I find it funny how certain Asian ethnicities are stepping over other Asians just to gain White acceptance. Like saying, "Oh, we not like those dirty Chinese! We taller, cleaner, smarter, and nicer! Chinese BAAAD! We GOOD! We ally with America!"

Whenever I see Asians pathetically putting down other Asians for White approval, I want to paint my skin a different color. What a bunch of House Negros!

LOL,those certain ethnicities had been begging for chinese approval for like 3000 years.They are used to seeking approval,its a just pattern of behavior.

They just love their Massa'!

it's a sad reality of life:

The weak suffer what they must, the strong do what they can. (Thucydides)

i find it extremely annoying when Asians take offense to being labeled "Asian" Americans. "I am American, why do i have to be labeled Asian American"

you have slanted eyes. you are asian, be proud.

i also see this kind of behavior from Blacks and Hispanics. For example, the Creole blacks (mixed with French) always say how they're so much more civilized than other Black people and more attractive.

The Hispanics with European ancestry always talk $hit about the more "native" hispanics.

The Somalians think they are more attractive, smater, and civilized than sub-saharan Africans.

The only people who aren't desperate for approval are White people.

this world is fu-ked

And its only gonna get worse. Where I live, Asians dissing other Asians is common not for white's approval, but claiming superior amongst other Asians. Things really got outta hand 6 years ago when Viet kids were blasting on Chinese cats and vice-versa.

So, the moral of the story is that some non-whites can be racist.

There are some truths in those statements. What do those have anything to do with needing approval? Does pointing out certain facts make a person needy to be accepted?

The only people who aren't desperate for approval are White people?? Obviously you haven't seen and learn much.

It's true that Asians love to diss each other and claim superiority. They may not be directly trying to get White apporoval, but it's subconscious.

For example, NEA's will talk $hit about SEA's and say that NEA's are taller, whiter, more civilized, smarter and have higher noses. Or Japanese thinking they are better than all other Asians because they have "honorary White status".

This also has to do with being AMerica's b!tch. Because as soon as an Asian nation becomes America's b!tch, they think they're better.

preferring US domination over Chinese isnt about acceptance. more like lesser evil to them. but why do you care? Chinese arent in the game of picking who is better to be dominated by. w/e their issues is all side view. when it comes to Asia, China's eyes are set on the US and vice versa, everyone knows this.

It's about internal racism and self-hatred. Preferring to be dominated by Whites instead of Asians shows that we are still in that colonial mentality. It's like worshipping your raper. We asians are tought to hate our own skin and be as less "Asian" as possible.

not really. US domination is limited by it being so far and far less historically involved. asia knows very well what it means to have Chinese dominant. why would they want that again.

US was dominant up until recently. everyone is used to it. beginning of Chinese domination results you can see all over. just take territorial dispute. it is a logical choice for other asians to conclude US domination > Chinese domination.

Haha when has China ever dominated outside the Qing territories? Has China ever colonized Korea, Japan, Philipines, etc...? No. Only western countries and the Japanese have colonized countries not their own.

It's not about "the lesser of two evils", but the fact that Asians are PROUD of beign dominated by WHites. They don't begrudgingly agree to western domination - they REVEL in it.

Chinese dominance historically characterized by 'barbarian' views and tributary system. better than US domination? not really.

colonization isnt the only way to harm a people/country.


but this is modern time, so lets look into what effects there would be.

economy, well many asian countries are export oriented. if Chinese consumption increases as it should, better. time and time again Chinese economy remain strong despite the rest of the world suffering. Asia has benefited and was even helped out of recession because of China. so better.

territory, most likely lose freedom of navigation in South China Sea. Taiwans will most likely be taken over. even more incidents in resource related areas. overall, worse.

politically, right now there are two influential forces in Asia. with only 1, it dramatically increase the pressure on the small asian countries to stand up to China politically. China will most likely get the better in deals, treaties, contracts, etc. without the US there.

this is just a very brief over view. but here is the simple fact, Chinese domination is going to have far more implications than US domination ever did.

When China was at it's peak "dominance" they became isolationist and didn't want anything to do with other countries.

