BlueRay
Jul 18 2011, 11:17 AM
Yukio Hatoyama tell America to leave, and America say "NO". Why don 't America listen to the wishes of Japanese people?
ZetaOrion
Jul 18 2011, 12:22 PM
Perhaps America loves Japanese and japan too much? Afterall America did create Japan today as a model for other Asian country in the region.
I hope I got the answers right.
devils666
Jul 18 2011, 01:33 PM
QUOTE (ZetaOrion @ Jul 18 2011, 12:22 PM)

Perhaps America loves Japanese and japan too much? Afterall America did create Japan today as a model for other Asian country in the region.
I hope I got the answers right.

Yeah Right. America loved Japan so much that they put them in concentration camps and bombed them twice! Then out of the goodness of their heart they decided to make Japan a puppet state so they could subtley control east asian Affairs.
They loved Japan so much that during the 70s, 80s, and 90s they called Japanese goods "crap" and said they were stealing American jobs. They loved Japan so much that when Japan became richer than the US they made them sign the Plaza Accord which slowly dissentigrated the Japanese economy.
They love Japan so much that US soldiers rape and kill innocent Japanese civilians and call it an "accident". They love Japan so much that when the Japanese presidient speaks out against America, they have him "replaced".
Yeah, that's love alright. Love between an abusive husband and a wife that wants to leave him.
bear11
Jul 18 2011, 02:22 PM
QUOTE (BlueRay @ Jul 18 2011, 11:17 AM)

Yukio Hatoyama tell America to leave, and America say "NO". Why don 't America listen to the wishes of Japanese people?
Because Japan lost in a war against the US.
Japanese can only blame themselves because they surrendered.
China didn't surrender to Japan, despite all the bombings and massacres, just like the Russians didn't want to surrender to the Germans.
When you surrender then your enemy owns you.
The American will leave only if their country collapses or if Japan forces them out, but that would mean a war with the US.
ZetaOrion
Jul 18 2011, 02:38 PM
It is impossible for Japan to even make her own decision for the U.S to leave. U.S already establish Japan as their model for other Asian country in the region to follow. Which mean Japan is already fully owned by America in the pacific region. I know about this issue since I have connection with many "White" people who are claim to be an expert on these sensative issue and how it should be done for Japan.
Again Japan is just a model for the rest of the Asian country in the pacific region, which included East Asia and South East Asia.
That's the broader picture that everyone should be focusing on right now, instead of each others.
Metropolitan
Jul 18 2011, 06:14 PM
Zionist America listens only to Israel.
ReginaRae
Jul 18 2011, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (devils666 @ Jul 18 2011, 02:33 PM)

Yeah Right. America loved Japan so much that they put them in concentration camps and bombed them twice! Then out of the goodness of their heart they decided to make Japan a puppet state so they could subtley control east asian Affairs. They loved Japan so much that during the 70s, 80s, and 90s they called Japanese goods "crap" and said they were stealing American jobs. They loved Japan so much that when Japan became richer than the US they made them sign the Plaza Accord which slowly dissentigrated the Japanese economy. They love Japan so much that US soldiers rape and kill innocent Japanese civilians and call it an "accident". They love Japan so much that when the Japanesepresidient speaks out against America, they have him "replaced". Yeah, that's love alright. Love between an abusive husband and a wife that wants to leave him.
Some would say this is justified as it was Japan who started the war with the US. Any ill feelings that an American has towards Japan probably stems from Pearl Harbor.
Anyway, considering all Japan has done to your people, I'm surprised you're not perfectly fine with America's behavior.
devils666
Jul 18 2011, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (ReginaRae @ Jul 18 2011, 07:10 PM)

Some would say this is justified as it was Japan who started the war with the US. Any ill feelings that an American has towards Japan probably stems from Pearl Harbor.
Anyway, considering all Japan has done to your people, I'm surprised you're not perfectly fine with America's behavior.
Unlike you, I'm actually Asian and I care about my people - Japanese or not. I don't like seeing my race being constantly raped by Whitey.
freezingpoint
Jul 18 2011, 07:48 PM
QUOTE (ReginaRae @ Jul 18 2011, 08:10 PM)

Some would say this is justified as it was Japan who started the war with the US. Any ill feelings that an American has towards Japan probably stems from Pearl Harbor.
Anyway, considering all Japan has done to your people, I'm surprised you're not perfectly fine with America's behavior.
No why would I be fine with that, what does US atrocities in Japan have to do with China? I will call the US out for what it is: an imperialist white regime with world domination as its sole goal.
Bobsmith69
Jul 18 2011, 09:36 PM
QUOTE (ReginaRae @ Jul 18 2011, 08:10 PM)

