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Red Fox Ace
Taiwan planning to replace aging torpedoes: Defense News

http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_Det...ID=201105170048

2011/05/17 23:03:56 Washington, May 16 (CNA)

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Of the total budget, US$300 million will be used to buy 600 Mk54 lightweight hybrid torpedoes to replace Mk46 anti-submarine torpedoes, the report said.

In addition, US$160 million will be spent on the purchase of 40 Mk48 heavyweight submarine-launched torpedoes designed to sink fast, deep-diving nuclear-powered submarines and high-performance surface ships.
KraterosHellas
they are building castles on the sand. hope this is just role-playing to get the US to reveal more secrets.
Red Fox Ace
QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ May 18 2011, 12:04 AM) *
they are building castles on the sand.



How so?
progen

No matter what Taiwan purchases from the US, Taiwan, in a real war, is no match to PRC.

Therefore the purchases are really there to make US happy, with no real military purposes.



Red Fox Ace
QUOTE (progen @ May 22 2011, 09:46 AM) *
No matter what Taiwan purchases from the US, Taiwan, in a real war, is no match to PRC.



If that's what you want to believe, sure. *shrug *
Raejel
Wouldn't this be the best time for China to re-engage with its neighbors in a mutual relationship partner's? Just in case the U.S mingle with your neighbors to create a for seen future Guerrilla warfare. It is a possibility as we can see now.
badparticle
QUOTE (progen @ May 22 2011, 09:46 AM) *
No matter what Taiwan purchases from the US, Taiwan, in a real war, is no match to PRC.

Therefore the purchases are really there to make US happy, with no real military purposes.


Learn from the 3rd Reich. Chinese Fascism is still fascism. Go ahead and annex your tiny neighbours and a couple of years later you'll have permanant U.S. military bases in Shanghai.

lol. neo fascists still believe in annexation just like they believe in medieval dynasties.

===
It is a bait.. try not to bite it. That's all I'm saying.
progen
QUOTE (Red Fox Ace @ May 22 2011, 11:24 AM) *
If that's what you want to believe, sure. *shrug *


What can Taiwan buy to make it invincible? Just wondering.
progen
QUOTE (badparticle @ May 22 2011, 10:43 PM) *
Learn from the 3rd Reich. Chinese Fascism is still fascism. Go ahead and annex your tiny neighbours and a couple of years later you'll have permanant U.S. military bases in Shanghai.

lol. neo fascists still believe in annexation just like they believe in medieval dynasties.

===
It is a bait.. try not to bite it. That's all I'm saying.


Are you living in the 21st century?
Red Fox Ace
QUOTE (progen @ May 23 2011, 11:32 AM) *
What can Taiwan buy to make it invincible? Just wondering.



If you can tell me what China could build or buy that would make it invincible, I'll tell you what could make Taiwan invincible.

progen
QUOTE (Red Fox Ace @ May 23 2011, 05:53 PM) *
If you can tell me what China could build or buy that would make it invincible, I'll tell you what could make Taiwan invincible.


I don't think any country in its right mind would think of attacking China today.

Taiwan...., well, it is just not in the same league.

Nothing it buys from the US would really make a difference. The difference is not Taiwan but US.
badparticle
QUOTE (progen @ May 23 2011, 09:50 PM) *
Nothing it buys from the US would really make a difference. The difference is not Taiwan but US.


I'm sure it will make a difference to the the hostile ships or submarines lurking around Taiwan. That's good enough.
zoopiter
QUOTE (progen @ May 24 2011, 10:50 AM) *
I don't think any country in its right mind would think of attacking China today.


taiwan dun have the intention of attacking china.
Kstragist
QUOTE (badparticle @ May 22 2011, 09:43 PM) *
Learn from the 3rd Reich. Chinese Fascism is still fascism. Go ahead and annex your tiny neighbours and a couple of years later you'll have permanant U.S. military bases in Shanghai.

lol. neo fascists still believe in annexation just like they believe in medieval dynasties.

===
It is a bait.. try not to bite it. That's all I'm saying.


I don't know whether you're a trendy or window dressing, you're giving fascism a bad name. China is a bolshevic country with no freedom of speech or human rights.
Kstragist
QUOTE (progen @ May 23 2011, 08:50 PM) *
I don't think any country in its right mind would think of attacking China today.

Taiwan...., well, it is just not in the same league.

Nothing it buys from the US would really make a difference. The difference is not Taiwan but US.


If Taiwan wants to remain an independent nation, at least it needs to diplay to the whole world, particulary to the U.S., that it has a strong will to do so.
Like the German tank-buster ace of the WW2 Hans Rudel said, "Only he is lost who gives himself up to be lost."
SkyBurial
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Jun 3 2011, 06:24 PM) *
I don't know whether you're a trendy or window dressing, you're giving fascism a bad name. China is a bolshevic country with no freedom of speech or human rights.

