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Source: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/05...und-campus.html

Violent jihad gaining ground on campus
Nani Afrida, The Jakarta Post | Thu, 05/19/2011 8:00 AM A | A | A |

This is the second of two reports on the radicalism movement at universities. Radical groups propagating violence have infiltrated campuses to lure young and energetic students who may eventually begin committing violence. The Jakarta Post’s Nani Afrida explores the issue. Here are the stories:

Louis, not his real name, has no physical traits of the stereotypical hard-liner Muslim student: Bearded with a prayer cap and dressed in Muslim attire with trousers sometimes cut off above the ankle.

But Louis is among several students at Syarif Hidayatullah State Islamic University (UINSH) who is profoundly inspired by the violent jihad movement advocated by hard-liner sympathizers possibly linked to the existing terrorism ring.

“Students joining prayer groups run by the [violent] jihadist sympathizers are not yet at the stage of masterminding attacks. But they are being fed violent jihad teachings,” said Louis, who is taking a master’s degree in Islamic law at the university.

“The sympathizers are making persuasive moves to ignite our self-consciousness to conduct violent acts.”

With scores of students and university graduates recently mired in terrorism, concerns are rife over a possible move by terrorist sympathizers to recruit students or graduates to propel their fight in converting Indonesia into a caliphate nation with the full implementation of sharia law.

Based on The Jakarta Post’s observations at several campuses, the violent jihadist groups regularly recruit students who are devoted to Islam, but have social difficulties. These students were easily lured into joining exclusive prayer groups or religion discussions outside the campuses.

Discussions were mostly centered around the ideology of violent jihad to regain the glory of Islam, in manipulative ways.

More often, the students attended three or four discussion sessions prior to accepting the violent ideology.

“There are not many group members, less than ten. They are mostly very introverted, but can stand up voluntarily to take a role in a violent movement,” said Louis.

However, despite this attitude, such students are academic achievers and show no sign of radicalism.

You know who to call: A Muslim student stands besides a crisis center banner installed by the Association of Islamic Students (HMI) in Jakarta on Wednesday. The HMI has operated a crisis center since April for victims of terrorism and the outlawed Islamic State of Indonesia (NII) movement. Many sympathizers of violent jihadist groups have been recruiting university students to join their effort to turn Indonesia into an Islamic state. JP/Ricky Yudhistira

While most Islamic student activists on campus wear a veil or turban, dressed in Muslim attire, most students recruited by the violent jihadist sympathizers wear jeans and T-shirts.

“It is difficult to know them if you are not close to them. And besides, they are not popular students,”
said Louis.

UINSH has seen two of its students and a graduate involved in a terrorism ring, harboring terrorist masterminds behind the JW Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels bombings in mid-2009.

Alleged terrorist mastermind Pepi Fernando, who is behind the distribution of book bombs to several noted figures and a failed attempt to bomb a church in Serpong, Banten, is also a UINSH graduate.

The university rector Komaruddin Hidayat acknowledged receiving reports of a violent jihadist movement at his campus.

“But it is difficult to uncover it. Although, because the public knows about their existence, we expect they will gain less support,” he said.

Aside from UINSH, the violent jihadist movement has also infiltrated secular universities, including the secular University of Indonesia (UI) where members of Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid (JAT), a hard-line organization founded by alleged terrorist mastermind Abu Bakar Ba’asyir, may have gained ground.

UI spokesman Vishnu Juwono believes the group will attempt to penetrate the university, given the fact it was the biggest campus in Indonesia and the birthplace of many national leaders.

“We know about their efforts, especially during the intake of new students. We know they want to indoctrinate our students with their jihadist agenda, but we are confident it will be difficult for them to do this,” he said.

UI has been presenting information to new students on extreme ideologies, Vishnu said.

The terrorist network has also vied to recruit students from National University, Bina Sarana Informatika College, Gunadarma University all in Jakarta , the Bogor Institute of Agriculture and Sebelas Maret University in Surakarta, Central Java, according to a jihadist group member.

Some students of these universities are even active as JAT members, while others joined the Arrahmah prayer club, founded by young and energetic cleric Muhammad Jibril, who is currently serving five years in prison for harboring terrorist masterminds in 2009.

JAT leader Mochammad Achwan, 62, confirmed that many university students were lured into joining the organization.

“Several students, housewives and people from all walks of life attend our preaches,” he said.

“We regularly holds discussions with many students, and we are invited to come to universities to pray.”

Achwan, who was involved in the bombing of the Borobudur Buddhist temple complex in Magelang, Central Java, in 1985, said the students were inspired by JAT because the organization was not merely just talking, but providing an example of “concrete achievements”.

Terrorism expert Noor Huda Ismail said hard-line groups were in a better position to recruit members than moderate Islamic organizations.

“Such groups are strongly pushing the issue of global injustice, including on how the US as the infidels committed atrocities in Iraq and Libya,” he said.

But the violent jihad movement on campuses may have also stemmed from a growing trend of self-radicalization, in which students are exposed to books and Internet resources depicting violent jihad doctrines.

