Full Version: Osama bin Laden DEAD
QUOTE (bioshock @ May 2 2011, 05:01 AM) 
How will the Islamic world react to this news?
Osama biin Laden was killed by American special forces in Pakistan and buried at sea according to Muslim rites.
You are late Elle :P
Also one of Kaddafi's son died.
But what has this all to do with Indonesia?
Also one of Kaddafi's son died.
But what has this all to do with Indonesia?
Raw Video: Crowds Cheer Outside White House
Celebrations outside White House
OSAMA IS DEAD - World Trade Center Crowd Celebrates - 5-1-11
World Trade Center Crowd Celebrates - 5-1-11 - Part 2
Celebration in ground zero after death of bin laden
Crowd singing the National Anthem at Ground Zero
Umass Amherst Fireworks after Osama Bin Laden's Death
"Osama is Dead" Revelry at PSU
Lightpole jump at PSU riot
Ohio State Students Singing "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" in Mirror Lake
Mirror Lake for America
Iowa State University Osama Bin Laden Death
Radford University Street Rally Bin Laden is Dead
College kids of Boston Celebrate the death of Osama Bin Laden!!!
Illinois State University Death March reaction to Osama Bin Laden
Mizzou students celebrate death of Osama Bin Laden
Osama Bin Laden Killed 5-1-2011, Equip 2 Endure
Binghamton University March, celebrating Osama bin laden death
Penn State After Bin Laden's Death
US Naval Academy
Celebrations outside White House
OSAMA IS DEAD - World Trade Center Crowd Celebrates - 5-1-11
World Trade Center Crowd Celebrates - 5-1-11 - Part 2
Celebration in ground zero after death of bin laden
Crowd singing the National Anthem at Ground Zero
Umass Amherst Fireworks after Osama Bin Laden's Death
"Osama is Dead" Revelry at PSU
Lightpole jump at PSU riot
Ohio State Students Singing "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" in Mirror Lake
Mirror Lake for America
Iowa State University Osama Bin Laden Death
Radford University Street Rally Bin Laden is Dead
College kids of Boston Celebrate the death of Osama Bin Laden!!!
Illinois State University Death March reaction to Osama Bin Laden
Mizzou students celebrate death of Osama Bin Laden
Osama Bin Laden Killed 5-1-2011, Equip 2 Endure
Binghamton University March, celebrating Osama bin laden death
Penn State After Bin Laden's Death
US Naval Academy
QUOTE (elleX0 @ May 2 2011, 12:36 PM)
Osama biin Laden was killed by American special forces in Pakistan and buried at sea according to Muslim rites.
where's the evidence?
QUOTE (mya89 @ May 2 2011, 01:21 PM)
where's the evidence?
mya89, If you believe Barack Obama's Birth Certificate, then you MUST BELIEVE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT that Osama is dead.
Del: You really screwed up. Two of Osama's grand children are dead. The Americans killed two innocent kids. Isn't that a crime? You must be sleeping?
seems like they have a chance to take him alive. but the navy seals were too trigger happy.
Not only that, they destroyed all the evidence.
They ditched the body and torched the compound.
They ditched the body and torched the compound.
I can't see how you can draw that conclusion about me. I just doubted it had something to do with Indonesia.
And why are you even surprised Americans killed innocent people? I mean, whole Pakistan and Afghanistan is like Sodom and Gomorrah according to many Americans. Just like in the bible, god burned down the whole civilization, including children. In the old testament children were never spared. Job's children, sodom children and in Egypt the firstborn children were first to die.
And why are you even surprised Americans killed innocent people? I mean, whole Pakistan and Afghanistan is like Sodom and Gomorrah according to many Americans. Just like in the bible, god burned down the whole civilization, including children. In the old testament children were never spared. Job's children, sodom children and in Egypt the firstborn children were first to die.
they quickly buried the body at sea 'cause the US doesn't want to hold onto a war trophy that will further incide muslims. it de-martyrizes him.
muslim extremists would love it if his body was paraded around. they want in induldge themselves in anger.
now they can't.
muslim extremists would love it if his body was paraded around. they want in induldge themselves in anger.
now they can't.
The Ability to Kill Osama Bin Laden Does Not Make America Great
Monday, May 2 2011
Osama Bin Laden, evil incarnate, has justified so, so much American violence in the 21st century. We have launched two wars and executed God knows how many covert military operations in the ethereal, never-ending fight he personifies. We have made racial profiling of Muslim Americans normative, turned an already broken immigration system into an arm of national defense, and reversed decades worth of hard-won civil liberties while pursuing him, dead or alive. We have abandoned even the conceit of respect for human rights in places stretching from Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo Bay in the course of hunting him down. Now, finally, the devil is dead.
Upon the news of this victory, crowds gathered in front of the White House and at Ground Zero to chant “U.S.A.! U.S.A!” It was as if we’d just won an Olympic hockey game, rather than capped a decade worth of war and recession with a singular act of violence.
“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”
How perverse. President Obama is the leader of a nation in which justice is but a distant dream for millions of residents. He leads a nation that can afford billions of dollars annually for war but cannot feed the nearly 18 million children who lived in homes without food security in 2009. And yet, the Nobel Peace Prize winner can fix his mouth to say that killing a man on the other side of the globe provides proof of America’s exceptionalism.