Please get your facts straight before you start labeling an another country.
zoopiter
QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Jun 4 2011, 08:55 AM) *
Please get your facts straight before you start labeling an another country.


wouldn't you be kinder and more constructive to make the correction that u think is correct, directly on the post, rather than at the person.
badparticle
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Jun 3 2011, 06:24 PM) *
I don't know whether you're a trendy or window dressing, you're giving fascism a bad name. China is a bolshevic country with no freedom of speech or human rights.


All I'm trying to say is that China should not be dissatisfied with where she's at in the Anglo-American world order.
Germany did that, Russia did that , and Japan been there done that. Chinese had been jumping from extreme right to left and from left to right(now) for 100 years. They refuse the middle.

Which is fine if China does its own thing internally. But any extra territorial claim is a big no-no in the world order.




badparticle
Please note that with each fail attempt to challenge the incumbent world power, the challenger's share of pie gets "re-configured"

Last time, the Empire of Japan challenged the world order and as a result, the following arrangement was made to the territories of the Empire:

Japan proper( whole, militarily occupied, full nation status but constitutionally humiliated)
Korea (divided by half, militarily occupied, full nation status)
Formosa (whole, militarily unoccupied, half-nation status)


So back to the topic. Torpedoes made in U.S.A. are made with the intention to sink ships that are against the U.S.A. It doesn't matter where the torpedoes are deployed. It doesn't matter who fires the torpedoes.
freezingpoint
QUOTE (badparticle @ Jun 6 2011, 05:38 PM) *
Please note that with each fail attempt to challenge the incumbent world power, the challenger's share of pie gets "re-configured"

Last time, the Empire of Japan challenged the world order and as a result, the following arrangement was made to the territories of the Empire:

Japan proper( whole, militarily occupied, full nation status but constitutionally humiliated)
Korea (divided by half, militarily occupied, full nation status)
Formosa (whole, militarily unoccupied, half-nation status)


So back to the topic. Torpedoes made in U.S.A. are made with the intention to sink ships that are against the U.S.A. It doesn't matter where the torpedoes are deployed. It doesn't matter who fires the torpedoes.


You know what will be the reconfiguration for the US if it tried?

Radioactive wasteland: NYC, Washington DC, Los Angelos, San Francisco, Chicago, Houston, Miami, Detroit, Hawaii, and many more. IRBMs can also take out all of South Korea and Japan with about 20 nukes due to their population density. Hows that sound for reconfiguration?

Sure, you can nuke us back, but the US will be permanently crippled and lose 80% of its population and 99% of its industry. If our nukes aren't enough we can nuke Russia too and force it to nuke the US to prevent US from being the sole surviving military power.
badparticle
QUOTE (freezingpoint @ Jun 6 2011, 09:36 PM) *
You know what will be the reconfiguration for the US if it tried?...

Most ICBMs launched eastward will be intercepted by sea-based kinetic Hit-To-Kill vehicles.
Most ICBMs launched westward will hit its targets. I think that's why China is building lots of submarines, to travel as far to the east as possible.

The 600 torpedoes are routine upgrades. The purpose is to make sure that the seas around this area are safe from hostile Chinese submarines and ships.

China has about 200, 250 warships in total so that's 2 torpedoes for each Chinese ship. That's quite sufficient since not all Chinese warships will be around Taiwan at any given time.



An example of state-of-the-art missile defense technology on planet Earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pViLbVTY0z0...feature=related
Just an example video for illustration purpose.
freezingpoint
QUOTE (badparticle @ Jun 7 2011, 11:59 AM) *
Most ICBMs launched eastward will be intercepted by sea-based kinetic Hit-To-Kill vehicles.
Most ICBMs launched westward will hit its targets. I think that's why China is building lots of submarines, to travel as far to the east as possible.

The 600 torpedoes are routine upgrades. The purpose is to make sure that the seas around this area are safe from hostile Chinese submarines and ships.

China has about 200, 250 warships in total so that's 2 torpedoes for each Chinese ship. That's quite sufficient since not all Chinese warships will be around Taiwan at any given time.



An example of state-of-the-art missile defense technology on planet Earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pViLbVTY0z0...feature=related
Just an example video for illustration purpose.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/15/...566818820101215

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104807

You should stop drinking the Pentagon propaganda Kool Aid and start using your head. I know not citing youtube is kinda hard for low IQ TI activists though.
badparticle
QUOTE (freezingpoint @ Jun 7 2011, 12:11 PM) *
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/15/...566818820101215

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104807

You should stop drinking the Pentagon propaganda Kool Aid and start using your head. I know not citing youtube is kinda hard for low IQ TI activists though.


Don't worry about using propaganda and psychological tactics too much. I'd say, for those who like that video and are interested in missile defense can find out more from http://www.mda.mil/. They have the latest progress. Youtube is a good source too.

Torpedos are a cost-effective way of making sure this part of the ocean is safe, just in case a revisionist power tries to gain extra territory( sea or land)


orange peel
. oops don't wanna be necromancer =P
orange peel
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