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Aza
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After death of the Sultan-Uvajs-khan signs of decline of Mogulistana have more and more started to be shown. In the followed interstine struggle the victory was gained by the son of Sultan-Uvajs-khan Esen of Buga-khan (14291461). In the late fifties XV centuries in Jeti Su\seven rivers\ moved from East Desht-Kipchak land a part of sorts led by sultans Zhanibek and Kerei\decsendants of Genghizkhan\. Эсен Buga-khan has allocated with it the earths in a valley of the rivers Chu and Talas where they have formed Kazakh khanate. In second half XV and the beginning XVI subsequent governors of Mogulistan tried to strengthen position. Since 60th years of XVI century the Mongolian tribes of Mogulistan were a part of the Kazakh khanate.

Kazakh territorial divisions of Kazakhstan.

The ancient flag of kazakhstan Ancient mongolian flag !!!!!!! icon_smile.gif



Old division\Uli juz\-Mongols from Moghulistan
central division\Orta juz\-Oirats from western Mongolia and Sibiria
Little division\kishi juz\-local turkic tribes and the mongols from Nogai tatars and krim-kanate




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CAsian
we all know that the Chingizids, some Mongolian speaking tribes like Kitans (or Western Lao) and may be some other ones took part in the formation of Kazakh ethnicity. The same way as some Turkic speaking tribes took part in the formation of the modern day Mongolian people.

as for the medieval Mongols I already told you that some of our tribes were called the Mongols but they were Turkic speaking from the early times before Chingiz khan.

btw, your information about juzes is not correct. We don't really know the exact reason and principles of separation by three juzes. Please don't create nonsense.

Aza
QUOTE (CAsian @ Sep 12 2011, 02:11 AM) *
as for the medieval Mongols I already told you that some of our tribes were called the Mongols but they were Turkic speaking from the early times before Chingiz khan.

btw, your information about juzes is not correct. We don't really know the exact reason and principles of separation by three juzes. Please don't create nonsense.

I agree with it. But these turko-speaking tribes were not you. madcool.gif

Look here. I didn't write it, and Kazakhs so consider. Probably, they"re cleverer than you.
http://www.ia-centr.ru/expert/5088/I
CAsian
QUOTE (Aza @ Sep 12 2011, 06:11 AM) *
I agree with it. But these turko-speaking tribes were not you. madcool.gif

Look here. I didn't write it, and Kazakhs so consider. Probably, they"re cleverer than you.
http://www.ia-centr.ru/expert/5088/I

once more: the assumption that Kereys were Mongolian speaking people in the early middle ages is highly doubtful. You know that from historical forums, I guess.
btw, I could not open your reference though don't think it can be helpful
Aza
About kereit"s language. Either on Mongolian or on tungus-manchju. Such answer to you will be given by scientists in a historical forum.

Tell me who says lies?
Rashid Ad Din or Plano Carpini? On yours, it turns out that they were deceivers
OR modern kazakh folk-historians? biggrin.gif
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