from japanese friends, i post this thread, and posted in the past similar threads on other chats
i did not want to look spamming, so write here the similar but different topics in filipino chat
1 langugage
language of japanse and philippines are both austroasian, and similar grammer and words. western science told that japanese language is similar to language of philippines, indonesia, and probably tamil-creol language.
2 DNA
O2a, O3 genes of philippines probably the roots of japanese O2b1 and O3 genes.
also, ydna of japanese emperor is probably from sunda land, so roots of japan lies in sunda land, and philippines
3 economy
because of too strong yen, japan comapnies move out of japan. japan moves to import, service, finance and R&D sector, not an export or electronics.
japan favors south east asian countries like vietnam, indonesia, thailand, east india, malaysia and philippines to take over japan, and surpass japan. like korea and taiwan in 1970s, who made many japanese OEM products now better than japan in many fields,
it is good that japan companies choose to move to south east asia, not to other countries.
philippines can develop high technology exports, and probably take over korea, japan, taiwan because of lower exchange rate. japan comapnies transfer technology, customer base, and philippines has exchange rate advantage against japan, south korea, taiwan,
so, korea becomes next japan, and vietnam, indonesia, philippines, malaysia becomes next south korea to lead electronics and car industry, and philippines surpass japan and south kroea in electronics and car
4 culture
japan's house, wet rice, clothes similar to south east asia and scholars found it thec roots in south east asia.
Full Version: Philippines and Japan friendship
Japanese language, genetics and culture is much closer to Koreans. Japan and Philipines share NO language connection whatsoever. Japanese language is Altaic while Philipino language is tagalog. They couldn't be farther apart (in terms of Asians).
But japanese did occupy the philipines for a while so there was probably some mixing. Just don't tell Japanese people that they are related to SEA's because they will get mad.
But japanese did occupy the philipines for a while so there was probably some mixing. Just don't tell Japanese people that they are related to SEA's because they will get mad.
QUOTE (devils666 @ Sep 19 2011, 03:12 AM) 
Japanese language, genetics and culture is much closer to Koreans. Japan and Philipines share NO language connection whatsoever. Japanese language is Altaic while Philipino language is tagalog. They couldn't be farther apart (in terms of Asians).
But japanese did occupy the philipines for a while so there was probably some mixing. Just don't tell Japanese people that they are related to SEA's because they will get mad.
But japanese did occupy the philipines for a while so there was probably some mixing. Just don't tell Japanese people that they are related to SEA's because they will get mad.
are you filipino?
conncection betwen japan and philippines by lingusits
Yevgeny Polivanov, – January 25, 1938, Soviet linguist
Shichirō Murayama (村山 七郎, - 1995) ,Japanese linguist
P. Benedict
about source information like wikipedia,
japanese wikipedia is not same as english wikipedia, japanese are no good in english, and wikipedia is edited by someone excluding austronesian linguist theory
Yeah, It's funny to me that Nordic, English, Arab, Greek, Italian, Spanish, and North African people are still considered caucasian or white.. But then they try to say Polynesians, Austronesians, Japanese, Hindu, Malay, Chinese etc. are all different races.. Because 9/10 anthropologists and archaeologists are European. I'm sure there are good white anthropologists who speak truth, but they get drowned out by the ones who are more invested in the interests of their own race to care for truth, so no one really gets a fair shake. They don't want to admit that this is planet Asia after all or that Egypt(Where European Arts/Culture originated) was black.
My grandmother lived through the brutality of the Japanese occupation. See told me the horror stories of babies being bayoneted, The stories of rape, torture and scientific experiments.
Japan is going to need a lot more than DNA to restore friendly relationships between the Philippines or any other Asian nation, especially China.
Japan is going to need a lot more than DNA to restore friendly relationships between the Philippines or any other Asian nation, especially China.
Island Brother,
How do MOST Japanese feel about this post? I know you are very enthusiastic about shared heritage and culture with SE Asia.. I want to see how other Japanese react to this information.
You should post you OP in the Japan Forum too
How do MOST Japanese feel about this post? I know you are very enthusiastic about shared heritage and culture with SE Asia.. I want to see how other Japanese react to this information.
You should post you OP in the Japan Forum too
the connection is very minimal in my opinion, but it's certainly there. anyway tough luck on the friendship part though. japan only prefers western countries...
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Sep 19 2011, 04:45 PM)
Island Brother,
How do MOST Japanese feel about this post? I know you are very enthusiastic about shared heritage and culture with SE Asia.. I want to see how other Japanese react to this information.
You should post you OP in the Japan Forum too
How do MOST Japanese feel about this post? I know you are very enthusiastic about shared heritage and culture with SE Asia.. I want to see how other Japanese react to this information.