An Asian country dominating Asia is only natural. A western country dominating Asia is pure rape.

they didnt stop trade or political relations. besides that is old thinking. the world is too connected to have nothing to do with other countries.

LOL yeah, submit to Chinese domination because China is an Asian country. you would make a $hitty warlord.


look, China is getting stronger now and look at all the disputes already. it isnt getting less, its getting more. China is not satisfied with the status quo so there is going to be $hit storms until it is.


btw, you keep ignoring how western domination isnt as invasive for most asian countries. maybe okinawans might say different, but that is an exception, not the rule. most asian countries want the US there to balance Chinese rise. this is well known and no secret.

China doesn't want to "dominate" anyone. China has zero history of colonizing other nations. But China does want to be the richest and most advanced country in Asia. If you think that's a bad thing, don't call yourself Chinese.

ok, use a different word. w/e you want to call it, Chinese interests are NOT in the interest of other asian countries. at least in territory and politics and resource. so China's pursuit of these interests is going to make things worse for other asian countries overall. at least for awhile.

how do you keep harping on colonization. China will fight for territory it thinks is China's. so.....whats your point. its not AS bad as colonizing the whole country? maybe...not sure what you think that means though. US doesnt have a colony in Asia.

Guam, Hawaii. And unofficially Japan.

No country's interests are in the interests of all other Asian countries. And yes, China needs a lot of resources to feed 1.3 billion people - or let them die.

so...guam and hawaiian are what? south east asian now? since when?

Japan is a US colony? say thats true. as a colony they become high tech exporter and have a very high standard of living. China wants them Diaoyu Islands back. not to mention having territorial boundary issues. japanese choose china because its asian? riiiiight.

true, but US interest in Asia IS in the interest of many of the smaller asian countries that find themselves unfortunately facing China for the same thing. with America behind them its not as scary.

So that's why the US made Japan sign the plaza accord creating the Japanese economic decline?

THe US interests is to maintain domination in Asia, control economic policies, keep their military hegemony in the pacific, take resources, create division in Asia, maintain their soft power, and to suppress China from its full potential.

You are retarded if you think the US truly cares for us Yellow people. They are using us like pawns. One minute they bomb Japan, the next minute Japan is their best friend. You can't trust the US because their intentions aren't good and they are only loyal to the West. One minute you are their ally, the next their enemy. Look at Pakistan. India used to be a big enemy to America.

For the short term, the US might look good to other Asian nations. But they are using conflicts and divisons to their advantage. Anyone who gets in bed with the US for long enough faces horrendous consequences. Because the west will always stab us in the back. CHina used to be allies with the US against Japan. But the US took Chinese friendship for granted and now China is the "enemy".

The west can never be loyal to Asians. That's why we need only be allies with ourselves.

At least China knows that if war happens in Asia, they're fu-ked too. If China's neighbor suffers, China will suffer too - this is not the case for America.

Lets be serious about this. People are stupid and they buy into what they see on the Media.

Hollywood
White Hollywood has had their media out there the longest so they have had the biggest brain washing affect. The whole world to varying degrees is white washed - not just Asia. I'd say the white washing starts in Japan and fans its way out - please note that no country is forced to follow; girls are turning blond out of their free well. Last, there is a difference in wanting what white people have and wanting to be white.

India
About two decades back when Bollywood started making movies, many middle Eastern countries became big consumers because they didn't want to watch white media. Now, the image of India is very good in these countries because of their media. I don't know beyond what I've read so maybe an Indian person can give details on how the middle East's image of India is affected by Bollywood.


Korea
Since about 1997, Korea's media industry has boomed. Most of us know this, but think back. There are Zero reports of Korean's being handsome/pretty, k-pop being superior, etc... before 1997. It's not like the world was unaware of korea before 1997. Infact, the world focused on Korea way back in 1950(Korean war) but there were no reports of exceptionally beautiful people or a notable society. It wasn't until after 1997 when Korea began marketing their media; movies, drama & music to neighboring Asian countries that these complementary factoids began appearing.

