ocrap is a fahg too. im more ami than you are. since you are from the south you are sort of a mix between southern melanesian and northern ami

lol oh please...visayan is nowhere near as south as mindnao...

and according to graham theory this woman must really be melanesian..considering she's from the south

yes she is clearly melanesian, you can tell.

seriously though, ejay you have a southern inferiority complex. always talking trash about Luzon people. show your own pic, lets see how Ami you are

yes she looks so australoid compared to the average poor person in manila..

from my understanding its manila people who trash talk about southerners all the time....ocrap being the biggest one

and no i haven't trashed talk about the whole of luzon...just the manila area

ocrap doen't count. he has identity issues.. and self-hate tendencies (like you)

Bisayans belong to BOTH the domestic helper / blue collar category and in the slums of Manila. Don't take this personally though. I'm just stating what is true. LOL How'd I know they were Visayans? Well, I've interviewed them and most of the answers are "Ako galing sa Samar", and so on so forth, mentioning the name of a Visayan island.

No where did I claim that. I just said that the rich and light-skinned native Filipinos tend to have more Chinese blood compared to the average Filipino. LOL



Hahaha. And how can a population of roughly nomadic 1000 Aetas from Pinatubo ALTER THE ETHNIC LANDSCAPE of a metropolis that boasts of a population of 12,000,000?!?!?! Considering that only a minuscule of that 1000 Aeta population even went out of their mountainous homeland... and also considering the fact that Aetas can't stand living outside of their society and village ... your claims are COMPLETE CRAP AND COMPLETE $H!-T.

Luzon is Ami. Visayans are Australoidized Borneans. Mindanao is Borneanized Melanesians. End of story.



30% of Ami genome even before Chinese went to Taiwan is similar to Southern Chinese.

And genetic research shows that most of the DNA of Pinoys (especially non-Luzon peoples) are NOWHERE LIKE that of the AMI genome! Only their Y-DNA are similar to Ami because of the Austronesian invaders!!!!!



You said "Manila and the surrounding area". So that includes Pampanga. Hahaha.

Yep - that includes the Manila people who are fourth or fifth generation Visayans living in slums. Visayan people trash talk their own kind. Even in TV shows, it's the Manila-based Visayans who imitate and laugh pejoratively at FOB Visayans with accents.

Tagalogs wouldn't really care about Visayans whether they speak with a lilting accent or not...

And again, Hiligaynon and Kinaray-a come from Borneo, not DIRECTLY from Taiwan. So you couldn't claim to be Ami. Besides, have you even saw a TRUE AMI? A true Ami without Chinese blood will have strong Australoid (Proto-Ainuid) features because they themselves also have Australoid blood!

So whether you're an Ami or an Australoidized Bornean (i.e., Visayan), you still have Australoid blood. End.



LOL. Totally NOT!!!

No the Australoidization is a long process dating back pre historic times even the 10 Datu Malay clan even intermarried with the Negritos who know maybe the Spaniards also intermarried with the Negritos and there were even documented cases were American Soldiers in Clarke and Subic intermarried also with the Zambales Negritos. Mount Pinatubo just erupted 20 years ago so this phenomena is not significant because they also returned to their homeland afterwards.

The bulk of the Negrito population is not even in Pampanga it is in Eastern Luzon where many Agta and Dumagat Negritos live and they are the ones who greatly affected the Australodization of the Philippines many years ago.

Yep, and EJAY, note WHERE THOSE 10 DATU MALAYS FIRST LANDED and intermarried with the AYTAS? It's PANAY, right? Your homeland?

I say embrace your kin and stop denying them and their existence. Seriously, you got to love your brothers.

western visayans have ancestry from both ami and back migration of ami who migrated to borneo from philippines

austronesian descended people in borneo

nowhere was it recorded that the datu intermarried with ati...it was always stated that austronesians and atis lived seperately

lol besides....luzon has a much bigger negrito population

NNAAAAH.
ONLY BACK MIGRATION OF AMI - or more correctly called as the "Bornean migrants".



They did marry each other. Otherwise, the inbreeeding between the families of the 10 Malay Datus would've resulted to genetic diseases. Oh well, there's a X-Linked Dystonia-Parkinsonism (Ilonggo name: Lubag) in Capiz, Panay. It's said that it's only in Capiz where the Datus refused to marry with the native Atis.

So unless you have this, I think you have Ati genes. Anyway, even those afflicted with Lubag look Australoid....

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Of course, Luzon has a bigger Negrito population... so I wonder where the Negrito population in Visayas went? Into your genes, I suppose?

History don't lie

lol inbreeding if only 10 datus came...though in reality steady migrations came from both borneo and northern philippines..so no need to intermix with negritos...hence why there is still negritos visible in visayas...if intermixing occured there would be no negritos in visayas

lol the negrito population in visayas was never large...and FYI the atis r still there

LOL someone's opinion on his public blog does not count as fact....
in fact every kinaraya has his own opinion of origin of kinaraya...most kinaraya suggest that negritos lived in the mountains and the visayans lived in the lowlands
some western visayans did prob mix....though majority did not

That seals it. Ejay is partly Negrito.