You should post you OP in the Japan Forum too
they wouldn't give a damn.
they'll be like
in a non-sarcastic way
QUOTE (kimminator @ Sep 19 2011, 11:05 PM)
they wouldn't give a damn.
they'll be like
in a non-sarcastic way
they'll be like
in a non-sarcastic way
lol, I'm gonna show this to my Japanese friend and see what he says
To anybodyKiller
MOST japanese dont have single view on ethnics. Majority of japan people don't have ideas other than jomons and yayois, before ice age, it is prehistory, so no japanese have sure views. japans don't know even jomon and yayoi origin,.
japan thinks they part of far east, and sometimes a part of east asia. but north east asia is a politics word, and most people in japan don't use it.
someone said japan is buddhist country, but this is not truth
but in pop culture, japan likes neuroscience most. many neuroscientist, many medical doctors, psychologist, biologists on TV, everyday, who clears questions of mankind are always discussed in female chats, or male dringking to discuss other people personals.
so , science is, and controls MOST japanese opinions. I saw science people in TV talk about ice age migrations from sunda land,
so, mabe 20% of japanese now knows this.
TV is based in this link
http://www.kahaku.go.jp/special/past/japan...pix/3/3-02.html
it is most recent science and it is against the view of science by politicial scientist in imperialist times to justify that japan and korea, and china, and mongol people share all same roots. some koreans historian, who studies with japan political scholars before imperial japan's defeats, inherited the agenda of imperial japan, to set them above other ethnics. according to imperialist, mongol was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and korean was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and southern chinese was japan's ancestor, which rejected by DNA science and rejected by analytical lingusts.
now, south east asia has best match in science as both sources of jomon and yayoi, and they migrated during ice age, when land bridge to japan appear and disappear frequently.
feeling to philippines is a similar to what island people feels to other island people.
most japan people know s is that many japanese look similar to people in philippines, indonesian, malaysian, thailand.
there are people who don't , but there is evolution, and looks change by biology.
so I have opportunities to talk to people who traveled to south east asia, and most visitors to south east asia already saw Sunda land TV document of TV broadcast, and when they come home, they say they felt at home, and felt that they came another home. japanese don't say it when visit china, korea, mongol, europe, USA, canada etc. but this is only when they visit south east asia.
about language, austronesian theory is mainstream. alataic language rejected already long time ago. any japanese university students who study literature, linguistics, language knows that japan's language is similar to language of philippines, indonesia, malaysia. minor theory supports creol-tamil language but this is weak and minor to austronesian. so for language, maybe, 10-20% of japanese know connection. also, national university has liberal arts curriculum, and most students took these courses, so most japan's educated elites know this theory.
MOST japanese dont have single view on ethnics. Majority of japan people don't have ideas other than jomons and yayois, before ice age, it is prehistory, so no japanese have sure views. japans don't know even jomon and yayoi origin,.
japan thinks they part of far east, and sometimes a part of east asia. but north east asia is a politics word, and most people in japan don't use it.
someone said japan is buddhist country, but this is not truth
but in pop culture, japan likes neuroscience most. many neuroscientist, many medical doctors, psychologist, biologists on TV, everyday, who clears questions of mankind are always discussed in female chats, or male dringking to discuss other people personals.
so , science is, and controls MOST japanese opinions. I saw science people in TV talk about ice age migrations from sunda land,
so, mabe 20% of japanese now knows this.
TV is based in this link
http://www.kahaku.go.jp/special/past/japan...pix/3/3-02.html
it is most recent science and it is against the view of science by politicial scientist in imperialist times to justify that japan and korea, and china, and mongol people share all same roots. some koreans historian, who studies with japan political scholars before imperial japan's defeats, inherited the agenda of imperial japan, to set them above other ethnics. according to imperialist, mongol was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and korean was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and southern chinese was japan's ancestor, which rejected by DNA science and rejected by analytical lingusts.
now, south east asia has best match in science as both sources of jomon and yayoi, and they migrated during ice age, when land bridge to japan appear and disappear frequently.
feeling to philippines is a similar to what island people feels to other island people.
most japan people know s is that many japanese look similar to people in philippines, indonesian, malaysian, thailand.
there are people who don't , but there is evolution, and looks change by biology.
so I have opportunities to talk to people who traveled to south east asia, and most visitors to south east asia already saw Sunda land TV document of TV broadcast, and when they come home, they say they felt at home, and felt that they came another home. japanese don't say it when visit china, korea, mongol, europe, USA, canada etc. but this is only when they visit south east asia.
about language, austronesian theory is mainstream. alataic language rejected already long time ago. any japanese university students who study literature, linguistics, language knows that japan's language is similar to language of philippines, indonesia, malaysia. minor theory supports creol-tamil language but this is weak and minor to austronesian. so for language, maybe, 10-20% of japanese know connection. also, national university has liberal arts curriculum, and most students took these courses, so most japan's educated elites know this theory.
QUOTE (islandBrother @ Sep 20 2011, 07:04 PM)
To anybodyKiller
MOST japanese dont have single view on ethnics. Majority of japan people don't have ideas other than jomons and yayois, before ice age, it is prehistory, so no japanese have sure views. japans don't know even jomon and yayoi origin,.
japan thinks they part of far east, and sometimes a part of east asia. but north east asia is a politics word, and most people in japan don't use it.
someone said japan is buddhist country, but this is not truth
but in pop culture, japan likes neuroscience most. many neuroscientist, many medical doctors, psychologist, biologists on TV, everyday, who clears questions of mankind are always discussed in female chats, or male dringking to discuss other people personals.
so , science is, and controls MOST japanese opinions. I saw science people in TV talk about ice age migrations from sunda land,
so, mabe 20% of japanese now knows this.
