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Workers baked alive in bread factory horror

Two bakery workers died in agony after bosses sent them into a giant oven to carry out repairs on the cheap, a court heard yesterday.
The machine should have been allowed to cool for 12 hours, but was only left for two.
David Mayes and Ian Erickson were unaware of the full danger as they crawled into the oven because fans had cooled its outer reaches to 40c. Its core, however, was still at 100c.
The repair was a delicate procedure in which they had to collect broken parts from along the length of a conveyor belt which carries bread trays slowly through the 75ft-long oven.
They had removed enough trays to allow them space within the rails of the belt to crawl along with it at the same speed.
But within five minutes they were relaying terrified messages over their walkie-talkies, saying the oven was too hot. There was no way of reversing the belt and they were trapped on its journey through the oven.
Mr Erickson, 44, was pulled out at the other end and died on the factory floor in front of horrified workmates
Mr Mayes, 47, collapsed inside and was caught in the machinery. He died from 80 per cent burns and multiple fractures.
The tragedy occurred because the Harvestime bakery in Leicester put productivity above safety, prosecutor Anthony Barker QC, told Leicester Crown Court. Harvestime had been told by the oven's manufacturers that the operation would take four men 12 hours.
The company would have lost £1,120 for every hour the oven was shut down.
The two men were sent into the oven just two hours after it had been baking bread at 260c and managers decided they could go in through the entrance hatch to avoid the cost of removing side panels.
The company, part of the Walsall-based William Price Group, and three of its directors face huge fines after admitting their parts in the tragedy.
Fresha Bakeries Ltd and Harvestime Ltd, Fresha's trading arm, each pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to provide a safe system of work.
Fresha managing director John Bridson, 53, of Hale, Cheshire, admitted two similar charges.
Production director Brian Jones, 59, of Hartford, North-wich, Cheshire, pleaded guilty to a single count of the same offence.
Chief engineer Dennis Masters, 44, of Mountsorrel, Leicestershire, admitted one charge of failing to take reasonable care for others at work.
The court heard that when asked after the deaths if he had set up a 'permit to work' system, Mr Masters replied: '****, I forgot. I'll sort it out now.'
Mr Barker said: 'The work should have been carried out in temperatures of no more than 40 degrees, but the gauges would have read 100 degrees.
'The men were provided with a thin suit, hat and gloves, with protected knee and elbow padding. But these were last-minute thoughts.
'Those men went in when it was hot enough to boil water, in such circumstances where serious injury or death was inevitable.'
On the day of the tragedy in May 1998, Mr Erickson, of Walsall, admitted he wanted to get the job done quickly so he could go home and watch the FA Cup Final with his two sons.
Mr Mayes, of Rushey Mead, Leicestershire, had told friends the night before: 'I have a challenge in the morning. I am going for it - the money is good.'
Coleman Treacy QC, defending, said: 'This was an avoidable accident. The company acknowledges it was at fault.
'It failed in its duty to both men, and that has caused untold heartache to the families. For this we publicly apologise.'
The hearing continues.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-60...l#ixzz1VTjR7vCc
Imtherealsugarbaby
i would have refused to do it
DPSlock
this would probably end up in an episode of 1000 ways to die
samnang
what half-baked work conditions.

employee safety was put on the back-burner.

it was a recipe for disaster.

their situation got way too heated.

it's a shame that's the way their cookie crumbled.

i hope the evil baker's goose get cooked.
LittleDeathAngel
QUOTE (DPSlock @ Aug 19 2011, 08:31 AM) *
this would probably end up in an episode of 1000 ways to die


Yea....
planxty
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Workers baked alive in bread factory horror
Two men baked alive after greedy English boss send them to the oven, for repairs.
Two bakery workers died in agony after bosses sent them into a giant oven to carry out repairs on the cheap, a court heard yesterday...[snip]

Wow..like there weren't ever any greedy factory owners in China... icon_rolleyes.gif
The Chinese milk scandal springs to mind...


