For Zubaida Bibi, a Christian woman working in a garment factory in the Korangi Industrial Area of Karachi, Pakistan, the workday on October 12 at Crescent Enterprises probably began like most. Her job as a custodian helped make it possible for her to care for her children. But before her shift was over, a Muslim worker at the factory attempted to rape her, and then slit her throat, leaving four orphans without a mother to care for them. And the case of Zubaida Bibi is far from unique: In Pakistan, the phenomena of Islamic men raping Christian women is becoming more common.
An October 18 story for PakistanChristianPost.com relates some of the details of the tragic death of Zubaida Bibi:
On October 12, 2011, during duty hours, Zubaida Bibi entered to clean factory bathrooms when one Muslim employee named Mohammad Asif followed her and locked door behind him.
When Mohammad Asif attempted to sexually assault Zubaida Bibi, she cried for help on which Mohammad Asif took out a dagger and slit the throat of Zubaida Bibi.
The factory management called police help and Mohammad Asif was arrested on crime scene where throat cut dead body of Zubaida Bibi was lying on floor.
One might want to imagine that the case of Zubaida Bibi was isolated, or that the assault and murder of this woman had nothing to do with the religious beliefs of the alleged murderer and his victim. However, the truth is that in Islamic societies such as Pakistan, it is not at all uncommon for Muslims to get away without punishment for raping Christian women.
The situation in Pakistan has reached the point that at Persecution.org, a website for International Christian Concern, it was noted in an article for October 4:
Many Christian girls are raped at the hands of Muslims in Pakistan. Rape has been used as a weapon of persecution against Christian girls in Pakistan, a country where Christians are treated as third-class citizens. In the Muslim majority country, Christian girls are particularly vulnerable to these types of crimes because Muslim authorities are reluctant to protect them when their rights are violated by Muslims.
According to Compass Direct News, a Christian mother of five said that she was raped by two Pakistani Muslims on September 15th. In January, Muhammad Aftab was arrested after raping six Christian girls at different times.
The president of the Pakistan Christian Congress, Dr. Nazir Bhatti, told us, “The incidents of rape and enforced conversion of Christian women to Islam is rising every year. 99.9% of rape cases go unreported in Pakistan… If a Muslim man rapes a Christian girl, then he easily forces her to convert to Islam, marries her and covers up his heinous crime of rape under Islamic law. Some cases of rapes of Christian women are reported, but the majority of such rapes are never reported.”
The Pakistan Christian Post article regarding Zubaida Bibi made essentially the same observation:
There are rising incidents of sexual harassment against Christian women workers on workplaces in Pakistan which go unreported due to cultural and social values. The influential Muslims feel free to kidnap and rape Christian women in Pakistan where Islamic laws protect culprits. In kidnap and rape cases against Christian women, the Muslim culprits walk free from courts which keep victims silent on such abuses.
A report from the Barnabas Fund was released in September, detailing the widespread problem in Pakistani society of Muslim men kidnapping Christian girls and forcing them to marry the very men who abducted them. According to the report, the horrifying tragedy of such a crime is played out hundreds of times every year in Pakistan:
The abduction and forced conversion to Islam of Christian girls who are then married against their will to their captors is a disturbing and growing trend in Pakistan; it is estimated that there are over 700 cases every year. …
The forced conversions and marriages are often carried out by influential Muslim families who threaten and severely beat the young girls to frighten them into compliance, as seemingly happened in the case of Farah Hatim. The authorities rarely take action, and often the young girls never return to their families unless they manage to escape their captors. The girls are often raped and become pregnant, making it almost impossible for the courts to release them.
One father was told by police to “forget his daughters” after the two Christian sisters were abducted, raped and forcibly converted in Faisalabad in May.
Even when a captive does manage to escape, it is by no means the end of her suffering. If a woman leaves her new Muslim family and Islam to return to her Christian background, she is considered an apostate — even though she was forcibly converted — and is therefore liable to be killed.
Such widespread and systematic criminal activity nevertheless remains virtually unknown outside the Muslim world, and attempts to highlight the tragic plight of Christians living under Islam is often dismissed out of hand. However, such crimes — and the attitudes which make them possible — are hardly isolated to Pakistani society; just last year, a controversy erupted in the United Kingdom when a guest on a show for the Islam Channel allegedly advocated marital rape. An observer may reasonably ask: Is it really difficult to believe that if a husband is permitted to rape his wife, is it really difficult to justify the use of such a crime as a means of converting a woman to Islam?