TV is based in this link
http://www.kahaku.go.jp/special/past/japan...pix/3/3-02.html
it is most recent science and it is against the view of science by politicial scientist in imperialist times to justify that japan and korea, and china, and mongol people share all same roots. some koreans historian, who studies with japan political scholars before imperial japan's defeats, inherited the agenda of imperial japan, to set them above other ethnics. according to imperialist, mongol was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and korean was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and southern chinese was japan's ancestor, which rejected by DNA science and rejected by analytical lingusts.
now, south east asia has best match in science as both sources of jomon and yayoi, and they migrated during ice age, when land bridge to japan appear and disappear frequently.
feeling to philippines is a similar to what island people feels to other island people.
most japan people know s is that many japanese look similar to people in philippines, indonesian, malaysian, thailand.
there are people who don't , but there is evolution, and looks change by biology.
so I have opportunities to talk to people who traveled to south east asia, and most visitors to south east asia already saw Sunda land TV document of TV broadcast, and when they come home, they say they felt at home, and felt that they came another home. japanese don't say it when visit china, korea, mongol, europe, USA, canada etc. but this is only when they visit south east asia.
about language, austronesian theory is mainstream. alataic language rejected already long time ago. any japanese university students who study literature, linguistics, language knows that japan's language is similar to language of philippines, indonesia, malaysia. minor theory supports creol-tamil language but this is weak and minor to austronesian. so for language, maybe, 10-20% of japanese know connection. also, national university has liberal arts curriculum, and most students took these courses, so most japan's educated elites know this theory.
MOST japanese dont have single view on ethnics. Majority of japan people don't have ideas other than jomons and yayois, before ice age, it is prehistory, so no japanese have sure views. japans don't know even jomon and yayoi origin,.
japan thinks they part of far east, and sometimes a part of east asia. but north east asia is a politics word, and most people in japan don't use it.
someone said japan is buddhist country, but this is not truth
but in pop culture, japan likes neuroscience most. many neuroscientist, many medical doctors, psychologist, biologists on TV, everyday, who clears questions of mankind are always discussed in female chats, or male dringking to discuss other people personals.
so , science is, and controls MOST japanese opinions. I saw science people in TV talk about ice age migrations from sunda land,
so, mabe 20% of japanese now knows this.
TV is based in this link
http://www.kahaku.go.jp/special/past/japan...pix/3/3-02.html
it is most recent science and it is against the view of science by politicial scientist in imperialist times to justify that japan and korea, and china, and mongol people share all same roots. some koreans historian, who studies with japan political scholars before imperial japan's defeats, inherited the agenda of imperial japan, to set them above other ethnics. according to imperialist, mongol was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and korean was japan's ancestor, which rejected, and southern chinese was japan's ancestor, which rejected by DNA science and rejected by analytical lingusts.
now, south east asia has best match in science as both sources of jomon and yayoi, and they migrated during ice age, when land bridge to japan appear and disappear frequently.
feeling to philippines is a similar to what island people feels to other island people.
most japan people know s is that many japanese look similar to people in philippines, indonesian, malaysian, thailand.
there are people who don't , but there is evolution, and looks change by biology.
so I have opportunities to talk to people who traveled to south east asia, and most visitors to south east asia already saw Sunda land TV document of TV broadcast, and when they come home, they say they felt at home, and felt that they came another home. japanese don't say it when visit china, korea, mongol, europe, USA, canada etc. but this is only when they visit south east asia.
about language, austronesian theory is mainstream. alataic language rejected already long time ago. any japanese university students who study literature, linguistics, language knows that japan's language is similar to language of philippines, indonesia, malaysia. minor theory supports creol-tamil language but this is weak and minor to austronesian. so for language, maybe, 10-20% of japanese know connection. also, national university has liberal arts curriculum, and most students took these courses, so most japan's educated elites know this theory.
I always tought that Koreans and Japanese and mongolians were the closest because of "Altaic brotherhood" (which seems like an Asian version of Nazis). And that SEA's were the farthest away from those 3 groups. But that's mostly what I hear from korean nationalists.
QUOTE (devils666 @ Sep 20 2011, 08:17 PM)
I always tought that Koreans and Japanese and mongolians were the closest because of "Altaic brotherhood" (which seems like an Asian version of Nazis). And that SEA's were the farthest away from those 3 groups. But that's mostly what I hear from korean nationalists.
mongols DNA and koreans DNA may be related each other, but i am not sure.
i hope korea do not gets in ways for south east asians to prosper, and to get in ways for japan to give technology, know-how to philippines just japan did to other countries before, for philippines to compete with japan, korea, taiwan, etc.
korean business men and some japan right wing group were bonded by Manchuko (Manchu) army / polices years, because many koreans joined Manchuko police, army, and become friends of japanese ruling people who expeled by americans but had good connections, etc. media calls it Manchuko connections. connectinos used for economy friendship after 1970s. korea president in 1970s were schooled in Manchuko army.
it is evil connections.
but, i hope late generations of philippines and japan become genuine friends not rely the evil connection.
philippines and indonesia, malaysia and vietnam, and thailand can surpass japan, and south korea, later, and next electronics center of world.
japan and philippines friendship is not big in world, but some countries don't want happen.
