In your opinion, are koreans fine or a bit lacking in the diplomacy arena?
A current google, will show Korea engaging in diplomacy with the US (recently on the FTA car thing, which is a massive fail. Fair trade NOT Free Trade is best for economy, Koreans are also force fed to accept less than what Koreans standards are with smog and pollution levels with the American cars.)
Despite the deal between Mongolia and Japan on nuclear waste storage falling through you still see Japan there actively working with the government to benefit both countries ie resources, development,labor,profit etc
Heck theres even Mongolians hiring NorthKoreans to make Scottish knitwear lol
but no South Koreans working with Mongolia formally yet? Are we thaaat slow and kpop brain filled?
(While there are some korean missionaries in Mongolia setting up community centers, its not on a national level or large corporation level.)
Resource,labor, development,international relations! Comon South Korea.
Look at China, they know how to be pragmatic and know when its advantageous and boldly go after it. Theyre working well with Russia and theyre developing in Africa. There are Africans learning Chinese lol
Mongolia to spend 1B on roads and rail
Sometimes, I think Skorea lacks a center. We are a divided nation and our personalities are also bi-polar and split. The SKorean part too easily and readily sells its soul. North Korean Juche is too extreme but has specific points that are good for a nation and a people, namely not selling out your cultural heritage and tradition too much.
Example. North Koreans know that a nations language is directly tied to your culture and heritage as a people. (EU nations like france and germany have government level organizations that monitor the amount of foreign words that enter the nation too pervasively and keep it at a designated minimum %) They replaced sino words and of course no english words but purely Korean words (anthropologists tell you that history has shown this to be the most effective way to retain a language)
In contrast, South Koreans find it cooler to speak english replacing their own words with english words written out phonetically with hangul. Anthropologists will also tell you this pattern is the MAIN REASON that some cultures after 100,200,300 years eventually experience a form of ''LANGUAGE DEATH''. Your language and who you are uniquely as a nation and people ..are gone.
This is and what has happened to the Jejudo dialect and words on a smaller scale example.
The amount of english invading korean language is vast, rapid and absolutely ridiculous. call it a rapage.
NKoreans obviously need to follow some general capitalism either on a Chinese style model or Skorean but South Korea needs to learn to rein it in a little. Otherwise, the two sides are too differnet and split.
So SouthKorea..it may help to STOP BEING AMERICAN SELLOUT/WANNABES to such MAJOR MONSTROUS DEGREES AND CHILL OUT A BIT YEA?
and even if your forced to be US allies FOR THE TIME BEING, IT DOESNT STOP YOU FROM DEVELOPING RELATIONS WITH OTHER NATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS TO BALANCE THAT PLAY OUT. Namely Mongolia and Russia (Koreans already work with China)
All that Starcraft and like...ZERO APPLICATION IN PRACTICAL TACTICS..Sigh....
too much kpop, too much drooling at american words, while everyone else is winning the REAL LIFE SC BATTLE GOING ON.
Full Version: Koreans , Diplomacy and Political Strategy
Why do you particularly mention Mongolia and Russia? Do you think SK sits back only looking at the US just because you think SK doesn't have the level of ties you want with those two countries? There are many countries in the world. Your argument seems incoherently all over the place with random thoughts. I'm pretty sure Korean political leaders do not play Starcraft or follow pop music. 
The FTA with the US is a mixed bag. You can't make everything favorable to you like in any huge negotiation. It is an art of making tedious compromises. Some Korean industries will be disadvantaged while other sectors will enjoy benefits. You can focus on any particular line of the agreement but what the leaders care is the macroscopic outcome and then they consider how to make up for those individuals put at a disadvantage by adjusting domestic policies. We get tons of different ideas from economists. Have you decided it is a failure?
SK hosts the largest number of overseas Mongolian workers and SK is Mongolia's second biggest FDI country after China. Koreans are mostly operating small private businesses in service industries in Mongolia rather than national-level investment or corporate projects in the field of natural resources and mining. This has been clearly pointed out by Korean experts. Don't worry. They are not too "K-pop-filled" or too busy playing SC2 to notice such rudimentary situations lol
It is true Koreans use more English words than necessary. I have no problem with calling computer 컴퓨터 or bus 버스. It is practical and does not change anything in the "linguistic heritage". However, whenever there are perfectly appropriate Korean words, they should use it over English transliterated equivalents. Korea is too big and established to experience a form of "language death" though. Every Korean kid goes through systematic Korean language education for many years. Try to count the number of English words that have good Korean equivalents from random 10 news articles that use the formal language. They are very few unless the article is about fashion and such.