Anyway, considering all Japan has done to your people, I'm surprised you're not perfectly fine with America's behavior.
Why would the Chinese be"perfectly fine with America's behavior"? When is killing of innocent people acceptable? Is it only for America, the last bastion of righteousness?
VJDay
Jul 19 2011, 12:00 AM
Japan as a U.S. protectorate state is not permanent...
Treaty of Versaille that mandated Germany de-militarization post-WW1 was not abided by Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany - if U.S. is not a good guaranteeor of security of Japan, then Japan can do whatever the fu-k she wants.
It would give new reason for Korean reunification on Chinese terms, and China-Korea bloc to balance a re-militarized Japan. Sooner the better, gtfo of Asia stupid Yankees.
KraterosHellas
Jul 19 2011, 03:29 AM
QUOTE (BlueRay @ Jul 18 2011, 12:17 PM)

Yukio Hatoyama tell America to leave, and America say "NO". Why don 't America listen to the wishes of Japanese people?
america CAN'T leave. they're addicted to japanese women
Captain Corea
Jul 20 2011, 12:05 AM
QUOTE (BlueRay @ Jul 19 2011, 01:17 AM)

Yukio Hatoyama tell America to leave, and America say "NO". Why don 't America listen to the wishes of Japanese people?
Mind sourcing that?
bear11
Jul 20 2011, 02:28 PM
QUOTE (VJDay @ Jul 19 2011, 12:00 AM)

Japan as a U.S. protectorate state is not permanent...
Treaty of Versaille that mandated Germany de-militarization post-WW1 was not abided by Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany - if U.S. is not a good guaranteeor of security of Japan, then Japan can do whatever the fu-k she wants.
It would give new reason for Korean reunification on Chinese terms, and China-Korea bloc to balance a re-militarized Japan. Sooner the better, gtfo of Asia stupid Yankees.
yes and that lead to WW2 in which Germany was totally destroyed.
Japan is not in a good position, war with the US is the only solution for Japan, but the US is too strong.
CheolSu
Jul 21 2011, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (BlueRay @ Jul 18 2011, 11:17 AM)

Yukio Hatoyama tell America to leave, and America say "NO". Why don 't America listen to the wishes of Japanese people?
Because they won WW2 and they don't have to.
chiuchimu
Jul 21 2011, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (CheolSu @ Jul 21 2011, 12:36 PM)

Because they won WW2 and they don't have to.
If the only issue that matters is who wins, then I don't want to here crap from you about the evils that Japan did while occupying XX.
pochi
Jul 22 2011, 12:02 AM
QUOTE (BlueRay @ Jul 19 2011, 01:17 AM)

Yukio Hatoyama tell America to leave, and America say "NO". Why don 't America listen to the wishes of Japanese people?
Hatoyama suggested to 'relocate' one of US bases from Okinawa to another location, not 'all the bases to move out.'
lizzieAngelina
Jul 22 2011, 12:19 AM
They want to win w2w policy.The relationgship is good to each other
27thRedMartyr
Jul 23 2011, 08:51 AM
QUOTE (BlueRay @ Jul 18 2011, 08:17 AM)

Yukio Hatoyama tell America to leave, and America say "NO". Why don 't America listen to the wishes of Japanese people?
I blame Anime, video games and other media, history, and sushi, or you can put it in this way that its your very culture that is your curse. Its simply that fact that some Americans feel they have no class, and turn to other cultures those are for the really obsess people though. Im more interested in Metal Gear Solid, Sengoku Period and how to roll a roll. :P
CheolSu
Jul 23 2011, 10:58 PM
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Jul 21 2011, 10:15 PM)

If the only issue that matters is who wins, then I don't want to here crap from you about the evils that Japan did while occupying XX.
If America did to Japan what Japan did to territories they occupied, I'd be on your side.
They are not going to leave Japan after fighting WW2 to get there. You may not like it, but it's a fact.
KraterosHellas
Jul 27 2011, 05:28 AM
QUOTE (CheolSu @ Jul 23 2011, 10:58 PM)

If America did to Japan what Japan did to territories they occupied, I'd be on your side.
They are not going to leave Japan after fighting WW2 to get there. You may not like it, but it's a fact.
japan also suffered a ton of destruction, atrocities and rape in the hands of the americans during ww2. and what's aorse is that they've been humiliated and their national soverignty compromised by the US ever since
CheolSu
Jul 27 2011, 07:50 PM
So what?
Are you trying to say Americans were just as bad as the Japanese were? Everybody's bad in war so stop picking on the poor little Japanese? Stop deluding yourself. Japanese brutality and viciousness was at a higher level than that of the Americans.
Southasianguy
Aug 6 2011, 02:38 PM
QUOTE (devils666 @ Jul 18 2011, 01:33 PM)