The horrifying case of the murder of Zubaida Bibi is made all the more terrifying by the commonality of the crime which motivated it. Foreign intervention cannot bring about a change in a society which is so fundamentally influenced by a religion which justifies such crimes; but for those who do not yet live under Islam, Bibi’s death is a powerful reminder that the religion embraced by an individual — or a society — shapes the entire lives of those who adhere to that religion.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainme...ersion-to-islam
Full Version: Rape as a Tool for Conversion to Islam
QUOTE (myolinewu @ Oct 21 2011, 09:02 PM) 
For Zubaida Bibi, a Christian woman working in a garment factory in the Korangi Industrial Area of Karachi, Pakistan, the workday on October 12 at Crescent Enterprises probably began like most. Her job as a custodian helped make it possible for her to care for her children. But before her shift was over, a Muslim worker at the factory attempted to rape her, and then slit her throat, leaving four orphans without a mother to care for them. And the case of Zubaida Bibi is far from unique: In Pakistan, the phenomena of Islamic men raping Christian women is becoming more common.
An October 18 story for PakistanChristianPost.com relates some of the details of the tragic death of Zubaida Bibi:
On October 12, 2011, during duty hours, Zubaida Bibi entered to clean factory bathrooms when one Muslim employee named Mohammad Asif followed her and locked door behind him.
When Mohammad Asif attempted to sexually assault Zubaida Bibi, she cried for help on which Mohammad Asif took out a dagger and slit the throat of Zubaida Bibi.
The factory management called police help and Mohammad Asif was arrested on crime scene where throat cut dead body of Zubaida Bibi was lying on floor.
One might want to imagine that the case of Zubaida Bibi was isolated, or that the assault and murder of this woman had nothing to do with the religious beliefs of the alleged murderer and his victim. However, the truth is that in Islamic societies such as Pakistan, it is not at all uncommon for Muslims to get away without punishment for raping Christian women.
The situation in Pakistan has reached the point that at Persecution.org, a website for International Christian Concern, it was noted in an article for October 4:
Many Christian girls are raped at the hands of Muslims in Pakistan. Rape has been used as a weapon of persecution against Christian girls in Pakistan, a country where Christians are treated as third-class citizens. In the Muslim majority country, Christian girls are particularly vulnerable to these types of crimes because Muslim authorities are reluctant to protect them when their rights are violated by Muslims.
According to Compass Direct News, a Christian mother of five said that she was raped by two Pakistani Muslims on September 15th. In January, Muhammad Aftab was arrested after raping six Christian girls at different times.
The president of the Pakistan Christian Congress, Dr. Nazir Bhatti, told us, “The incidents of rape and enforced conversion of Christian women to Islam is rising every year. 99.9% of rape cases go unreported in Pakistan… If a Muslim man rapes a Christian girl, then he easily forces her to convert to Islam, marries her and covers up his heinous crime of rape under Islamic law. Some cases of rapes of Christian women are reported, but the majority of such rapes are never reported.”
The Pakistan Christian Post article regarding Zubaida Bibi made essentially the same observation:
There are rising incidents of sexual harassment against Christian women workers on workplaces in Pakistan which go unreported due to cultural and social values. The influential Muslims feel free to kidnap and rape Christian women in Pakistan where Islamic laws protect culprits. In kidnap and rape cases against Christian women, the Muslim culprits walk free from courts which keep victims silent on such abuses.
A report from the Barnabas Fund was released in September, detailing the widespread problem in Pakistani society of Muslim men kidnapping Christian girls and forcing them to marry the very men who abducted them. According to the report, the horrifying tragedy of such a crime is played out hundreds of times every year in Pakistan:
The abduction and forced conversion to Islam of Christian girls who are then married against their will to their captors is a disturbing and growing trend in Pakistan; it is estimated that there are over 700 cases every year. …
The forced conversions and marriages are often carried out by influential Muslim families who threaten and severely beat the young girls to frighten them into compliance, as seemingly happened in the case of Farah Hatim. The authorities rarely take action, and often the young girls never return to their families unless they manage to escape their captors. The girls are often raped and become pregnant, making it almost impossible for the courts to release them.
