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NoKhmen
Khon is the most stylized form of Thai dance. It is performed by troupes of non-speaking dancers, the story being told by a chorus at the side of the stage. Choreography follows traditional models rather than attempting to innovate.

Teaser: Khon performance - Episode of Suek Miyarap โขนศึกมัยราพณ์ 15-31กค.54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12e95MOfDIc


Article from http://lolo-eatablethai.blogspot.com/2011/...erformance.html
Yes ... Yes ... I am also the one who have seen this teaser ad and felt that I must see this ... It's only once a year to seen this grand performance ... Therefore, I was there last week to see this with my eyes and to hear this with my ears ... lastly to feel this with a feeling of 'proudly to be Thai' !!!

For those who don't know what 'Khon - โขน' is ... I would like to give you a brief idea about this performance ... 'Khon' is a traditional most sophisticated form of Thai masked drama. It is belived to have been performed since the Ayutthaya Period (year 1350-1767). Traditionally the performers wore masks and all the speaking and singing were done by the reciters and the singers sitting at one side (or two sides) of the stage with the Thai orchestra.

Most Khon performances feature episodes from the Ramakien, the Thai version of an Indian epic Ramayana. Therefore, the Khon roles are male humans, female humans, monkeys, and demons where the leading performers have to wear masks except angle.

In short the epic is concerned with the protracted war between Rama the righteous King and Thotsakan the King of Demons, which is touches off by the abduction of Rama's beloved consort by the Demon King. Therefore, the drama is therefore full of love, magic, and war scenes.

Last few years, HM the Queen Sirikit's original comments were based upon her concern for traditional forms of Thai dramatic art to be preserved so that younger generations and future generations of Thais can fully appreciate the incredible experience. HM the Queen has called for the preservation of Khon as it' the kingdom's most refined form of traditional dramatic art. Therefore in year 2009, The Support Foundation organized the first Khon Performance 'Episode of Prommas. Later in year 2010, Khon Performance 'Episode of Nang Loi' was also organized. This year, the Episode of Suek Miyarap or 'The Battle of Miyarap' has been arranged.

The below clip are some scenes from Khon Performance : Episode of Suek Miyarap ... One thing I would say ... You have to see by your eyes !!! I was not able to take photos or VDOs as for it's not allowed - so this is the most I can find to show you how great the show is ... it covers most of the most important scenes (and most impressive scenes).

Khon performance - Ramayana Episode of Suek Miyarap โขน ชุด ศึกมัยราพณ์.mov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUjqULa7zh0






About the mask ... it in fact cover performer's head ... there are holes for visibility at eye position (of course). They are decorated to perfectly portray each characters and roles such as Yak (Demon) ... Masks are decorated with gold, lacquer, and paste jewels ... We Thais call this 'Nah-Khon'.

In additional costumes for Khon is not only the mask ... but the beautiful thing is also the dress ... please look at how amazing the Thai Art can do with the design and material !!!









Anyway, I encourage you all to see this fantastic performance (take yourself, your family, and your kids) ... You will be wondered of the grand stage, sound, and lighting ... don't think the old performance is boring, I see by myself that children enjoyed it / laugh at it / and have fun with it ... you will get every moods you can feel from the story ... I bet you will enjoy it and think how comes the 3 hours show is so fast !!!





source: http://lolo-eatablethai.blogspot.com/2011/...erformance.html









NoKhmen












source: การแสดงโขน ตอน "ศึกมัยราพณ์" http://www.phuketneophoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8831






NoKhmen





source: การแสดงโขน ตอน "ศึกมัยราพณ์" http://www.phuketneophoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8831









Back Stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60MucGbsz5Q


Giant Hanuman scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s35SC1Faqc
konlovethai
THAI

VS

KHMER


It is different.
KhmerBoi
lolzz you funny compare with Khmer..okay here
this is what they wrote about your..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakhon_nai

and a very long article about Khmer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_classical_dance

my funny brain wash Thai!!! embarassedlaugh.gif

off cause Khmer got influence from Siam in 19 century.. that the only time right??? ^^ and u crying for that!!! embarassedlaugh.gif
NoKhmen
QUOTE (KhmerBoi @ Aug 24 2011, 09:21 AM) *
lolzz you funny compare with Khmer..okay here
this is what they wrote about your..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakhon_nai

and a very long article about Khmer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_classical_dance

my funny brain wash Thai!!! embarassedlaugh.gif

off cause Khmer got influence from Siam in 19 century.. that the only time right??? ^^ and u crying for that!!! embarassedlaugh.gif


