Full Version: Nanjing massacre real or not
Just wondering opinions of AF members.
I believe that it is "real" but am not sure as to the accuracy of the numbers.
I think its as real as the three american nukes dropped on japan 
deo u think they really counted 1 2 3 4 5 6 million jews???? how????
werent many incinerated?
werent many incinerated?
QUOTE (aDarkTemplar @ Jul 21 2011, 06:37 AM) 
deo u think they really counted 1 2 3 4 5 6 million jews???? how????
werent many incinerated?
werent many incinerated?
They keep records and do body counts.
Obviously, it's real. It's not just Chinese that suffer, other countries such as Malaysia and Korea also suffer from Japanese occupation during world war 2, but I think Chinese had it worst.
QUOTE (Rayzor @ Jul 21 2011, 10:17 AM)
Obviously, it's real. It's not just Chinese that suffer, other countries such as Malaysia and Korea also suffer from Japanese occupation during world war 2, but I think Chinese had it worst.
It happened, but there're controversies on the number of victims. Nevertheless, human history is very brutal...
Today, ordinary Japanese people are delightful, they're good people, no need to hate them because of what happened in the past, I just hate those right wing nuts and the government.
The Japanese imperial army were very brutal and savagery, unlike many other countries that basically just surrendered, they faced pretty tough resistance from Chinese, which they didn't expect
Other than the Japanese invasion, the CCP wouldn't have had the chance to grow and China would be a whole another country from the current one.
Definitely a real, historical event but the numbers are most likely exaggerated as they're published by the Communist party of China.
QUOTE (tSekaTheKhan @ Jul 21 2011, 08:23 PM)
Definitely a real, historical event but the numbers are most likely exaggerated as they're published by the Communist party of China.
They let monkeys on the internet now?
QUOTE (freezingpoint @ Jul 21 2011, 09:06 PM)
They let monkeys on the internet now?
Did I say something that offends you?
Were the massacres systematic?
I wonder what grudge did the Japanese hold against Chinese that they took it out on the innocents to such extreme extend.
In other countries like my Vietnam, the Japanese did commit many crimes, however not so gruesome.
I wonder what grudge did the Japanese hold against Chinese that they took it out on the innocents to such extreme extend.
In other countries like my Vietnam, the Japanese did commit many crimes, however not so gruesome.
QUOTE (tSekaTheKhan @ Jul 21 2011, 09:12 PM)
Did I say something that offends you?
No, your face offends me. Did I say something that offends YOU?
Just study history in its context.
The Japanese needed to crush the morale of the Chinese and boost their own, so the government encouraged its generals to preach bull$hit propaganda to their soldiers about the superiority of the Japanese people and the subhuman nature of the Chinese people.
Political brainwashing+heat of battle/military mentality=Gruesome deaths
Very similar to the German treatment of Russian soldiers; the former had to dehumanize the latter for morale boosts.
The Japanese needed to crush the morale of the Chinese and boost their own, so the government encouraged its generals to preach bull$hit propaganda to their soldiers about the superiority of the Japanese people and the subhuman nature of the Chinese people.
Political brainwashing+heat of battle/military mentality=Gruesome deaths
Very similar to the German treatment of Russian soldiers; the former had to dehumanize the latter for morale boosts.
karma, death brought by revenge of the ancient survivors? or a ploy when you are looking at western involvement, not excluding communism either.
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It happened, but there're controversies on the number of victims. Nevertheless, human history is very brutal...
I already knew that.
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Today, ordinary Japanese people are delightful, they're good people, no need to hate them because of what happened in the past, I just hate those right wing nuts and the government.
Agree.
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I wonder what grudge did the Japanese hold against Chinese that they took it out on the innocents to such extreme extend.
Ramen Is Racist
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As Japan's most popular Chinese dish, shina soba symbolized the expanding Japanese empire, according to Katarzyna Joanna Cwiertka, author of Modern Japanese Cuisine: Food, Power, and National Identity. By the early 20th century, this empire included Korea, Taiwan, Manchuria, eastern Siberia, parts of China, and many South Pacific islands. Giddy totalitarianism spawned "a China boom" in Japan, Cwiertka asserts:
Chinese-style decorations, costumes, and products were eagerly consumed by the Japanese public as they translated colonialism into a concrete experience. By physically interacting with China through the ingestion of Chinese food and drink, the Japanese masses were brought closer to the idea of empire.