One father was told by police to “forget his daughters” after the two Christian sisters were abducted, raped and forcibly converted in Faisalabad in May.
Even when a captive does manage to escape, it is by no means the end of her suffering. If a woman leaves her new Muslim family and Islam to return to her Christian background, she is considered an apostate — even though she was forcibly converted — and is therefore liable to be killed.
Such widespread and systematic criminal activity nevertheless remains virtually unknown outside the Muslim world, and attempts to highlight the tragic plight of Christians living under Islam is often dismissed out of hand. However, such crimes — and the attitudes which make them possible — are hardly isolated to Pakistani society; just last year, a controversy erupted in the United Kingdom when a guest on a show for the Islam Channel allegedly advocated marital rape. An observer may reasonably ask: Is it really difficult to believe that if a husband is permitted to rape his wife, is it really difficult to justify the use of such a crime as a means of converting a woman to Islam?
The horrifying case of the murder of Zubaida Bibi is made all the more terrifying by the commonality of the crime which motivated it. Foreign intervention cannot bring about a change in a society which is so fundamentally influenced by a religion which justifies such crimes; but for those who do not yet live under Islam, Bibi’s death is a powerful reminder that the religion embraced by an individual — or a society — shapes the entire lives of those who adhere to that religion.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainme...ersion-to-islam
Dear myolinewu,An October 18 story for PakistanChristianPost.com relates some of the details of the tragic death of Zubaida Bibi:
On October 12, 2011, during duty hours, Zubaida Bibi entered to clean factory bathrooms when one Muslim employee named Mohammad Asif followed her and locked door behind him.
When Mohammad Asif attempted to sexually assault Zubaida Bibi, she cried for help on which Mohammad Asif took out a dagger and slit the throat of Zubaida Bibi.
The factory management called police help and Mohammad Asif was arrested on crime scene where throat cut dead body of Zubaida Bibi was lying on floor.
One might want to imagine that the case of Zubaida Bibi was isolated, or that the assault and murder of this woman had nothing to do with the religious beliefs of the alleged murderer and his victim. However, the truth is that in Islamic societies such as Pakistan, it is not at all uncommon for Muslims to get away without punishment for raping Christian women.
The situation in Pakistan has reached the point that at Persecution.org, a website for International Christian Concern, it was noted in an article for October 4:
Many Christian girls are raped at the hands of Muslims in Pakistan. Rape has been used as a weapon of persecution against Christian girls in Pakistan, a country where Christians are treated as third-class citizens. In the Muslim majority country, Christian girls are particularly vulnerable to these types of crimes because Muslim authorities are reluctant to protect them when their rights are violated by Muslims.
According to Compass Direct News, a Christian mother of five said that she was raped by two Pakistani Muslims on September 15th. In January, Muhammad Aftab was arrested after raping six Christian girls at different times.
The president of the Pakistan Christian Congress, Dr. Nazir Bhatti, told us, “The incidents of rape and enforced conversion of Christian women to Islam is rising every year. 99.9% of rape cases go unreported in Pakistan… If a Muslim man rapes a Christian girl, then he easily forces her to convert to Islam, marries her and covers up his heinous crime of rape under Islamic law. Some cases of rapes of Christian women are reported, but the majority of such rapes are never reported.”
The Pakistan Christian Post article regarding Zubaida Bibi made essentially the same observation:
There are rising incidents of sexual harassment against Christian women workers on workplaces in Pakistan which go unreported due to cultural and social values. The influential Muslims feel free to kidnap and rape Christian women in Pakistan where Islamic laws protect culprits. In kidnap and rape cases against Christian women, the Muslim culprits walk free from courts which keep victims silent on such abuses.
A report from the Barnabas Fund was released in September, detailing the widespread problem in Pakistani society of Muslim men kidnapping Christian girls and forcing them to marry the very men who abducted them. According to the report, the horrifying tragedy of such a crime is played out hundreds of times every year in Pakistan:
The abduction and forced conversion to Islam of Christian girls who are then married against their will to their captors is a disturbing and growing trend in Pakistan; it is estimated that there are over 700 cases every year. …
The forced conversions and marriages are often carried out by influential Muslim families who threaten and severely beat the young girls to frighten them into compliance, as seemingly happened in the case of Farah Hatim. The authorities rarely take action, and often the young girls never return to their families unless they manage to escape their captors. The girls are often raped and become pregnant, making it almost impossible for the courts to release them.
