mojo3
Sep 28 2007, 01:37 PM
Lanxan, I have read many of your posts and often times, they are very insightful and informative. However, I have noticed that when it comes to the royal family of Luang Prabang, I can't help but feel that you have a strong sense of dislike for them. Not knowing you personally I can only say that you are entitled to them.
However, it is interesting to me, that on one hand, you admit that the royals are no better than any other human being out there; that there is nothing special or unique, or god-like about them. Yet, you want to hold them to standards that are so abstract and subjective. If you truly believe they are just like any person out there, then you should be able to understand that like every one of us, they can make mistakes. They can only do what they can to lead a country that was caught up in a war.
I don't quite know too much about what happened in the past. But I do know that in time of war, anything is possible and nothing is as it seems. At the end, people die, families are destroyed and everyone is displaced in some way or another. And what is left is a broken country, filled with a lot of heart-aches, sadness, blames, and regrets. Laos is no different. Laos is/was a victim of war. Its people were victims of war. As the next generation of post war Laos, we can only try to understand it, learn to accept it, and forge forward in peace.
DeeJai
Mar 25 2008, 07:47 PM
monarchy is an old out of date system. It's a good thing Laos got rid of it.
Manleow
Mar 25 2008, 08:08 PM
Can someone trace the lineage of Boun Oum Champakse?
because, Chao Ratsavong was the last king of Champakse. How did the Boun Oum family come to be after Chao Ratsavong fled to Vietnam?
For me, the Royal Bloodline Always has a place in Laos, doesnt matter in what compacity. but no political role, only ceremonial role as custom to our culture.
XiengPeuk
Mar 25 2008, 10:36 PM
QUOTE(Manleow @ Mar 25 2008, 08:08 PM) [snapback]3594659[/snapback]
Can someone trace the lineage of Boun Oum Champakse?
because, Chao Ratsavong was the last king of Champakse. How did the Boun Oum family come to be after Chao Ratsavong fled to Vietnam?
For me, the Royal Bloodline Always has a place in Laos, doesnt matter in what compacity. but no political role, only ceremonial role as custom to our culture.
When I have time I will scan the history of muang Jumphone page by page, anyone know where the original muang Jumphone was at 200 years ago?
Bassak
Mar 30 2008, 06:01 PM
QUOTE(Manleow @ Mar 25 2008, 09:08 PM) [snapback]3594659[/snapback]
Can someone trace the lineage of Boun Oum Champakse?
because, Chao Ratsavong was the last king of Champakse. How did the Boun Oum family come to be after Chao Ratsavong fled to Vietnam?
For me, the Royal Bloodline Always has a place in Laos, doesnt matter in what compacity. but no political role, only ceremonial role as custom to our culture.
I don't think Chao Ratsavong was ever king of Champasak. Now, his brother Chao Yo was king of Chanmpsak up until the war of 1828.
Manleow
Mar 30 2008, 09:31 PM
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I don't think Chao Ratsavong was ever king of Champasak. Now, his brother Chao Yo was king of Chanmpsak up until the war of 1828.
i c, i thought Chao Anouvong was successful patitioning the King of Siam in placing his son Chao Ratsavong as the King of Champakse. maybe im wrong on that.
DeeJai
Apr 1 2008, 10:18 PM
QUOTE(XiengPeuk @ Mar 25 2008, 10:36 PM) [snapback]3595027[/snapback]
When I have time I will scan the history of muang Jumphone page by page, anyone know where the original muang Jumphone was at 200 years ago?
Hey XiengPeuk, have you heard the son of Chao Boun Oum got in a fight with the son of the Thai king before?
xonelong
Apr 3 2008, 10:48 AM
QUOTE(Manleow @ Mar 30 2008, 09:31 PM) [snapback]3606040[/snapback]
i c, i thought Chao Anouvong was successful patitioning the King of Siam in placing his son Chao Ratsavong as the King of Champakse. maybe im wrong on that.