In other words, to eat shina soba in those years was to symbolically gobble up China itself. As China represented the empire's biggest prize, a bowl of shina soba represented nothing less than world domination.
After Japan lost its empire in World War II, the word shina came under fire. Deplored by many as a symbol of imperialist aggression and Japanese wartime atrocities in China and beyond, shina was now seen as a horrific ethnic slur, embodying imperialist xenophobia: in other words, racist. Shina soba was briefly renamed chuka soba; chuka is a less politically incorrect Japanese term for "Chinese-style." But in 1958, Nissin Foods introduced the first-ever packaged instant version of the dish. As its broth was chicken-flavored, the product was called Chikin Ramen.
Chinese-style decorations, costumes, and products were eagerly consumed by the Japanese public as they translated colonialism into a concrete experience. By physically interacting with China through the ingestion of Chinese food and drink, the Japanese masses were brought closer to the idea of empire.
In other words, to eat shina soba in those years was to symbolically gobble up China itself. As China represented the empire's biggest prize, a bowl of shina soba represented nothing less than world domination.
After Japan lost its empire in World War II, the word shina came under fire. Deplored by many as a symbol of imperialist aggression and Japanese wartime atrocities in China and beyond, shina was now seen as a horrific ethnic slur, embodying imperialist xenophobia: in other words, racist. Shina soba was briefly renamed chuka soba; chuka is a less politically incorrect Japanese term for "Chinese-style." But in 1958, Nissin Foods introduced the first-ever packaged instant version of the dish. As its broth was chicken-flavored, the product was called Chikin Ramen.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anneli-rufus...t_b_870470.html
I'm not sure how reliable the article above, but I will just post it here in case it necessary for future debate/discussion and hopefully, it help answering PTDTCH's question because I'm curious about it as well.
It happened, but the numbers are greatly exaggerated.....just like another certain genocide that happened in WW2 Europe.
I done my dissertation for my masters degree on the Nanking massacre.
Its safe to say at least 200,000 people were murdered at Nanking.
However lots of towns and cities en route to Nanking from Shanghai were also destroyed and their inhabitants murdered by the Japanese. There wasnt just 'One Nanking massacre' there were several of them.
Its safe to say at least 200,000 people were murdered at Nanking.
However lots of towns and cities en route to Nanking from Shanghai were also destroyed and their inhabitants murdered by the Japanese. There wasnt just 'One Nanking massacre' there were several of them.
I don't trust the Chinese goverment for jack, because a regime is allways super biased and lies it's @$$ of --> it's called propaganda.
Seeing as that KMT even supports the 300,000 number I can't see how this is a commie propaganda.
Were the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki real?
QUOTE (HappyDayChina @ Jul 28 2011, 03:44 AM)
Seeing as that KMT even supports the 300,000 number I can't see how this is a commie propaganda.
I'm not saying thatthere wasn't a massacre but what are the exact numbers...
QUOTE (Titanium @ Jul 28 2011, 04:13 AM)
Were the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki real?
I think they left craters
QUOTE (PTDTCH @ Jul 22 2011, 10:12 AM)
Were the massacres systematic?
I wonder what grudge did the Japanese hold against Chinese that they took it out on the innocents to such extreme extend.
In other countries like my Vietnam, the Japanese did commit many crimes, however not so gruesome.
I wonder what grudge did the Japanese hold against Chinese that they took it out on the innocents to such extreme extend.
In other countries like my Vietnam, the Japanese did commit many crimes, however not so gruesome.
I think it was just a callus disregard for life. I've heard some pretty fu-ked up stories before. My grandmother in law remembered seeing one of the prettier pregnant woman in her village be impaled through the vagina by angry Japanese soldiers...not to mention those brutal experiments that the Japanese officers got away with. Then there were the deaths due to the Bataan Death March.
As someone above me said it really was a callus disregard for life and not really systamatic.
Some people argue that the reason why the Japanese commited mass murder at Nanking, was because of the tough fight the Chinese gave them at Shanghai.
Some people argue that the reason why the Japanese commited mass murder at Nanking, was because of the tough fight the Chinese gave them at Shanghai.
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