You can't compare the original with the replica. Siamese/Thai dance is Rolex, your Khmer dance is Rolex replica. icon_smile.gif You can't compare both, ok? Khmer replica has cheap material, funny design but try hard to name it as Rolex, the Siamese/Thai. LOL

ปล. รำเขมรนี่ก็อปไปทั้งหมดเลยนะครับ หลังนครวัดแตก เขมรไม่มีการสร้างสรรวัฒนธรรมอีกเลย ไม่มีงานศิลปแบบนครวัด ออกมาเลย เรียกว่าศิลปนครวัดสูญพันธ์ไปเลย

ดูจากภาพนางอัปสรนครวัด น่าจะมีท่ารำแบบอินเดีย กระโดกกระเดก อันนี้ผมสันนิษฐานเอา เพราะ รำชวา ที่เขมรรับมา ก็กระโดกกระเดกคล้ายรำอินเดีย แม้ว่าเรารับวัฒนธรรมนครวัดมาจริง สมัยอยุธยาตอนต้น แต่รำไทย ก็ดูไม่เหมือนรำอินเดีย ต่างกันมาก แต่ว่าพื้นฐานเดียว มาจากท่ารำพรามหณ์อินเดีย อยุธยาคงปรับรำอินเดีย ให้ผสมผสานกับรำจากที่อื่น เลยออกมาเป็นรำไทย แล้วเราก็วิวัฒนาการมาเรื่อย มาช่วง ร1-ร4 สยามรวมลาว-เขมร เจ้านายลาวเขมร ก็มาอยู่กรุงเทพ ช่วงนี้เป็นช่วงสยามถ่ายทอดวัฒนธรรมไทย ออกไปลาว-เขมร ทำให้ทั้ง3ประเทศมีวัฒธรรมคล้ายกันในปจบ. ส่วนรำเขมร เจ้าเขมรองค์ด้วง น่าจะสมัย ร3 รับรำไทยเข้าไปในราชสำนัก ที่ไม่เคยมีรำชนิดนี้เลย อันนี้สำคัญมากเพราะเป็นหลักฐานสำคัญที่ยืนยันได้ว่า รำเขมรก็คือรำไทย ที่เอาไปปรับใช้ พอสมัย ร5 เจ้าป้า ของ มรว คึกฤทธ์ ปราโมช หนีภัยการเมือง ไปอยู่เขมร พร้อมละครรำไทย ได้เป็นมเหสีเจ้าเขมร ถ่ายทอด รำไทย ให้เขมร อีกครั้ง
รำนางอัปสรเขมร ซืึ่งเพ่งประดิษฐ์ขึ้นมาใหม่ไม่เกิน100ปี ก็คือ รำไทย ปรับท่านิดหน่อย เช่นยกขาสูงให้เหมือนรูปในนครวัด แล้วก็เปลี่ยนขุดรำไทย เป็นชุดเลียนแบบนางอัปสรในนครวัด

สรุป คือ รำเขมร ก็คือ รำไทย ที่เปลี่ยนรูปแบบไปบ้าง เปลี่ยนเป็นชุดนางอัปสรบ้าง แต่ก็คือรำไทยอยู่ดี