The gap between rhetoric and reality has long been a defining trait of American life. Lies about our values have shielded us from the brutal facts of our nation ever since we built it on the back of genocide and slavery. But it is in times like these that the dissonance becomes unbearable.
The president says we can do anything we want because we can kill. We could not stop poverty rates from spiraling upward to a record-setting 14.3 percent of Americans in 2009, but we can kill so we are exceptional. One in four black and Latino families live below the poverty line now, and as a result America’s child poverty rate—one in five kids—is the second worst among rich nations, behind Mexico. But we can kill, so we are great.
Fourteen million Americans are out of work, nearly a third of them for more than a year. The Depression-like jobs crises in black neighborhoods around the country have become so acceptable as to be literally unremarkable in national news media. When overall joblessness inched downward in March, the fact that black unemployment increased, again, was greeted with callous shrugs from the White House to CNN. But America is exceptional because we can kill.
Our economy is defined by greed. The top 1 percent of earners take home a quarter of income in this country. Wall Street banks are logging record profits while the Treasury Department professes helplessness at the fact that tens of millions of people are still losing their homes to those banks. Because of that foreclosure crisis, the stunning racial wealth gap—the typical black family has a dime for a dollar of wealth held by its white counterpart—will surely grow worse. The White House is paralyzed with inaction in the face of all of these challenges. But it can kill, so we are great.
We have the world’s most expensive health care system, and yet in 2009 infant mortality in the U.S. was higher than in 29 other countries and the worst among rich nations. Why? In large part because the infant mortality rate is so high among black and Latina women. We cannot find justice for them, but we can kill and call it justice.
We have a $14 trillion deficit. A massive giveaway to defense contractors lurks inside that number—a transfer of public funds that has been justified, in ways both explicit and implicit, by the evil visage of Osama Bin Laden. And now, Washington is as likely as not to make up the loss by taking apart the safety net that once created something like economic justice in America. But the president would like us to agree that we are great because we can kill.
“May God bless the United States of America,” Obama declared last night, a sentiment echoed by so many today. Indeed. But the familiar refrain feels to me more like an urgent plea for forgiveness than the triumphant war cry that it is.
colorlines.com
Makes no difference. America remains the world's biggest terrorist; killing millions of innocent civilians in the name of freedom and human rights when in truth it is about protecting America's interest. The decision makers are in Washington, elected by Americans, and the soldiers are Americans, all willing and happy to commit atrocities in the support of their elected leaders' decisions. They would do the same if Washington decide to nuke Chinese cities and tens of billions of Chinese. No reason therefore why I should rejoice with the Americans. What is 3,000 plus Americans and American-sucking foreigners compared with the millions killed by America all over the world? Down with Pax Americana!
Monday, May 2 2011
Osama Bin Laden, evil incarnate, has justified so, so much American violence in the 21st century. We have launched two wars and executed God knows how many covert military operations in the ethereal, never-ending fight he personifies. We have made racial profiling of Muslim Americans normative, turned an already broken immigration system into an arm of national defense, and reversed decades worth of hard-won civil liberties while pursuing him, dead or alive. We have abandoned even the conceit of respect for human rights in places stretching from Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo Bay in the course of hunting him down. Now, finally, the devil is dead.
Upon the news of this victory, crowds gathered in front of the White House and at Ground Zero to chant “U.S.A.! U.S.A!” It was as if we’d just won an Olympic hockey game, rather than capped a decade worth of war and recession with a singular act of violence.
“Today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people,” the president declared. “We are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to,” he concluded, after insisting that the execution represents justice. “That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.”
How perverse. President Obama is the leader of a nation in which justice is but a distant dream for millions of residents. He leads a nation that can afford billions of dollars annually for war but cannot feed the nearly 18 million children who lived in homes without food security in 2009. And yet, the Nobel Peace Prize winner can fix his mouth to say that killing a man on the other side of the globe provides proof of America’s exceptionalism.
The gap between rhetoric and reality has long been a defining trait of American life. Lies about our values have shielded us from the brutal facts of our nation ever since we built it on the back of genocide and slavery. But it is in times like these that the dissonance becomes unbearable.
The president says we can do anything we want because we can kill. We could not stop poverty rates from spiraling upward to a record-setting 14.3 percent of Americans in 2009, but we can kill so we are exceptional. One in four black and Latino families live below the poverty line now, and as a result America’s child poverty rate—one in five kids—is the second worst among rich nations, behind Mexico. But we can kill, so we are great.
Fourteen million Americans are out of work, nearly a third of them for more than a year. The Depression-like jobs crises in black neighborhoods around the country have become so acceptable as to be literally unremarkable in national news media. When overall joblessness inched downward in March, the fact that black unemployment increased, again, was greeted with callous shrugs from the White House to CNN. But America is exceptional because we can kill.