In general the Japanese are less offended by discussion about possible origins in the south compared to say.. China and Korea because the Japanese tend to be more enlightened intellectually and culturally than the nationalistic insecure Chinese. I dont know if i agree with the theory but it has been shown in a genetic study that Vietnamese are the most genetically diverse group of mongoloids suggesting they are probably where mongoloids first emerged.
I've heard about the migrations from SEA into ancient Japan and I believe it happened. Many migrations to Japan happened from varies places. There are also records of mass exodus out of Japan during famine and volcanic eruptions. Where did those people go? No one knows.
We have known we have SEA as part of our ancestry for a long time. It's the details of when , who ,where that we don't know. Also, who contributed what to the country; language, culture, DNA, technology etc..
We even know their was small contact/influences with Indian traders going up the coast to Japan. There is hard evidence that they traded in Japan and there are some 100 or so words that must have Indian origin - no other explanation for these particular words. Also certain pottery is very similar between the countries. The name and usage of these pots are similar.
I think these exchanges and migration is not limited to Japan's history. I think the future will reveal that everyone's history is complex and intertwined with others - even distant peoples.
We have known we have SEA as part of our ancestry for a long time. It's the details of when , who ,where that we don't know. Also, who contributed what to the country; language, culture, DNA, technology etc..
We even know their was small contact/influences with Indian traders going up the coast to Japan. There is hard evidence that they traded in Japan and there are some 100 or so words that must have Indian origin - no other explanation for these particular words. Also certain pottery is very similar between the countries. The name and usage of these pots are similar.
I think these exchanges and migration is not limited to Japan's history. I think the future will reveal that everyone's history is complex and intertwined with others - even distant peoples.
here is a papuan. looks like a tropical ainu to me
QUOTE (manchuwok @ Sep 22 2011, 02:22 AM)
here is a papuan. looks like a tropical ainu to me
Yeah it does
Here's an Ainu
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Sep 22 2011, 11:55 AM)
Yeah it does
Here's an Ainu
Here's an Ainu
here is an ifugao
I think it is generally accepted Ainu are a northern branch of Australoids.
The modern Ainu
QUOTE (manchuwok @ Sep 21 2011, 10:18 PM)
In general the Japanese are less offended by discussion about possible origins in the south compared to say.. China and Korea because the Japanese tend to be more enlightened intellectually and culturally than the nationalistic insecure Chinese. I dont know if i agree with the theory but it has been shown in a genetic study that Vietnamese are the most genetically diverse group of mongoloids suggesting they are probably where mongoloids first emerged.
Manchuwok, do you have the study? Can you post it, or post a link to it? Thank you.
QUOTE (Prau123 @ Sep 23 2011, 12:05 AM)
Manchuwok, do you have the study? Can you post it, or post a link to it? Thank you.
http://www.genetics.org/content/130/1/139.full.pdf+html
It was done in 1992 so keep that in mind
japan n filipino are brothers and sisters 
QUOTE (kimminator @ Sep 26 2011, 08:06 AM)
japan n filipino are brothers and sisters
cheers for both japanese and filipino.
it is difficult to understand each other, particularly origin.
some warnings to you..
some koreans, foi2 and chiuchimu, come to japan chat and fake japanaese.
they may come to insult you here but faking japanese identity..
foi2
気違いやつに本気の答えはいらん。 あいつは日本人になりたすぎて病気になったぞ（笑）無知な奴気にしないでね。
wrong phrase (foi2) 気違いやつに
correct phrase 気違ったやつに
or more appropriate 頭のおかしい奴に
awkward phrase (foi2) 病気になったぞ = get sick or ill
correct phrase おかしくなったぞ
awkward phrase (foi2) 無知な奴気にしないでね = no joints, awkward
correct phrase 無知な奴だから気にしないでね
chiuchimu
われら日本人は運動神経いい人や けんかが強い物が 好きとゆうか あこがれてるとゆか、 とにかく、にんきがある。
awkward phrase (chiuchimu) われら日本人 = we japanese
this 'we japanese' is rare use. 'japanese' is same as 'we japanese ' in japan.
some koreans in japan tends to use the phrase われら「国籍や文化を示す言葉」。
awkward phrase (chiuchimu) けんかが強い物が = material which is better in fights
better phrase けんかに強いものが
it is better to use もの not 物 which is material.
awkward phrase (chiuchimu) あこがれてるとゆか
correct phrase あこがれてるとゆうか == still awkward for full japanese, must be like あごがれってゆーか
some people in philillipines speak japanese.
their language is obvious fault...
Both chiuchimu and foi2 uses the langugae well, but uses it like foreign residents in japan, japanese of foi2 and chiuchimu is weak for true japanese.
one who speaks this level is either koreans or taiwanese living in japan.
foi2 and chiuchimu is supports koreans and k-pop, but no mention on taiwanese pop.
also rvsp understands good japanese same level, but he is koreans.
foi2 and chiuchimu is probably koreans.
I just don't see a connection to japan.
