Do Laotians support :


Crown Prince Soulivong Savang to polically pressure the Communist government of Laos for democracy and human rights for the people of Laos.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulivong_Savang

"the reunification of the Lao people" ya...

I personally think he should take over...

For most Lao, they don't mind as long it's not a communist state and can improve the overall quality of the people in Laos.

whats his background?

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulivong_Savang

Hell the Royal Lao force barely did $hit in the war... besides Route and waver like cowards... abandoning their allies the Hmongs and American.

Just like the SVA.... they were low morale... and etc.

they were the same as that of the democratic Chinese govorment
during the communist take over.


Strong words but weak govorment.....

and to had me fool that... Vang Pao would had die for the Lao govorment

The Royal Lao govorment abandoned their post.. and joined the Communist..
they don't even deserve to rule their own country..... Hell we should
just give it to the pathet Lao... at least they fought for it.

but that's just bull$hit.

http://www.factfinding.org/media.html

If your all intrest vist this site... and scroll to general tonglith speech
of stopping genocide in Laos...

and if you want listen to General Vang Pao speech... Yes he also spooke in Laos

fu-king Lao wannibi.

Pathet Lao , left-wing nationalist group that was ultimately victorious in the Laotian civil war that began in the mid-1950s. The name was first used in 1950 by Lao forces after the they joined the Viet Minh's revolt against the French, and it became the generic term for the Lao Communists. In 1956 an official party, the Neo Lao Hak Sat (Lao Patriotic Front) was formed. In the 1960s and early 70s, the Pathet Lao fought the U.S.-supported government and finally won control of Laos in 1975, establishing the Lao People's Democratic Republic.

hey girls, do you find our prince good looking?

I think he should go to create a business at Lao. If he can not do that he can go to create business at Nong Khai Province of Thailand. That province locates across the border of Viangtiane. So he can stay very close to Lao. He don't need to press any presure to the Lao authority. Just stays close to the Lao people and help them what he can help. He will gain more respect from Lao people and sometime in the future. He will be a choice for Lao people.

If he still live in France. He is very far from his country and people. And he never sit in his people heart.

i cant wait till that day comes when we get our royal family back i am a supporter of them and i dont care what anyone say

to be honest, he is just another guy like everybody else, if he can make laos a better country and stop corruption of others and stop himself from corruption if he is in power, then sure i'll support him!

well thats what he intend to do

for the mean time =)

I would like to see the royal family back in Lao... this would bring investor moral back to Lao... as a Lao American I starting a company in Lao.. trying to regain the lands my family left in 1978 bc of the comms... this would be benificial to the people of Lao and the numours families that would love to return and help build Lao

i myself think that laos should not have a constitutional monarchy government. full democracy is not good for laos either. communisn is fine for laos for now its just that we need new smart young leaders instead of these old power greedy backwards officials.

^ Pro communist? Didnt know that...

im just pro laos bro. the lpdr are not going to be overthrown anytime soon so we just have to adapt and contribute no matter what the system is. no offence siri, but i definately dont want the kind of democracy in thailand for laos.

I hate these royal parasites.

the war in laos could not have been won by the RLG. they were bound to lose going against lpdr backed by nva. now as for the http://www.factfinding.org that is pure bull$hit and propaganda at its lowest form. this is 2006 and people will not be fooled by the crooked rlg/gvp propaganda machine.

the tai people have been living with and around the miao people for thousands of years from china to laos and not have any problems. there is no genocide in laos but just a war with gvp and rlg loyalist rebels/terrorist that want to overthrow the lpdr. if their truly is a genocide of the hmong people by the lpdr then why are all the hmongs not being slaughtered? there are hmongs all around vieng-chan, luang-pa-bang how come not them and only the hmong that are attached to gvp proxy army hidden in the jungles of laos? dont be so stupit. wake up and smell the coffee. the hmong people in the laos jungles are being exploited by gvp to fight a war that cannot be won, their best bet is to just join the lao country and be good lao citizens. at the end of the day hmongs die in vein and gvp pockets gets fatter. the lpdr will take out these terrorist whether gvp or the rlg(they both work together).