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ศิลปะเขมรสิ้นสุดลงตั้งแต่สมัยพระเจ้าชัยวรมันที่ 7 ทุกวันนี้ศิลปาการต่างๆ ของเขมรยุคปัจจุบัน ได้ยึดต้นแบบจากประเทศไทยทั้งสิ้น โดยเฉพาะในราชสำนักของเขมร รวมไปถึงพระราชวังเขมรินทร์ ต้นแบบจะมาจากไหน ถ้าไม่ใช่ประเทศไทย - รศ.ศรีศักร วัลลิโภดม
konlovethai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_classical_dance

scholars theorize that Khmer classical dance, as seen today, developed from, or was at least highly influenced by, Siamese classical dance innovations during the 19th century and precedent forms of Cambodian dance were different from the present form. According to Brandon, the lakhon nai of Siam was the main influence on Cambodian court dance in the 1800s. Banham also mentions performers from Thailand were brought to restructure the dance tradition for the royal court of Cambodia during the same period. Indeed, there were Siamese performers in the royal court of Cambodia according to most renown sources on the royal ballet, Groslier included; this suggests a strong connection to the court dances of Siam and it's influences. Sasagawa mentions Groslier's acknowledgement of Siamese performers in the royal dance troupe and also mentions Norodom Sihanouk claim that the Siamese 'taught Cambodia it's lost art form which they had preserved after sacking Angkor,' however, Sasagawa notes that the Siamese innovations (such as the story of Inao, an adaptation of the Malay version of Panji ) were not present in the Angkorian dance tradition
Euphoria
Khon at Amphawa, Samut Songkram










Credit : http://www.pantip.com/cafe/gallery/topic/G.../G10357684.html
JoveejuOoOo
Thai copy these "Khon" tradition from the Chinese Opera or Cantonese performance.
planxty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lP2R2JU1yA
Euphoria
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Khon at Amphawa, Samut Songkram










Credit : http://www.pantip.com/cafe/gallery/topic/G.../G10357684.html
NoKhmen
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ขอบคุณครับคุณหมอ ว่างจากศึกเขมร เรามาช่วยกันโปรโมทประเทศไทย วัฒนธรรมไทย beerchug.gif
Euphoria
QUOTE (NoKhmen @ Sep 9 2011, 09:06 AM) *
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ขอบคุณครับคุณหมอ ว่างจากศึกเขมร เรามาช่วยกันโปรโมทประเทศไทย วัฒนธรรมไทย beerchug.gif



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Euphoria
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Khon at Amphawa, Samut Songkram










Credit : http://www.pantip.com/cafe/gallery/topic/G.../G10357684.html
Euphoria
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Khon at Amphawa, Samut Songkram










Credit : http://www.pantip.com/cafe/gallery/topic/G.../G10357684.html
Mizz_Luv3r
Gosh the costumes and props are so beautiful. I like listening to the instrumentals during these type of plays.
NoKhmen
This is how Angels dance in heaven. icon_smile.gif

รำซัดชาตรี Ram Sad Chatri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgGG3Oz_Ljc...feature=related


ดูสนุกดี เพลงคล้ายไหว้ครูมวยไทย+โนราห์


QUOTE (Mizz_Luv3r @ Oct 5 2011, 10:10 PM) *
Gosh the costumes and props are so beautiful. I like listening to the instrumentals during these type of plays.


That's true!!! biggthumpup.gif
Buddhalove
customs are similar to Khmer court.
NoKhmen
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Oct 6 2011, 07:49 AM) *
customs are similar to Khmer court.


LOL this pic really helps me slap on Laoscambodian trolls' face. embarassedlaugh.gif

Buddhalove
QUOTE (NoKhmen @ Oct 6 2011, 07:58 AM) *
LOL this pic really helps me slap on Laoscambodian trolls' face. embarassedlaugh.gif



Proven my point that they're similar to each others. Thank you for contributing pictures. beerchug.gif
NoKhmen
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Oct 6 2011, 07:59 AM) *
Proven my point that they're similar to each others. Thank you for contributing pictures. beerchug.gif


Unexperienced people like you don't know what the difference between Rolex and its replica. embarassedlaugh.gif
Buddhalove
Siamese ancestors are mon/khmer and both are indianized culture. They are similar. U need to give each other a hug, you're blood brothers. beerchug.gif
NoKhmen
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Oct 6 2011, 08:10 AM) *
Siamese ancestors are mon/khmer and both are indianized culture. They are similar. U need to give each other a hug, you're blood brothers. beerchug.gif


We call the police to catch those pirate Khamen dumbass. embarassedlaugh.gif
Buddhalove
QUOTE (NoKhmen @ Oct 6 2011, 08:14 AM) *
We call the police to catch those pirate Khamen dumbass. embarassedlaugh.gif


Siamese mon/khmer kingdoms. u can say Siamese and mon/khmer are the same. beerchug.gif

NoKhmen
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Oct 6 2011, 08:35 AM) *
Siamese mon/khmer kingdoms. u can say Siamese and mon/khmer are the same. beerchug.gif



You are real dumb, uno?