The power of Media should not be under estimated.

you forgot to mention Japan's media influence with J-Porn lol

you are missing the point. has nothing to do with whether or not America is doing good, but if its worse than China.

you havent proved the US is going to sooner or later backstab them, yet.

at the end of the day, no matter what you say, here is reality. asian countries want the US to stick around because it helps balance out China. you havent proved that US is worse than China for their interest right now, and you havent proved China is better than the US for them in the future after everything is settled. yet.

Yeah, wait until we make a J-porn movie together.

Yes, I have proven it with FACTS.

Fact: US flipflops with Japan
Fact: US turned against Pakistan
Fact: US turned against China
Fact: US flipflops with Phillipines
Fact: US flipflops with Vietnam
Fact: US turned against Iraq and Saddam Hussein
Fact: US turned against Libya and Gaddafi
Fact: The US has nothing to lose if war broke out in Asia
Fact: The US has no LOYALTY. One minute you're their ally, the next their enemy.

More than 90% of what human think and do are subconscious-based. Does that mean most of what we do are because we want White to approve of?
Asians fighting among themselves could just means they simply dislike each other on a personal level and not so much on a social level.

I live in a predominately Asian city in California for the most part of my life and I have never once encounter Asians dissing each other for the so-called "honorary White status", subconsciously or not. I get what you're saying! Fortunately, it may just be a figment of someone's imagination or it could be the case for someone somewhere but I wouldn't say it's a large scale problem among Asians.

its not a fact until you actually list the real life events associated with the point.

even if the US had a history of flipping on the country for their interest, it still doesnt prove that they are better off with China. US has nothing to lose being so far from asia is also why they have nothing more to take. US has dominated Asia for the last decades and everyone is used to it. its the status quo and most asian country learn to live with it, even China (at least back then).

like even your asian examples (dont care about the others), US flipped on them in the past, but they still prefer US to balance China because they know China wants MORE than the US EVER would in Asia.

i can give you that you proved US flip flops/backstabs. but you definitely did not prove how China is better for asian country now or in the future while taking into full account what China's ambitions are. with the US, we have decades of evidence what it means to have US dominant. is it fantastic? not really. but it was tolerable.

China hasn't dominated Asia for hundreds and hundreds of years. So you can't say that Chinese domination is bad when so many things have changed.

And even when China dominated - it was the manchu's and mongols who expanded and dominated! Blame them!

And the US wants much more in Asia than CHina. Ever heard of the Opium wars? Or the Monroe Doctrine? The US has been trying to control Asia for years!

You are so brainwashed it makes me sick. Just go back to kissing White people's @$$. You probably wish HK was still Britians b!tch.

^ hasnt changed still you are good at avoiding things that you know is going to hurt your cause.

you do realize China is having disputes in pretty much all water that touches China right? thats not brainwashing. its reality. talking about Opium Wars isnt going to change that.

And bringing up petty water disputes doesn't change the fact that the US has been trying to finger Asia for a while.

And Taiwan is also claiming the Diaoyu and Spratly Islands. But no one blames them.

Even though a few Asian countries have maritine disputes with China, that still leaves 80% of Asia who are on good terms with China. Most of central Asia and the Middle-East are also on China's side.

what does that even mean 'finger Asia'

ok, lets says on the continent of Asia, there are more countries on China's side than US. i didnt actually count, but ill give it to you.

it still leaves basically the rest of east asia and south east asia. now i dont know what you meant by fingering asia, but US fingering isnt what they are concerned about right now. its China's aggressiveness for its claims. since you didnt clarify the fingering, i cant decide if you have proven RIGHT NOW, China is better for asian countries than the US.

move on to the future. what is US ambition in Asia? they already peaked in influence. meanwhile what are China's ambitions. explain to me why asian countries in these dispute will pick China over US knowing full well China wants what they claim.

go.

the reason asian countries prefer US over China is because the US doesn't want any of their territories. We aren't quite sure how far China really believes their borders lie. Maybe tomorrow they will say the Chinese fisherman have been sailing through the straits of Malacca for centuries and thus Singapore and Acah reqions belong to China

China's ambitions are to:

1. gain respect
2. acquire resources to feed their people (understable because it's about survival). Thus the Spratly Islands.
3. get US bases out of Asia
4. get back Taiwan

Those seem like very reasonable ambitions.

