Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 09:44 AM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 07:39 AM)

*sigh* Tav6, I've seen lots of those comments here and other forums, I don't want to take time looking for them. I'm sure you've heard a lot too.
This is the second post in Trias's thread
i am still curious as to what this latina looks that u are talking about ?
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 10:00 AM
vance
Sep 10 2011, 11:13 AM
ThuongLuong
Sep 10 2011, 12:27 PM
hi hi hi, i like small eyes, they are cute:
Her eyes are just too cute~~~ mat de thuong~~~ her eyes are completely fit my taste... foxxxxxx eyes:
Well in truth miss Nguyễn is not really beautiful, but well who knows, shes completely different in my eyes, shes cute like a matured girl, especially with that eyes. So i think i'll support her.
ThuongLuong
Sep 10 2011, 12:35 PM
don't mind miss tav6, she has her taste.
Vietnames can have fox eyes which is incridible cute, while chinese only have worm-eyes or string eyes. That is the biggest different!
ThuongLuong
Sep 10 2011, 12:49 PM
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thumbsUp
Sep 10 2011, 03:02 PM
http://www.zing.vn/news/nguoi-dep/ve-dep-c...et/a126415.htmlQUOTE
Họ là những mỹ nhân, sở hữu một vẻ ngoài rất đặc biệt, nếu không giới thiệu thì ắt hẳn người đối diện sẽ khó có thể nghĩ rằng đây là những cô gái thuần Việt.
DPSlock
Sep 10 2011, 03:23 PM
QUOTE (Tav6 @ Sep 10 2011, 10:34 AM)

who said she looks like latina but u ??
u even made a big deal about how she looks fake latina in the other thread ........... and if you said that there are many people in vietnam that looks like hoang my then why do u keep on referring to hoang my looks as "latina" looking and not viet ?
LOL maybe they mean she doesn't look typical viet Tav
I doubt that look is as common as the small eyed look common in Vietnam
ElapsePride
Sep 10 2011, 03:32 PM
QUOTE (ThuongLuong @ Sep 10 2011, 12:35 PM)

don't mind miss tav6, she has her taste.
Vietnames can have fox eyes which is incridible cute, while chinese only have worm-eyes or string eyes. That is the biggest different!
Oo?
worm-eyes??
did anyone say Vietnamese and Chinese look the same? why the insult?
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 07:55 PM
Well let's not start this whole Chinese - Vietnamese $hit again.
Do you know what? There are lots of Chinese students studying at my university right now, about a few hundreds, and despite all the differences that people here impose on, you can't tell the difference between a Chinese student and a Vietnamese student here, judging by face along, even native Vietnamese can't tell and the Chinese students here can't tell themselves. I'm not sure where they're from but they all speak Mandarin, I haven't heard one speaking Cantonese, but let's give the benefit of the doubt that they're from somewhere in Southern China. People all stereotype Chinese got smaller eyes, higher nose bridge, and such, but I don't see such differences here, perhaps because variation within each population is much bigger than variation between the populations. You can say that Chinese students in general got harsher looks, but that's subjective and not really reliable. The only way to tell is the way they dress...Vietnamese students almost always wear long pants or knee-covering skirts and Chinese students wear skirts that reveal their legs more, but even that is not always reliable, because outside the school environment, especially at night, the Viet girls wear short skirts as well. But then, you can kinda rely on that distinction because there's barely any Chinese outside this university environment (most of them don't go far from university for they're not clear on direction, they can't ride motorbikes, and don't know how to take the bus, they either walk near distance or take taxi).
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (vance @ Sep 10 2011, 11:13 PM)

I'm not trying to take side or favor anyone, but to tell the truth, if you drive around Hanoi at night, most of the girls you see would have those kinds of look. In my opinion, when the girls here put on makeup and dye their hair, they tend to look like that.
When not in makeup, they look like this



Sorry got to cut out myself because I don't want to be recognized on the streets while wearing one of my favorite shirts

vance
Sep 10 2011, 08:31 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 11 2011, 08:05 AM)

I'm not trying to take side or favor anyone, but to tell the truth, if you drive around Hanoi at night, most of the girls you see would have those kinds of look. In my opinion, when the girls here put on makeup and dye their hair, they tend to look like that.
Im referring to Hoang My's look. Its rare in Hanoi, dont know about the south since I haven't been there yet.
ElapsePride
Sep 10 2011, 08:33 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 08:55 PM)