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“Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.” - Bertrand Russell
“If patriotism is 'the last refuge of a scoundrel,' it is not merely because evil deeds may be performed in the name of patriotism, but because patriotic fervor can obliterate moral distinctions altogether” - Ralph B. Perry
“Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy” - George Bernard Shaw
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.” - Oscar Wilde
chukyakenz
QUOTE (samnang @ Aug 19 2011, 07:44 AM) *
what half-baked work conditions.

employee safety was put on the back-burner.

it was a recipe for disaster.

their situation got way too heated.

it's a shame that's the way their cookie crumbled.

i hope the evil baker's goose get cooked.



i especially liked the 2nd one.
togepi
Posting an article from 2001 to prove the greed of English Capitalist.

How many 10,000s dead in Chinese coal mines?
phop
Thats the best way to murder someone if your rich and owns big corporations, then hired that person you want to murder and put him on dangerous job. Murder his @$$ that way, then go to court and say $hit fu-k I FORGOT. Then pay a couple of bucks as fines by the court and your good to leave and enjoy your rich lifestyle. Now thats what im talking about, the RICH people enjoy TRUE FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY, something that retarded civilians can not enjoy.
KojTusMeHavnim
I hope they don't bake bread in that oven anymore. I wouldn't eat the bread knowing it baked two men alive...

Sad story... icon_sad.gif
mushrooms
QUOTE (samnang @ Aug 19 2011, 05:44 AM) *
what half-baked work conditions.

employee safety was put on the back-burner.

it was a recipe for disaster.

their situation got way too heated.

it's a shame that's the way their cookie crumbled.

i hope the evil baker's goose get cooked.



im going to hell for loling at this...
planxty
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Aug 22 2011, 10:20 PM) *
I hope they don't bake bread in that oven anymore. I wouldn't eat the bread knowing it baked two men alive...

Sad story... icon_sad.gif

Let's hope they didn't resume production the next day to keep the production lines rolling... icon_sad.gif
devils666
QUOTE (planxty @ Aug 20 2011, 03:42 PM) *
Wow..like there weren't ever any greedy factory owners in China... icon_rolleyes.gif
The Chinese milk scandal springs to mind...


======================
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." - Samuel Johnson
“Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.” - Bertrand Russell
“If patriotism is 'the last refuge of a scoundrel,' it is not merely because evil deeds may be performed in the name of patriotism, but because patriotic fervor can obliterate moral distinctions altogether” - Ralph B. Perry
“Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy” - George Bernard Shaw
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.” - Oscar Wilde


here come the western trolls bringing China into the topic when it has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHINA.
SkyBurial
That's a messed up way to die.

QUOTE (planxty @ Aug 20 2011, 04:42 PM) *
Wow..like there weren't ever any greedy factory owners in China... icon_rolleyes.gif
The Chinese milk scandal springs to mind...


======================
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." - Samuel Johnson
“Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.” - Bertrand Russell
“If patriotism is 'the last refuge of a scoundrel,' it is not merely because evil deeds may be performed in the name of patriotism, but because patriotic fervor can obliterate moral distinctions altogether” - Ralph B. Perry
“Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy” - George Bernard Shaw
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.” - Oscar Wilde



QUOTE (togepi @ Aug 22 2011, 06:30 AM) *
Posting an article from 2001 to prove the greed of English Capitalist.

How many 10,000s dead in Chinese coal mines?

Are you both retarded? What the fu-k does this have to do with China?
planxty
QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 24 2011, 06:52 PM) *
What the fu-k does this have to do with China?

The OP is, I believe, Chinese and has a history of posting anti-UK news articles. Don't throw stones in glass houses and all that...
SkyBurial
QUOTE (planxty @ Aug 24 2011, 05:51 PM) *
The OP is, I believe, Chinese and has a history of posting anti-UK news articles. Don't throw stones in glass houses and all that...

I just did a quick checked on 10 pages in AF Lounge and the closest I can find of an "anti-UK news article" would be this one. Again this has nothing to do with China, do you attack China simply because the poster is Chinese?
devils666
QUOTE (planxty @ Aug 24 2011, 04:51 PM) *
The OP is, I believe, Chinese and has a history of posting anti-UK news articles. Don't throw stones in glass houses and all that...


So anyone who posts something "anti-UK" is Chinese? Does that warrant unrelated China bashing?

FYI, most people in the world HATE Anglos, including other Europeans. The majority of UK bashing comes from Irish people.
planxty
QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 25 2011, 12:06 AM) *
I just did a quick checked on 10 pages in AF Lounge and the closest I can find of an "anti-UK news article" ...