Our economy is defined by greed. The top 1 percent of earners take home a quarter of income in this country. Wall Street banks are logging record profits while the Treasury Department professes helplessness at the fact that tens of millions of people are still losing their homes to those banks. Because of that foreclosure crisis, the stunning racial wealth gap—the typical black family has a dime for a dollar of wealth held by its white counterpart—will surely grow worse. The White House is paralyzed with inaction in the face of all of these challenges. But it can kill, so we are great.
We have the world’s most expensive health care system, and yet in 2009 infant mortality in the U.S. was higher than in 29 other countries and the worst among rich nations. Why? In large part because the infant mortality rate is so high among black and Latina women. We cannot find justice for them, but we can kill and call it justice.
We have a $14 trillion deficit. A massive giveaway to defense contractors lurks inside that number—a transfer of public funds that has been justified, in ways both explicit and implicit, by the evil visage of Osama Bin Laden. And now, Washington is as likely as not to make up the loss by taking apart the safety net that once created something like economic justice in America. But the president would like us to agree that we are great because we can kill.
“May God bless the United States of America,” Obama declared last night, a sentiment echoed by so many today. Indeed. But the familiar refrain feels to me more like an urgent plea for forgiveness than the triumphant war cry that it is.
colorlines.com
QUOTE (bioshock @ May 2 2011, 06:01 AM)
Makes no difference. America remains the world's biggest terrorist; killing millions of innocent civilians in the name of freedom and human rights when in truth it is about protecting America's interest. The decision makers are in Washington, elected by Americans, and the soldiers are Americans, all willing and happy to commit atrocities in the support of their elected leaders' decisions. They would do the same if Washington decide to nuke Chinese cities and tens of billions of Chinese. No reason therefore why I should rejoice with the Americans. What is 3,000 plus Americans and American-sucking foreigners compared with the millions killed by America all over the world? Down with Pax Americana!
QUOTE (GreaterChina @ May 2 2011, 10:18 AM)
Makes no difference. America remains the world's biggest terrorist; killing millions of innocent civilians in the name of freedom and human rights when it truth it is about protecting America's interest. The decision makers are in Washington, elected by Americans, and the soldiers are Americans, all willing and happy to commit atrocities in the support of their elected leaders' decisions. They would do the same if Washington decide to nuke Chinese cities and tens of billions of Chinese. No reason therefore why I should rejoice with the Americans. What is 3,000 plus Americans and American-sucking foreigners compared with the millions killed by America all over the world? Down with Pax Americana!
Whine, whine whine !
Dude, go play with yourself
QUOTE (elleX0 @ May 2 2011, 03:42 AM)
How will the Islamic world react to this news?
Reactions: Bin Laden's death
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/201...1936984209.html
Live blog: Osama bin Laden killed by US forces
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/asia/live-...illed-us-forces
Osama bin Laden killed by US forces
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas...1416432205.html
Payback, Served Cold
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/americas/2011/0...ack-served-cold
QUOTE (GreaterChina @ May 2 2011, 12:32 PM)
Makes no difference. America remains the world's biggest terrorist; killing millions of innocent civilians in the name of freedom and human rights when it truth it is about protecting America's interest. The decision makers are in Washington, elected by Americans, and the soldiers are Americans, all willing and happy to commit atrocities in the support of their elected leaders' decisions. They would do the same if Washington decide to nuke Chinese cities and tens of billions of Chinese. No reason therefore why I should rejoice with the Americans. What is 3,000 plus Americans and American-sucking foreigners compared with the millions killed by America all over the world? Down with Pax Americana!
Trooooooolll.
well, with all these people telling me this and that about Fed involvement and puppets and w/e. i dont know what to believe.
but going with the mainstream (where Bin Laden is what the media says and everything went down like they said), i think its about time. he made an attack on US soil so he should pay the price. i get the parties...but it took a decade. i dont know why Clinton is making more threats to Al Qaeda like this was a good look for the US military.
but going with the mainstream (where Bin Laden is what the media says and everything went down like they said), i think its about time. he made an attack on US soil so he should pay the price. i get the parties...but it took a decade. i dont know why Clinton is making more threats to Al Qaeda like this was a good look for the US military.
del, you are fúcked up...
QUOTE (GreaterChina @ May 2 2011, 12:18 PM)
Makes no difference. America remains the world's biggest terrorist; killing millions of innocent civilians in the name of freedom and human rights when it truth it is about protecting America's interest. The decision makers are in Washington, elected by Americans, and the soldiers are Americans, all willing and happy to commit atrocities in the support of their elected leaders' decisions. They would do the same if Washington decide to nuke Chinese cities and tens of billions of Chinese. No reason therefore why I should rejoice with the Americans. What is 3,000 plus Americans and American-sucking foreigners compared with the millions killed by America all over the world? Down with Pax Americana!
Another anti-Chinese PNAC poster, trying to make Chinese people look bad, and turn everyone into allies of America.
I mean, what else can you call someone like you, who calls the people who died on 9/11, even those who weren't innocent American civilians, "American-sucking foreigners?"
And Russia, India, Pakistan and China's rouge neighbor, North Korea all have nuclear weapons. Any of those people could also nuke China, or America, so complaining about America having nuclear weapons again just makes you look silly. Another reason why I don't think you're actually Chinese, and that you are 100% a non-Chinese person making Chinese people look bad. I mean, what other kind of troll would threadcrap a thread about the death of an international terrorist with an whiny paranoid faux Chinese nationalist rant? Chinese people aren't that stupid. Ergo, you cannot be Chinese.