The Jomon are haplogroup D. their brothers are in Tibet, the Andaman islands, and their y-dna E brothers (Jews (Sephardic and Ashkenazim , west africans and Berbers)
The Yayoi, are koreans (Y-Dna N and O2). Austronesian Markers are simply not found in Japan. I've never seen a single Japanese that looked like a South East Asian in my entire life. Jomon look more like Caucasians than anything else.
The Jomon are haplogroup D. their brothers are in Tibet, the Andaman islands, and their y-dna E brothers (Jews (Sephardic and Ashkenazim , west africans and Berbers)
The Yayoi, are koreans (Y-Dna N and O2). Austronesian Markers are simply not found in Japan. I've never seen a single Japanese that looked like a South East Asian in my entire life. Jomon look more like Caucasians than anything else.
Toshiro Mifune
He could pass for South East Asian to me
Naoto Takenaka
D, and O2b1 is jomon, not yayoi.
okinawan (D2, O2b1), vietnamese (D1, O2b1), indonesian (D1, O2b1), andamanese (D1) has those DNA.
source: http://web.archive.org/web/20101112094221/...jomonainu-japan
okinawan (D2, O2b1), vietnamese (D1, O2b1), indonesian (D1, O2b1), andamanese (D1) has those DNA.
source: http://web.archive.org/web/20101112094221/...jomonainu-japan
Those aren't austronesian markers. South east Asian markers, maybe, but not specifically austronesian.
O3a3 and o1a are the true austronesian markers, and those are not found in Japan at any significant frequency. the link between koreans and mainland SEA (Thai Khmer viet) has already been established. This is no different than the Japanese.
while austronesian culture and language has a wide spread geographic distribution, actual austronesian people are spread quite thinly. Mainly, they are found in western indonesia, Taiwan, south china, southern philipines and austronesian cultural zones in the pacific.
The Japanese invaded, subjegated, and massacred true austronesians in south china, Taiwan, philipines and Polynesian. we should never forget that. the Japanese and the SEA mainlanders may have an ancient connection to each other, but there is no connection to austronesians AT ALL. as austronesians, we have a 30,000+ year old connections to s. Chinese, Hmong-mien and that's about it. We are very far removed from other Asians in culture, genes, and physiology.
O3a3 and o1a are the true austronesian markers, and those are not found in Japan at any significant frequency. the link between koreans and mainland SEA (Thai Khmer viet) has already been established. This is no different than the Japanese.
while austronesian culture and language has a wide spread geographic distribution, actual austronesian people are spread quite thinly. Mainly, they are found in western indonesia, Taiwan, south china, southern philipines and austronesian cultural zones in the pacific.
The Japanese invaded, subjegated, and massacred true austronesians in south china, Taiwan, philipines and Polynesian. we should never forget that. the Japanese and the SEA mainlanders may have an ancient connection to each other, but there is no connection to austronesians AT ALL. as austronesians, we have a 30,000+ year old connections to s. Chinese, Hmong-mien and that's about it. We are very far removed from other Asians in culture, genes, and physiology.
QUOTE (austronesian0sailor @ Sep 27 2011, 05:29 PM)
while austronesian culture and language has a wide spread geographic distribution, actual austronesian people are spread quite thinly. Mainly, they are found in western indonesia, Taiwan, south china, southern philipines and austronesian cultural zones in the pacific.
What are actual austronesian people? people who speak an austronesian language perhaps? Austronesian isn't an ethnic, nor racial term. There is no true austronesian ethnic group. There are however, people who speak an austronesian language.
QUOTE
The Japanese invaded, subjegated, and massacred true austronesians in south china, Taiwan, philipines and Polynesian. we should never forget that. the Japanese and the SEA mainlanders may have an ancient connection to each other, but there is no connection to austronesians AT ALL. as austronesians, we have a 30,000+ year old connections to s. Chinese, Hmong-mien and that's about it. We are very far removed from other Asians in culture, genes, and physiology.
hey how did you turn your dna analysis to a jpg file? i recently had one done but i dont know how to turn it into an image file, i forgot. I would upload the entire acrobate reader file but it has my real name and i want to edit that part out. The dna results said the best possible matches for my dna was central luzon and central honshu japan with varying degrees of match in northern thailand, taiwan, and yunan province china.
QUOTE (manchuwok @ Sep 27 2011, 06:54 PM)
What are actual austronesian people? people who speak an austronesian language perhaps? Austronesian isn't an ethnic, nor racial term. There is no true austronesian ethnic group. There are however, people who speak an austronesian language.
Direct descendants of the Ami-tribe.
From my experience, there is tension sometimes between Japanese and it does lead back to WWII. Especially if you ever visit Hawaii, the negative feelings seem stronger there. It seems like some Japanese think lower of South East Asians and Polynesians. I wouldn't raise my sons or daughters to hate Japanese people though, but I would teach them to watch out for the Japanese that think they're better than other Asians because they're out there.
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Sep 27 2011, 06:22 PM)
From my experience, there is tension sometimes between Japanese and it does lead back to WWII. Especially if you ever visit Hawaii, the negative feelings seem stronger there. It seems like some Japanese think lower of South East Asians and Polynesians. I wouldn't raise my sons or daughters to hate Japanese people though, but I would teach them to watch out for the Japanese that think they're better than other Asians because they're out there.