THe US's ambitions are to:

1. Maintain dominance in Asia
2. Access to Asian resources
3. expand military hegemony in Asia
4. Dictate Asian politics and economics. That's why the US crashed the ASEAN conferences and wants to be included in the SCO
5. Undermine China's growth and influence.
6. Maintain White superiority and worship

China has NEVER tried to expand beyond the Qing dynasty. If you want to blame anyone, blame the Manchus and Mongols for expanding China. History doesn't lie, China has a longer history of integrity than America.

LOL@chiuchimu

the part about the US wanting to join the SCO crack me up so much. they want to be included in everything. lol

China:

1. by bullying japan during trawler incident?
2. by fishing in korean and other countries waters? by being aggressive in south china sea?
3. how? attack them?
4. how? attack them?


US:
1. how?
2. like trade?
3. how?
4. how?
5. how? and why would other asian countries care?
6. how?


its all well and good to make broad statements, but without details there can be no real discussion. and the details would clearly show asian countries have less to fear from US than China. if you believe different, answer my questions.

Where do you get your news? No one was "bullying". That was a term coined by Western journalists to make China look bad. And since when is fishing a bad thing? So Chinese people can't fish near their ports? And what do you mean by being "agressive"?

Your questions for the US don't even make sense. How did they crash ASEAN? How is that a question. You KNOW they did. That's a FACT! You say they have no "territories" in Asia, yet they crash ASEAN.....



The US tried to crash the SCO too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Coop...on_Organisation

List of American military deployments in Asia:
South Korea – 28,500[2]
Japan – 32,803[2]
Philippines - 95[2]
Diego Garcia - 311[2]
Jakarta, Indonesia - 27[2]
Singapore – 125[2]
Thailand – 96[2]
Malaysia - 15[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...ary_deployments

US Military bases in Central Asia:
"The United States maintains two bases in Central Asia, one each in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, for its postwar operations in Afghanistan. A regional group led by Russia and China has pressured the United States to remove its forces from Central Asia. U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in response to recent political tension over the issue with leaders in both Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, traveled to Central Asia July 25 to discuss the U.S. military’s arrangements in the region. The United States says the bases are necessary for its efforts in Afghanistan and claims it does not intend to have a permanent presence in the region. "
^how convenient
http://www.cfr.org/kyrgyzstan/asia-us-mili...l-asia/p8440#p1

The US is DEFINITELY trying to expand and maintain military hegemoy in Asia to police it. They want to put their army in Vietnam, Taiwan, and any other country close to China. So they have WAY more expansionist agendas than China.

What more proof do you need? Military presence in a country is just de-facto Colonization without the historical ugliness. That way, the West can secretly keep tabs on Asia without looking like a monster.

Seriously? You trust a country that's in 4 wars (US) instead of a country with ZERO wars (China)?

Asians are so pathetic.

This is wrong. All other arguments aside - U.S. needs to get out of Asia.

More Asians agree with me midnightsun :P

like i said, you can play with words, but fact is China didnt budge and got its way over Japan in that incident. there was no compromise. pick w/e word you want.

chinese fisherman regularly go into the fishing waters that belong to other countries.

by aggressive i mean directly confronting other countries ships and saying the sea belongs to china. by aggressive i mean cutting other people's cables. be clear, im not saying China's claim is wrong, but you are willfully ignoring how China is pursuing its goals.



"You say they have no "territories" in Asia, yet they crash ASEAN....."

that makes no sense at all. are you saying ASEAN is a US territory? how did they crash ASEAN. ASEAN is still there. in fact, ASEAN is the one that have the MOST countries that have a problem with China right now.

LOL my questions make perfect sense. you assert they did something and give no examples. no details. you STILL didnt answer them.

zero wars?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Li...wars_and_events

US wars arent against asian countries right now. so its irrelevant. you have a list of US military around, so what? are they shooting the locals? why are you avoiding my calls for you to explain what you claimed?

ASEAN is ONLY for countries IN ASIA! How would the whiteys like it if CHina crashed an EU or NATO meeting?


