http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...p;#entry4854719

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negrito

There were NO Negritos in Taiwan!

^ agreed the natives in Taiwan don't look at all like a negroid,sometimes I can't tell the difference between them and Taiwan Han Chinese.

Futhermore. East Asians are born from Mongolians and Evenks (mongoloids) from the north "displacing/mixing" with the Australoids of the south. The more Northeast Asian, the more "mongoloid" you are; the more Southeast Asian, the more "australoid" you are.

Unlike westerners, Asians have been coexisting fairly peacefully until recently (due to globalism).

North West I suppose the more Caucasoid, however Han Chinese are not an Australoid mixed they are Mongoloid.

Another anthropologist who even do not know the definition of "mongoloid"...

It depends on if they're from the north or south. I've seen very dark "australoid" looking Chinese and also very light "mongoloid" looking Chinese.

I have seen Chinese with so called Australoid features however they are not common and some have partial Australoid features.

Both people are 100% Chinese:


<----Southern Chinese

<----Northern Chinese

I've seen 50% of Chinese people with "Austroloid" features like wide nose, tan skin, big lips, double eyelids. But I've also seen 50% of Chinese people with "mongoloid" features like slanted single eyelid, petite nose, smaller mouth, light skin, etc...

2 examples doesn't represent the race anyway,I can see the traits in Northern and Southern China...

Devils666,whats up with your obsession with chinese?

There were Negritos in Taiwan the Austraneseans massacered them a long time ago.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archi...1/27/2003212815

Negritos were probably the first race in Asia and then they evolved into what we call "modern Asians". Except in certain parts of SEA where they were isolated.

Either way, it's too long ago to point fingers.

Afrocentrics use the Negritos to justify the claim that China was founded by Africans.
But of course, Negritos only look African. They are genetically the farthest from African races.

However, I don't think all Australoids are Negritos though. I think the three main groups of Australoids are Ainu, Negrito, and Australian Aborigine. I'm not sure about Polynesians.

The Negroids were the ancestors of the Australoids and the Australoids were the ancestors of the Caucasian and Mongoloid therefore the Australoids are the nearest relatives of the Negroids.

The Southeast Asians are a hybrid mix of Australoids and Mongoloids which resulted in the Southern Mongoloids that is why Southern Mongoloids are Sundadont and Mongoloids are Sinidont and Sundadonty is an Australoid trait.

The Australoids include the Ainus, Negritos, Basques, Papuans, Australasians, etc...

LOL i knew u were an afrocentrist martin...stop pretending to be pro-australoid...your afro-centric way of thinking is actually against australoids...please explain why australoids are genetically the farthest from negroids

Papuans (Australoids) are genetically more divergent from Africans than East Asians and Europeans are.

So you're saying the evolutionary time frame started with Negroids>Australoid>Mongoloids>Causasians?

Which means White people are the superior being.

Knowing that the first humans came out of Africa and China is one of the oldest civilizations, it's not too far fetched for someone to think that China was founded by Africans. (or that there's at least some connection between Africans and ancient China.) If Africans were the first humans it is plausible that they founded some early civilizations. And for once I'd like someone to explain why that's not plausible, and why that thought is lunacy.

Not that I 100% believe this but it's actually not as ridiculous as you might think.

The Caucasians evolved directly from the Australoids that evolved in Europe and the Mongoloids also evolved directly from the Australoids that evolved in the Altai mountains.


Australoids has a very broad spectrum and the Papuans who are also called the Ocean Negroids are the result of thousands of years of evolution.

stop using terms from the 1800s...during that time australoids where lumped in with negroids because people didn't know better....

you r a fake...ur not pro-australoid at all...you would sacrifice australoid identity to further the cause of afro-centrists...

Ejay you do not believe in the Out of Africa Theory and Australoids just poped up from nowhere?

Australoid is a very old race and Caucasians and Mongoloids did not exist yet when they appeared in this earth.

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/...les-in-the.html

not according to this crazy afrocentric b!tches theory http://www.youtube.com/user/lonepantherkmt
she made me crack up hella bad and she even blocked me for commenting on her page i almost died when she said bhudda was an african

australoids are one of the oldest races in the world...probably older then the negroid race
there were no negroids at the start of origin in africa...modern day negroids developed after the exodus of the early humanoids out of africa

because most humanoids in Africa at the time looked like this


so spare me your afro-centrist crap....and don't u dare use negritos as a way for you to claim modern africans started china civilization....