NE asians think they are better than us because they tend to be more successful academically. You don't combat this just by teaching your children about the history. You combat this by raising your children to be doctors, lawyers, engineers etc.. It is a waste of time to just teach the younger generation about the past unless you have a plan to make changes. It is one thing to know history, its another to do something about it.
QUOTE (austronesian0sailor @ Sep 27 2011, 06:15 PM)
Direct descendants of the Ami-tribe.
Then what makes southern filipinos more pure austronesian than say... the Ivatan or Ilocano? One would think those furthest from Taiwan would be more distantly related.
QUOTE (manchuwok @ Sep 27 2011, 06:27 PM)
NE asians think they are better than us because they tend to be more successful academically. You don't combat this just by teaching your children about the history. You combat this by raising your children to be doctors, lawyers, engineers etc.. It is a waste of time to just teach the younger generation about the past unless you have a plan to make changes. It is one thing to know history, its another to do something about it.
We're stereotyped as being less successful academically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_American#Education
I don't think most NE asians think they're better, but some. I would never teach young children to hate, just make them realize that they should never be ashamed of their culture or race.
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Sep 27 2011, 06:58 PM)
We're stereotyped as being less successful academically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_American#Education
I don't think most NE asians think they're better, but some. I would never teach young children to hate, just make them realize that they should never be ashamed of their culture or race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_American#Education
I don't think most NE asians think they're better, but some. I would never teach young children to hate, just make them realize that they should never be ashamed of their culture or race.
you're right, but some of them still think we're below them. I notice this more from those directly from there as oppose to Americanized Asians who have gone through the US educational system that teaches racial equality.
japan also has O2a, and O2a is a father/mother or brother/sister of O2b.
it may be true 20 years ago. but think someone is lower is a sign of mental insecurity or arrogance.
japan tried to catch USA, and made them insecure. but
when rich, insecurity went away, most japanese people forgot insecurity, but some people arrogant because of money.
japan did not do well last 20 years, and tsunami and arrogance gone down.
money made people feel good and feel less about other people, it is sad.
people in philippines can work hard, and surpass japan, south korea, taiwan. if money thinks important, people in philippine can make money like japan did in 1960s. education is most important. because of strong yen, japanese companies will go out of japan, and i prefer that they go to the country like philippines, and make the country stronger like south korea and become next south korea like the next center of electronics and car. this happened to USA-Japan in 1960s because of too strong US dollar.
science already prove that japanese came from south east asia. many young students know japan's true origin.
also, tokugawa heir, relatives of emperor, married vietnamese woman, and
emperor's son had a thailand girlfriend, whom he could not marry because she was not royals.
by the way, there are many fake japanese who wants to split between philippines and japan, or china and japan, or vietnam and japan. they are probably koreans. they speak incomplete japanese, and they are really aggressive unlike most sarcasm japanese, a sign of lying about their own identity.
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Sep 27 2011, 06:22 PM)
From my experience, there is tension sometimes between Japanese and it does lead back to WWII. Especially if you ever visit Hawaii, the negative feelings seem stronger there. It seems like some Japanese think lower of South East Asians and Polynesians. I wouldn't raise my sons or daughters to hate Japanese people though, but I would teach them to watch out for the Japanese that think they're better than other Asians because they're out there.
it may be true 20 years ago. but think someone is lower is a sign of mental insecurity or arrogance.
japan tried to catch USA, and made them insecure. but
when rich, insecurity went away, most japanese people forgot insecurity, but some people arrogant because of money.
japan did not do well last 20 years, and tsunami and arrogance gone down.
money made people feel good and feel less about other people, it is sad.
people in philippines can work hard, and surpass japan, south korea, taiwan. if money thinks important, people in philippine can make money like japan did in 1960s. education is most important. because of strong yen, japanese companies will go out of japan, and i prefer that they go to the country like philippines, and make the country stronger like south korea and become next south korea like the next center of electronics and car. this happened to USA-Japan in 1960s because of too strong US dollar.
science already prove that japanese came from south east asia. many young students know japan's true origin.
also, tokugawa heir, relatives of emperor, married vietnamese woman, and
emperor's son had a thailand girlfriend, whom he could not marry because she was not royals.
by the way, there are many fake japanese who wants to split between philippines and japan, or china and japan, or vietnam and japan. they are probably koreans. they speak incomplete japanese, and they are really aggressive unlike most sarcasm japanese, a sign of lying about their own identity.
QUOTE (islandBrother @ Sep 27 2011, 08:49 PM)
by the way, there are many fake japanese who wants to split between philippines and japan, or china and japan, or vietnam and japan. they are probably koreans. they speak incomplete japanese, and they are really aggressive unlike most sarcasm japanese, a sign of lying about their own identity.
Look, it is you who started accusing well-established Japanese members of being fake Japanese. It is you who keep talking about Koreans and trying to put a wedge between Koreans and others. Creepy as hell. Stop bringing Koreans for your agenda.
QUOTE (doggyji @ Sep 27 2011, 09:42 PM)
Look, it is you who started accusing well-established Japanese members of being fake Japanese. It is you who who keep talking about Koreans and trying to put a wedge between Koreans and others. Creepy as hell. Stop bringing Koreans for your agenda.
you sound emotional again or overly defensive about korea.
it is internet, and calm down. what power do i have? i am powerless, and i can't influence other people.
if i am creepy, then, i am no influential and people ignores me for best
you think you can inflience? if yes, probably you don't need to feel insecure to show up like this. just promote your k-pop and is more powerful.