Yeah Right. America loved Japan so much that they put them in concentration camps and bombed them twice! Then out of the goodness of their heart they decided to make Japan a puppet state so they could subtley control east asian Affairs.
They loved Japan so much that during the 70s, 80s, and 90s they called Japanese goods "crap" and said they were stealing American jobs. They loved Japan so much that when Japan became richer than the US they made them sign the Plaza Accord which slowly dissentigrated the Japanese economy.
They love Japan so much that US soldiers rape and kill innocent Japanese civilians and call it an "accident". They love Japan so much that when the Japanese presidient speaks out against America, they have him "replaced".
Yeah, that's love alright. Love between an abusive husband and a wife that wants to leave him.
Also don't forget all the US government funded Toyota bashing which is hugely advertised in the newspaper here everyday.
Southasianguy
Aug 6 2011, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (CheolSu @ Jul 23 2011, 10:58 PM)

If America did to Japan what Japan did to territories they occupied, I'd be on your side.
They are not going to leave Japan after fighting WW2 to get there. You may not like it, but it's a fact.
QUOTE (freezingpoint @ Jul 18 2011, 07:48 PM)

No why would I be fine with that, what does US atrocities in Japan have to do with China? I will call the US out for what it is: an imperialist YANKEE regime with world domination as its sole goal.
Too bad they are too broke for that and they should realize that they would get pwned by Russia and China!
KraterosHellas
Aug 6 2011, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (Southasianguy @ Aug 6 2011, 03:50 PM)

Too bad they are too broke for that and they should realize that they would get pwned by Russia and China!
unfortunately i don't think they realize this yet.
YoungGun
Aug 20 2011, 02:16 AM
At the end of WW II (World War II) if US wanted Okinawa or a half of Japan, Japan could not have objected. Look at Germany. Germany gave a huge chunk of land to France. Like Germany, Japan was an aggressor and lost the war. Japan should have given the Busan Island (DaeMah-do) especially back to Korea.
And you keep mentioning US troops raping civilians. I am sure there are some isolated incidetns. But did the US Government kidnap some 400,000 unsuspecting civilians and send them to the war fronts to be raped by its soldiers? How low can you sink?
Imtherealsugarbaby
Aug 20 2011, 02:31 AM
im sure if more americans were in japan they wouldnt be having problems with being under populated anymore
Foxever
Aug 20 2011, 10:42 AM
US will protect JP void China invasion

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Oldboy117
Aug 20 2011, 11:29 AM
QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 20 2011, 03:16 AM)

At the end of WW II (World War II) if US wanted Okinawa or a half of Japan, Japan could not have objected. Look at Germany. Germany gave a huge chunk of land to France. Like Germany, Japan was an aggressor and lost the war. Japan should have given the Busan Island (DaeMah-do) especially back to Korea.
And you keep mentioning US troops raping civilians. I am sure there are some isolated incidetns. But did the US Government kidnap some 400,000 unsuspecting civilians and send them to the war fronts to be raped by its soldiers? How low can you sink?
This. Japanese have a long history of violent war crimes....US base should remain in Japan to keep them in check.
Rayzor
Aug 20 2011, 12:07 PM
QUOTE (Imtherealsugarbaby @ Aug 20 2011, 03:31 AM)

im sure if more americans were in japan they wouldnt be having problems with being under populated anymore
American =/= Japanese
Consider that Japan is a homogeneous country, I'm sure they want to increase the population of Japanese people, not foreigners.
QUOTE (Foxever @ Aug 20 2011, 11:42 AM)

US will protect JP void China invasion

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I 'm not sure about that, since 78% Japanese people themselves don't think America will protect Japan in the event of emergency.
QUOTE
3. In the event of an emergency, do you think the USA would protect Japan?
Yes: 22%
No: 78%
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/17/8...uclear-weapons/However, Sankaku Complex credibility is debatable.
Bobsmith69
Aug 20 2011, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (Oldboy117 @ Aug 20 2011, 11:29 AM)

This. Japanese have a long history of violent war crimes....US base should remain in Japan to keep them in check.
The pot calling the kettle black. Keep your own country in check first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes
Oldboy117
Aug 20 2011, 01:12 PM
QUOTE (Bobsmith69 @ Aug 20 2011, 01:13 PM)