Questionable fundraising aims to exploit Hmongs
ST. PAUL (AP) — Want to be a general in a free Laos? How about a mayor?

Hmong immigrants are being targeted by fundraisers who promise positions in a Laos that may never exist in exchange for payments of hundreds or thousands of dollars, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reported on Sunday.

Aggressive fundraising has long been a sore point for the Hmong. But there’s even more concern now because of FBI investigations of influence peddling in St. Paul City Hall and a separate look by the state attorney general at a prominent Hmong fundraising organization.

Some of the fundraising letters bear the signature of General Vang Pao, who led an army of ethnic minority Hmong that battled communist insurgents in Laos during the Vietnam War and is still revered by many Hmong. Many younger, American-born Hmong have less regard for Vang Pao and see the fundraising as excessive.

Several documents in circulation bear the letterhead of the United Lao National Liberation Front, also known as the Neo Hom, which was founded in the United States by exiled Laotian military leaders. Some appeal for money to help kinsmen who are still fighting in the jungles of Laos against that country’s communist government.

A copy of one certificate, provided to the Pioneer Press, is written in the Lao language and promises that the bearer will be governor of a Laotian province. It is dated Jan. 15, 2003, and appears to be signed by Vang Pao, referred to as “prince liberator.’’Other letters include a “National Support Volunteer Form’’ that asks for monthly payments of $100 or another amount of the donor’s choosing.

The newspaper reported that one Twin Cities man said his father obtained a title for him that supposedly endures a ranking position in a new Lao government. Another said his father-in-law bought one for himself, but was dropped after he could no longer make the monthly payments.

It’s not clear how much money the letters are generating, or whether they violate any laws. But they angered one observer.

Fundraisers in the Hmong community have been questioned before. In 1989, there were reports that many Hmong families had paid $100 down and $10 a month to the Neo Hom. Some paid $500 for certificates that would entitle them to return to a future Laos, and others paid hundreds or thousands to be mayors, governors, police chiefs, colonels and generals.

http://www.winona.edu/winonan/s2005/3-2/Hmongs.htm

"Life is what you make it"

I think it will be a good idea as long as he aint communist

my king is not a parasite.

I asked my mom about it a while ago when I heard he wanted a monarchy again.
She was like hell no. Why? They didnt do anything before for anyone back then.

laos always had foreign people "advising" them since explores were able to get into Laos

I honestly dont care too much about what type of government but laos is slowly moving towards democracy with younger generations taking office. So we just need to sit and wait lol. They might be sneaky like china and say no we not democracy, but their actions says otherwise.

I wasn't born when all that stuff happened. But my family fought for the royal army and i'm proud they did. So since i grew up in america. i didn't want their sacrafice to go in vain. i studied a lot on lao history and what had happened. Sometimes i found that some of older people didn't really have any idea what really happen.Just what they think had happened within the government. So if the prince wants to bring back democracy to Laos-more power to him.

im new here....wellz..i was born in thai..and grow up in usa, mah family also fought for the royal army and i dont really understand wat u really mean by saying" so if the prince wants to bring back democracy to laos-more power to him"..??? explain...





As a Lao-American teenage gurl, i personally thinks that laos should become democracy already..I mean..
look at what the lao communist did to the country, theres so many people that is suffering due to the fact that the goverment doesnt really do what they supposed to do. The lao gov't. urges the lao americans to go back to laos and do business there..but whats the consequences..? No one would really want to make businesss in a country that is not stable. who knows ?