The FTA with the US is a mixed bag. You can't make everything favorable to you like in any huge negotiation. It is an art of making tedious compromises. Some Korean industries will be disadvantaged while other sectors will enjoy benefits. You can focus on any particular line of the agreement but what the leaders care is the macroscopic outcome and then they consider how to make up for those individuals put at a disadvantage by adjusting domestic policies. We get tons of different ideas from economists. Have you decided it is a failure?
SK hosts the largest number of overseas Mongolian workers and SK is Mongolia's second biggest FDI country after China. Koreans are mostly operating small private businesses in service industries in Mongolia rather than national-level investment or corporate projects in the field of natural resources and mining. This has been clearly pointed out by Korean experts. Don't worry. They are not too "K-pop-filled" or too busy playing SC2 to notice such rudimentary situations lol
It is true Koreans use more English words than necessary. I have no problem with calling computer 컴퓨터 or bus 버스. It is practical and does not change anything in the "linguistic heritage". However, whenever there are perfectly appropriate Korean words, they should use it over English transliterated equivalents. Korea is too big and established to experience a form of "language death" though. Every Korean kid goes through systematic Korean language education for many years. Try to count the number of English words that have good Korean equivalents from random 10 news articles that use the formal language. They are very few unless the article is about fashion and such.
QUOTE (doggyji @ Oct 16 2011, 07:30 PM) 
Why do you particularly mention Mongolia and Russia?
I think hes suggesting the political hegemony positioning thats beneficial for korea. Japanese already recognize these things,
sort of how China is manuevering in Pakistan Tibet, Uygher territory.
What better way to get out from the China/NK SK/US deadlock than to look around third party/other methodologies?
Its not new news, Empress Myeongseong thought a similar thing to try with Russia before it went bad.
QUOTE (doggyji @ Oct 16 2011, 07:30 PM)
SK hosts the largest number of overseas Mongolian workers and SK is Mongolia's second biggest FDI country after China. Koreans are mostly operating small private businesses in service industries in Mongolia rather than national-level investment or corporate projects in the field of natural resources and mining. This has been clearly pointed out by Korean experts. Don't worry. They are not too "K-pop-filled" or too busy playing SC2 to notice such rudimentary situations lol
Hopefully it will get to that national level of investment because thats where it sort of really matters?
QUOTE (doggyji @ Oct 16 2011, 07:30 PM)
It is true Koreans use more English words than necessary. I have no problem with calling computer 컴퓨터 or bus 버스. It is practical and does not change anything in the "linguistic heritage". However, whenever there are perfectly appropriate Korean words, they should use it over English transliterated equivalents. Korea is too big and established to experience a form of "language death" though. Every Korean kid goes through systematic Korean language education for many years. Try to count the number of English words that have good Korean equivalents from random 10 news articles that use the formal language. They are very few unless the article is about fashion and such.
they should tone it down though, its too apparent they admire people that are fluent in english.its on tv every single day. no need to brown-nose english, korean language is much richer and expresses korean spirit most perfectly. I go to websites and try to shop and i see ordinary things like i.e.'blanket' written out phonetically in hangul rather than 'eebul'. I mean, really?? Ughhhh
QUOTE (Aveolaris @ Oct 16 2011, 08:58 AM)
In your opinion, are koreans fine or a bit lacking in the diplomacy arena?
A current google, will show Korea engaging in diplomacy with the US (recently on the FTA car thing, which is a massive fail. Fair trade NOT Free Trade is best for economy, Koreans are also force fed to accept less than what Koreans standards are with smog and pollution levels with the American cars.)
Despite the deal between Mongolia and Japan on nuclear waste storage falling through you still see Japan there actively working with the government to benefit both countries ie resources, development,labor,profit etc
Heck theres even Mongolians hiring NorthKoreans to make Scottish knitwear lol
but no South Koreans working with Mongolia formally yet? Are we thaaat slow and kpop brain filled?
(While there are some korean missionaries in Mongolia setting up community centers, its not on a national level or large corporation level.)
Resource,labor, development,international relations! Comon South Korea.
Look at China, they know how to be pragmatic and know when its advantageous and boldly go after it. Theyre working well with Russia and theyre developing in Africa. There are Africans learning Chinese lol
Mongolia to spend 1B on roads and rail
Sometimes, I think Skorea lacks a center. We are a divided nation and our personalities are also bi-polar and split. The SKorean part too easily and readily sells its soul. North Korean Juche is too extreme but has specific points that are good for a nation and a people, namely not selling out your cultural heritage and tradition too much.
Example. North Koreans know that a nations language is directly tied to your culture and heritage as a people. (EU nations like france and germany have government level organizations that monitor the amount of foreign words that enter the nation too pervasively and keep it at a designated minimum %) They replaced sino words and of course no english words but purely Korean words (anthropologists tell you that history has shown this to be the most effective way to retain a language)
In contrast, South Koreans find it cooler to speak english replacing their own words with english words written out phonetically with hangul. Anthropologists will also tell you this pattern is the MAIN REASON that some cultures after 100,200,300 years eventually experience a form of ''LANGUAGE DEATH''. Your language and who you are uniquely as a nation and people ..are gone.
