1. i can marry a Hmong christian with the same last name and her parents would let me because they are christians and the taboo custom of probiting marriage between same surnames only applies to traditional Hmong.

2. why do Hmong christians use the word "noj peb caug" as if it's a reference to "new year" when "noj peb caug" means "offering 30 plates of foods and wine to the ancestors? thanking them, venerating them and your (parents) as the ancestors, remember yourself that you are a descendant (family tree). Hence, noob (child/future descendants), tu cag tu ceg (often says when one forgotten the ways/teachings of his or her parents.)

3. even so, the traditional new year taken place outside at the ball park field refers to "tsav hau toj" refering "offering to dead hmong soldiers, leaders, kings, and so on..." it is only latter that the incorporation of bull fighting, ball tossing, singing becamse part of the event.

4. i don't have to pay bride price because in the christian faith, the girl has to pay for the wedding. why do hmong christian parents still demand the bride price?

5. you wear hmong clothes. hmong clothes, with all them symbols...... i hope you realized that in the Hmong culture, the Hmong hemp skirts, rice seeds and etc... came from the garden of Ntxooj Nyoog; Hmong Christian worst nightmare that they scream and blame everything on a deity that is not even part of Christianity.

Mixing Ntxooj Nyoog and Satan is a big no no. Both deities are from different religion. They have different functions.

[1. i can marry a Hmong christian with the same last name and her parents would let me because they are christians and the taboo custom of probiting marriage between same surnames only applies to traditional Hmong. ]

the taboo was there to prevent inbreeding. whole villages used to be made up of immediate family members. that's why they encouraged marrying from another village; the farther the better. but yea, nowadays we've grown so much that it shouldn't be a problem.

[3. even so, the traditional new year taken place outside at the ball park field refers to "tsav hau toj" refering "offering to dead hmong soldiers, leaders, kings, and so on..." it is only latter that the incorporation of bull fighting, ball tossing, singing becamse part of the event. ]

have you seen some of the videos from the other groups who don't do 'ball tossing'. when the big stuff is over with; the opening ceremony, bullfighting, competitions, they just literally do NOTHING. their celebration looks so dead and boring at that point. occasionally, someone will sing and they ALL gravitate to it cause they're so bored. im glad we picked up ball tossing. it encourages lots of people to mingle, to have something to do, to court, to sing.

[4. i don't have to pay bride price because in the christian faith, the girl has to pay for the wedding. why do hmong christian parents still demand the bride price? ]

easy money

Sorry,

Hmong Christians are two-faced. Majority of them don't even know what is Christianity.

Let face it, most Hmong Christians really don't know what it means to be a Christian, although many claims themselves to be one.

Don't blame them, it's not their fault for being ignorant, it's their parents and grand parents that spoon fed them to become the type of Christians they are.

are hmong protestant or catholic

ask kojtushavnim she is one of the hmong christian on here

Many so-called Hmong Christians do not even know what Christianity is. I call them pseudo-Christians.

This is why so many Hmong Christians often come back to shamanism. Once you know of a faith, you cannot simply drop it and return to an old faith. That's because many Hmong Christians only are Christians out of desperation for a greater healer rather than true faith.

If going to church doesn't heal an issue, they go back to Shamanism or whatever. The ultimate goal is to find a cure. Not a faith.

More like they're imbeciles. If they knew what Christianity and it's history is all about they would have never converted in the first place. Modern Hmong people convert because they're,

1. Lazy
2. White wash
3. Black wash
4. Hate themselves
5. loss, just want's to feel belong to a group
6. Traditions are an inconvenience, an eye sort, and are too ashamed to show their white neighbors their belief
7. They were scared or frightened into joining
8. They want to be Judas leading the blind sheeps themselves
9. And TOO MANY to add... You folks can fill in if you like.lol

I wouldn't say imbeciles, but just plain ignorance and being lost.

Actually, many first generation Hmong converted and NOT because #1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and 9. How dare you speak like that to our elders and parents? Do you really think they are "black" and "white" washed?