Before the royal government fell in 1975, Laos was a constitutional monarchy. The royal family had no "real power"(politically) . The president or prime minister was in charge. The royal family served over religious affairs and humanitirian affairs in laos. I believe what the prince wants to do is bring back peace and order to laos. It would be like Thailand, Japan, and England. Look at Thailand, the royal family has no power.but the thai king stills do great work outside of politics.He is like the string that binds everything together.

i heard he's old now..
and i heard he loves us hmong.. AHAHAH.. LMAO..

long live LAO KING AND QUEEN even though they're long dead.

of course he does, don't see a reason why he woulden't. he loves all Laotians.

You're right. He's long gone. He died in 1828. His name was Chao Anouvong(the real Lao king). No one deserves to be our king(atleast not in my book) after Chao Anouvong. The French never made him, but it was real Lao people who made him our king. When I say "real", I mean, all those Lao people who sacrificed their very own life for their land...

I see we still have a long way to go.

I'm just being real. I speak what I feel. I don't think Tai Muang Luang royal family deserved any respect. They haven't done anything good for the whole of Muang Lao. On the contrary, Muang Luang has done us more harm than good.

The Royal House of Muang Luang, Vientiane and Champassak are all descendants of the Khun Lo dynasty. I don't wanna repeat myself. But please if anyone is interested in the history of the many dimensions of the "War of 1828" read "Paths to conflagaratio:fifty years of diplomacy and warfare in Laos,Thailand and Vietnam, 1778-1828" by Mayoury Ngaosyathn and Pheuiphanh Ngaosyvathn.Its good that we share pride in our history, but studying only one sided history only builds foolish pride.How history seems to repeat itself for our people, three kingdoms, three princes, three political fractions, and all the answers to all over problems are right in front of us.To point our fingers at the faults of others is much easier than to praise, especially within our kinship.

First, none of these Royals fell out of the sky(Bor Dai Toak Ma Jak Theung Fa). Second, a king is no differerent than any other human being and should be judge based on his merit, and not his linage. What really seperates a true King from an ordinary person is his actions. The qualities that define a real King if you ask me are: Selflessness, Love, and Sacrifice. To put country and people above ones self interests and sacrifice ones own life for a righteous cause is what makes a real king. Unfortunately, Muang Luang lacked the qualities that makes a real Lao king. Yeah, they can claim their royal linage all they want. But at the end of the day, actions speak louder. Like I said, the real Lao king died when Chao Anou died. Anyone after him are just pretenders.

The last Lao king may not have done what other king in past did simply because of Laos was under the monarchy constitutions and prohibit them from getting in any political involvement. The communist Lao put them in the concentration camp and later died is not sacrifice enough? in their positions, it wounldn't be that hard if they decided to live in exil. But since the kingdom have fallen to the commies while they're in power, they have no choice but given up life/throne. That is why most of the high ranking royal government offificials had join them. True, they're no different than any other human(Lao) but they do have greater responsibilty than the avarage. It wasn't their fault that they were born in the linage and maybe didn't even wish for the roles they're in. There were things they did/din't do that I disagree but after all they're just human being. Many of the royals have walk down the path and shed their bloods to protect the land but the recent king sure have walk differently than most, is just in a different time period. Here just the thouhgt: Are we holding these against them? or should we recognized/appreciated ?

United Laos

I see it like this, bro. I try to put things in perspective. When Chao Anou fought for Lao independence against the opressors, Muang Luang didn't help or didn't even want to get involved. And then when the French came along, all the sudden Muang Luang get to become the King of Muang Lao. To me, that's a slap in the face to all Khon Lao who fought and died trying to free our people against those that oppressed us.