Well let's not start this whole Chinese - Vietnamese $hit again.
Do you know what? There are lots of Chinese students studying at my university right now, about a few hundreds, and despite all the differences that people here impose on, you can't tell the difference between a Chinese student and a Vietnamese student here, judging by face along, even native Vietnamese can't tell and the Chinese students here can't tell themselves. I'm not sure where they're from but they all speak Mandarin, I haven't heard one speaking Cantonese, but let's give the benefit of the doubt that they're from somewhere in Southern China. People all stereotype Chinese got smaller eyes, higher nose bridge, and such, but I don't see such differences here, perhaps because variation within each population is much bigger than variation between the populations. You can say that Chinese students in general got harsher looks, but that's subjective and not really reliable. The only way to tell is the way they dress...Vietnamese students almost always wear long pants or knee-covering skirts and Chinese students wear skirts that reveal their legs more, but even that is not always reliable, because outside the school environment, especially at night, the Viet girls wear short skirts as well. But then, you can kinda rely on that distinction because there's barely any Chinese outside this university environment (most of them don't go far from university for they're not clear on direction, they can't ride motorbikes, and don't know how to take the bus, they either walk near distance or take taxi).
you can't expect us to stay quiet when someone insulting us for no reason.
most vietnamese or should I say northern vietnamese are east asians, and also Chinese people are diverse too, of cos we share some similarities.
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 08:33 PM
@vance: I was referring to the girls you posted, not Hoang My.
@ElapsePride: I wasn't responding to you, but to ThuongLuong.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 08:34 PM
QUOTE (thumbsUp @ Sep 10 2011, 12:02 PM)

u know what is funny is that most of the girls on the list are from northern viet hoang my is half northern and ngoc khanh is 100% northern and yet that article said that they dont look "thuan viet " but there is a stereotype that northerners are the "purest" viet
contradicting much ?
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 08:37 PM
QUOTE (ElapsePride @ Sep 10 2011, 05:33 PM)

you can't expect us to stay quiet when someone insulting us for no reason.
most vietnamese or should I say northern vietnamese are east asians, and also Chinese people are diverse too, of cos we share some similarities.
uh no northern viet ARE NOT EAST ASIAN
ALOT of northern viet DO NOT LOOK LIKE What some people here likes to portrayed
and let me apologized for ThuongLuong.... he is just a little kid he doesn't know much
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 08:40 PM
There are always "outliers" in every places. Truth is Hoang My's look is quite rare in Hanoi, if I don't want to say I haven't seen any...but she's still Viet and that's all it matters. You shouldn't make a big deal because of one comment. If you want to verify, just come to Hanoi and see.
Let alone Hanoi, even in Saigon, I wouldn't say her look is the "majority" even though I've seen a number of people with Hoang My's look in Saigon.
papen
Sep 10 2011, 08:47 PM
QUOTE
u know what is funny is that most of the girls on the list are from northern viet hoang my is half northern and ngoc khanh is 100% northern and yet that article said that they dont look "thuan viet " but there is a stereotype that northerners are the "purest" viet
contradicting much ?
There's no such thing as purest viet or purest race in the present.
QUOTE
Do you know what? There are lots of Chinese students studying at my university right now, about a few hundreds, and despite all the differences that people here impose on, you can't tell the difference between a Chinese student and a Vietnamese student here, judging by face along, even native Vietnamese can't tell and the Chinese students here can't tell themselves. I'm not sure where they're from but they all speak Mandarin, I haven't heard one speaking Cantonese, but let's give the benefit of the doubt that they're from somewhere in Southern China. People all stereotype Chinese got smaller eyes, higher nose bridge, and such, but I don't see such differences here, perhaps because variation within each population is much bigger than variation between the populations. You can say that Chinese students in general got harsher looks, but that's subjective and not really reliable. The only way to tell is the way they dress...Vietnamese students almost always wear long pants or knee-covering skirts and Chinese students wear skirts that reveal their legs more, but even that is not always reliable, because outside the school environment, especially at night, the Viet girls wear short skirts as well. But then, you can kinda rely on that distinction because there's barely any Chinese outside this university environment (most of them don't go far from university for they're not clear on direction, they can't ride motorbikes, and don't know how to take the bus, they either walk near distance or take taxi).
Same thing here. I sometimes hang out with my Chinese friends and outsiders can't tell if I'm Viet while the rest of the group is Chinese.
p00p00
Sep 10 2011, 08:48 PM
I can't even tell the difference between north or south Vietnamese other than the way they talk. I think northern people might be a bit lighter and probably dress up a bit better, but that's about it. Saigon or Hanoi, all look the same to me.
DPSlock
Sep 10 2011, 08:50 PM
Im guessing Hoang My might actually be an ethnic minority...
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 08:50 PM
@poopoo: Kinda true. But I think Saigonese dress better than Hanoians, just my opinion.
@Ejay: you know she's full Viet. Stop trying to instigate $hits for your agenda
p00p00
Sep 10 2011, 08:52 PM
Yeah, its pretty much subjective, but in the end I can't really tell the difference. =P.
DPSlock
Sep 10 2011, 08:53 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 09:50 PM)