Mon/Khmer = Mon mix with Khmer
Mon-Khmer = language name

Native Siamese = Mon-Khmer speakers, they are not Mon nor Khmer.
Siamese = Tai

Lao = Lao+Khmu+Lawa beerchug.gif
Euphoria
Khon : Nang Loi episode










Credit : http://topicstock.pantip.com/chalermkrung/...4/C9565414.html
NoKhmen
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Khon : Nang Loi episode











Credit : http://topicstock.pantip.com/chalermkrung/...4/C9565414.html
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Khon : Nang Loi episode











Credit : http://topicstock.pantip.com/chalermkrung/...4/C9565414.html
Kdaw_Tmaw
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Oct 6 2011, 05:10 AM) *
Siamese ancestors are mon/khmer and both are indianized culture. They are similar. U need to give each other a hug, you're blood brothers. beerchug.gif

That is not true. Their ancestors were never Khmer blood brothers. They are a different people from up north pushed downward by the Mongols and the Chinese. Their features were completely different at the time and they were not Indianized and they do not resemble much to that of Khmer culture and features. But after hundreds of years living side-by-side with the Khmer population, they learned to adapt and were strongly influenced through culture and arts. Their dance style is mimicking that of the images of gods, angels and demons that you will see depicted in ancient Khmer temples. To us Khmer, Siems is like the Nubian is to Egypt.
Nhoona
QUOTE (Kdaw_Tmaw @ Nov 19 2011, 06:48 AM) *
That is not true. Their ancestors were never Khmer blood brothers. They are a different people from up north pushed downward by the Mongols and the Chinese. Their features were completely different at the time and they were not Indianized and they do not resemble much to that of Khmer culture and features. But after hundreds of years living side-by-side with the Khmer population, they learned to adapt and were strongly influenced through culture and arts. Their dance style is mimicking that of the images of gods, angels and demons that you will see depicted in ancient Khmer temples. To us Khmer, Siems is like the Nubian is to Egypt.


Wake up Khmer people! Thai arts, dance style is Thai innovation which is different from what depicted in Ancient Khmer temple. Thai arts got influence from Mon Dvaravati, Srivijaya and Chiengsaen which centered here in Thailand and much more older than Khmer. Khmer influence is just foriegn. It is much lesser than Siamese/Thai influence on Khmer.
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Dvaravati
is now Thailand and played an important role as a propagator of Indian culture. Situated in the lower Chao Phraya River valley, Dvaravati extended westward to the Tenasserim Yoma (mountains) and southward to the Isthmus of Kra.

The Mon, who are believed to have originated in western China, entered the area in the 1st millennium bc, penetrating westward from the upper Mekong River. Dvaravati emerged as an independent entity late in the 6th century ad, maintaining its independence until late in the 11th century. Rarely politically dominant and continually under the shadow of stronger neighbours, Dvaravati was prevented by geographic barriers from establishing close political ties with other Mon states to the west in southern Myanmar (Burma) and with the Mon state in northern Thailand. Dvaravati experienced political domination by neighbouring peoples on three separate occasions: in the 10th century, when the Burmese conquered the Mon state of Thaton west of the Tenasserim Yoma; from the 11th to the 13th century, when the Khmer empire (Cambodia) arose in the east; and finally, in the late 13th century, when Dvaravati was absorbed by the Thai empire. Subjugation did not, however, mean extinction. The Dvaravati Mon retained their customs and a relative degree of racial homogeneity under their own rulers.

Dvaravati was historically important as a transmitter of Indian culture. Having had early commercial and cultural contact with India, the Mon assumed the role of disseminators of the main features of Indian culture. They were the most receptive of Southeast Asian peoples to Indian art and literature. Indian influence was apparent in matters of sculpture, writing, law, and governmental forms.