Chow Anou older son name: Chow Rathsabout Yo was a king of Champasak after they defeated the traitor...this was a plan for fighting the Siam the war of independence 1828. Siame captured him and later lost his life along with Chow Anou
Nachampasak lineage (Chow Boun Oum) came from Chow Rathsadanai, he was the last king that reported to Siam.
Nachampasak was given after LPB was crown Lanxang king (during the French and Lao were already under mornarchy constitution)
Zakrine
Apr 5 2008, 05:24 PM
I recognize Chao Anouvong as a good monarch.
I would say the best Royal in recent history has to be Chao Phetsarath. Maybe because of his Saksit status is the reason why I like him, since I don't even know SO much about him besides that he wanted and pushed for Independence badly.
I would have to agree that a Royal's action is what makes them worthy of respect. The Luang Phrabang dynasty hasn't been so worthy.
babyshanker
Apr 5 2008, 08:50 PM
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I would say the best Royal in recent history has to be Chao Phetsarath.
yeah, lao people love him. i got the picture on my wall.
Manleow
Apr 6 2008, 01:33 AM
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yeah, lao people love him. i got the picture on my wall.
i think everyone has a picture of Chao Phetsarit.
thats funny dont u think,
Every Lao family has the picture of Phetsarit and not the last royal family of Laos.
it tells you who most Lao ppl respect and look up too.
XiengPeuk
Apr 6 2008, 08:32 AM
QUOTE(DeeJai @ Apr 1 2008, 10:18 PM) [snapback]3610176[/snapback]
Hey XiengPeuk, have you heard the son of Chao Boun Oum got in a fight with the son of the Thai king before?
No, I'm a close family and never heard of such, but it would be fun to see it though.LOL
Zakrine
Apr 6 2008, 11:43 AM
QUOTE(Manleow @ Apr 6 2008, 01:33 AM) [snapback]3617674[/snapback]
i think everyone has a picture of Chao Phetsarit.
thats funny dont u think,
Every Lao family has the picture of Phetsarit and not the last royal family of Laos.
it tells you who most Lao ppl respect and look up too.
He was the Son of King Sisavangvong's vice king. It took me a while to figure that out!
Its because he did so much, with such a lesser title than "King".
DeeJai
Apr 6 2008, 07:02 PM
QUOTE(XiengPeuk @ Apr 6 2008, 08:32 AM) [snapback]3617996[/snapback]
No, I'm a close family and never heard of such, but it would be fun to see it though.LOL
XiengPuek, you know the Thai king son, "Siew Ou"(however you spell is name). Well, this is from what I heard, the son of the Thai king and the son of Chao Boun Oum was studying at a priviate school in England at the time. The Thai king son said something to the the son of Chao Boun something like "You are not a real royal and shouldn't be here" to the face of the son of Chao Boun Oum and the son of Chao Boun Oum punched him in the face.
XiengPeuk
Apr 6 2008, 09:52 PM
QUOTE(DeeJai @ Apr 6 2008, 07:02 PM) [snapback]3618936[/snapback]
XiengPuek, you know the Thai king son, "Siew Ou"(however you spell is name). Well, this is from what I heard, the son of the Thai king and the son of Chao Boun Oum was studying at a priviate school in England at the time. The Thai king son said something to the the son of Chao Boun something like "You are not a real royal and shouldn't be here" to the face of the son of Chao Boun Oum and the son of Chao Boun Oum punched him in the face.
Would be ignorant if he really said such things, after all who's grand parents are royal and who's general....But if it was for real, I'm pretty sure that was just a teenage talks.
DeeJai
Apr 6 2008, 09:59 PM
QUOTE(Zakrine @ Apr 5 2008, 05:24 PM) [snapback]3616832[/snapback]
I recognize Chao Anouvong as a good monarch.
I would say the best Royal in recent history has to be Chao Phetsarath. Maybe because of his Saksit status is the reason why I like him, since I don't even know SO much about him besides that he wanted and pushed for Independence badly.