@poopoo: Kinda true. But I think Saigonese dress better than Hanoians, just my opinion.
@Ejay: you know she's full Viet. Stop trying to instigate $hits for your agenda

even if she's full viet...we can all agree that she does not look like typical viet...
she looks like she belongs in latin america
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 08:55 PM
And your Ami girls belong to Taiwan
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 08:56 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 05:40 PM)

There are always "outliers" in every places. Truth is Hoang My's look is quite rare in Hanoi, if I don't want to say I haven't seen any...but she's still Viet and that's all it matters. You shouldn't make a big deal because of one comment. If you want to verify, just come to Hanoi and see.
Let alone Hanoi, even in Saigon, I wouldn't say her look is the "majority" even though I've seen a number of people with Hoang My's look in Saigon.
dude i am from hanoi i think i know my people
lol
if u said quite "rare" then how come a lot of KNOWN people in vietnam that are from the north has the not "thuan viet looks?
and also i only made a big deal about your comment because i am tired of you talking about peoples look and call this one or that one not " viet looking " this subject has been talk to death in here
if you dont like someone then thats fine but don;t call this girl or that boy not "viet " looking just cause they don't fit your idea of what viet looks like
and also i thought u would have known by now that A LOT of people that live in Hanoi now are not originally from here .... hanoi is like saigon now in that people from different places move there to find jobs
DPSlock
Sep 10 2011, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 09:55 PM)

And your Ami girls belong to Taiwan

LOL Taiwan is the motherland of austronesians
its like claiming ethnic kihn in china belong to Vietnam
tav's model girl doesn't look typical viet...case closed
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 09:01 PM
QUOTE (DPSlock @ Sep 10 2011, 05:57 PM)

LOL Taiwan is the motherland of austronesians
its like claiming ethnic kihn in china belong to Vietnam
tav's model girl doesn't look typical viet...case closed
and the girl in your sign dont look typical pinay
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 09:05 PM
Why would I post Hoang My if I didn't like her?

I'm open to all kinds of beauty/looks, the only thing I hate is major "cake face" and "plastic look".
Ngọc Khanh and who else? Can you list? Hoàng My herself is half central Vietnamese, where the Cham used to inhabit, but that doesn't matter because even in Hanoi you got lots of "rare" types of looks too, because people have been migrating around for centuries (you said it yourself, lots of Hanoians are not originally from there, this is not a recent phenomenon but this has been happening for centuries as Hanoi was the capital of Dai Viet, there was even a Cham town in Hanoi in the past, yes there was a Chinese town in Hanoi too, because many Cham and Chinese merchants came there to trade, though both Cham and Chinese towns were rather short-lived). But does it matter as long as you accept them and acknowledge that they're full Viet? Just small comments like she looks Latina shouldn't matter much, since in Vietnam we do have some Latina-looking people (without being mixed with foreigners like French or American, as fireplant may put). Yes, you can also say that Thanh Hoa girl look Chinese, but in Vietnam we also do have Chinese-looking people, without being mixed with Chinese.
Yes I know you're from Hanoi but you probably left it for a long time, maybe you should come back
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (papen @ Sep 10 2011, 05:47 PM)

There's no such thing as purest viet or purest race in the present.
then what is this idea that hoang my looks latina and not thuan viet then if that were the case ?
chiuchimu
Sep 10 2011, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 06:01 AM)

Yea, I stated that I think that girl at Miss Universe look "more" Filipina than Vietnamese, most likely due to all the makeup and photoshop, and obviously that ticked Tav6 off and there we go.
Well the look of those girls which vance posted is not rare here. I've seen quite many with that kind of look, though they're not as good-looking in pics
The Latina look is more rare. Well just come here and see for urself. No need to argue.
(my friends...average people with no makeup...not pretty like the girls posted here)


I think they are all good looking. No one really fat, no one really ugly. I bet both the guys and girls, if they got dressed up to go out, they would all look great.
In fact, I can tell a few are handsome/pretty as is.
bottom picture, top row with 4 girls. I think 1,2,4 are cute.
bottom picture, middle row with 4 people, 1( girl) , 2(guy)
Bottom row, the guy
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 09:19 PM
To settle this matter, let's just say Hoang My looks Viet.
It's all matter of opinion, geez. No need to make a big deal.
Didn't I say "in my opinion" in the very first place? I don't make a definite assertion that she looks Latina or Filipina. I said "in my opinion". If you don't agree, then it's all good. Let's not drag on the argument.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 09:22 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 06:05 PM)

Why would I post Hoang My if I didn't like her?