One father was told by police to “forget his daughters” after the two Christian sisters were abducted, raped and forcibly converted in Faisalabad in May.
Even when a captive does manage to escape, it is by no means the end of her suffering. If a woman leaves her new Muslim family and Islam to return to her Christian background, she is considered an apostate — even though she was forcibly converted — and is therefore liable to be killed.
Such widespread and systematic criminal activity nevertheless remains virtually unknown outside the Muslim world, and attempts to highlight the tragic plight of Christians living under Islam is often dismissed out of hand. However, such crimes — and the attitudes which make them possible — are hardly isolated to Pakistani society; just last year, a controversy erupted in the United Kingdom when a guest on a show for the Islam Channel allegedly advocated marital rape. An observer may reasonably ask: Is it really difficult to believe that if a husband is permitted to rape his wife, is it really difficult to justify the use of such a crime as a means of converting a woman to Islam?
The horrifying case of the murder of Zubaida Bibi is made all the more terrifying by the commonality of the crime which motivated it. Foreign intervention cannot bring about a change in a society which is so fundamentally influenced by a religion which justifies such crimes; but for those who do not yet live under Islam, Bibi’s death is a powerful reminder that the religion embraced by an individual — or a society — shapes the entire lives of those who adhere to that religion.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainme...ersion-to-islam
- Tangawizi would have us believe that the ordinary Muslims are not as described above. It is but a smear campaign.
- Avisitor would definitely insist that, you myolinewu are just finding fault and are terribly ignorant about Islam.
- And of course Gentlewind will no doubt opine that you myolinewu are just finding article to support your view.
What these three terribly enlightened not to mention clever and cerebral 'gurus' seem to pretend to overlook as always that this is a news report of events that are taking place under Sharia laws in a typical Islamic country. Your stance or view is therefore has little bearing or quite irrelevant. But who are we to argue with these profoundly clever and totally unbiased sages? Perish the thought!
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 22 2011, 08:21 AM)
Dear myolinewu,
- Tangawizi would have us believe that the ordinary Muslims are not as described above. It is but a smear campaign.
- Avisitor would definitely insist that, you myolinewu are just finding fault and are terribly ignorant about Islam.
- And of course Gentlewind will no doubt opine that you myolinewu are just finding article to support your view.
What these three terribly enlightened not to mention clever and cerebral 'gurus' seem to pretend to overlook as always that this is a news report of events that are taking place under Sharia laws in a typical Islamic country. Your stance or view is therefore has little bearing or quite irrelevant. But who are we to argue with these profoundly clever and totally unbiased sages? Perish the thought!
- Tangawizi would have us believe that the ordinary Muslims are not as described above. It is but a smear campaign.
- Avisitor would definitely insist that, you myolinewu are just finding fault and are terribly ignorant about Islam.
- And of course Gentlewind will no doubt opine that you myolinewu are just finding article to support your view.
What these three terribly enlightened not to mention clever and cerebral 'gurus' seem to pretend to overlook as always that this is a news report of events that are taking place under Sharia laws in a typical Islamic country. Your stance or view is therefore has little bearing or quite irrelevant. But who are we to argue with these profoundly clever and totally unbiased sages? Perish the thought!
Chutzpah, All this delusion is born out of IGNORANCE and half truths.
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 22 2011, 10:21 AM)
Dear myolinewu,
- Tangawizi would have us believe that the ordinary Muslims are not as described above. It is but a smear campaign.
- Avisitor would definitely insist that, you myolinewu are just finding fault and are terribly ignorant about Islam.
- And of course Gentlewind will no doubt opine that you myolinewu are just finding article to support your view.
What these three terribly enlightened not to mention clever and cerebral 'gurus' seem to pretend to overlook as always that this is a news report of events that are taking place under Sharia laws in a typical Islamic country. Your stance or view is therefore has little bearing or quite irrelevant. But who are we to argue with these profoundly clever and totally unbiased sages? Perish the thought!