And you gave me a wiki page for EVERY war china has been involved in throughout history. I'm talking about PRESENTLY. How many wars is CHina in RIGHT NOW?

I can give you a list of wars the US has been involved in throughout history but it would be too long - even though AMerica is only 300 yrs old.

You are completely missing the point and you're resorting to Straw Man tactics.

what do you mean crash? show up uninvited? i dont think the US did that.

actually that isnt even close to what i gave you. that was PLA conflicts. none. right now.

LOL 'only 300 years old'. you saved yourself there.


im not missing anything. here is the basic fact.


"China's ambitions are to:

1. gain respect
2. acquire resources to feed their people (understable because it's about survival). Thus the Spratly Islands.
3. get US bases out of Asia
4. get back Taiwan

Those seem like very reasonable ambitions.

THe US's ambitions are to:

1. Maintain dominance in Asia
2. Access to Asian resources
3. expand military hegemony in Asia
4. Dictate Asian politics and economics. That's why the US crashed the ASEAN conferences and wants to be included in the SCO
5. Undermine China's growth and influence.
6. Maintain White superiority and worship"

pretty much to ALL of those, my question was "HOW?". you replied with a big list of American military presence. thats what missing the point is. just answer "how" to the points you listed. if you try and tell me that list of military bases is how the US does all 6 of those things im going to face palm. and even if i accepted it, it doesnt address China's goals at all.


like seriously, if you want to make the claim China is better for asian countries than US, this is how you go about proving it. dont get fussy with me because i said 'how' to the huge list of broad statements you made.

Nope, one chiuchimu doesn't makes more Asian.

when i was working in oakland, a black man from Africa came into my shop and apologized for black men in america, he went out of his way to say "those stupid young men out there are not African, they are what they call themselves, ni***rs" its not like he wanted to buy anything, he just wanted to protect the reputation of Africans by saying African Americans are NOT representative of Africans. isn't this also a form of stepping over other groups within your own race to win some kind of approval?"

white people have done this throughout history also. there was heavy prejudges against for example the Irish. this happens whenever people are in a situation where they feel a confusion of their identity could negativity effect them, so they clarify in the most memorable and fast way, an insult through comparison.

this thread has nothing to do with the Asian race, it is more a problem of the Human race.

yea it's really insane what the US is doing.

meanwhile , the List of Chinese deployments in Latin America:
Canada- 0
Mexico- 0
Cuba- 0
Jamaica- 0
Guatemala- 0
Venezuela- 0
(goes on and on...)

the List of Chinese deployments in Asia:
Japan- 0
South Korea- 0
Taiwan- 0
Vietnam- 0
Philippines- 0
(goes on and on...)

the List of Chinese deployments in Europe:
Great Britain- 0
France- 0
Germany- 0
Poland- 0
Spain- 0
Italy- 0
(goes on and on...)

the list of Chinese deployments in....need i go on?

If you live in America or any colonized country with Western dominance it's time to talk about how to make our lives as Asians better. Maybe America is fleecing way too much money by deploying so much abroad. Maybe it's better that Korea and Japan pay up instead of receiving free military service. I know this sounds ludicrous due to the "hate filled" cloud of the OP's position and it's still very important to recognize and check Western Imperialism, but let's face it we need to help change the average Jewish/White person's perception of Asians in order to help ourselves. America is spending way too much on uselessness instead of helping its citizens regardless of race and this will improve perceptions and relations. A poor starving person that is angry is the perfect victim to absorb anti-ethnic propaganda. The OP obviously lives in the world where only him and his race matters, while that is important, he's deluded in thinking to the point where he can't rationalize and do what's best at the moment.

Study before you post.

Japan has to pay every year for the American military that's on Japanese soil - Free? lol. The worst thing about the situation is this military is NOT under Japanese control. No matter what the Japanese government says to this military, they will not move a finger until Washington tells them too. Worst case scenario, US- Japan relations crumple and U.S. sends these troops against Japan. They are already in Japan, they are the only real military force in Japan, there is nothing Japan can do about them. An unreal, unbelievable situation.

And Japan is paying millions and millions every year for this!


The U.S. is growing weak. We will be free from their influence within the decade. We will get them off our soil.