I'm open to all kinds of beauty/looks, the only thing I hate is "cake face" and "plastic look".
Ngọc Khanh and who else? Can you list? Hoàng My herself is half central Vietnamese, where the Cham used to inhabit, but that doesn't matter because even in Hanoi you got lots of "rare" types of looks too, because people have been migrating around for centuries. But does it matter as long as you accept them and acknowledge that they're full Viet? Just small comments like she looks Latina shouldn't matter much, since in Vietnam we do have some Latina-looking people (without being mixed with foreigners like French or American, as fireplant may put). Yes, you can also say that Thanh Hoa girl look Chinese, but in Vietnam we also do have Chinese-looking people, without being mixed with Chinese.
Yes I know you're from Hanoi but you probably left it for a long time, maybe you should come back

but why make such a comment then ? since you yourself said there there are different type of looks among viet then why is hoang my's look is not consider as looking viet then ???
you're contradicting yourself here and that's where i am confused
and here is a list of Known northerners that i think has that not thuan viet looks
thuy hanh


hai yen


tam tit

there are more but these are the one that pop up into my mind right now
and also i got this idea that u don;t like hoang my from your post in the other thread
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 09:28 PM
I said she looks Latina "in my opinion" for god's sake. If you don't think she looks Latina, then it's all good. I didn't say she's mixed with foreigners like Latino, French, American. I didn't deny her or reject her of being Viet. I even said I've seen many Vietnamese with that kind of look.
I didn't like Hoang My in the other thread because in most pictures, her face was like a melting cake.
(P/S: I was referring to that list of people who don't look "thuần Việt" on thumbsup's link. I don't think anybody in Vietnam ever said Tâm tít and Hải yến doesn't look thuần Việt. But you're entitled to your opinion and they're entitled to their opinion).
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 06:28 PM)

I said she looks Latina "in my opinion" for god's sake. If you don't think she looks Latina, then it's all good. I didn't say she's mixed with foreigners like Latino, French, American. I didn't deny her or reject her of being Viet. I even said I've seen many Vietnamese with that kind of look.
I didn't like Hoang My in the other thread because in most pictures, her face was like a melting cake.
(P/S: I was referring to that list of people who don't look "thuần Việt" on thumbsup's link. I don't think anybody in Vietnam ever said Tâm tít and Hải yến doesn't look thuần Việt. But you're entitled to your opinion).
lol hai yen looks like hoang my and if hoang my don't look thuan viet then hai yen don't either
haiyen vs hoang my


and same with tam tit too some viet member here commented that tam tit does not look thuan viet either but i don't think he post here any more
also cat tien too ... both her parents are northerners but she can pass as "latina" too
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 10:12 PM
Tâm tít, Hải Yến, and Thủy Tiên don't look like Hoàng My. The looks of Hải Yến and Thủy Tiên are not that rare here.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 10:13 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 07:12 PM)

Tâm tít, Hải Yến, and Thủy Tiên don't look like Hoàng My. The looks of Hải Yến and Thủy Tiên are not that rare here.

lol do u even look at their features or are you just BSing ? lol
just because hai yen dress differently and put on makeup differently than hoang my it does not mean they don't share the similar features
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 10:21 PM
Yes I do look at their features. The face structures aren't the same.
In fact I think these girls from the shots I took got Haiyen's look



This woman (bottom left) kinda looks like Cat Tien from side view


But to be honest, Cát Tiên's nose is too tall and big for most people here.
And I haven't seen anyone who looks like this, though she's pretty
ThuongLuong
Sep 10 2011, 10:39 PM
@Tav6:
Dear miss Tav6, though i really impressed and kinda like your ideal about how we look like "Arabian" or "lantino" but in truth, this could only happen in my wildest dream. I kinda interested in princess Sheikha Salama of Dubai and i also want Vietnamese girl to look incridible doll-like like that but we are not....
Sheikha Salama of Dubai:
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 10:40 PM
sorry but your examples are TERRIBLE
first of all those pictures are NOT CLEAR because i can barely see their faces so i can not conclude anything
and also why are you comparing people with no makeup or light makeup to someone with LOTS of makeup on like hoang my ?
the reason why i choose this picture of hoang my to compare is because she wears light makeup here which is closer to her natural face with no makeup on