If you look from my view, they speak incomplete japanese common to koreans in japan, or to koreans who hold japan citizenship but identity as koreans. there was a strange personality change of this member too, which was too oversensitive or overly defensive if they speak truths. there is something wrong in them, or they lack hearts to critizie me like they did to me.
i need no denfense against japan. i don't go defensive against japan. i don't need confirmation that i am japanese. i know i am, and i know what japan are. japan is a mere country. it is good and bad. you meet many japanese, good, evil, creepy, strange, racist, liberal, psychiatrist, lawer, communist, capitalist, and you meet me,. and feeling unfortunate about yourself or about me is you decide.
it sets you and me apart to be indifferent to trivial nation image.
^ You keep doing this. You say all you want and when someone tackles it, you turn the table and resort to your "you sound emotional" mantra instead of getting to the point. What's up? Last time I checked, humans have emotions and a large chunk of human activities is governed by feelings and emotions. Are you against any arguments here because we as average individuals are not "influential"? What makes you spend time here to promote Japan-SEA bond?
I will explain why I think you are delusional in the other thread.
I will explain why I think you are delusional in the other thread.
QUOTE (doggyji @ Sep 27 2011, 10:39 PM)
^ You keep doing this. You say all you want and when someone tackles it, you turn the table and resort to your "you sound emotional" mantra instead of getting to the point. What's up? Last time I checked, humans have emotions and a large chunk of human activities is governed by feelings and emotions. Are you against any arguments here because we as average individuals are not "influential"? What makes you spend time here to promote Japan-SEA bond?
I will explain why I think you are delusional in the other thread.
I will explain why I think you are delusional in the other thread.
Good luck to making me look delusional. and making korea look great.
QUOTE (islandBrother @ Sep 27 2011, 11:43 PM)
Good luck to making me look delusional. and making korea look great.
No thanks. I don't need any luck. Your responses tend to be divergent with misplaced sarcasm. It is you who cast a stone. Stop turning the table.http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4889743
QUOTE (manchuwok @ Sep 21 2011, 11:18 PM)
In general the Japanese are less offended by discussion about possible origins in the south compared to say.. China and Korea because the Japanese tend to be more enlightened intellectually and culturally than the nationalistic insecure Chinese. I dont know if i agree with the theory but it has been shown in a genetic study that Vietnamese are the most genetically diverse group of mongoloids suggesting they are probably where mongoloids first emerged.
I also notice the Japanese seems more open-mind than the Chinese nationalists. In sino-sphere culture, I like Japanese culture the most. The modern Vietnamese in Southern largely mixed with Aborigines in SEA. The northern part maybe carry different genetic, but I also do believe many of them are mixed already since a large part in northern used to belong to Aborigines.
QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ Sep 20 2011, 07:41 AM)
the connection is very minimal in my opinion, but it's certainly there. anyway tough luck on the friendship part though. japan only prefers western countries...
wow for a white non asian guy, krateros is sooo involved in asian affair.. kidding...
philippines and japan were historically linked. the ancient kingdoms of apparri were exporting luzon jars to okinawa and japan even before the europeans arrived. also japan was not always the evil imperialist that it was in WW2. japan was actually an ally of the philippines even during the pre spanish period...
does anyone remember the conspiracy of the maharlikas? then rajah sulayman III the leader of manila conspired with datu's from brunei, palawan and luzon to overthrow the spanish conquerors (that was less than a decade after spain conquered the visayas and luzon). brunei was sending us troops and reinforcement and the japanese were giving us weapons. unfortunately, the spanish found out and they had all the royalty killed or exiled (so don't wonder where all our sultan's, datu's rajahs etc went). The spanish then went to war with brunei and finally burned it to the ground before retreating (signalling the end of the bruneian empire which we were part of). the spanish also made us into a hermit kingdom by prohibiting trade and contact with the rest of the world. trade was exclusively handled by "sangley or chinese) and filipinos (indios) were forever banned from talking to foreigners including japanese. this continued for 200+ years until the limit galleon trade in the 18th centruy (which was limited to two trips per year to mexico and back only)...
p.s. there are a lot of dark skinned japanese :-))
QUOTE (datukillscrap @ Sep 29 2011, 12:15 PM)
wow for a white non asian guy, krateros is sooo involved in asian affair.. kidding...
philippines and japan were historically linked. the ancient kingdoms of apparri were exporting luzon jars to okinawa and japan even before the europeans arrived. also japan was not always the evil imperialist that it was in WW2. japan was actually an ally of the philippines even during the pre spanish period...