Any pics of him? I judge people by their look

http://www.laohub.com/modules.php?name=Ima...14037&pos=1

It seems someone has only been reading about Chao Anou only on wekipedia and hasn't really studied the entire history of the War of 1828. Muang Luangh was much more involved and aware of the situation than what you might have read. In fact Chao Anou himself offer the King of Muang Luangh to rule if he should succeed because Chao Anou planned to join the sangha afterward. Muang Laugh, Muang Vienchan, and Muang Na Champassak. These were all Lao kingdoms that broke up because of finger pointing like this. The history of the Lao, whether glorious or shamefull were all in the hands of the Lao people.When we fail because of lack of unity, we need a scape goat. Kings, princes and peasants, we all share the responsibilities. Maybe some of us aren't aware of the fact that when the French came to Laos. Laos was a vassal of Siam, with a feudal society that barely got a glimps of the modern world. If King Oum Kham hadn't accepted French protection there would not a Lao country. The past has already gone, learn from it and use it to whatever means you desire. Sure, the War of 1828 was a tragedy and nothing can justify what the Thais did to our ancestors. But these were people who too are proud of their kingdom. We too are proud of our race and history. But we have to accept the fact that we lost the war and most importantly why we lost . Channel that rage and do something positive that would help promote our culture. Don't let the cycle of disunity continue. Learn as much as you can about Lao culture. But don't use it as a guilt card, don't let Muang Lan Xang Hom Khao be a punching bag for our neighbors.

I might know about Lao history as much as you, but I do know from what was passed down from the elders of Chao Noi betraying Chao Anou. I do know that the Viets killed Chao Noi. I do know that it was Vientiane under Chao Anou that told the Thais to F**** off and actually did something about it. To me that's enough for me to reconigze him as MY true and last Lao king. Like I said, none of these royals fell out of the sky, it's the actions that make them worthy of respect. And in my mind, Chao Anou was and the last Lao king.

Would it be easier for you if the French crown the champasack's clan instead? since Chao Anou's side were wipe out by Siam. although I do understand where you're coming from, I was once felt that way in my early days.




Elders also told me not to disrespect/dishonor any of the past/recent royal bloodlines, the history itself is not so call accurated. We end up learning from what others have thought " should have been or could have been" (their opinoins). I do believe some have been manipulated from the actual truth. To me, they all have been sacrified one way or another to protect our beloved nation, some's less than other according ones opinoin and it's cool tho.

History is for learning, know who we are, how we got here, and this case, learn not to make that same mistake again by devided Laos. Forgive my poor English.

Yeah bro. Champasack line are worthy. Not Luang Prabang. This is from Ai Keo's writings. I disagree with Ai Keo on one thing, though. I think Northern Lao, Muang Luang in particular we call in Pasa Lao "Hen Kair Thou"(selfish). They only care about themselves and not for the good and whole of Muang Lao. You know if they would have put aside their own "self-centered self", our ancestors wouldn't have suffered under the hands of the oppressors. Vientiane and Champasack, Central Lao and Southern Lao shed blood and tears for this Lao cause.

"What was not yet in Siam’s favor was the unruly ruling elite of some Isan Muang which stubbornly adhered to their LanXang overlord despite the changing of circumstance drastically in favor of Bangkok. Those Isan Muang were namely Nakhon Phanom, Sakol Nakhon, Roi-Et and NongBouaLamPhu. Also, in many of the Muang that originally sided with Bangkok, some factions of those ruling elite had made a 180 degree turn-around and allied with Chao Anou as things were heated. In fact, Siam did push those Isan Muang to side with Chao Anou with their cruel tattooing of the Isan male. Apart from those Lao in Isan Muang, the Lao forcibly evacuated to Sarabury and Lomsak right after the first war of LanXang and Siam in 1779 were yearning to come home. Their number totaled to over 30,000 strong, roughly the strength of Luangprabang kingdom itself. Getting back to the Lao base on the Eastern bank of the Mekong River, I would say that they became a unified force to a greater extent than of any other time in LanXang history since 1779. Champassak kingdom under Chao Yo, Chao Anou’s son, firmly sided with the Vientiane forces. Muang Phuan under Chao Noi closely followed Chao Anou’s commands. Only Luangprabang kingdom, adopting a ‘wait and see’ attitude, didn’t commit their forces on Chao Anou’s side. Still, the latter tacitly supported the Lao cause with a more prudent approach. Just the fact that they didn’t invade the Vientiane kingdom while the latter fought against Siam like in the past told us that a reconciliatory agreement was reached between the two Lao brotherly kingdoms. As for the ‘Lao’ of Lanna, they pretty much adopted the same attitude as those of the Luangprabang kingdom. Only when the tide of the campaign heavily tilted towards Bangkok did the rulers of Lanan and Luangprabang made a gesture to fight on the side of Bangkok. This shows us that the Lao of whatever stripes they might be all cherished the Lao independence. Only circumstances made them choose Bangkok for their own survival..."