Despite political domination, Dvaravati exerted another important force in relation to its conquerors. Whereas contacts with India had contributed to the development and character of Mon civilization, the Dvaravati Mon in their turn became the teachers of their conquerors, the Khmer, the Burmese, and the Thai. All three conquerors were influenced by Dvaravati in writing systems, art forms, government, religious terminology, and scholarship.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/174783/Dvaravati
LoveIsAllAround
QUOTE (Kdaw_Tmaw @ Nov 19 2011, 06:48 AM) *
That is not true. Their ancestors were never Khmer blood brothers. They are a different people from up north pushed downward by the Mongols and the Chinese. Their features were completely different at the time and they were not Indianized and they do not resemble much to that of Khmer culture and features. But after hundreds of years living side-by-side with the Khmer population, they learned to adapt and were strongly influenced through culture and arts. Their dance style is mimicking that of the images of gods, angels and demons that you will see depicted in ancient Khmer temples. To us Khmer, Siems is like the Nubian is to Egypt.

Angkor dance is ritual Indian dance. Siamese/Thai dance is more neat, your Khmer royal dance that you change the name to Apsara dance is actually Siamese/Thai dance. Don't be fooled by the French, the French even didn't have any proof to link Khmer dance (that developed from Siamese/Thai dance) to Angkor tradition dance.

After the reign of Jayavarman VII, Khmer got all culture from Siamese/Thai. It's one-way influence from Thai to Khmer. That's why Khmer culture right now look very same as Thai, but sadly Khmer people are fooled, they think the culture is real Khmer. LOL Crying like a baby to the world that Thais stole their culture. How retard you people are. I guess your Cambodian chat is boring like hell, so you need love from us Thais again.
Kdaw_Tmaw
You got it all wrong. Siem culture is what it is because of heavy influence from Khmer culture. Only when the British came into the picture is when they started to view Khmer culture as backward. Then they tried so hard to change their culture, even tried changing their royal ceremony to emulate that of the british. But it's really hard for Siemese to change because they adapted and love Khmer culture so much. Most Thais today won't accept the fact because that will give us Khmers way too many credit and that is unacceptable to them. Honestly, Thai chat is boring, but when I see some of you making these ridiculous claims out of insecurity, I just have to remind you again were Siem really come from.
DizneyLandGambler
QUOTE (Nhoona @ Nov 19 2011, 07:59 AM) *
Wake up Khmer people! Thai arts, dance style is Thai innovation which is different from what depicted in Ancient Khmer temple. Thai arts got influence from Mon Dvaravati, Srivijaya and Chiengsaen which centered here in Thailand and much more older than Khmer. Khmer influence is just foriegn. It is much lesser than Siamese/Thai influence on Khmer.
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Dvaravati
is now Thailand and played an important role as a propagator of Indian culture. Situated in the lower Chao Phraya River valley, Dvaravati extended westward to the Tenasserim Yoma (mountains) and southward to the Isthmus of Kra.

The Mon, who are believed to have originated in western China, entered the area in the 1st millennium bc, penetrating westward from the upper Mekong River. Dvaravati emerged as an independent entity late in the 6th century ad, maintaining its independence until late in the 11th century. Rarely politically dominant and continually under the shadow of stronger neighbours, Dvaravati was prevented by geographic barriers from establishing close political ties with other Mon states to the west in southern Myanmar (Burma) and with the Mon state in northern Thailand. Dvaravati experienced political domination by neighbouring peoples on three separate occasions: in the 10th century, when the Burmese conquered the Mon state of Thaton west of the Tenasserim Yoma; from the 11th to the 13th century, when the Khmer empire (Cambodia) arose in the east; and finally, in the late 13th century, when Dvaravati was absorbed by the Thai empire. Subjugation did not, however, mean extinction. The Dvaravati Mon retained their customs and a relative degree of racial homogeneity under their own rulers.

Dvaravati was historically important as a transmitter of Indian culture. Having had early commercial and cultural contact with India, the Mon assumed the role of disseminators of the main features of Indian culture. They were the most receptive of Southeast Asian peoples to Indian art and literature. Indian influence was apparent in matters of sculpture, writing, law, and governmental forms.