The Negroid race has also a broad spectrum and and maybe you mean of the modern Negroids like the Nubians but they are also ancient Negroids sub categories like the Congoids and Capoids which the Australoid may have originated from because the Capoids are believed to be the first Humans on earth and there is also the Boskopoids which is already extinct.

You're confusing Negrito with Negroid. They are two seperate races! It's even been proven that Negritos are the farthest racially from Negroids (blacks) on the first page.

My point is that Negroids are divided into Nubians, Congoids, Capoids and the extinct Boskopoids so if you are comparing the modern negroids like the nubians to the negritos there will be no relation because the negritos already existed even before the nubians appeared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoisan

Look at this African Capoid woman they look similar this Filipino Palawan Australoid man.

of course because australoids are a much older race...so you using negritos as a tool to claim modern africans created chinese civilization is just shady/grimey....though I wouldn't expect much less from you martin...

I think he already admitted that Negritos were NOT the same as Negroids.

I didn't say anything like that maybe you are the one who got confused. There were Negritos in Ancient China before but I didn't mention that they build their civilization.

What I mentioned is that the Negroid Nubians were the ones who created the Egyptian Empire.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/...ert-draper-text

Right, but modern day Asians evolved from Negritos - except those who were isolated.

And yes, Negritos have NOTHING to do with Negroids.

Care to prove that Mongoloids evolved from Australoid or that negritos formed China.

negritos did not form china...but mongoloids evolved from australoids

Mongoloids split with Caucasoid in the Middle East,however I don't think the race that was the ancestor to both was Australoid.

So what was the ancestors of the Caucasoid and Mongoloid the Negroids?

I'm not an expert so I say my piece, I think the earliest Africans were bushmen and modern day Blacks are different from them. Based on Mitochondrial DNA the Out of Africa theory is the norm,however scientists argue if there were several migrations or just one,also some mixing with other human species. Melanesian share 1-6% genes from Denisova hominin,non-Africans share 1-4% genes from Neanderthals. L3 is the mitochondrial group that eventually became N and M which the rest of the world's ancestry came from,L1 and L2 stayed in Africa. N's descendants went to Europe and Australia(one notable example is that X descendant of N showed up in the Americas), M's descendants went to all of Asia including small islands in the Pacific and the Americas. Y chromosome haplogroup A and B predated migration out of Africa, A is largely restricted in Africa however it shows up rarely in Europe and Middle East it is found in a large portion of pygmies and bushmen. Y chromosome Haplogroup B likewise stayed in Africa however some descendants were found in the Middle East. Y chromosome Haplogroup D originated in Asia and was found amongst Tibeteans,Ainu,Andaman.Japanese(mixing with Ainu),Miao and Han who lived near Tibetans not found in India E is in Africa and traces are in Middle East and Europe. Y chromosome Haplogroup C origin is either Middle East or Southern India, Genghis Khan spread this gene, found in high frequency amongst Australian aborigines,Polynesians,Vietnamese, Kazakhs, Mongolians, Manchurians, Koreans moderate in SEA and India, for some reason it has small percentage in Han Chinese. Y chromosome Haplogroup F is the ancestor of more than 90% of people outside of Africa and originated in Eurasia or Middle East. Bottom line is that most Australoid,Caucasoid and Mongoloids have the same descent from Y chromosome haplogroup F and at that time they most likely had Negroid features since special mutations that distinguish "races" had not occurred.

This is what I think what happened because according to the sceintists the African (Bushmen/Capoid/Khoisan) has the oldest DNA and it appears in all races of the world. Considering 30,000 years ago when the oceans were still low and Sundaland was still exposed while Eurasia was still filled with ice the only possibility that humans can thrive and flourish was in Africa and Sundaland were Australoids evolved and their ancestors were the Bushmen of Africa. 10000 years ago as the ice began to melt in Eurasia and the oceans began to rise many Australoids were pushed to Eurasia because its already livable there bacause the ice already melted. There is also a possibility that Africa was still spewing more Capoids and sub races like the Congoids and Nubians during the rising of the oceans which maybe also the ancestors of the Caucasians and Mongoloids so there is still a possibility that they did not evolve from the Australoids and they may all look the same because they did not yet started to evolve and Caucasians evolved because of the European environment and the Mongoloid evolved because of the Altai environment which is very cold that is why they developed single eylids to protect them from the cold and snow. Because of the oceans rising the Australoids were pushed further into Eurasia until the Mongoloids and Australoids converge and interbred which gave rise top the Southern Mongoloids.