The pot calling the kettle black. Keep your own country in check first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes ROFL!! compared to the war crimes you Japanese committed, that aint NOTHING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimesHuman experimentation?
Mass genocides?
CANNIBALISM? Wow, really? You guys were worse than Nazis.
List goes on and on.
Megapower
Aug 20 2011, 06:46 PM
The warmongers in Japan should be kept on a leash for infinite amount of time.
rahowa1488
Aug 20 2011, 08:47 PM
QUOTE (Southasianguy @ Aug 6 2011, 03:50 PM)

Too bad they are too broke for that and they should realize that they would get pwned by Russia and China!
anyone who uses the word pwned for war knows nothing, as a soldier i look forward to meeting the japanese on the battlefield, get some real warfare not this fu-king insurgency $hit.
CheolSu
Aug 20 2011, 09:04 PM
QUOTE (Southasianguy @ Aug 6 2011, 02:50 PM)

Too bad they are too broke for that and they should realize that they would get pwned by Russia and China!
So long as Japan keeps financing their debt, they'll be ok.
They borrowed over $2 trillion from you.
chiuchimu
Aug 21 2011, 12:38 AM
QUOTE (CheolSu @ Jul 27 2011, 08:50 PM)

So what?
Are you trying to say Americans were just as bad as the Japanese were? Everybody's bad in war so stop picking on the poor little Japanese? Stop deluding yourself. Japanese brutality and viciousness was at a higher level than that of the Americans.
QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 20 2011, 03:16 AM)

At the end of WW II (World War II) if US wanted Okinawa or a half of Japan, Japan could not have objected. Look at Germany. Germany gave a huge chunk of land to France. Like Germany, Japan was an aggressor and lost the war. Japan should have given the Busan Island (DaeMah-do) especially back to Korea.
And you keep mentioning US troops raping civilians. I am sure there are some isolated incidetns. But did the US Government kidnap some 400,000 unsuspecting civilians and send them to the war fronts to be raped by its soldiers? How low can you sink?
QUOTE (Oldboy117 @ Aug 20 2011, 02:12 PM)

ROFL!! compared to the war crimes you Japanese committed, that aint NOTHING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimesHuman experimentation?
Mass genocides?
CANNIBALISM? Wow, really? You guys were worse than Nazis.
List goes on and on.
That's right. We Japanese can become vicious. Stop being such pussy cry babies.
Really, if WW2 matters that much to you, pick up a knife/gun and do something about it. Pussy little girls.
Yerroperil
Aug 21 2011, 12:48 AM
How pathetic solving inhumane crimes with violence is only going to make things worse... Japanese are pussies for not admitting their war crimes and apologizing...
hapkido1996
Aug 21 2011, 01:12 AM
Without America keeping a lid on Japanese imperialist-minded tendencies, what's to keep the right-wingers in Japan from re-arming and trying to take over the world again? Only this time with nukes instead of kamikaze planes. When Hirohito signed the paper at the end of the war, he gave Japan's right to self-determinatin to the US. That's what you get for killing millions of people across Asia and the world.
YoungGun
Aug 21 2011, 02:55 AM
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Aug 21 2011, 01:38 AM)

That's right. We Japanese can become vicious. Stop being such pussy cry babies.
Really, if WW2 matters that much to you, pick up a knife/gun and do something about it. Pussy little girls.
Do something about it? Okay let's ask North Korea to nuke Japan. Just kidding - that would be too cruel and 2 wrongs don't make it right, except Japan will alway be the recipeint. Besides, Kim doesn't need any encourangement.
If you live in USA:
Do you want to report the Japanese War criminals... like Hideki Tojo, hero-worshiped in the Yasukuni Shrine? You can send letters (not emails) to local, state and federal representatives - get their contact info here:
http://consumeraction.capwiz.com/consumera.../dbq/officials/ You can enter your zip code in the first blank. And their war museum in the same shrine teaches Japan in WW II were liberators of Asia and America and Europe provoked Japan into War.
Have you noticed the Toyota symbol looks more and more like the Shinto Gate symbol? Another of their scheming insult to Amercia and really to the world.
hapkido1996
Aug 21 2011, 04:11 AM
How does the incarceration of Japanese-American citizens compare to the Bataan Death March, I wonder?
doggyji
Aug 21 2011, 11:23 AM
Don't forget Japanese civilians were also victims of Imperial Japan's military regime. Don't take the antagonistic versus Japan angle. That's exactly what the Japanese right-wings want. Be specific when you want to criticize something about a nation of millions of people. It's not so much that WW2 is still directly affecting us. The real concern is about the current attitudes that will project into the future. Western Europe almost got this down but East Asia still needs a lot of work.
hapkido1996
Aug 21 2011, 11:53 AM
QUOTE (doggyji @ Aug 22 2011, 01:23 AM)