You obviously didn't search very hard.
In the wider context of the thread, a quick 5 minute search revealed the following racist threads and posts by the OP:
"WHITE MAN's poisonous Apple factory in China found guilty of, poisoning workers" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=255635
"This is why China should limit male foreigners coming in" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=274495
"White people always trying to pass the blame on someone else other than their own race and its fu-king pathetic." http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=260726
"fu-k male foreigners" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4352633
"Please do not group the Chinese with the dirty Europeans" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4642740
"white trash needs to get the fu-k off asia" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4365162
"Genocide is in the making in UK, Karma?" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=237064
"100 Sled Dogs Killed by WHITE MAN In British Columbia Due To Slump In, in Tourism" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=253982
"i have no sympathy now for those people [jews] who died in the holocaust." http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4410128
"NICOLAS CAGE arrested for abusing his Asian wife." http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=262051
Kaifeng Jews are nothing but a bunch of traitorous Jew http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=285183
"I don't really like eurasian or white males" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4658712
"fu-king muslims always stir $hit up for no reason" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4592714

QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 25 2011, 12:06 AM) *
Again this has nothing to do with China, do you attack China simply because the poster is Chinese?

I pointed out the hypocrisy of someone who, as it turned out, happened to be Chinese. Would have done the same whatever the race was. Hope you are able to understand the distinction. Maybe you have similar racist views to the OP?
planxty
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 25 2011, 05:03 AM) *
So anyone who posts something "anti-UK" is Chinese? Does that warrant unrelated China bashing?

I don't know how you draw that conclusion. Disingenuous straw man argument.

QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 25 2011, 05:03 AM) *
FYI, most people in the world HATE Anglos, including other Europeans. The majority of UK bashing comes from Irish people.

You sound like another knuckle-dragging, foaming at the mouth racist, like the OP.
SkyBurial
QUOTE (planxty @ Aug 25 2011, 04:12 AM) *
You obviously didn't search very hard.
In the wider context of the thread, a quick 5 minute search revealed the following racist threads and posts by the OP:
"WHITE MAN's poisonous Apple factory in China found guilty of, poisoning workers" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=255635
"This is why China should limit male foreigners coming in" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=274495
"White people always trying to pass the blame on someone else other than their own race and its fu-king pathetic." http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=260726
"fu-k male foreigners" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4352633
"Please do not group the Chinese with the dirty Europeans" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4642740
"white trash needs to get the fu-k off asia" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4365162
"Genocide is in the making in UK, Karma?" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=237064
"100 Sled Dogs Killed by WHITE MAN In British Columbia Due To Slump In, in Tourism" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=253982
"i have no sympathy now for those people [jews] who died in the holocaust." http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4410128
"NICOLAS CAGE arrested for abusing his Asian wife." http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=262051
Kaifeng Jews are nothing but a bunch of traitorous Jew http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=285183
"I don't really like eurasian or white males" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4658712
"fu-king muslims always stir $hit up for no reason" http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4592714

Oh I didn't know all that encompasses the UK. Unless the UK now represents the entire face of the West. :O

If you wanted to argue about his racist viewpoints then you can do so without bringing China into this.
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I pointed out the hypocrisy of someone who, as it turned out, happened to be Chinese. Would have done the same whatever the race was. Hope you are able to understand the distinction. Maybe you have similar racist views to the OP?

How is it hypocritical if he doesn't even compare it to China. He's not on a high horse looking smug and saying China is any better (well, maybe he is, but we can't know for sure).

Oh and just because I'm arguing about why you brought China into this, doesn't necessarily mean I agree with his views.
devils666
QUOTE (planxty @ Aug 25 2011, 03:15 AM) *
I don't know how you draw that conclusion. Disingenuous straw man argument.


You sound like another knuckle-dragging, foaming at the mouth racist, like the OP.


lame comeback. If anyone is a straw-man it's you. And it's true that most of Europe hates the Anglos, especially celts.
Superzooi
hmmm baked english, my favorite
YourMuDoIsWeak
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 25 2011, 09:39 PM) *
lame comeback. If anyone is a straw-man it's you. And it's true that most of Europe hates the Anglos, especially celts.