Despite political domination, Dvaravati exerted another important force in relation to its conquerors. Whereas contacts with India had contributed to the development and character of Mon civilization, the Dvaravati Mon in their turn became the teachers of their conquerors, the Khmer, the Burmese, and the Thai. All three conquerors were influenced by Dvaravati in writing systems, art forms, government, religious terminology, and scholarship.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/174783/Dvaravati


You are an ugly Chinese hoe, u dunno anything about real thai history so keep your PAD opinions to yourself, sapung slut.
Nhoona
QUOTE (Kdaw_Tmaw @ Nov 19 2011, 04:51 PM) *
You got it all wrong. Siem culture is what it is because of heavy influence from Khmer culture. Only when the British came into the picture is when they started to view Khmer culture as backward. Then they tried so hard to change their culture, even tried changing their royal ceremony to emulate that of the british. But it's really hard for Siemese to change because they adapted and love Khmer culture so much. Most Thais today won't accept the fact because that will give us Khmers way too many credit and that is unacceptable to them. Honestly, Thai chat is boring, but when I see some of you making these ridiculous claims out of insecurity, I just have to remind you again were Siem really come from.


Your Khmer is much younger than Dvaravati, Srivijaya and Chiengsaen. Your Khmer angkor is actually Srivijaya Arts which first contacted in southern Thailand and Cambodia got a second hand from southern Thailand. You cannot deny the fact that these three culture are the core of Thai culture. Your Khmer is considered a forign influence which is lesser than Thai/siamese influence on yours. Look at your culture it is a copy version of Thai/Siamese which is totally different from your Angkor (which is =Srivijaya art).

LoveIsAllAround
QUOTE (Kdaw_Tmaw @ Nov 19 2011, 03:51 PM) *
You got it all wrong. Siem culture is what it is because of heavy influence from Khmer culture. Only when the British came into the picture is when they started to view Khmer culture as backward. Then they tried so hard to change their culture, even tried changing their royal ceremony to emulate that of the british. But it's really hard for Siemese to change because they adapted and love Khmer culture so much. Most Thais today won't accept the fact because that will give us Khmers way too many credit and that is unacceptable to them. Honestly, Thai chat is boring, but when I see some of you making these ridiculous claims out of insecurity, I just have to remind you again were Siem really come from.

If it was true, why the hell your culture like royal dance, music, etc are exactly same as Thai/SIamese? It's almost 800 years that Angkor had ruined. Siamese culture are consisted of 3 major elements, like Nhoona said. How the hell on earth Khmer got Tai and Mon elements too? Isn't 800 years enough for both Siamese and Khmer to have different culture right now? Why khmer culture like dance and architecture are not look like Angkor tradition at all but look exactly as Thai/Siamese? The answer is you khmer got it from us, you never created the culture that you are practicing but imported it from Siamese/Thai. But sadly, Khmer are fooled by French and their own rulers, telling them it's real Khmer culture. Moreover it seems that khmer were not ruler of Angkor, they were labor slaves who never created Angkor culture but adopted it from Khom (Angkor rulers), same thing happened again in the post-Angkor time, Khmer adopted their new ruler, SIamese/Thai.
LoveIsAllAround
QUOTE (DizneyLandGambler @ Nov 19 2011, 04:21 PM) *
You are an ugly Chinese hoe, u dunno anything about real thai history so keep your PAD opinions to yourself, sapung slut.


Normal Khmer speaking.
LoveIsAllAround
QUOTE (Nhoona @ Nov 19 2011, 07:30 PM) *
Your Khmer is much younger than Dvaravati, Srivijaya and Chiengsaen. Your Khmer angkor is actually Srivijaya Arts which first contacted in southern Thailand and Cambodia got a second hand from southern Thailand. You cannot deny the fact that these three culture are the core of Thai culture. Your Khmer is considered a forign influence which is lesser than Thai/siamese influence on yours. Look at your culture it is a copy version of Thai/Siamese which is totally different from your Angkor (which is =Srivijaya art).