There was also a study that some Pyramids in Egypt and Sudan was carbon dated 10000 BC so that means that there was already a civilization in Egypt and the Caucasian and Mongoloid did not exist yet or is still starting to evolve so who created the Pyramids and the Capoids and Australoids are the only existing races that time? Could it be the Boskopoids of Africa?

perhaps
But when people say that the first humans evolved in Africa, it just means that humans had a common ancestor about 200,000 years ago. Eventually some of these early people left Africa and became the Australoid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid races. Since these races lived in different environments for tens of thousands of years, it is reasonable to assume they would become different races. Obviously they are not different species since that would probably take millions of years of isolation amongst the races.

This is where political correctness makes things confusing. Since "African" is used as a more PC word for "Negro," a lot of people get confused and think the "Out of Africa" theory is saying that all people evolved from Negroids. However, I don't think modern-day Negroids are the same as the original humans in Africa.

The earliest Chinese civilization was probably from some time between 5,000 BC and 3,000 BC. By that time, the humans in China probably changed a lot from the original humans in Africa.

As the OP mentioned, Negritos are the most genetically distant from the African races.

I still say that White people are mostly Neanderthal. That's why all other races, besides Whites, share somewhat common features.

You are gravely mistaken,if Whites are mostly Neanderthal then why do only share up to 4% genome with Neanderthals?

Lies told my Eurocentric propaganda/psuedo science.

I still think there are only 2 races:

colored people (Asians, Blacks, Natives) and Whites. How else do you explain why White people look so different from everyone else?

LOL. Actually of all the races, it's the East Asians who look so much different from the others. Some Albino Africans can look kinda White. East Asians are also the most genetically divergent / distant from all other races. Likewise, all races such as Africans, Somalis, Middle Easterners, Whites, Indians, and Australoids (including many SEA) all share similar facial features: large eyes, prominent facial bone structures, pointed nose tips - all of which are what we Asians call as "strong" features. Well, at least that's from MY own perspective.

If you reason on the other hand the varying eye and hair colors of Whites, then I might as well point out to you that the variation of eye and hair colors among East Asians exists as well, although in a lesser scale than Whites - because Whites had the "time" for sexual selection, and East Asians did not - due to the cold climates. It is said that the East Asian race is the most suitable for the colder climes - which explains why the Eskimos and Inuits were the residents of the Arctic regions of ALL THE WORLD.

Also, if you include the Central Asians AND the Southeast Asians, then the Entire Asian group would definitely with no question be the most DIVERSE of all racial group in the world.

This (i.e., difference of East Asians from all others) is also the reason why some !lliterate Whites call East Asians pejoratively as "aliens". On the other hand, one White scientist called the East Asian race as the "future of mankind". And true enough, East Asians are the most neotenized and have the largest brain size per area of all racial groups, indicating that East Asians are the most evolved, (and in my own opinion), the most superior - which, before anyone here reacts, may be true, considering that of all the four ancient civilizations, ONLY China (an East Asian civilization) is the ONLY one remaining continuous since the ancient world. MOST inventions in the modern world were also patterned or improvised from already existing inventions by East Asians, specifically, the Chinese. Also, the average highest IQs belong to East Asians.

Anyhow, genetic testing already concluded that there are basically three types of people:
1. Africans - the pure Homo Sapiens sapiens.
2. North Eurasian - Homo Sapiens sapiens + Homo Sapiens neandertalenses
3. South Eurasian or Australoid - Homo Sapiens sapiens + Homo Sapiens neandertalensis + Homo sapiens denisovan

* North Eurasian can be further subdivided into Northwest Eurasian (European) and Northeast Eurasian (True Asian or East Asian). Some Central Asians are a hybrid of the two groups, while Southeast Asians are definitely a hybrid of Northeast Eurasian (East Asian) AND Australoid (South Eurasian).

The only pure Asians are Evenks/Yakuts/mongolians. All others are mixed with australoid.

LOL.

The pure Asians are:

1) ALL the Altaic-speaking peoples IN EAST ASIAN PROPER, which include: Yakut, Evenk, Oroqen, Mongols, Oirat, Khanty, Kalmyk, Buryats, Japanese, Korean;

2) ALL the Paleo-Siberian and Eskimo-Aleut-speaking peoples, which include: Koryak, Chukchi, Inuit, Aleut, and other Siberians and Inuit groups;

3) ALL the Uralic-speaking peoples EAST OF THE URALS, which include: Nenets, Selkup, Nganasan, Enets, Khanty, Mansi;

4) ALL the Sino-Tibetan peoples IN EAST ASIAN PROPER, which include: Han, Hui, Zangzu (Tibetan), Bai, Hani, Yi, Lisu, Nakhi, Lahu.

