). also, over 80% of the adults do not teach their children how to read/write hmong.


and being hmong myself, i am ashamed of my people. isn't being hated by thai's, laotian's, chinese, and vietnamese enough? and the U.S. abandoning us (vietnam war) did not change our way of thought at all. i pity the hmong.


and in my conclusion... fu-k THEM ALL

and don't even get me started on them wiggers... they think they are all innocent and better than the rest of the world. fu-k THEM ALL!


thank you for reading... and sorry for the punctiation...

Um....dam..dont really get the fu-k about the past....Know we Live in The world Greatest and Powerful Country now....
ahha....and fUk any1 who respond to this..
Better than still living in Southern china(aww)..Vietnam(aww)..Laos(awww)

"fUk any1 who respond to this.."?

OK, "fUk" me then.

The past is what makes us... well, us. If you don't give a "fUk" then it's your own loss. If you happen to know your history, you'd know that whenever a powerful people conquer a less-powerful people, the first thing they do is "erase" their past so they won't have a purpose of living or a sense of identity, which make them great slaves.

Oh, BTW, you live in the world's greates and most powerful country who's run by Caucasian-Americans. I seriously doubt you will ever see a Hmong-American president in your lifetime. Imagine always living under someone's shadow.

here you see a classic example of being brainwashed...can't believe it...live an america, the greatest country all these years, and still haven't learned a phuken thing...

love thy culture, love thy people...remember thy past or you are doomed to repeat it...

(there is a reason why historians are paid so damn well)...and I'm not talking about your damn history teacher...

lol midwest. You're living in " The World Greatest and Powerful country" and you don't really care about other hmongs who are suffering in Laos. nice hmong pride.

Yeah Ima nother Hmong Brother.

And This Thread has gone way off topic, you peepz just have to quit it and draw the line somewhere man..

This is getting way too out of hand, cussing and all that immature stuff, can't they delete this or lock it or somethin...

man, You guys juss gotta stop it, i've seen this thread a couple of times but this is juss crossing the line.

who cares whoz better...who carez who beated who...who carz who won dis, loss that, won that, loss dis....ran who out of the country...That'z all the Past. You can choose to forget it and not think about it[although it is still ur Past], or Remember it all you want but keep it to Your Damm Self unless You get Requests for the info you know...jeez...

juss quit it Already, we're all Asian, but we're acting like each of us are from different groups[which we are] but hate da h3ll out of one another. That's not how we're suppose to be, we're minority in dis country[not includin anyone here not from USA] and we gotta kikk it together and not fight wit one another and stay strong, whoever u are, whatever u are.

as for the thread maker, sorry, but man u shoulda never made this, somethings in history are best forgotten, it seemed like u were tryin to degrade us hmong peepz and make us feel bad and like we were nothing in this world or nothing to the Asian Culture. [Maybe that wasn't ur purpose in makin dis, but who da h3ll knows what u were tryin to do, and no one can really prove what u were really intended on doing, fu-kkin wit us hmong peepz, or really tryin to give a good history lesson.]

PeAcE. We NeeD some in dis Thread.

History may hurt some people. in this case --- YOU. I made this topic to inform hmong about their history, I didn't try to degrade anyone. but you must realize, hmongs don't really have a glory past as you thought, sorry for hurting your "hmong pride", but truth is still truth.
let me ask, how many hmongs here actually know about their ancestry. how many hmongs actually know how to read and write their language. not many, like you, they decide to deny their past because they've found there's nothing they could be proud of.

No, That's Where You're Wrong about me.

From My Post, You made some of the Biggest assumptions.

That I, Want to Forget my Hmong Past? No I was Speaking of others, I know you were posting that to Degrade Us, Either that, or that You have No Manners what soever that you would basically Do that to make us Hmong People look like fools, more than Hmongs and Chinese look at these Forums, and if u had the manners or respect, you would've held this off until someone actually asked for this info.

Will I try to Deny my Past? No, Did it seem like my recent post say i was, No? I'm Quite sure of it.

And Did I say I not Know of This? Once Again, You Assumed Incorrectly, That I Thought we had a Glorious Past. I know of our Weakened Down and Horrible Past, what evidence in Our Recent World Doesn't Prove

You Dare Challenge My Hmong Pride??? Haha, Why Do I have Hmong Pride? Itz the Pride of My people, And all Da Shyt they've gone through, and how Surprising, That We...Are Still Here Today. You even know of the stuff we went through seeing as you seem to be such a Historian in the Asian World, and Datz where Da Pride Comes From.

And of Your Last Part, Do You Care? Do You Give one damm about what we do? As long as a Hmong Person is living, the Hmong Race still exists. Deny My Language? No I Know how to Speak my Language Perfectly Clear, the writing, I haven't been Taught, But What I have been Doing is Just Reading Musical Lyrics, Listening to them, and Learning the Language on My Own. You Ask me that ?. My Answer is Yes. But is that Really Relevant to the situation? Do You have to, so I Say, Even Make the Hmong Culture Look even Worse than what it already is? Again, Your Manners and Respect for Others is Shown Openly once again, That you want to hit the Hmong People Hard with What is the Truth, Although, I repeat, the Truth, and Past, is best Forgotten by Most Others. And to Make this More clearly so I don't seem as blunt as I was before, and so I don't get as a ridiculous Post as you did before, I Will Never, Ever, Forget, What My Ancestors Went through, what they deserve, nor Will I ever, Forget the Language I speak, nor Let it Die Off inside of me.

I'd Rather be More Proud of, a Group that Lived Through H3ll, Lost Many Wars, Forcefully Migrated to Other Areas and banned from a country, and Still, BE LIVING, Alive today, Culture still exists in a certain amount of people, then to be Proud of a Dominant Group in the World. And Do You Not Dare, Say I am of a Lower Page That You are On, or to any Extent of that Such, nor Repeat that about my Ancestors.

Thanx. As Always, Hmong Pride, Will Always Exist within Me, No Matter the Situation, No Matter the Consequences, No Matter, the Past, Present, Or Soon to Come Future.

alllllrighty then...

this thread is started and whatever...whoever gots history to post then post so the ones who wants to read can read...those who don't then don't...this thread says hmong history so i came in here to read about hmong history either good or bad...I love my peoples...because they have been through so much and still they go on...thats impressive...so I want to know everything about them to see who did what and make judgments for myself...

Hello..!.We are talking about the HISTORY! Not today damit.....
The Topic name said it all.....get it..

MidWest, I made that post because You Peepz[including u] are Fighting in This Thread, and I attempted to Stop it.

Apparently, the maker wanted to argue with me as well, and There's nothing I can do but to stand my ground with what I have to say to his Argument.

Which the maker is me?? rite???if so....go on.

[SIZE=7]Okay I don't care what you chineese people say about us hmongs but let me put it this way we lived in china first and I can prove it even one of your chineese site's say so too. Here it is the site to prove what I am say isn't a lie !Click here to learn the truth and stop these lies from the chineese's people about the hmong history!
So stop feeding your lies to the hmong people we know your government knows the truth and is trying to destroy all the evidence it has left to prove that we were in china first then your people pushed us out of our own true home lands! [SIZE=7]