You are too quick to generalize against the Hmong christians. I used to be a Christian too and i do not fit any of your listed assumptions. >_>

Not necessary in order, of course... And yes, I dear speak like that to our parents and elders? Not because they were black or white wash at the time but missionaries have their missions and such missions underlines the importance of influencing a people through which ever means. Sometimes with force, freebies, and manipulation... Such freebies are the case of church or missionaries giving out free stuff and manipulations through the use of preaching and scare tactics. Pictures and illustrations works the best for the illiterate and uneducated people like our fore fathers. It's so easy to convince them, why do you think churches are sending missionaries to third world countries to spread their beliefs?

Same thing as back than when Christianity started. Let's convince people to convert because our religion is the best and the most effective and awarding. I had a dream that I will be losing a battle but if my troops and myself draw a red cross on our shields, we will win the battle. Poof, next battle, we do it and we win.

Side note, I don't think all Hmong Christians are just Christians by name but some practice it well. On another side note, it seems that whenever I have talked to or heard someone talk to a Hmong Christian, it always seems like they are preaching and feel like they are more superior..

Yeh, usually get the vibe from them that says they're better than others. Even within their own family, they choose their religion over their own family members and distancing themselves too.

Are you the same person who brought up the same questions just a few weeks ago? If so, didn't you get enough answers already? I think you just want to start problems. I smell hate from you. You either have very little understanding or you're making this up, and it's probably the latter because I'm not familiar with the things you listed, honestly. So, can you back your claims up because I really don't know where you go them from.. Maybe just from one family who is Christian?



It sounds to me you know it too well. Why don't you tell me what Christianity is. I'm curious how much you actually know. It seems to me from your list, you know less than those who claim to be Christian.

You should enlighten us what Christianity is and how it come to being.

Most of these are true, but they could just be in it for the community.

#4 is extremely dangerous for the young people when they are listening to a speech from some "doctor" putting Hmong people down with their "progressive" thinking. You know what I mean if you've been to church. Those Judas are planting a seed of destruction into the younger generation's mind. lol

first there was: hmoob coj dab
then there was: hmoob lawb dab
and now theres: hmoob poj koob yawm ntxwd

anyways, their flag that isnt a flag is kinda creeping me out and that moon just screams islam.

also, where did those guys in all white get their outfits...the muslim second hand store? lol at the clown hats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WqN4lCGTU

that b!tch is crazy, do she not understand the concept of dowry, yup that religion won't succeed well enough unless they advertise and lure vulnerable people in, i do agree with some aspects of what people in the vid say, but they got some crazy stuff in there to, i can't watch the whole thing, once again hmong people break each other up for religion

Holy krap! So we've finally got a new group. It's ok to have your own believes and practices but establishing a flag, that's disturbing and dangerous. What have Hmong become? This is why Hmong people are so hopeless. Should stop dwelling in religion, pursue self preservation, and knowledge to build a better future. Maybe then someday, hmong people can rise to top with their own nation.

this religion Poj Koob Yawm Ntxwd is like Falun Gong, just a hmong version. Most of the OG in there r just following and they dont know $hit, easy way to get members and they just drag their family into it. I bet they will collect the bride fee too. That Stacy women dont know nothing about the hmong culture at all.

One of my uncles is a founder of Poj Koob Yawm Ntxwv and I used to work in very close proximity to one of their centers. The place is always busy with people on the weekends. I don't know much about it but have seen their altar, and saub. It is quite interesting new religion. The founders have been on very long spiritual journeys while trying to understand Hmong way of life and at a glance, it seems like a blend of traditional Hmong spiritual practices and practices taken from Abrahamic religions we've become familiar with. It kinda does make sense if you're one to follow a faith or religion while retaining Hmong identity and living a Hmong way of life in times like today when traditional Shamanic Hmong families are falling with all these new complications to their ancestor worship rituals.

However, I'm no religious man so it's not for me.

Looks like church to me. Soon they're gonna have some kindda prophet leading them to war. lol jk