So they hate on the Scottish and Irish huh, those are the people with the strongest ties to the celts. Anglo-saxons came from the mainland like the normans.
devils666
QUOTE (YourMuDoIsWeak @ Aug 27 2011, 11:41 PM) *
So they hate on the Scottish and Irish huh, those are the people with the strongest ties to the celts. Anglo-saxons came from the mainland like the normans.


You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....
YourMuDoIsWeak
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 28 2011, 01:14 AM) *
You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....

I see my bad haha.
togepi
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 28 2011, 01:14 AM) *
You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....


Many Asians (Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, Vietnamese, Hongkongese, Taiwanese) hate mainland Chinese.
Many Asians (Chinese, Korean) hate Japanese.

They are tolerated for economic reasons.

The 'hate' you speak of in Europe is mainly a mere mutual friendly rivalry, if Europeans really did hate each other, the European Union wouldn't have lasted so long. Many Europeans visit other European countries on holiday, the currency is the same and there are no border checks (Schengen), in most countries European kids will learn English/German/French as second language. There has always been a rivalry in the European football cup, but there is no nationalistic/racist fighting like you see in Asia (eg China vs Japan football game). Asia will never ever be like that.

The Europeans sorted their 'beef' out after WWII whilst the Asians still have WWII, Cold War feuds, land disputes, entrenched cultural hatred.
devils666
QUOTE (togepi @ Aug 28 2011, 05:48 AM) *
Many Asians (Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, Vietnamese, Hongkongese, Taiwanese) hate mainland Chinese.
Many Asians (Chinese, Korean) hate Japanese.

They are tolerated for economic reasons.

The 'hate' you speak of in Europe is mainly a mere mutual friendly rivalry, if Europeans really did hate each other, the European Union wouldn't have lasted so long. Many Europeans visit other European countries on holiday, the currency is the same and there are no border checks (Schengen), in most countries European kids will learn English/German/French as second language. There has always been a rivalry in the European football cup, but there is no nationalistic/racist fighting like you see in Asia (eg China vs Japan football game). Asia will never ever be like that.

The Europeans sorted their 'beef' out after WWII whilst the Asians still have WWII, Cold War feuds, land disputes, entrenched cultural hatred.


You aren't even Asian so what do you know? Most of my friends are Vietnamese and Korean - they like Chinese people a lot better than White people! I also have relatives in Taiwan and Hong Kong - trust me, they don't hate mainlanders. The #1 tourists in China are from Korea. The #1 tourists in Japan are from China.

FYI: Britian isn't part of the EU.

Britain has been trying to control the rest of Europe for centuries. The Brits treat Irish like scum and made them second class citizens. They also tried many times to take over scotland, ever seen Braveheart? The only reason they "united" is because of WW2. If WW2 had never happened, all europeans would still be fighting each other.
togepi
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 28 2011, 12:20 PM) *
You aren't even Asian so what do you know? Most of my friends are Vietnamese and Korean - they like Chinese people a lot better than White people! I also have relatives in Taiwan and Hong Kong - trust me, they don't hate mainlanders. The #1 tourists in China are from Korea. The #1 tourists in Japan are from China.

FYI: Britian isn't part of the EU.

Britain has been trying to control the rest of Europe for centuries. The Brits treat Irish like scum and made them second class citizens. They also tried many times to take over scotland, ever seen Braveheart? The only reason they "united" is because of WW2. If WW2 had never happened, all europeans would still be fighting each other.


The United Kingdom entered the European Union in 1973 after a popular referendum (democratic vote) in 1972.

You really should learn some modern history.

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Braveheart is a Hollywood film made by an American Jew-hating loser. It is a story, yet it is perceived by those who do not read books as 'history'. Many Scottish people's versions of Scottish history are informed by this Hollywood trash, you are also victim to this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braveheart#Historical_accuracy

All countries have tried to impose their versions of culture and civilisation at some point in the past. Has that never happened in Asia? I don't think so. Human history is full of examples of warring between people, tribes, nations, empires. Do you know how the Qin Kingdom treated the Chu, Han, Wei Kingdoms?

Again I must reiterate - you should read history, and not watch the dumbed-down Hollywood version.

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About the nationalistic hatred in Asia - obviously you live in a North American country, everyone gets along. This is not evidence that there are issues at hand in Asian diplomatic relations: I am dealing with Asian geopolitics, not personal friendships.