I hear you bro, loud and clear. It is sad but true.. a history dated back when they "Luang Prabang" team up with the Burmese and try to overthrown Vientiane, i'm not sure when it was but it did in fact stated in the Lao history. I agree they are self center and greed among these so called the rulers, back stabbing their own bloodlines/kingdom... Look where are they now bro...they are paying big time. I don't want to sound worst and all- but it is what it is , right? Ai Keo's writting is almost accurated as it can be, i can feel the pain flows through his pen forming the words... Long live Lao.....

"What was not yet in Siam’s favor was the unruly ruling elite of some Isan Muang which stubbornly adhered to their LanXang overlord despite the changing of circumstance drastically in favor of Bangkok. Those Isan Muang were namely Nakhon Phanom, Sakol Nakhon, Roi-Et and NongBouaLamPhu. Also, in many of the Muang that originally sided with Bangkok, some factions of those ruling elite had made a 180 degree turn-around and allied with Chao Anou as things were heated. In fact, Siam did push those Isan Muang to side with Chao Anou with their cruel tattooing of the Isan male. Apart from those Lao in Isan Muang, the Lao forcibly evacuated to Sarabury and Lomsak right after the first war of LanXang and Siam in 1779 were yearning to come home. Their number totaled to over 30,000 strong, roughly the strength of Luangprabang kingdom itself. Getting back to the Lao base on the Eastern bank of the Mekong River, I would say that they became a unified force to a greater extent than of any other time in LanXang history since 1779. Champassak kingdom under Chao Yo, Chao Anou’s son, firmly sided with the Vientiane forces. Muang Phuan under Chao Noi closely followed Chao Anou’s commands. Only Luangprabang kingdom, adopting a ‘wait and see’ attitude, didn’t commit their forces on Chao Anou’s side. Still, the latter tacitly supported the Lao cause with a more prudent approach. Just the fact that they didn’t invade the Vientiane kingdom while the latter fought against Siam like in the past told us that a reconciliatory agreement was reached between the two Lao brotherly kingdoms. As for the ‘Lao’ of Lanna, they pretty much adopted the same attitude as those of the Luangprabang kingdom. Only when the tide of the campaign heavily tilted towards Bangkok did the rulers of Lanan and Luangprabang made a gesture to fight on the side of Bangkok. This shows us that the Lao of whatever stripes they might be all cherished the Lao independence. Only circumstances made them choose Bangkok for their own survival..."
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I recognize this paragraph from the book "Paths of Conflagration".

Ai Keo is a Northern Lao himself(born in Xieng Khuan I think) but raised in Vientiane. I know he didn't want to sound too harsh on his Northern Lao folks because he know it himself that they(the Northern Lao) were the ones that fu-ked it up for the rest of Khon Lao. When the past is brought up, I feel "Jep Jai", man.

Lanxan, are you pimp incarcerated?

This jeezball fool is in all of our forum, and talking $hit.

Idiot, isn't that what you lao are capable of? Talking hella lots of $hit in our Thai chat, mai song kra jok jing jing nor puad lao.

^You mean reincarnated, learn your grammar before trying to pass off "prison inmates" as individuals who are "reborn again". If you can't even get that right, what makes you think anyone will see you logical enough to debate with?

I think Jeez got banned already.