I would have to agree that a Royal's action is what makes them worthy of respect. The Luang Phrabang dynasty hasn't been so worthy.
Even "Pee" is scared of Chao Phetsalath. What Khon Lao need is a great Lao leader who put the interest of country and Khon Lao above themselves. All it takes is one person to lift a country up. Look at Sinapore. Look at the United States. All it takes is one person to lead a country in the right or wrong direction.
DeeJai
Apr 6 2008, 10:02 PM
QUOTE(XiengPeuk @ Apr 6 2008, 09:52 PM) [snapback]3619494[/snapback]
Would be ignorant if he really said such things, after all who's grand parents are royal and who's general....But if it was for real, I'm pretty sure that was just a teenage talks.
I'm going to ask my brother again where he heard it from. But from what I heard, the son of the Thai king is said to be a d!ck. I heard that he once ordered Bird Thongsai to shaved off his head because he didn't like the way Bird Thongsai was acting in front of him.
Amanda
Apr 25 2008, 12:53 AM
QUOTE(XiengPeuk @ Apr 6 2008, 09:32 AM) [snapback]3617996[/snapback]
No, I'm a close family and never heard of such, but it would be fun to see it though.LOL
What do you know about the Champassak history? I'm new to this blog...are you related to this family?
Amanda
Apr 27 2008, 10:01 PM
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What do you know about the Champassak history? I'm new to this blog...are you related to this family?
Anyone related to the Na Champassak family living in US or France on this blog?
Amanda
Apr 27 2008, 10:07 PM
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Anyone related to the Na Champassak family living in US or France on this blog?
Also, Boun Oum had how many sons? Would one of them be in his 70 right now if still living? Was Boun Oum or his father wed to a Cambodian princess at one point? Does anyone know?
Buddhalove
Apr 28 2008, 08:26 AM
There is Na Champasack in the State, but nothing special about them anymore.
Amanda
Apr 28 2008, 10:30 PM
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There is Na Champasack in the State, but nothing special about them anymore.
I'm not interested whether they're special or not...just wanted to know if they're in the state. I know who I have to talk to to get my answers...thanks for the reply though!
DeeJai
Apr 28 2008, 10:33 PM
QUOTE(Amanda @ Apr 27 2008, 10:01 PM) [snapback]3665576[/snapback]
Anyone related to the Na Champassak family living in US or France on this blog?
I know, but I ain't going to say anything.
xonelong
Apr 28 2008, 11:47 PM
QUOTE(Amanda @ Apr 28 2008, 11:30 PM) [snapback]3667807[/snapback]
I'm not interested whether they're special or not...just wanted to know if they're in the state. I know who I have to talk to to get my answers...thanks for the reply though!

do u know this lady in front? ----->
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9738/kh...sadasouktc3.jpgthey're every where even in the states... why do u wanna know?
xhobbx
Apr 29 2008, 02:31 AM
i dont support any royalty. lao pdr is making a stride for improvement. go visit the country see for yourself.
Buddhalove
Apr 29 2008, 10:07 AM
QUOTE(xonelong @ Apr 28 2008, 11:47 PM) [snapback]3667958[/snapback]
do u know this lady in front? ----->
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9738/kh...sadasouktc3.jpgthey're every where even in the states... why do u wanna know?
Too many fake Na Champasack and Sananikhone in the states. Many were claiming the descendant of those people in the refugee camps so they can get pick to come to states.
xonelong
Apr 30 2008, 11:57 AM
QUOTE(Buddhalove @ Apr 29 2008, 11:07 AM) [snapback]3668781[/snapback]
Too many fake Na Champasack and Sananikhone in the states. Many were claiming the descendant of those people in the refugee camps so they can get pick to come to states.
indeed..
i've met some chinese who hardly speak Lao claim the famous Lao surname (back in the old days) hahahaha