“I believe recruiting students is not a priority for violent jihadist groups. Students can easily become radicals just by reading books and surfing the web,” said Yon Machmudi, a UI expert on the Islamic student movement.

“But whatever the causes are that pull students into supporting the radical movement, a violent ideology among the youth is increasing at an alarming rate,” he said.

DEL
yeah sad it happens. But its how they try to spread ideologies.

anyways, the fact that this is publiced and that UI is against this, says that Indonesia is against this.

Ui was also the place where president Obama had his speech. nothing happened.

UINSH should take measures too. The fact that the movement is still there, is because of corruption. With this i dont mean religious corruption, but material corruption.
elleX0
QUOTE (DEL @ May 31 2011, 12:50 PM) *
yeah sad it happens. But its how they try to spread ideologies.

anyways, the fact that this is publiced and that UI is against this, says that Indonesia is against this.

Ui was also the place where president Obama had his speech. nothing happened.

UINSH should take measures too. The fact that the movement is still there, is because of corruption. With this i dont mean religious corruption, but material corruption.

I do not understand, what is wrong with disseminating Islam in UI?
DEL
yeah, i dont think we agree about what islam is.

I will say it like this. its wrong to disseminate radical islam, because their extreme ideologies are dangerous.
elleX0
QUOTE (DEL @ May 31 2011, 01:49 PM) *
yeah, i dont think we agree about what islam is.

I will say it like this. its wrong to disseminate radical islam, because their extreme ideologies are dangerous.

What is radical Islam? What is extreme ideologies? Please define. What is Islam? I don't believe you know.
DEL
We have talked about this before. icon_smile.gif

Our discussion will end nowhere, because when i talk about the weak points in your theory you will avoid talking about it.
elleX0
QUOTE (DEL @ Jun 2 2011, 12:56 PM) *
We have talked about this before. icon_smile.gif

Our discussion will end nowhere, because when i talk about the weak points in your theory you will avoid talking about it.

That is because you are not discussing Islam but you are talking hearsay. Because there is no "extremism" in Islam. Islam is Islam like in the Quran, and supported by the Hadiths. Nowhere have I found any reference to "extremism in Islam" or to "moderate Islam." Guide me to such verses if you know where to find them.

As far as I know there is only one Allah, one Quran, one Islam, and one kind of Muslim and that is spelt out by the five pillars of Islam. Tell me I am wrong and quote the verses, please. You are talking like most ignorant Europeans about Islam. If you are interested in Indonesia and Islam, why don't you make the effort to study it properly?
JoeRagan
^Do you understand satire? I think Del tried to tell you- however subtly- to get lost, and that with capital L.
Nonetheless your desire to level the playing field/settle the score with him is duly noted
perhaps you can now beat him in his own game in the new revived thread below, happy posting.
DEL
No reason to argue further, but maybe i will open a topic to test your theory once, i mean again. :P

we talked about it, you dodged things before......


you really should need to talk with real friendly muslims. Only they can show you what is really true.
if i was in Indonesia and had the money, I would have invited you to come here and experience life with muslims. You will learn what true islam is about.

Internet is a great source of information, but its not the best. Self-made experts like you post their things and others think it is true.

I am also highly concerned about types like your friend. They come with an article about islam everyday, always something negative. Like you guys search for only negative things of the religion. I cant call you an expert then.
elleX0
QUOTE
I would have invited you to come here and experience life with muslims. You will learn what true islam is about.


Del, I probably have spent more time in South East Asia than you in your whole life. And you still do not know what is a Muslim. Please read:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=260520

An Indonesian is not automatically a Muslim. You should know what a Muslim is because you talk rubbish most of the time. Read the definition and ask your Imam if what I wrote can be faulted. If you don't know an Imam post it on the web and ask Muslims if it is incorrect.
DEL
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Jun 2 2011, 08:15 PM) *
Del, I probably have spent more time in South East Asia than you in your whole life. And you still do not know what is a Muslim. Please read:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=260520

An Indonesian is not automatically a Muslim. You should know what a Muslim is because you talk rubbish most of the time. Read the definition and ask your Imam if what I wrote can be faulted. If you don't know an Imam post it on the web and ask Muslims if it is incorrect.


Wisdom comes with age they say, but you proof otherwise. :P

I doubt you stayed longer in South Asia than i did. But if you did, you barely communicated with the people and/or ripped them off with your business.


Yeah i see you put your theory up to the test. Posting your articles on Asiafinest. I see Imam Chutzpah agrees with you.

Furthermore you go to sites where people are biased like you are. Its the only thing you do. I doubt you ever talked with a Muslim or went to a site where there are actual real muslims. Probably because you fear to be killed, by your own imagination.

The funny thing is that you come here, like you know the truth and you are so sure about it. It even goes so far that you think you are the new messiah. Look at how you talk sometimes.. you talk like muhammed or any other prophet. I am not talking about the words you quote, but your own words. You became like the imam or false prophet you hate so much. They incite hate, but you do too.
elleX0
QUOTE (DEL @ Jun 6 2011, 12:11 PM) *
Wisdom comes with age they say, but you proof otherwise. :P

I doubt you stayed longer in South Asia than i did. But if you did, you barely communicated with the people and/or ripped them off with your business.