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Kdaw_Tmaw
QUOTE (Nhoona @ Nov 19 2011, 04:30 PM) *
Your Khmer is much younger than Dvaravati, Srivijaya and Chiengsaen. Your Khmer angkor is actually Srivijaya Arts which first contacted in southern Thailand and Cambodia got a second hand from southern Thailand. You cannot deny the fact that these three culture are the core of Thai culture. Your Khmer is considered a forign influence which is lesser than Thai/siamese influence on yours. Look at your culture it is a copy version of Thai/Siamese which is totally different from your Angkor (which is =Srivijaya art).

Again, the core of Siem culture came from Khmer influence centered around Angkor Wat. It's more like Siem received a second hand culture from Khmer and third hand from the rest.

QUOTE (LoveIsAllAround @ Nov 19 2011, 05:08 PM) *
If it was true, why the hell your culture like royal dance, music, etc are exactly same as Thai/SIamese? It's almost 800 years that Angkor had ruined. Siamese culture are consisted of 3 major elements, like Nhoona said. How the hell on earth Khmer got Tai and Mon elements too? Isn't 800 years enough for both Siamese and Khmer to have different culture right now? Why khmer culture like dance and architecture are not look like Angkor tradition at all but look exactly as Thai/Siamese? The answer is you khmer got it from us, you never created the culture that you are practicing but imported it from Siamese/Thai. But sadly, Khmer are fooled by French and their own rulers, telling them it's real Khmer culture. Moreover it seems that khmer were not ruler of Angkor, they were labor slaves who never created Angkor culture but adopted it from Khom (Angkor rulers), same thing happened again in the post-Angkor time, Khmer adopted their new ruler, SIamese/Thai.

The first thing you've said is just laughable. Your royal dance and music are that of the Khmer royal court. It was nearly 800 years ago that Siem sacked Angkor and took along Khmer intellects and royal courts with them to emulate. That is why you see Thai have similar Apsara version to that of Khmer Apsara performing for their royal court. It's sad to see our neighbor Thailand denying their true history and on top of it all they go around mocking Khmer history.
LoveIsAllAround
QUOTE (Kdaw_Tmaw @ Nov 19 2011, 09:11 PM) *
Again, the core of Siem culture came from Khmer influence centered around Angkor Wat. It's more like Siem received a second hand culture from Khmer and third hand from the rest.

That's funny, how a Khmer like you know more than Thai/Siamese. It's just ridiculous. Don't try to discredit others like Tai and Mon, and take our prestige culture as your own. Khmer is nothing but slaves of Siamese, Khmer didn't influenced Siamese. 800 years Khmer didn't develop their (claimed) Angkor culture, but neclect Angkor culture and import the whole culture from their master Siamese. Now Khmer think they own Siamese/Thai culture. How retarded you people are.

QUOTE (Kdaw_Tmaw @ Nov 19 2011, 09:11 PM) *
The first thing you've said is just laughable. Your royal dance and music are that of the Khmer royal court. It was nearly 800 years ago that Siem sacked Angkor and took along Khmer intellects and royal courts with them to emulate. That is why you see Thai have similar Apsara version to that of Khmer Apsara performing for their royal court. It's sad to see our neighbor Thailand denying their true history and on top of it all they go around mocking Khmer history.

How do you know Siamese took Angkor royal court dance with them? From the French. LOL There are no any evidence that saying Siamese took Angkor dance, only French scholar's dreaming. It's just based on French assumption that Siamese took it from Angkor. Show me your solid proof that we took it from you.

Angkor royal dance is nothing but religion dance, the Brahmin ritual dance. These ancient dance influenced every court dance in SE Asian kingdoms not just Angkor. Other kingdoms like Srivijaya, Dvaravati etc... had this dance direct from ancient Indians not from Angkorean. Angkor dance 800 years ago is like Tamil dance, not Siamese/Thai dance which is slower and neater. 800 years make Siamese/Thai dance (including other atrs and culture) evolved to like now. But in Cambodia, there are nothing evolved but copied from Siamese/Thai. If you Khmer were real Angkorean, you must have dance/art and culture that look and feel like Angkor NOT Siamese/Thai. Why khmer never evolves their culture? that becos they were descents of labor slaves, not the rulers of Angkor. You people had no knowledge to keep Angkorean culture developed but extincted!!! Khmer are not same people of Angkorean, that's end of story.
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