This is and what has happened to the Jejudo dialect and words on a smaller scale example.
The amount of english invading korean language is vast, rapid and absolutely ridiculous. call it a rapage.
NKoreans obviously need to follow some general capitalism either on a Chinese style model or Skorean but South Korea needs to learn to rein it in a little. Otherwise, the two sides are too differnet and split.
So SouthKorea..it may help to STOP BEING AMERICAN SELLOUT/WANNABES to such MAJOR MONSTROUS DEGREES AND CHILL OUT A BIT YEA?
and even if your forced to be US allies FOR THE TIME BEING, IT DOESNT STOP YOU FROM DEVELOPING RELATIONS WITH OTHER NATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS TO BALANCE THAT PLAY OUT. Namely Mongolia and Russia (Koreans already work with China)
All that Starcraft and like...ZERO APPLICATION IN PRACTICAL TACTICS..Sigh....
too much kpop, too much drooling at american words, while everyone else is winning the REAL LIFE SC BATTLE GOING ON.
A current google, will show Korea engaging in diplomacy with the US (recently on the FTA car thing, which is a massive fail. Fair trade NOT Free Trade is best for economy, Koreans are also force fed to accept less than what Koreans standards are with smog and pollution levels with the American cars.)
Despite the deal between Mongolia and Japan on nuclear waste storage falling through you still see Japan there actively working with the government to benefit both countries ie resources, development,labor,profit etc
Heck theres even Mongolians hiring NorthKoreans to make Scottish knitwear lol
but no South Koreans working with Mongolia formally yet? Are we thaaat slow and kpop brain filled?
(While there are some korean missionaries in Mongolia setting up community centers, its not on a national level or large corporation level.)
Resource,labor, development,international relations! Comon South Korea.
Look at China, they know how to be pragmatic and know when its advantageous and boldly go after it. Theyre working well with Russia and theyre developing in Africa. There are Africans learning Chinese lol
Mongolia to spend 1B on roads and rail
Sometimes, I think Skorea lacks a center. We are a divided nation and our personalities are also bi-polar and split. The SKorean part too easily and readily sells its soul. North Korean Juche is too extreme but has specific points that are good for a nation and a people, namely not selling out your cultural heritage and tradition too much.
Example. North Koreans know that a nations language is directly tied to your culture and heritage as a people. (EU nations like france and germany have government level organizations that monitor the amount of foreign words that enter the nation too pervasively and keep it at a designated minimum %) They replaced sino words and of course no english words but purely Korean words (anthropologists tell you that history has shown this to be the most effective way to retain a language)
In contrast, South Koreans find it cooler to speak english replacing their own words with english words written out phonetically with hangul. Anthropologists will also tell you this pattern is the MAIN REASON that some cultures after 100,200,300 years eventually experience a form of ''LANGUAGE DEATH''. Your language and who you are uniquely as a nation and people ..are gone.
This is and what has happened to the Jejudo dialect and words on a smaller scale example.
The amount of english invading korean language is vast, rapid and absolutely ridiculous. call it a rapage.
NKoreans obviously need to follow some general capitalism either on a Chinese style model or Skorean but South Korea needs to learn to rein it in a little. Otherwise, the two sides are too differnet and split.
So SouthKorea..it may help to STOP BEING AMERICAN SELLOUT/WANNABES to such MAJOR MONSTROUS DEGREES AND CHILL OUT A BIT YEA?
and even if your forced to be US allies FOR THE TIME BEING, IT DOESNT STOP YOU FROM DEVELOPING RELATIONS WITH OTHER NATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS TO BALANCE THAT PLAY OUT. Namely Mongolia and Russia (Koreans already work with China)
All that Starcraft and like...ZERO APPLICATION IN PRACTICAL TACTICS..Sigh....
too much kpop, too much drooling at american words, while everyone else is winning the REAL LIFE SC BATTLE GOING ON.
don't worry too much. life is too short about worrying about the sad things in life.
actually k-pop
is just the military controlled culture industry designed for South Korea. K-Pop is poison to the mind and
those who get sucked in can never get out of the false reality that South Korea does not have their own individual culture. But a culture that is borrowed from the Anglo-Holy-wood empire.
is just the military controlled culture industry designed for South Korea. K-Pop is poison to the mind and
those who get sucked in can never get out of the false reality that South Korea does not have their own individual culture. But a culture that is borrowed from the Anglo-Holy-wood empire.
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