Yeah i see you put your theory up to the test. Posting your articles on Asiafinest. I see Imam Chutzpah agrees with you.

Furthermore you go to sites where people are biased like you are. Its the only thing you do. I doubt you ever talked with a Muslim or went to a site where there are actual real muslims. Probably because you fear to be killed, by your own imagination.

The funny thing is that you come here, like you know the truth and you are so sure about it. It even goes so far that you think you are the new messiah. Look at how you talk sometimes.. you talk like muhammed or any other prophet. I am not talking about the words you quote, but your own words. You became like the imam or false prophet you hate so much. They incite hate, but you do too.

Del, you talk utter rubbish. Grow up! Look in the mirror sometimes and study that face well. It is your reflection.

Del, if you want to discuss cultures or other issues in a mature and civilised discussion, fine. But if you want to behave like an adolescent troll, I will treat you as one as I do with all trolls. No further discussions on this.
chutzpah
QUOTE (elleX0 @ May 31 2011, 07:20 AM) *
I do not understand, what is wrong with disseminating Islam in UI?

I also don't understand why teaching Islam in UI is wrong. Islam is Islam in accordance to the Quran, why is it wrong???

Please note, when this pathetic excuse for a 'man', an impotent Ducth Indon is cornered he resorts to insult. All our detractors behave the same way, it is their 'trollish' trade mark. Not just their collective lack of intellect, but civility is conspicuously absent from their vocabulary, they all resort to insult and abuse sooner or later.

Searching for answers for his many sexual ailments on the internet is just pathetic when he stressed many times that the internet is unreliable. I bet street corner's advice is his main source for Islam. (DELirious posted questions about how to prolong and achieve multiple orgasm in one night, obviously premature E then going limp the rest of the night is his major problem)
DEL
predictably stupid. icon_smile.gif

first claiming that the people who oppose you resort to insults, because of their lack of intellect, civility and because they are cornered and never knew what they talked about in the first place.


....and then he himself start to throw with insults (he looked up in the internet again!!). Again really not contributing to the topic and only showcasing that he is retarded.
elleX0
QUOTE (DEL @ Jun 7 2011, 10:40 AM) *
predictably stupid. icon_smile.gif

first claiming that the people who oppose you resort to insults, because of their lack of intellect, civility and because they are cornered and never knew what they talked about in the first place.


....and then he himself start to throw with insults (he looked up in the internet again!!). Again really not contributing to the topic and only showcasing that he is retarded.

nr
JoeRagan
^^ I think Ms. Chutzy is hittin’ on ya Del, u lucky bastard u !
elleX0
QUOTE (JoeRagan @ Jun 7 2011, 04:40 PM) *
^^ I think Ms. Chutzy is hittin’ on ya Del, u lucky bastard u !

Was this slur necessary?
Grandmaster C
sarcasm is ALWAYS necessary
JoeRagan
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Jun 7 2011, 02:15 PM) *
Was this slur necessary?


okey-doke, here it is

I AM REALLY SORRY…….. DEL
are we good now Mr. Elle?
elleX0
QUOTE (JoeRagan @ Jun 8 2011, 12:50 AM) *
okey-doke, here it is

I AM REALLY SORRY…….. DEL
are we good now Mr. Elle?

Joe, you are ALWAYS GOOD!
elleX0
QUOTE (Grandmaster C @ Jun 7 2011, 09:21 PM) *
sarcasm is ALWAYS necessary

But not insults on character!
DEL
QUOTE (JoeRagan @ Jun 8 2011, 01:50 AM) *
okey-doke, here it is

I AM REALLY SORRY…….. DEL
are we good now Mr. Elle?


yeah, i had to say i was very offended, but i accept your apologies.

btw, how you are so sure its a girl?

And if its a girl, the change its high its the gf of Elle, because he seems to allow her bad behavior. Truth to be said, i didnt approve of Tanga and Maja's behavior a few months ago when they attacked elle and chutzpah with cheap remarks. They sinked to chutzpah's douche- level at that time. But now Tanga behaves and makes better remarks. Sadly, maja disappeared.

I just can't see how Elle thinks its wise to not say anything about it to chutzpah. In this topic he said he will treat a troll as a troll, but apparently he is selective with that too. Wilders is a good example to bring in. His party lost more than the halve of the votes, because 60% (and growing when revealed) of his party members are active in the criminal circuit.
JoeRagan
^ I’m willing to bet my last chicken curry Indo Mie that Mr. Elle will not apologizing for his ungodly hypocritical double standard treatment toward Del.
Shame on you.
DEL
ah come on, chicken curry? Its the least tasty one. :P

i prefer chicken onion. Could eat that any day.
Ofcourse eat lots of fruit too, because eating that much indomie can't be healthy.
tangawizi
where is Majjy? let's move on from this anti-islamic shop-talk on AF ... and get back to our gotong royong

Kresna, (and I still cannot believe it) was banned. Someone should invite him over to ralfie's new forum. I am sure ralfie would allow all the fotos of all those seedy places Kresna hung out in JKT! embarassedlaugh.gif
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