does anyone remember the conspiracy of the maharlikas? then rajah sulayman III the leader of manila conspired with datu's from brunei, palawan and luzon to overthrow the spanish conquerors (that was less than a decade after spain conquered the visayas and luzon). brunei was sending us troops and reinforcement and the japanese were giving us weapons. unfortunately, the spanish found out and they had all the royalty killed or exiled (so don't wonder where all our sultan's, datu's rajahs etc went). The spanish then went to war with brunei and finally burned it to the ground before retreating (signalling the end of the bruneian empire which we were part of). the spanish also made us into a hermit kingdom by prohibiting trade and contact with the rest of the world. trade was exclusively handled by "sangley or chinese) and filipinos (indios) were forever banned from talking to foreigners including japanese. this continued for 200+ years until the limit galleon trade in the 18th centruy (which was limited to two trips per year to mexico and back only)...
p.s. there are a lot of dark skinned japanese :-))
philippines and japan were historically linked. the ancient kingdoms of apparri were exporting luzon jars to okinawa and japan even before the europeans arrived. also japan was not always the evil imperialist that it was in WW2. japan was actually an ally of the philippines even during the pre spanish period...
does anyone remember the conspiracy of the maharlikas? then rajah sulayman III the leader of manila conspired with datu's from brunei, palawan and luzon to overthrow the spanish conquerors (that was less than a decade after spain conquered the visayas and luzon). brunei was sending us troops and reinforcement and the japanese were giving us weapons. unfortunately, the spanish found out and they had all the royalty killed or exiled (so don't wonder where all our sultan's, datu's rajahs etc went). The spanish then went to war with brunei and finally burned it to the ground before retreating (signalling the end of the bruneian empire which we were part of). the spanish also made us into a hermit kingdom by prohibiting trade and contact with the rest of the world. trade was exclusively handled by "sangley or chinese) and filipinos (indios) were forever banned from talking to foreigners including japanese. this continued for 200+ years until the limit galleon trade in the 18th centruy (which was limited to two trips per year to mexico and back only)...
p.s. there are a lot of dark skinned japanese :-))
where did you get this source from? in my observation... most dark asians (SE Asian, East Asian) are those from farming places
QUOTE (Fictionicon @ Sep 30 2011, 03:18 AM)
where did you get this source from? in my observation... most dark asians (SE Asian, East Asian) are those from farming places
my grade school history book. lol. wow. where did you come from.. you don't know about the conspiracy of the maharlikas or the tondo conspiracy??? hmmmm you were not listening in class i think... ahehehe...
there are a sizeable Japanese community in Spanish Manila they even founded a district called " Dilao" now part of Pandacan and Paco
QUOTE (Ek-ek @ Oct 4 2011, 03:23 AM)
there are a sizeable Japanese community in Spanish Manila they even founded a district called " Dilao" now part of Pandacan and Paco
i know my friends raised in Philippine.
security friendship between japan and Phillipines
THE PHILIPPINES and Japan will be discussing areas for further cooperation when Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert F. del Rosario goes to the foreign country later this week, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) announced yesterday in a statement.
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Mr. del Rosario will visit Japan on June 27-29 upon the invitation of Japanese Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba.
As a follow-up to the signing of the strategic bilateral partnership during the official working visit of President Benigno S. C. Aquino III to Japan last September, the two top diplomats are expected to "discuss vital issues relating to bilateral economic relations, cooperation in the field of maritime security, the Mindanao Peace Process, as well as regional issues such as regional security and cooperation," the DFA said.
Japan is a member of the International Monitoring Team (IMT), headed by Malaysia, which is overseeing the implementation of the ceasefire agreement between the government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).
Other members of the team are contingents from Brunei, Norway and the European Union.
Formed in 2004, the IMT has the mandate from both the government and MILF to monitor the implementation of the security, socioeconomic, civilian protection, and humanitarian, rehabilitation and development aspects of the peace process.
Japan is also assisting in the continuous equipment upgrade of the Philippine Coast Guard.
To discuss other issues to further improve Philippine-Japan relations, Mr. del Rosario will also meet with Deputy Prime Minister Katsuya Okada; President Akihiko Tanaka of the Japan International Cooperation Agency; and officers of the Japan-Philippines Parliamentarian Friendship League.
THE PHILIPPINES and Japan will be discussing areas for further cooperation when Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert F. del Rosario goes to the foreign country later this week, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) announced yesterday in a statement.
RELATED STORIES
Mr. del Rosario will visit Japan on June 27-29 upon the invitation of Japanese Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba.
As a follow-up to the signing of the strategic bilateral partnership during the official working visit of President Benigno S. C. Aquino III to Japan last September, the two top diplomats are expected to "discuss vital issues relating to bilateral economic relations, cooperation in the field of maritime security, the Mindanao Peace Process, as well as regional issues such as regional security and cooperation," the DFA said.
Japan is a member of the International Monitoring Team (IMT), headed by Malaysia, which is overseeing the implementation of the ceasefire agreement between the government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).
Other members of the team are contingents from Brunei, Norway and the European Union.
Formed in 2004, the IMT has the mandate from both the government and MILF to monitor the implementation of the security, socioeconomic, civilian protection, and humanitarian, rehabilitation and development aspects of the peace process.
Japan is also assisting in the continuous equipment upgrade of the Philippine Coast Guard.
To discuss other issues to further improve Philippine-Japan relations, Mr. del Rosario will also meet with Deputy Prime Minister Katsuya Okada; President Akihiko Tanaka of the Japan International Cooperation Agency; and officers of the Japan-Philippines Parliamentarian Friendship League.
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