- Tangawizi would have us believe that the ordinary Muslims are not as described above. It is but a smear campaign.
- Avisitor would definitely insist that, you myolinewu are just finding fault and are terribly ignorant about Islam.
- And of course Gentlewind will no doubt opine that you myolinewu are just finding article to support your view.
What these three terribly enlightened not to mention clever and cerebral 'gurus' seem to pretend to overlook as always that this is a news report of events that are taking place under Sharia laws in a typical Islamic country. Your stance or view is therefore has little bearing or quite irrelevant. But who are we to argue with these profoundly clever and totally unbiased sages? Perish the thought!
Oh no, Chutzpah, you figured it all wrong. No one is any guru here....
I just think you are on a campaign to smear your own Faith.
What you don't realise is that all this campaign to smear another rival Faith is backfiring.
We just think you are as intolerant as these mullahs and mobs in fundamentalist cliques. And there's obviously more like you lurking on this forum...
sad story 
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 22 2011, 03:21 AM)
Dear myolinewu,
- Tangawizi would have us believe that the ordinary Muslims are not as described above. It is but a smear campaign.
- Avisitor would definitely insist that, you myolinewu are just finding fault and are terribly ignorant about Islam.
- And of course Gentlewind will no doubt opine that you myolinewu are just finding article to support your view.
What these three terribly enlightened not to mention clever and cerebral 'gurus' seem to pretend to overlook as always that this is a news report of events that are taking place under Sharia laws in a typical Islamic country. Your stance or view is therefore has little bearing or quite irrelevant. But who are we to argue with these profoundly clever and totally unbiased sages? Perish the thought!
- Tangawizi would have us believe that the ordinary Muslims are not as described above. It is but a smear campaign.
- Avisitor would definitely insist that, you myolinewu are just finding fault and are terribly ignorant about Islam.
- And of course Gentlewind will no doubt opine that you myolinewu are just finding article to support your view.
What these three terribly enlightened not to mention clever and cerebral 'gurus' seem to pretend to overlook as always that this is a news report of events that are taking place under Sharia laws in a typical Islamic country. Your stance or view is therefore has little bearing or quite irrelevant. But who are we to argue with these profoundly clever and totally unbiased sages? Perish the thought!
Wow, talk about smug???
You presume to know everyone so well that you can actually tell everyone what they are going to say in response.
Well, that's not pretending to know more than the rest of us ... it pretends to know us better than we do ourselves ...
Wait, what was I suppose to say in response???
Oh, that's right ... Chutzpah said I would say you, myolinewu, are just finding fault and terribly ignorant about Islam.
Does that make you happy, Chutzpah???
It is quite sad to have read that which myolinewu has presented.
I don't know if it was news or bias article or what ... just that it made me very sad and outraged at the crimes that they say Islam is committing.
Of course, is it all of Islam that is doing this or a few who have taken the religion beyond norms and used it to benefit themselves???
Seems to me that it is sort of like the if you put a witch to water and she drowns then she was not a witch ...
but if she didn't drown then she is a witch and should be burned at the stake???
Am I the only one who sees that there is something wrong in using religion to one's own end
Like the preachers who take in so much donations and says that the more you give then the more God will give back to you???
The preachers then use the money for their own ends??? Is something wrong???
Then, the rest of the people who let it go cause the women weren't Muslim ... isn't there more fault to pass around??
I don't know what to say ... maybe we should just kill all the Muslims and get rid of Islam as a religion ...
but to be fair, then we must kill all the Christians too .. for they tried to spread their religion and had such things like the crusades and the inquisition??
What religion was beyond torture and killing to spread their word of God???
Now really, was it religion or the people who used religion as a tool for their own ends???
I don't know and only wish to make this as long as some of Chutzpah's rants just to let them know how it feels to go on and on and on about things
better left for historians and philosophers with the less than proper education .. much like elleXO and Chutzpah and Tangy and Me??
Me?? I don't have an education is Islam or Christian faith. Hmm, maybe I shouldn't talk about stuff I don't know.
Ah, hell, I see so many of the others here do the same ... why should I be any different.
As a rant, does this go far enough to make you stop reading and say enough already???