Don't forget Japanese civilians were also victims of Imperial Japan's military regime. Don't take the antagonistic versus Japan angle. That's exactly what the Japanese right-wings want. Be specific when you want to criticize something about a nation of millions of people. It's not so much that WW2 is still directly affecting us. The real concern is about the current attitudes that will project into the future. Western Europe almost got this down but East Asia still needs a lot of work.
I like this post. ^^
Bobsmith69
Aug 21 2011, 12:25 PM
QUOTE (Oldboy117 @ Aug 20 2011, 01:12 PM)

ROFL!! compared to the war crimes you Japanese committed, that aint NOTHING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes You guys were worse than Nazis.
Tell that to the Jews who lost millions of their people. I'm not here excusing what Japan has done in the past. Yet,to count on the US, with a morally dubious past, to be the world police is bordering on asinine. Americans lost their credibility long time ago.
Bobsmith69
Aug 21 2011, 12:43 PM
QUOTE (Megapower @ Aug 20 2011, 07:46 PM)

The warmongers in Japan should be kept on a leash for infinite amount of time.
With all the current wars its involved, "the warmongers in USA should be kept on a leash for infinite amount of time", is more appropriate.
KraterosHellas
Aug 21 2011, 09:45 PM
QUOTE (YoungGun @ Aug 20 2011, 03:16 AM)

At the end of WW II (World War II) if US wanted Okinawa or a half of Japan, Japan could not have objected. Look at Germany. Germany gave a huge chunk of land to France. Like Germany, Japan was an aggressor and lost the war. Japan should have given the Busan Island (DaeMah-do) especially back to Korea.
And you keep mentioning US troops raping civilians. I am sure there are some isolated incidetns. But did the US Government kidnap some 400,000 unsuspecting civilians and send them to the war fronts to be raped by its soldiers? How low can you sink?
what a load of bull crap. seriously the US did more harm to japan than japan did to asia during ww2. and americans certainly RAPED MORE women than the japanese did because americans raped in japan for well
over 6 decades whereas the japanese did it only during the war.
hapkido1996
Aug 21 2011, 10:42 PM
QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ Aug 22 2011, 11:45 AM)

what a load of bull crap. seriously the US did more harm to japan than japan did to asia during ww2. and americans certainly RAPED MORE women than the japanese did because americans raped in japan for well over 6 decades whereas the japanese did it only during the war.
Not sure those numbers add up, considering Japan raped in China, Korea, Philippines, SEAsia, the South Pacific, etc. After the war, it took a while for the US to work up a significant occupying force. A handful of rapes a year for 60 years vs millions of rapes in a few years...hmmm...I'm no mathematician, but...
devils666
Aug 22 2011, 12:52 AM
QUOTE (hapkido1996 @ Aug 21 2011, 10:42 PM)

Not sure those numbers add up, considering Japan raped in China, Korea, Philippines, SEAsia, the South Pacific, etc. After the war, it took a while for the US to work up a significant occupying force. A handful of rapes a year for 60 years vs millions of rapes in a few years...hmmm...I'm no mathematician, but...
You make it seem like being raped by an American is sooo much better. Yellowcab....that is if you are even Asian....
Yerroperil
Aug 22 2011, 01:05 AM
Japanese did worse things to Asia then Americans did in WW2 don't deny it...
devils666
Aug 22 2011, 01:09 AM
QUOTE (Yerroperil @ Aug 22 2011, 01:05 AM)

Japanese did worse things to Asia then Americans did in WW2 don't deny it...
After WW2 Americans have have beaten the Japanese for #1 imperialist.
Personally, I've forgiven the Japanese. They are my brothers and I'd much rather have someone of the same race ruling me, than an "alien" race. If White people can forgive Germany, why can't Asians forgive each other?
Yerroperil
Aug 22 2011, 01:20 AM
The only difference is skin deep we are all Homo sapiens... I don't think all Jews and some White POW have forgiven Germany... People don't forgive Japan because they don't apologize,whitewash history and worship at the Yasukuni. shrine... Rather have the U.S. rule over me than the IJA, seeing my fellow country men get put in experimental facilities, raped, massacred, forced incest, forced prostitution and my lands taken away is more than enough to despise the Japanese...
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