EDIT: I don't know why mods allow this sort of Anti-China propaganda here that "Greater China" posts... I mean even if you don't like China that much, you still shouldn't let people like this guy slander the reputation of Chinese people. It doesn't help mankind at all and just spreads hate and hostility.
The leader is gone. But it doesn't mean an end to Al Quaeda.
QUOTE (FlyingTigers @ May 2 2011, 06:54 PM)
Another anti-Chinese PNAC poster, trying to make Chinese people look bad, and turn everyone into allies of America.
I mean, what else can you call someone like you, who calls the people who died on 9/11, even those who weren't innocent American civilians, "American-sucking foreigners?"
And Russia, India, Pakistan and China's rouge neighbor, North Korea all have nuclear weapons. Any of those people could also nuke China, or America, so complaining about America having nuclear weapons again just makes you look silly. Another reason why I don't think you're actually Chinese, and that you are 100% a non-Chinese person making Chinese people look bad. I mean, what other kind of troll would threadcrap a thread about the death of an international terrorist with an whiny paranoid faux Chinese nationalist rant? Chinese people aren't that stupid. Ergo, you cannot be Chinese.
EDIT: I don't know why mods allow this sort of Anti-China propaganda here that "Greater China" posts... I mean even if you don't like China that much, you still shouldn't let people like this guy slander the reputation of Chinese people. It doesn't help mankind at all and just spreads hate and hostility.
I mean, what else can you call someone like you, who calls the people who died on 9/11, even those who weren't innocent American civilians, "American-sucking foreigners?"
And Russia, India, Pakistan and China's rouge neighbor, North Korea all have nuclear weapons. Any of those people could also nuke China, or America, so complaining about America having nuclear weapons again just makes you look silly. Another reason why I don't think you're actually Chinese, and that you are 100% a non-Chinese person making Chinese people look bad. I mean, what other kind of troll would threadcrap a thread about the death of an international terrorist with an whiny paranoid faux Chinese nationalist rant? Chinese people aren't that stupid. Ergo, you cannot be Chinese.
EDIT: I don't know why mods allow this sort of Anti-China propaganda here that "Greater China" posts... I mean even if you don't like China that much, you still shouldn't let people like this guy slander the reputation of Chinese people. It doesn't help mankind at all and just spreads hate and hostility.
i think its dewdrop again. he is very irritating
all I got to say is
REST IN HELL OSAMA!
REST IN HELL OSAMA!
Actually some still believe Bin Laden might still be alive:
PKS Leader Not Convinced Bin Laden Killed
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/pks-le...n-killed/438742
I bet that Dutch born Indon (DEL) might just be one of these erwtbreins. In anycase Bin Laden will be elevated by many Muslims as a martyr and the ball is already rolling, read here:
Indonesian Radical Group Hails Bin Laden 'Martyr'
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indone...n-martyr/438730
There will be more attacks and deathas paybacks for Bin Laden's death and non Muslims are bracing themselves. One can only hope non Muslims and Churches will not be targeted. Even in IND security is hightened:
Indonesia Raises Security Against Militant Attacks
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indone...-attacks/438815
No doubt security has been increased in Londonistan and all over Eurabia.
PKS Leader Not Convinced Bin Laden Killed
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/pks-le...n-killed/438742
I bet that Dutch born Indon (DEL) might just be one of these erwtbreins. In anycase Bin Laden will be elevated by many Muslims as a martyr and the ball is already rolling, read here:
Indonesian Radical Group Hails Bin Laden 'Martyr'
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indone...n-martyr/438730
There will be more attacks and deathas paybacks for Bin Laden's death and non Muslims are bracing themselves. One can only hope non Muslims and Churches will not be targeted. Even in IND security is hightened:
Indonesia Raises Security Against Militant Attacks
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/indone...-attacks/438815
No doubt security has been increased in Londonistan and all over Eurabia.
I wonder what the 72 virgins in Syurga will say to Bin Laden? That monster used one of his many wives as a human shield.
Read here: Bin Laden’s wife used as human shield
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpo...STuZF_blog.html
Does anyone knows how many children and wives Bin Laden had exactly? According to the BBC news he left 52 children from 11 wives behind.
Read here: Bin Laden’s wife used as human shield
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpo...STuZF_blog.html
Does anyone knows how many children and wives Bin Laden had exactly? According to the BBC news he left 52 children from 11 wives behind.
Osama Gets His Virgins
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43275
Osama bin Laden has gone to the great bordello in the sky that awaits every good jihadi.
Barack Obama explained that the jihadist mastermind was killed in a “targeted operation: at Abbottabad, Pakistan: “A small team of Americans carried out the operation. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”
Obama also said that the killing of bin Laden was the “most significant achievement to date” in America’s war against al-Qaeda.