I could go on and on about how smart you all are and that you still won't resolve anything cause you are all too human to give in and/or admit
to differences and be done with it. But, hey, without it, this place would be pretty dull. So here's to Chutzpah and ElleXO and Tangy for it has
given me such a spectacle to see.
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 23 2011, 10:13 PM)
Wow, talk about smug???
You presume to know everyone so well that you can actually tell everyone what they are going to say in response.
Well, that's not pretending to know more than the rest of us ... it pretends to know us better than we do ourselves ...
Wait, what was I suppose to say in response???
Oh, that's right ... Chutzpah said I would say you, myolinewu, are just finding fault and terribly ignorant about Islam.
Does that make you happy, Chutzpah???
It is quite sad to have read that which myolinewu has presented.
I don't know if it was news or bias article or what ... just that it made me very sad and outraged at the crimes that they say Islam is committing.
Of course, is it all of Islam that is doing this or a few who have taken the religion beyond norms and used it to benefit themselves???
Seems to me that it is sort of like the if you put a witch to water and she drowns then she was not a witch ...
but if she didn't drown then she is a witch and should be burned at the stake???
Am I the only one who sees that there is something wrong in using religion to one's own end
Like the preachers who take in so much donations and says that the more you give then the more God will give back to you???
The preachers then use the money for their own ends??? Is something wrong???
Then, the rest of the people who let it go cause the women weren't Muslim ... isn't there more fault to pass around??
I don't know what to say ... maybe we should just kill all the Muslims and get rid of Islam as a religion ...
but to be fair, then we must kill all the Christians too .. for they tried to spread their religion and had such things like the crusades and the inquisition??
What religion was beyond torture and killing to spread their word of God???
Now really, was it religion or the people who used religion as a tool for their own ends???
I don't know and only wish to make this as long as some of Chutzpah's rants just to let them know how it feels to go on and on and on about things
better left for historians and philosophers with the less than proper education .. much like elleXO and Chutzpah and Tangy and Me??
Me?? I don't have an education is Islam or Christian faith. Hmm, maybe I shouldn't talk about stuff I don't know.
Ah, hell, I see so many of the others here do the same ... why should I be any different.
As a rant, does this go far enough to make you stop reading and say enough already???
I could go on and on about how smart you all are and that you still won't resolve anything cause you are all too human to give in and/or admit
to differences and be done with it. But, hey, without it, this place would be pretty dull. So here's to Chutzpah and ElleXO and Tangy for it has
given me such a spectacle to see.
You presume to know everyone so well that you can actually tell everyone what they are going to say in response.
Well, that's not pretending to know more than the rest of us ... it pretends to know us better than we do ourselves ...
Wait, what was I suppose to say in response???
Oh, that's right ... Chutzpah said I would say you, myolinewu, are just finding fault and terribly ignorant about Islam.
Does that make you happy, Chutzpah???
It is quite sad to have read that which myolinewu has presented.
I don't know if it was news or bias article or what ... just that it made me very sad and outraged at the crimes that they say Islam is committing.
Of course, is it all of Islam that is doing this or a few who have taken the religion beyond norms and used it to benefit themselves???
Seems to me that it is sort of like the if you put a witch to water and she drowns then she was not a witch ...
but if she didn't drown then she is a witch and should be burned at the stake???
Am I the only one who sees that there is something wrong in using religion to one's own end
Like the preachers who take in so much donations and says that the more you give then the more God will give back to you???
The preachers then use the money for their own ends??? Is something wrong???
Then, the rest of the people who let it go cause the women weren't Muslim ... isn't there more fault to pass around??
I don't know what to say ... maybe we should just kill all the Muslims and get rid of Islam as a religion ...
but to be fair, then we must kill all the Christians too .. for they tried to spread their religion and had such things like the crusades and the inquisition??
What religion was beyond torture and killing to spread their word of God???
Now really, was it religion or the people who used religion as a tool for their own ends???
I don't know and only wish to make this as long as some of Chutzpah's rants just to let them know how it feels to go on and on and on about things
better left for historians and philosophers with the less than proper education .. much like elleXO and Chutzpah and Tangy and Me??
Me?? I don't have an education is Islam or Christian faith. Hmm, maybe I shouldn't talk about stuff I don't know.
Ah, hell, I see so many of the others here do the same ... why should I be any different.