Muslims and Jews can be friends, but does that mean that Israel and Iran don't have issues? No.

In Vietnam there are anti-China protests, in Japan there are anti-China, protests, in Taiwan there are anti-China protests, in Tibet there are anti-China protests, in Xinjiang there are anti-China protests, in Hong Kong there are anti-China protest, in Hong Kong there are anti-Japan protests, in China there are anti-Japan protests, in Korea there are anti-Japan protests, in Taiwan, there are anti-Japan protests, in Japan, there are anti-Korea protests. (Search on Google if you don't believe me, all of them exist.)

I have never seen or heard of an anti-France, anti-Germany, anti-Spain protest in Britain. There are no anti-British protests in Europe. Europeans are not nationalistic in the way Asians are. Europeans have bounded together to form a successful Union of political, military and economic co-operation. There is a friendly rivalry between European nations, it is not nationalistic. What comparable effort have Asians made to work together on a governmental level?

Many of the 'goodwill' towards China in Asia is based on an economic survival instinct. Japan needs Chinese consumers to buy their $hit. Vietnam needs Chinese investment. Koreans needs to sell ships and cars in China. Taiwan needs Chinese tourists and Chinese factories to make their crap. However, Asian countries are still suspicious of each other: Ancient history, WWII, Cold War...there is so much beef that remains unresolved so suspicion continues to inform Asian diplomacy and relations.

All Asian countries have land disputes with each other: Liancourt, Paracel, Senkaku, Tsushima, Socotra, Spratly...etc. The only land dispute in Europe comparable to those Asian ones is perhaps Gibraltar, but even still, Spain-British relations are not hindered by childish actions on the level you see in Asia (eg. the fishing boat incident between Japan, China/Taiwan).

The Asia-Pacific list is embarrassingly long - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

Asia is a far, far , far, far way from growing up and learning to co-operate in the way Europeans have.

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However, you are correct about Europe and WWII. WWII was the inevitable result of the power vacuum that came after the indecisive conclusion of WWI. The conclusion that WWII came to was one that was conducive to lasting peace and cooperation. By the end of WWII, British and German military/imperial rivalry was diminished by a weakened and split Germany and by the military weakness Britain showed in its imperial outposts, this allowed the surging prowess of American military and economic power to fill the vacuum, assisted by France and British cooperation.
fivers
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 28 2011, 01:14 AM) *
You misunderstood what I said. I meant that Celtic (Irish people) hate the Anglos the most. But in general, most Europeans have a disdain for Anglos (British) - I don't blame them....


lol not true embarassedlaugh.gif
devils666
^Britain is not an EQUAL partner in the EU. Britain pretty much acts like the Boss of the EU. Also, Britain DOES NOT use Euros, they still use pounds which means they get all the benefits of the EU, but none of the responsibility. If the EU collapsed, Britian would be the only one who comes out unscathed.

Are you denying that the Scottish/UK war for independence didn't happen? Just a few years ago the IRA was a terrorist group - they still are considered terrorists to Anglos.

Ever heard of Bosnia? What about Chechnya?

What about all the protests in Greece? Most northern EU nations look down on Greece. Everyone in Europe distrusts Germany and still considers them Nazi's.

There's also a growing group of Nordicists who believe all S. Europeans are inferior.

But the majority of protests in the UK and US are due to non-Whites (Blacks, natives, hispanics, etc...) showing their hatred for the White majority. So I guess the people of color hate the Anglos more than other Europeans so I'll give you that icon_wink.gif


It's obvious you're just an Anglo troll trying to start $hit. I know how deceptive and manipulative Anglos are - and that is just what my Irish friends say!
togepi
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 28 2011, 02:48 PM) *
^Britain is not an EQUAL partner in the EU. Britain pretty much acts like the Boss of the EU. Also, Britain DOES NOT use Euros, they still use pounds which means they get all the benefits of the EU, but none of the responsibility. If the EU collapsed, Britian would be the only one who comes out unscathed.

Are you denying that the Scottish/UK war for independence didn't happen? Just a few years ago the IRA was a terrorist group - they still are considered terrorists to Anglos.

Ever heard of Bosnia? What about Chechnya?

What about all the protests in Greece? Most northern EU nations look down on Greece. Everyone in Europe distrusts Germany and still considers them Nazi's.