but she has to put on tones of makeup on when she is on stage or else she would look dead on stage with all that light shine down on her
aflurker
Sep 10 2011, 10:46 PM
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 10:47 PM
Tav6, you obviously have a different view from some people here. I'm not going to try to impose my view on you, so I'm going to stop, but I suggest that you stop this pointless argument too. You can view things your own way, but respect people's opinion too, especially when they clearly state it's their opinion, and stop going to war with them merely because they express an opinion that contradicts yours. Looks are pretty SUBJECTIVE you know, we're not talking about history or science, we're talking about looks, you think Hoàng My and Hải Yến got similar looks, but I don't, even without makeup.
Bare face of Hoàng My (with little makeup and no photoshop)

vs
Hải Yến (with little makeup too)

If you think they got the same type of look then it's all fine, you're entitled to your opinion, I've already expressed mine and you've already expressed yours, no need to go miles impose one's view on another.
P/S: I know my pictures are unclear but even with it, I still can tell Haiyen's look is closer to these two girls than to Hoang My's. Well if you don't think so, then it's all good.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 10:52 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 07:47 PM)

Tav6, you obviously have a very different views from many people here. I'm not going to try to impose my view on you, so I'm going to stop, but I suggest that you stop this pointless argument too. You can view things your own way, but respect people's opinion too, especially when they clearly state it's their opinion, and stop going to war with them merely because they express an opinion that contradicts yours. Looks are pretty SUBJECTIVE you know, we're not talking about history or science, we're talking about looks, you think Hoàng My and Hải Yến got similar looks, but I don't, even without makeup.
Bare face of Hoàng My

vs
Hải Yến

sorry princess i am just exposing your contradiction here .... i am not trying to put down your throat and said that u have to believe that hoang my looks viet or what ever
and by the way thats not a bare face of hoang my she just wear light makeup in that picture
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 10:53 PM
What contradiction?
Yea, but she wears makeup in all her pics. And Hải Yến wears light makeup too. I don't think they post their bare face pictures because they'd be not pretty enough.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 10:57 PM
lol that u said that viet people are diverse in looks and yet you marginalized a certain type of viet looks as "not thuan viet " lol
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 11:00 PM
When did I use the word thuần Việt in referring to anybody's look here?

If I used it, I was merely quoting thumbsup's article, and plus you were throwing the term "thuần việt" around long before I started using that term (and I only used that term once or twice, all in response to your post and the article).

Seriously, I wasn't even thinking along that line.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 11:04 PM
whether or not u used that exact word is not important
the important thing here is that u were going for the same message
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 11:06 PM
Really? If I hate Hoang My that much I wouldn't even post her here in the beginning and start all this mess. You're too sensitive. I don't think anybody was talking along the line of "thuần túy" here, you were the first one to invoke that concept if I'm not wrong.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 11:11 PM
i don;t know why you post her picture because in the other thread you said you don;t find her pretty

and i am not sensitive just annoyed because this same topic has been discussed to death and yet you loved to bring it up again
XigonCongchua
Sep 10 2011, 11:14 PM
To recap, I made one comment how Hoàng My looks more Filipina (because of the Latina-ness) in those red-gown pics. You disagreed. It's all good, it's your opinion. I didn't make any further comment and we were discussing about the marriage age topic, everything could have been left there, but you chose to dive further into that topic, you chose to invoke the concept of homogeneity, EA-SEA, and pureness, and later others were sucked into your topic and here we go with this pointless argument.
And did you check my comments in the other topic? I said I found her quite attractive after looking at other pics when her face doesn't look as much like a melting cake. I just have problems with cake faces.
Tav6
Sep 10 2011, 11:24 PM
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Sep 10 2011, 09:14 PM)

To recap, I made one comment how Hoàng My looks more Filipina (because of the Latina-ness) in those red-gown pics. You disagreed. It's all good, it's your opinion. I didn't make any further comment and we were discussing about the marriage age topic, everything could have been left there, but you chose to dive further into that topic, you chose to invoke the concept of homogenous, EA-SEA, and pureness, and later others were sucked into your topic and here we go with this pointless argument.
And did you check my comments in the other topic? I said I found her quite attractive after looking at other pics when her face doesn't look as much like a melting cake. I just have problems with cake faces.
uh i choose to go there because of your comments and lonelykitty comment on how hoang my don;t look viet and it annoys me that people here are still thinking BS like this
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