It is undoubtedly significant. Osama bin Laden was wildly popular in the Islamic world. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks Osama t-shirts, hats, and even dolls and action figures sold briskly in many Muslim countries, belying the mainstream media myth that 9/11 was the action of a tiny minority of extremists that had twisted and hijacked Islam, and were duly despised by the vast majority of Muslims. Polls all over the Islamic world always showed a healthy amount of support for bin Laden and, above all, respect for him as a pious mujahid
But in reality, while the death of bin Laden is fine news, and is certainly a psychological blow to the jihadis and a confidence-booster for Americans, it really won't change anything.
The role of al-Qaeda in the global jihad, and the role of Osama bin Laden in al-Qaeda, have both been wildly overstated. Al-Qaeda is not the only Islamic jihad group or Islamic supremacist group operating today, and Osama bin Laden was not some charismatic leader whose movement will collapse without him. The exaggeration of his role, in fact, was a result of the general unwillingness to face the reality that the global jihad is a movement driven by an ideology, not an outsized personality, and that that ideology is rooted in Islam.
Barack Obama epitomized that unwillingness in his address announcing the death of bin Laden. “The US is not – and never will be – at war with Islam,” Obama declared. “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims.” Osama bin Laden himself would have been surprised to be characterized (and by a leader who is probably not a Muslim himself) as “not a Muslim leader.” After all, in his 2002 letter to the American people explaining his motives and goals, he wrote: “The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43275
Osama bin Laden has gone to the great bordello in the sky that awaits every good jihadi.
Barack Obama explained that the jihadist mastermind was killed in a “targeted operation: at Abbottabad, Pakistan: “A small team of Americans carried out the operation. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”
Obama also said that the killing of bin Laden was the “most significant achievement to date” in America’s war against al-Qaeda.
It is undoubtedly significant. Osama bin Laden was wildly popular in the Islamic world. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks Osama t-shirts, hats, and even dolls and action figures sold briskly in many Muslim countries, belying the mainstream media myth that 9/11 was the action of a tiny minority of extremists that had twisted and hijacked Islam, and were duly despised by the vast majority of Muslims. Polls all over the Islamic world always showed a healthy amount of support for bin Laden and, above all, respect for him as a pious mujahid
But in reality, while the death of bin Laden is fine news, and is certainly a psychological blow to the jihadis and a confidence-booster for Americans, it really won't change anything.
The role of al-Qaeda in the global jihad, and the role of Osama bin Laden in al-Qaeda, have both been wildly overstated. Al-Qaeda is not the only Islamic jihad group or Islamic supremacist group operating today, and Osama bin Laden was not some charismatic leader whose movement will collapse without him. The exaggeration of his role, in fact, was a result of the general unwillingness to face the reality that the global jihad is a movement driven by an ideology, not an outsized personality, and that that ideology is rooted in Islam.
Barack Obama epitomized that unwillingness in his address announcing the death of bin Laden. “The US is not – and never will be – at war with Islam,” Obama declared. “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims.” Osama bin Laden himself would have been surprised to be characterized (and by a leader who is probably not a Muslim himself) as “not a Muslim leader.” After all, in his 2002 letter to the American people explaining his motives and goals, he wrote: “The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.”
QUOTE (galvatron @ May 2 2011, 10:20 PM)
Osama Gets His Virgins
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43275
Osama bin Laden has gone to the great bordello in the sky that awaits every good jihadi.
Barack Obama explained that the jihadist mastermind was killed in a “targeted operation: at Abbottabad, Pakistan: “A small team of Americans carried out the operation. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”
Obama also said that the killing of bin Laden was the “most significant achievement to date” in America’s war against al-Qaeda.
It is undoubtedly significant. Osama bin Laden was wildly popular in the Islamic world. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks Osama t-shirts, hats, and even dolls and action figures sold briskly in many Muslim countries, belying the mainstream media myth that 9/11 was the action of a tiny minority of extremists that had twisted and hijacked Islam, and were duly despised by the vast majority of Muslims. Polls all over the Islamic world always showed a healthy amount of support for bin Laden and, above all, respect for him as a pious mujahid
But in reality, while the death of bin Laden is fine news, and is certainly a psychological blow to the jihadis and a confidence-booster for Americans, it really won't change anything.
The role of al-Qaeda in the global jihad, and the role of Osama bin Laden in al-Qaeda, have both been wildly overstated. Al-Qaeda is not the only Islamic jihad group or Islamic supremacist group operating today, and Osama bin Laden was not some charismatic leader whose movement will collapse without him. The exaggeration of his role, in fact, was a result of the general unwillingness to face the reality that the global jihad is a movement driven by an ideology, not an outsized personality, and that that ideology is rooted in Islam.
Barack Obama epitomized that unwillingness in his address announcing the death of bin Laden. “The US is not – and never will be – at war with Islam,” Obama declared. “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims.” Osama bin Laden himself would have been surprised to be characterized (and by a leader who is probably not a Muslim himself) as “not a Muslim leader.” After all, in his 2002 letter to the American people explaining his motives and goals, he wrote: “The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43275
Osama bin Laden has gone to the great bordello in the sky that awaits every good jihadi.
Barack Obama explained that the jihadist mastermind was killed in a “targeted operation: at Abbottabad, Pakistan: “A small team of Americans carried out the operation. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”
Obama also said that the killing of bin Laden was the “most significant achievement to date” in America’s war against al-Qaeda.