There's also a growing group of Nordicists who believe all S. Europeans are inferior.

But the majority of protests in the UK and US are due to non-Whites (Blacks, natives, hispanics, etc...) showing their hatred for the White majority. So I guess the people of color hate the Anglos more than other Europeans so I'll give you that icon_wink.gif


It's obvious you're just an Anglo troll trying to start $hit. I know how deceptive and manipulative Anglos are - and that is just what my Irish friends say!


You clearly have no grasp of the subtleties of European supranational politics.

Germany is the largest contributor to the EU budget, it is the largest economy with the largest population in Europe, why would they let Britain 'boss' them around?

The only real 'hating' of Germany is perhaps in Poland but in Western Europe, German arts, music, philosophy etc. are widely respected and enjoyed. WWII is seen as an unfortunate period in European history, Germany has repented and no one holds suspicion or grudges. This is totally the opposite in Asia, Japan has not repented for its sins and for as long as they do not China's diplomatic policy will be shrouded by this ghoul of distrust and suspicion.
devils666
QUOTE (togepi @ Aug 28 2011, 02:08 PM) *
You clearly have no grasp of the subtleties of European supranational politics.

Germany is the largest contributor to the EU budget, it is the largest economy with the largest population in Europe, why would they let Britain 'boss' them around?

The only real 'hating' of Germany is perhaps in Poland but in Western Europe, German arts, music, philosophy etc. are widely respected and enjoyed. WWII is seen as an unfortunate period in European history, Germany has repented and no one holds suspicion or grudges. This is totally the opposite in Asia, Japan has not repented for its sins and for as long as they do not China's diplomatic policy will be shrouded by this ghoul of distrust and suspicion.


Germany was forced to Join the EU. In reality, Germany didn't want to join and they hate being part of it because they always have to BAIL everyone out. I know some German businessmen and they always complain about how lazy the rest of the EU is and how they are leeching off of Germany.

There have also been a lot of Jewish protests against Germany all over the world. The fact that Hollywood comes out with an anti-German movie every year is another thing.

Britain has most of the power in the EU. Everyone else is just a pawn. Why do you think the anglo's were allowed to keep the GBP but everyone else had to convert to the EU?

This world is still dominated by Anglos and all the rich Jewish bankers are headquartered in the UK.
fivers
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 28 2011, 01:48 PM) *
^Britain is not an EQUAL partner in the EU. Britain pretty much acts like the Boss of the EU. Also, Britain DOES NOT use Euros, they still use pounds which means they get all the benefits of the EU, but none of the responsibility. If the EU collapsed, Britian would be the only one who comes out unscathed.

Are you denying that the Scottish/UK war for independence didn't happen? Just a few years ago the IRA was a terrorist group - they still are considered terrorists to Anglos.

Ever heard of Bosnia? What about Chechnya?

What about all the protests in Greece? Most northern EU nations look down on Greece. Everyone in Europe distrusts Germany and still considers them Nazi's.

There's also a growing group of Nordicists who believe all S. Europeans are inferior.

But the majority of protests in the UK and US are due to non-Whites (Blacks, natives, hispanics, etc...) showing their hatred for the White majority. So I guess the people of color hate the Anglos more than other Europeans so I'll give you that icon_wink.gif


It's obvious you're just an Anglo troll trying to start $hit. I know how deceptive and manipulative Anglos are - and that is just what my Irish friends say!


uhm no you got it wrong, in general British are seen as gentlemanly and civilized throughout Europe

if any, than it's the Maghrebin population that is looked down on by a lot of Europeans... Hispanics are a tiny minority here and they're often seen as exotic, friendly, festive and sexy cf. Bresil stereotype
devils666
QUOTE (fivers @ Aug 28 2011, 02:21 PM) *
uhm no you got it wrong, in general British are seen as gentlemanly and civilized throughout Europe

if any, than it's the Maghrebin population that is looked down on by a lot of Europeans... Hispanics are a tiny minority here and they're often seen as exotic, friendly, festive and sexy cf. Bresil stereotype


The berbers/Gypsies of Europe are also looked down upon and discriminated.

I once new a French exchange student that told me that Anglos are very "civil" in public, but they are absolute perverted freaks behind closed doors. At least French people put it out there. The Anglos just try to decieve everyone.
togepi
You are very peculiar devils666.