10 Datus came for liberation from political persecution by the Borneo Sultan. Otherwise, they wouldn't go to the Visayas. So it's safe to assume that no other Bornean groups followed them because they were the only ten at odds with the Sultan. Got it?

So steady migrations came from NORTHERN PHILIPPINES, you say... Where in Northern Philippines is a place closer to the Visayas other than the TAGALOG REGION OF BATANGAS?

LOL there were no tagalogs at the time when Philippines was first settled by austronesians

LOL there is another website claiming the borneans fought the ati when they first arrived...it was only after bartering with the negrito leader did the fighting stop
so you claiming fact from a lone website is nothing

ejay just admit it. you are a tagalog. you are self hating

wtf im not tagalog...i don't have problems with luzon people...I just have problems with stuck up manilenos

what the hell would you know about manilenos, you live in VA. you are probably a military brat

If fact people in Manila are mixed with all kinds of Filipinos from Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao and there are also Mestizos, Tsinoys, Amboys, etc... and they all converge in Manila and overcrowding it in the process that is why I do not want to live in Manila I rather live in the mountains for more serenity.

But there were Tagalogs already when the Bornean Visayans came. So apparently, it's just right that the true natives - the Tagalogs and Luzon people - rule the Philippines.

It's just plain impossible that no mixing happened. Panay is so small.

Precisely. Most Chinese, Caucasians, and other foreigners in the Philippines all live in Manila. In the process, most modern Manilenyos are a combination of native Tagalog (and/or Visayan / Pampango / Ilocano), Chinese, and Spanish. The Manilenyos therefore, are the most cosmopolitan people in the rest of the archipelago.

Unlike in Antique where the people are mixed migrant Bornean and Ati.

borneans were a back migration from earlier migrations of austronesians to borneo from Philippines....I was talking about when Philippines was 1st settled by austronesians...not when the back migration happened
I didn't say no mixing happened....Im saying it was minimal at best
LOL you take things in extreme.....

LOL in reality...Manila is basically rich chinese and poor australoids...with austronesin(visayan,ilocano,pampangan) in the middle

lol ocrap you know its wrong to claim your opinions as facts right...just because 2 individual races live in the same area does not mean they will both mix to such extremes...if what you say is true there would be no more visible atis left...and thats not true...
most historians agree that bornean migrants and atis lived seperately...

lol how many mixed ati u know who look like this....

Found this pic while looking through some of my cousins facebooks. Definitely a lot of Australoid admixture in there...




and they're from Bicol, which is very close to the Visayas.

lol bicol is in luzon..and not all of them look australoid admixture
from that picture 3 or 4 look slightly austra admixture...though not as austra as poor people in manila

You act like there's some wall between Luzon and the Visayas. You put too much stock into regions. Bicol is strongly connected to the Visayans culturally. And some of the people in the pics are definitely more Australoid than people in Manila.

again not all of them look austra mixed...the guy in the middle picture to the left doesn't look austra....he just looks like a really dark southern mongoloid
the top and bottom do look austra

there is no wall...but an ocean seperating visayas from luzon...only way through that is by boat...hence why austronesians are everywhere in the Philippines

LOL. Those faces REPRESENT THE AVERAGE FILIPINO!

There's obviously AUSTRALOID ADMIXTURE IN ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THERE! ONLY ejay/DPSLOCK DENIES IT!!!!

Manila people tend to look a lot more Asian than these Australoid-looking peoples you find in the parts of the Philippines outside of Manila.

lol orlly

Manila/s finest courtesy of Graham...they sure do look more asian then people outside of Manila huh
only the chinese in manila look asian....












and an australoid looking woman from Visayas....she looks nowhere near asian compared to those manila people...LMAO

I have a feeling that all you do is look at someone's eye shape to determine if they're Australoid or Mongoloid. Dont you know that when you mixed two groups, some people will have some features from one group, and some features from another. Just because someone has small Mongoloid eyes, doesn't discount the other Australoid features. The guy in the middle has the biggest, flattest nose out of all of them, but all you focus on is the eyes.

flat nose is also present amongst other southern mongoloids...caucasian like nose is not an southern mongoloid feature...papuans have the straightest most aquiline nose..yet they are australoids



here are some real western visayans from antique..taken from my cousin's facebook



whats funny is according to ocrap everyone outside manila is austra...and everyone in manila looks asian
whats ironic is the people who look closest to papuans are the people within manila...

good point. both races have varying degrees of flat nosed people. plenty of east asians have flat noses, and negritos can have flat noses too. just like the bushmen of africa can have asian-like eyes, as well as native americans

the only real way to tell if one is australoid is through their skullshape

I have seen filos with very austra features...and they are very distinguishable from the typical austonesian look....ocrap has not been outside of luzon...so his experience with the different types of phenotypes of filos is limited

to him its all simple...every dark skinned filo(even if they have no australoid features) is australoid and every light skinned filo is chinese or mixed chinese
he bases this not on scientific research....but based soley on assuming every light skinned filo is chinese mixed

and he always uses karafet study...even though he knows full well that studies were done on ethnic minority subjects and half of the subjects came from negrito groups...he dismisses the 9 other studies because he disagrees with them..he chooses to use 1 study because it goes with his theory even though he is using a chart of ethnic minorities to represent the genetic breakdown of the majority??

of course according to ocrap those students above are pure ami..even though 1 of them is indistinguishable from an aeta

there goes your theory of the more southern you are the darker/more australoid you are

students from my hometown in antique

average people in Iloilo



woman from Samar...yeah ocrap she really does look like those poor in Manila.....not



woman from Mindanao

OK fine. Live in your dream world where Filipinos look East Asians!