It is undoubtedly significant. Osama bin Laden was wildly popular in the Islamic world. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks Osama t-shirts, hats, and even dolls and action figures sold briskly in many Muslim countries, belying the mainstream media myth that 9/11 was the action of a tiny minority of extremists that had twisted and hijacked Islam, and were duly despised by the vast majority of Muslims. Polls all over the Islamic world always showed a healthy amount of support for bin Laden and, above all, respect for him as a pious mujahid
But in reality, while the death of bin Laden is fine news, and is certainly a psychological blow to the jihadis and a confidence-booster for Americans, it really won't change anything.
The role of al-Qaeda in the global jihad, and the role of Osama bin Laden in al-Qaeda, have both been wildly overstated. Al-Qaeda is not the only Islamic jihad group or Islamic supremacist group operating today, and Osama bin Laden was not some charismatic leader whose movement will collapse without him. The exaggeration of his role, in fact, was a result of the general unwillingness to face the reality that the global jihad is a movement driven by an ideology, not an outsized personality, and that that ideology is rooted in Islam.
Barack Obama epitomized that unwillingness in his address announcing the death of bin Laden. “The US is not – and never will be – at war with Islam,” Obama declared. “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims.” Osama bin Laden himself would have been surprised to be characterized (and by a leader who is probably not a Muslim himself) as “not a Muslim leader.” After all, in his 2002 letter to the American people explaining his motives and goals, he wrote: “The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.”
totally agreed. bin laden is just one man and his persona was getting kind of old anyway. someone else will proabbly take his place
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Indonesian Radical Group Hails Bin Laden 'Martyr'
May 02, 2011
Radical Indonesian Islamist group Jemaah Ansharut Tauhid (JAT) on Monday hailed assassinated Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as a "martyr" who championed Islam against America.
"If it's true Osama bin Laden is dead, then he died a martyr. He fought for Islam and he fought for the lands colonized by America," JAT spokesman Son Hadi told AFP.
"Al Qaeda didn't die with him. Jihad will not be dampened just because he's dead because jihad is a command of the religion, not of individuals," he added.
JAT was founded in 2008 by firebrand cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, who is standing trial for leading and financing a militant group that was discovered training recruits in Aceh province last year.
The hardline Muslim cleric on Monday said the killing of Osama bin Laden would create disaster as many would retaliate, because Osama was a great cleric and mujahidin
“Obama said that America was not hostile against Islam, but this a big lie,” Bashir said, as quoted by his personal aide, Hasyim Abdullah.
Bashir, together with Abdullah Sungkar, reportedly met with Osama in Afghanistan in 1980.
The 72-year-old Bashir has long been known as the spiritual leader of the Al Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) network blamed for multiple attacks including the 2002 Bali bombings which killed 202 people, mainly Western tourists.
Bashir denies any involvement in terrorism and claims he is being framed by the United States and its allies including Australia and "the Jews".
The Islamic teacher, whose former students read like a who's-who of Indonesian extremism, served almost 26 months behind bars for the Bali bombings but his conviction was overturned after his release in 2006.
Police say JAT was a front for a new campaign of terrorism in Indonesia.
AFP, JG
May 02, 2011
Radical Indonesian Islamist group Jemaah Ansharut Tauhid (JAT) on Monday hailed assassinated Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as a "martyr" who championed Islam against America.
"If it's true Osama bin Laden is dead, then he died a martyr. He fought for Islam and he fought for the lands colonized by America," JAT spokesman Son Hadi told AFP.
"Al Qaeda didn't die with him. Jihad will not be dampened just because he's dead because jihad is a command of the religion, not of individuals," he added.
JAT was founded in 2008 by firebrand cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, who is standing trial for leading and financing a militant group that was discovered training recruits in Aceh province last year.
The hardline Muslim cleric on Monday said the killing of Osama bin Laden would create disaster as many would retaliate, because Osama was a great cleric and mujahidin
“Obama said that America was not hostile against Islam, but this a big lie,” Bashir said, as quoted by his personal aide, Hasyim Abdullah.
Bashir, together with Abdullah Sungkar, reportedly met with Osama in Afghanistan in 1980.
The 72-year-old Bashir has long been known as the spiritual leader of the Al Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) network blamed for multiple attacks including the 2002 Bali bombings which killed 202 people, mainly Western tourists.
Bashir denies any involvement in terrorism and claims he is being framed by the United States and its allies including Australia and "the Jews".
The Islamic teacher, whose former students read like a who's-who of Indonesian extremism, served almost 26 months behind bars for the Bali bombings but his conviction was overturned after his release in 2006.
Police say JAT was a front for a new campaign of terrorism in Indonesia.
AFP, JG
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What will Indonesian Muslims do about this killing of Osama bin Laden?
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‘The Terrorists Will Try to Avenge Him’
May 03, 2011
Washington & Abbottabad, Pakistan. The head of US intelligence on Monday warned the world to be on high alert after the killing of Al Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden.
CIA director Leon Panetta added that Al Qaeda would “almost certainly” try to avenge Bin Laden’s shooting by US troops in Pakistan on Monday.