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The 'mostly' Asians are:

all the others below still classified as "racially Asian" but mixed with Caucasian, Indian, or Australoid in them:

In Northern and Central Asia - Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Northern Uzbek, Northern Turkmen, Uyghur

In East Asia - Zhuang, Dai, Tai, Dai, Miao, Va, Nakhi, Yao, Jingpo, Blang, Pumi, Nu, Achang, Jinuo, Derung, Shui, and Buyei.

In South Asia - Nishi, Apatani, Galo, Lare, Pugo, Adi, Milang, Idu, Miju, Digaru, Chakma, Nocte, Hmar, Manipuri, Wancho, Dzongkha (Bhutanese)

In Southeast Asia - Thai, Lao, Burmese, Khmer, Viet, Malay, Dayak, Iban, Tagalog, Ilocano, Bisayan, Javanese, Sundanese, Minangkabau, Acehnese, Balinese, Sasak, other Philippine and Western Indonesian groups.

In Europe - Kalmyk

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The 'hybrid' Asians are

totally non-Asian looking people but with significant Asian genetic component OR people with historical Asian origins:

[b]With significant Caucasoid admixtures: Tatar, Sami, Mordvin, Karelian, Veps, Southern Uzbek, Southern Turkmen, Hazara, Mixed-blood Russians; Finns, Estonians, and Hungarians.

With significant Australoid admixture: Ainu, Negrito, Ayta, Aeta, Ati, Dumagat, Semang, Orang Asli, Tetun, Micronesians (e.g., Chamorro, Carolinian), Western Polynesians (e.g., Maori), and people from Maluku and West Papua in Indonesia.

With significant differentiation: All Amerindian groups

Recent hybrids: Eurasians (Luk kreung, Bui doi, Mestizo, Indo, Kristang, etc.), White Amerasians

Ainus also look Caucasian but they are Australoids.

nice list
However, I would put the Malays and Indonesians in the hybrid Asians group. As for the Japanese, I think some of them have some Australoid mixture. Wasn't Japan originally Australoid?

Like martin_nuke mentioned, Ainus are Australoids that look Caucasian. How much of Japan is mixed with Ainu?
People like the Ainu make me question the idea that Australoid is a racial group. I really think Australoid is just an umbrella term for all the non-Mongoloids of Southeast Asia and the South Pacific.

Genetically Australoid and Negroids are the furthest apart, larger than the distance between any other race.

hm i don't like how yall just put each group less of an asian decent based on mongoloid genes but whatever

Japanese have D-P37.1 which amounts for 34.7%,Ainu is 75.0% and Okinawans is 55.6%. However Haplogroup D in Japan is a different branch then the ones Tibetans and the Andaman islanders have.

Most people use Asian as a synonym for Mongoloid. Maybe I can go back annoying you with the word Asiatic.

Yep, many Malays, Indonesians, and Filipinos totally LOOK DIFFERENT FROM the "typical Asian". Some look Asian though. And genetically, they are still mostly identical to Southeast Asians.

Ainus may be Proto-Australoid who eventually developed into East Asians (Mongoloids). Or probably they are transitory between East Asian and Amerindian. Genetic testing shows that they are basically Siberians who migrated into Japan proper. Ainus are said to be the Jomon people - whose genes roughly compose 50% of the Japanese genome now. I'd classify them as East Asian rather than Australoid - although since popular opinion thinks of them as "Australoid", I put them into the "hybrid Asians list".

Australoids are:
i. Veddoid - Australoids native to India and northern Sumatra
ii. Negritoid - Australoids native to Thailand, Malaysia, western Indonesia, and the western Philippines; their lands might've covered even Taiwan, Vietnam, and Fujian and Guangdong provinces of China.
iii. Papuan - Australoids native to eastern Philippines, eastern Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, and the rest of Melanesia
iv. Australian Aboriginals - Australoids native to Australia.
v. Ainuid - questionable category.

There might even be a now extinct Australoid group that had been subsumed entirely into the Mongoloid race, creating the "Southeast Asians" of today - because while the inhabitants of SEA, esp. Malay Archipelago look mixed Mongoloid-Australoid, the Australoid in them does not seem to come from either Negritoid or Papuan! .... or present Malay peoples could be a mixture of East Asian, Negritoid, Veddoid, and Papuan!

Some Australoid tribal people in the Philippines can look completely Caucasoid (like the Ainus), with wavy hair, heavy moustache, long heads, thin lips, aquiline noses, deep set eyes, and light brown skin. Although most Australoids in the Philippines are Negritoid - with small stature, curly hair, sparse body and facial hair, thick lips, round faces, and dark skin.