And btw, some of the people in your Iloilo pic are ETHNIC CHINESE. Iloilo has a lot of Ethnic Chinese. I have lots of [Chinese] relatives over there! Hehehe. Who are you kidding?

you guys are way too concerned with skin color. you are men amirite?

LOL sure ocrap...whatever floats your boat
those r pics of normal everyday people you see in Iloilo....not ethnic chinese...the only one who isn't ordinary is the girl in red..
how do u have relatives there when your a tagalog??

Not really. As there is NO formal definition for race, it is still usually the case that the whole picture - the entire set of features - are examined to conclude whether this individual is a member of this or that race. Like I said Filipinos are mostly Mongoloid and partly Australoid - ERGO, don't expect Filipinos to have VERY OBVIOUS AUSTRALOID FEATURES. It's most subtle - like in the skin color, roundness of the eyes, thickness of lips, etcetera.

The most defining thing about Caucasians is their light skin (as well as aquiline noses, long skulls, etc.). Likewise, the most defining thing about Malays (Mongo-Australs) is their BROWN SKIN - that's why the Malay race is called the LAHING KAYUMANGGI. LOL. Even Filipino folk songs say that ONLY the kulay kayumanggi people are the "true" katutubo.

HALF OF THE KARAFET STUDY CAME FROM HALF-AUSTRALOID (not Negrito) groups and THE OTHER HALF FROM THE PUREST AUSTRONESIAN STOCKS (the Ivatans and the Igorot). ALL OF THEM SHOW AUSTRALOID ADMIXTURE.

So case closed. Filipinos and all SEA are PARTLY AUSTRALOID. Learn to live with that.



Can't you read... I said I have Chinese relatives there. There is a large Chinese minority in Iloilo! The man is likewise Chinese.

And all the rest do NOT look PURE Mongoloid at all. They look PURE Malay rather. Malay, being Mongoloid-Australoid.

There is even a Chinatown in Iloilo just like in Manila

LOL all the people in the picture besides the 2 women in the left side are blood relatives...so how are they of 2 different races?? fail again ocrap

this is what happens when you try to pass off your opinions as facts...

Molo is one of the seven districts of Iloilo City. It was built by Spaniards and was formerly called the Parian (Chinatown) due to its large number of Chinese residents and their business establishments in the area at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molo,_Iloilo_City

I'm talking about the kid, not the two women on the left side.



... which is the origin of the Pancit Molo, anyways!

Pancit Molo being derived from Chinese noodles!

There were a lot of Chinese in Iloilo even before Spanish incursion. Like I said, the Western Philippine cities were ports of call for the Chinese mariners and traders. That's why they discovered the Spratlys.

This is why Western Philippine peoples (the lowlanders) tend to look Asian, and the Eastern Philippine peoples tend to look more Australoid.

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The Philippines, together with all the Malay and Pacific Islander countries, all have a dual Asiatic-Australoid heritage, leaning more toward the Asian, of course. A lot of cultures of Pinoys including that of the Malays are obviously Australoid.

didn't i tell you that everyone but the kid is typical filipino...maybe you have a hard time reading

dude chinese where everywhere...so by your calculations everybody in the world would look chinese if everywhere they traded they mixed with

its really BS for you to claim anyone in the Philippines with the slightest mongoloid features as an ethnic chinese

LOL. So is the man a "typical Filipino"?!?! LOL!

I'm talking about the prehistoric, or rather, preCOLONIAL settlements of the Chinese, which included SOME ports in the soon-to-be Philippines. These ports include Manila, Lingayen, Vigan, Batangas, Iloilo, Cebu, Sulu, and Butuan.

Well, it's REALLY BS FOR YOU AS WELL TO CLAIM THAT A LIGHT-SKINNED WOMAN WHO LOOKS VERY EAST ASIAN is a full-blooded Pinoy! LOL

oh right...according to chinese-filipinos...chinese brought civilization(farming rice, wearing clothes, written language, and metal working) to the Philippines
I don't trust your BS chinese view of how the Philippines was you traitor....

Im headed to the Philippines tomorrow...Im gonna take pictures and we will see who is right

LOL well she sure as hell doesn't identify as ethnic chinese...like your negrito @$$ is doing

I am sure you will post cherry picked Filipinos you took pictures of what do you expect you are the Ejay.

I advise you to take pics in Manila, Iloilo, Cebu, etc... there you will see many Filipinos you like them to be. Do not go to the Rizal area you will be disapointed.

are you neighbors with ocrap, martin??

don't worry I will avoid Rizal and other places occupied by many ocraps and martins
those places r rather dangerous for tourists to go anyway...