“Though Bin Laden is dead, Al Qaeda is not. The terrorists almost certainly will attempt to avenge him, and we must — and will — remain vigilant and resolute,” Panetta said.
Separately, the Special Forces team that hunted down the terrorist leader in Pakistan was under specific orders to kill and not capture him, a US national security official has revealed. “This was a kill operation,” he said.
Bin Laden was killed in a US helicopter raid on a mansion compound near the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, early on Monday morning, ending a decade-long worldwide hunt for the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Late on Monday, two US government officials said DNA evidence had proven that one of the men killed in the raid was indeed Bin Laden with 99.9 percent confidence. They did not immediately say where or how the testing was done.
Many analysts see Bin Laden’s death as largely symbolic, since he was no longer believed to have been issuing operational orders to the many autonomous Al Qaeda affiliates around the world.
Fearful of revenge attacks, the United States swiftly issued security warnings to Americans all over the world.
Meanwhile, an Internet outlet for official messages from Al Qaeda has acknowledged its leader’s killing and eulogized him as a knight who sacrificed his soul and money to fight the United States, US monitoring group SITE said on Monday.
Asad al-Jihad 2, a prominent member of the jihadist Web community, commended Bin Laden for leading a campaign against the United States and its allies, the group’s English translation said.
“Islam was fought for centuries and attacked from all sides, so our knight was a dam against them; he thwarted them with his chest, as a mujahid, with his soul and money, and he got nothing in return,” Asad al-Jihad 2 said.
US President Barack Obama, whose domestic popularity has been hit hard by political gridlock and rising gasoline prices, will likely see a short-term bounce in his approval ratings. But he may also come under more pressure from Americans to speed up a planned withdrawal of US forces from the unpopular war in Afghanistan, begun in late 2001.
A source familiar with the operation said Bin Laden was shot in the head by Navy Seals. A senior US official in Washington said he was killed in a firefight while trying to resist the assault force.
Two other officials, speaking anonymously, said Bin Laden was buried at sea. A third said this was to prevent a grave site on land becoming a shrine for followers.
“Justice has been done,” Obama declared in a dramatic late-night White House speech announcing the death of the elusive head of the militant Islamic group behind a series of deadly bombings across the world. Thousands of jubilant, flag-waving Americans thronged outside the White House and in the streets of New York after the statement.
It was the biggest national security victory for the president since he took office in early 2009 and will make it hard for Republicans to portray Democrats as weak on security as he seeks re-election in 2012.
In sharp contrast, on the streets of Saudi Arabia, Bin Laden’s native land which stripped him of his citizenship after Sept. 11, there was a mood of disbelief and sorrow among many.
The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas mourned Bin Laden as an “Arab holy warrior.” But many in the Arab world felt his death was long overdue.
A US official said Pakistani authorities were told the details of the raid only afterward.
The revelation that Bin Laden was living in style close to the Pakistani capital and not hiding in mountain caves as popularly believed, will hugely embarrass Pakistani officials, who will be under intense pressure to explain how he could have been living right under their noses.
Residents in Abbottabad said a Pakistani military training academy is near the compound.
In a sign of tensions to come, India lashed out at its arch-foe, saying that the fact the manhunt ended at a luxurious villa north of Islamabad was further evidence that militants find “sanctuary” in Pakistan.
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari convened emergency talks with his prime minister and security chiefs in Islamabad — a mere two hours’ drive from Bin Laden’s place of death.
World leaders’ acclamation of the killing was tempered by acknowledgement that Al Qaeda could yet strike back.
Malaysia’s prime minister joined in warnings that Bin Laden’s death may not mean the end of the global terror network, saying he would remain a figurehead for jihadists.
“This does not mean Al Qaeda will be destroyed, as they are capable of reorganizing and he will remain an inspiration to such militants,” Najib Razak said.
In Afghanistan, the fulcrum of Obama’s predecessor George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” and the country where Bin Laden had found shelter in the late 1990s, President Hamid Karzai said Bin Laden had “paid for his actions.”
Reuters, AFP, AP
May 03, 2011
Washington & Abbottabad, Pakistan. The head of US intelligence on Monday warned the world to be on high alert after the killing of Al Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden.
CIA director Leon Panetta added that Al Qaeda would “almost certainly” try to avenge Bin Laden’s shooting by US troops in Pakistan on Monday.
“Though Bin Laden is dead, Al Qaeda is not. The terrorists almost certainly will attempt to avenge him, and we must — and will — remain vigilant and resolute,” Panetta said.
Separately, the Special Forces team that hunted down the terrorist leader in Pakistan was under specific orders to kill and not capture him, a US national security official has revealed. “This was a kill operation,” he said.
Bin Laden was killed in a US helicopter raid on a mansion compound near the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, early on Monday morning, ending a decade-long worldwide hunt for the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Late on Monday, two US government officials said DNA evidence had proven that one of the men killed in the raid was indeed Bin Laden with 99.9 percent confidence. They did not immediately say where or how the testing was done.
Many analysts see Bin Laden’s death as largely symbolic, since he was no longer believed to have been issuing operational orders to the many autonomous Al Qaeda affiliates around the world.