So far in this thread you have mentioned that you have:

Vietnamese friends
Korean friends
German businessmen friends
French exchange friends

In order to provide 'evidence' in your debate.

Do you not go to an American liberal arts college where the art of rhetoric in debate is taught?

devils666
QUOTE (togepi @ Aug 28 2011, 02:34 PM) *
You are very peculiar devils666.

So far in this thread you have mentioned that you have:

Vietnamese friends
Korean friends
German businessmen friends
French exchange friends

In order to provide 'evidence' in your debate.

Do you not go to an American liberal arts college where the art of rhetoric in debate is taught?


At least I have friends and connections. And you're the last person I'd tell my personal info to. Anglo Troll who's NOT even Asian.
fivers
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 28 2011, 02:29 PM) *
The berbers/Gypsies of Europe are also looked down upon and discriminated.

I once new a French exchange student that told me that Anglos are very "civil" in public, but they are absolute perverted freaks behind closed doors. At least French people put it out there. The Anglos just try to decieve everyone.


that's another stereotype the English are often seen as.. lol, but the general thing that comes to mind when Europeans think of the English is that of the well manered gentleman even though a lot of British act like pigs, it's that Victorian thing that still perpetuates until the day of today...

obviously you are living in yankee land and think you know Europe "from what they tell you" .. maybe it's true that when you live a while in the States you become naive and gullible like most Americans embarassedlaugh.gif tongue.gif
SkyBurial
QUOTE (fivers @ Aug 28 2011, 03:47 PM) *
that's another stereotype the English are often seen as.. lol, but the general thing that comes to mind when Europeans think of the English is that of the well manered gentleman even though a lot of British act like pigs, it's that Victorian thing that still perpetuates until the day of today...

obviously you are living in yankee land and think you know Europe "from what they tell you" .. maybe it's true that when you live a while in the States you become naive and gullible like most Americans embarassedlaugh.gif tongue.gif

So is it true that Brits have bad teeth?
fivers
QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 28 2011, 04:29 PM) *
So is it true that Brits have bad teeth?


they are known for their orange hair though icon_smile.gif
SkyBurial
QUOTE (fivers @ Aug 28 2011, 04:32 PM) *
they are known for their orange hair though icon_smile.gif

Why orange hair?
fivers
QUOTE (SkyBurial @ Aug 28 2011, 04:34 PM) *
Why orange hair?


I dunno shrug.gif
devils666
QUOTE (fivers @ Aug 28 2011, 02:47 PM) *
that's another stereotype the English are often seen as.. lol, but the general thing that comes to mind when Europeans think of the English is that of the well manered gentleman even though a lot of British act like pigs, it's that Victorian thing that still perpetuates until the day of today...

obviously you are living in yankee land and think you know Europe "from what they tell you" .. maybe it's true that when you live a while in the States you become naive and gullible like most Americans embarassedlaugh.gif tongue.gif


Funny how you resort to being racist against Americans. I guess it's true that Europeans really think they're superior.
togepi
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 30 2011, 01:40 AM) *
Funny how you resort to being racist against Americans. I guess it's true that Europeans really think they're superior.


Americans are pretty ignorant about the world. The American hegemony prevailed since the end of WWII so Americans could afford to not bother understanding the world.

Hubris is the ubiquitous condition of crumbling empires - look how ignorant and dismissive the late Qing were with regards to Japan, and Western science, technology and military.

This naïve complacency is the recurring feature of failed empires.

fivers
QUOTE (devils666 @ Aug 30 2011, 01:40 AM) *
Funny how you resort to being racist against Americans. I guess it's true that Europeans really think they're superior.


no I just think Americans are a bit naive lol
SkyBurial
QUOTE (togepi @ Aug 30 2011, 07:55 AM) *
Americans are pretty ignorant about the world. The American hegemony prevailed since the end of WWII so Americans could afford to not bother understanding the world.

Hubris is the ubiquitous condition of crumbling empires - look how ignorant and dismissive the late Qing were with regards to Japan, and Western science, technology and military.

This naïve complacency is the recurring feature of failed empires.

Yup, I guess that's what happened to the British Empire. I think they imported too many idiots like you.
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