Fearful of revenge attacks, the United States swiftly issued security warnings to Americans all over the world.
Meanwhile, an Internet outlet for official messages from Al Qaeda has acknowledged its leader’s killing and eulogized him as a knight who sacrificed his soul and money to fight the United States, US monitoring group SITE said on Monday.
Asad al-Jihad 2, a prominent member of the jihadist Web community, commended Bin Laden for leading a campaign against the United States and its allies, the group’s English translation said.
“Islam was fought for centuries and attacked from all sides, so our knight was a dam against them; he thwarted them with his chest, as a mujahid, with his soul and money, and he got nothing in return,” Asad al-Jihad 2 said.
US President Barack Obama, whose domestic popularity has been hit hard by political gridlock and rising gasoline prices, will likely see a short-term bounce in his approval ratings. But he may also come under more pressure from Americans to speed up a planned withdrawal of US forces from the unpopular war in Afghanistan, begun in late 2001.
A source familiar with the operation said Bin Laden was shot in the head by Navy Seals. A senior US official in Washington said he was killed in a firefight while trying to resist the assault force.
Two other officials, speaking anonymously, said Bin Laden was buried at sea. A third said this was to prevent a grave site on land becoming a shrine for followers.
“Justice has been done,” Obama declared in a dramatic late-night White House speech announcing the death of the elusive head of the militant Islamic group behind a series of deadly bombings across the world. Thousands of jubilant, flag-waving Americans thronged outside the White House and in the streets of New York after the statement.
It was the biggest national security victory for the president since he took office in early 2009 and will make it hard for Republicans to portray Democrats as weak on security as he seeks re-election in 2012.
In sharp contrast, on the streets of Saudi Arabia, Bin Laden’s native land which stripped him of his citizenship after Sept. 11, there was a mood of disbelief and sorrow among many.
The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas mourned Bin Laden as an “Arab holy warrior.” But many in the Arab world felt his death was long overdue.
A US official said Pakistani authorities were told the details of the raid only afterward.
The revelation that Bin Laden was living in style close to the Pakistani capital and not hiding in mountain caves as popularly believed, will hugely embarrass Pakistani officials, who will be under intense pressure to explain how he could have been living right under their noses.
Residents in Abbottabad said a Pakistani military training academy is near the compound.
In a sign of tensions to come, India lashed out at its arch-foe, saying that the fact the manhunt ended at a luxurious villa north of Islamabad was further evidence that militants find “sanctuary” in Pakistan.
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari convened emergency talks with his prime minister and security chiefs in Islamabad — a mere two hours’ drive from Bin Laden’s place of death.
World leaders’ acclamation of the killing was tempered by acknowledgement that Al Qaeda could yet strike back.
Malaysia’s prime minister joined in warnings that Bin Laden’s death may not mean the end of the global terror network, saying he would remain a figurehead for jihadists.
“This does not mean Al Qaeda will be destroyed, as they are capable of reorganizing and he will remain an inspiration to such militants,” Najib Razak said.
In Afghanistan, the fulcrum of Obama’s predecessor George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” and the country where Bin Laden had found shelter in the late 1990s, President Hamid Karzai said Bin Laden had “paid for his actions.”
Reuters, AFP, AP
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I... don't know what to say...
QUOTE (benteunerz36 @ May 4 2011, 09:00 AM)
I... don't know what to say...
benteunerz, as you are posting from the Philippines, it is difficult for me to consider you as a Christian or a Muslim. But let me make this observation about Osama's death.
Osama was a Muslim. He acted and carried out his duties to Allah as a Muslim. He has, in my view, not violated any of the codes of Islam. So I died as a Martyr. Was he justly killed by Islamic standards?
QUOTE (elleX0 @ May 2 2011, 03:42 PM)
How will the Islamic world react to this news?
Worldwide protests in Islamic World and communities as seen on TV.
QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ May 4 2011, 10:58 AM)
totally agreed. bin laden is just one man and his persona was getting kind of old anyway. someone else will proabbly take his place
The US army has obtained the computer files. I don't know what impact will the data make on al-Qaeda.
QUOTE (windsurfer @ May 6 2011, 09:01 PM)
Worldwide protests in Islamic World and communities as seen on TV.
Yes, the Muslims are angry because an Islamic Jihadist was killed prematurely. They will have to get some sort of revenge, but where and how?
The US army has obtained the computer files. I don't know what impact will the data make on al-Qaeda.
Yes, the Muslims are angry because an Islamic Jihadist was killed prematurely. They will have to get some sort of revenge, but where and how?
The US army has obtained the computer files. I don't know what impact will the data make on al-Qaeda.
The computer files will have names and messages and maybe addresses of Osama's closest contacts. Also it will provide evidence of their role in Islamic Jihadism. All essential information for the CIA.
good riddance!
lol@ the fact that he was caught living right among pakistani generals in an ISI(pakisani intelligence agency) safe house!. Pakistan helped him hide for sure
lol@ the fact that he was caught living right among pakistani generals in an ISI(pakisani intelligence agency) safe house!. Pakistan helped him hide for sure
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