As a rant, does this go far enough to make you stop reading and say enough already???
I could go on and on about how smart you all are and that you still won't resolve anything cause you are all too human to give in and/or admit
to differences and be done with it. But, hey, without it, this place would be pretty dull. So here's to Chutzpah and ElleXO and Tangy for it has
given me such a spectacle to see.
Oh really, can't tell the difference between news report of factual event or a bias article? You did stress about being a total ignoramus a few days ago didn't you? Now let me find that response of yours somewhere....
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 24 2011, 05:13 AM)
I could go on and on about how smart you all are and that you still won't resolve anything cause you are all too human to give in and/or admit
to differences and be done with it. But, hey, without it, this place would be pretty dull. So here's to Chutzpah and ElleXO and Tangy for it has
given me such a spectacle to see.
to differences and be done with it. But, hey, without it, this place would be pretty dull. So here's to Chutzpah and ElleXO and Tangy for it has
given me such a spectacle to see.
Don't thank me AV, I haven't contributed a wit to the sorry spectacle this board has become in terms of religious bigotry. It was nicer to debate about the practice and the finger instead!
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 24 2011, 12:04 AM)
Oh really, can't tell the difference between news report of factual event or a bias article? You did stress about being a total ignoramus a few days ago didn't you? Now let me find that response of yours somewhere....
See right there ... that's an example of your smugness and thinking that you are better than me.
You think you can read any article and tell whether it is a news article or bias reporting???
Just because you read something and believe it to be true ... doesn't necessarily make it true.
There is so much propaganda out in the world and there is your contribution to it ...
But, please live long and prosper ... that is the way of this world
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Oct 24 2011, 12:42 AM)
Don't thank me AV, I haven't contributed a wit to the sorry spectacle this board has become in terms of religious bigotry. It was nicer to debate about the practice and the finger instead!
I know ... I don't want any credit for the religious bigotry either.
Just that Chutzpah and elleXO have made this place so entertaining with their spouts of infinite wisdoms ...
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 24 2011, 08:51 PM)
See right there ... that's an example of your smugness and thinking that you are better than me.
If you said so.. I never did. QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 24 2011, 08:51 PM)
You think you can read any article and tell whether it is a news article or bias reporting???
Just because you read something and believe it to be true ... doesn't necessarily make it true.
There is so much propaganda out in the world and there is your contribution to it...
But, please live long and prosper ... that is the way of this world
Then the onus is on you to ensure that it is true and not bias before you believe what you read. Not THAT difficult surely for someone of your ... well I let you fill that word in yourself Just because you read something and believe it to be true ... doesn't necessarily make it true.
There is so much propaganda out in the world and there is your contribution to it...
But, please live long and prosper ... that is the way of this world
BTW if you dispute the content of myolinewu's post and think it is mere propaganda and lies why don't you supply your evidence? How many times must you be asked to play fair and abide by common courtesy of any discourse? You dispute the content of the post above then prove your case. Whining and ranting isn't going to prove it for you, isn't that right?
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 24 2011, 08:51 PM)
I know ... I don't want any credit for the religious bigotry either.
Just that Chutzpah and elleXO have made this place so entertaining with their spouts of infinite wisdoms ...
Just that Chutzpah and elleXO have made this place so entertaining with their spouts of infinite wisdoms ...
Ow.... really? Let me quote your own words of wisdom
QUOTE (avisitor @ Oct 24 2011, 08:51 PM)
See right there ... that's an example of your smugness and thinking that you are better than everyone else.
highlight is mind.QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 24 2011, 10:52 PM)
If you said so.. I never did.
Implications ... Oh, plausible denial ... great, you want to play games with semantics.QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 24 2011, 10:52 PM)
Then the onus is on you to ensure that it is true and not bias before you believe what you read. Not THAT difficult surely for someone of your ... well I let you fill that word in yourself
Has it not occurred to you that I have determined what is bias and I choose not to believe in everything you present??QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 24 2011, 10:52 PM)
BTW if you dispute the content of myolinewu's post and think it is mere propaganda and lies why don't you supply your evidence? How many times must you be asked to play fair and abide by common courtesy of any discourse? You dispute the content of the post above then prove your case. Whining and ranting isn't going to prove it for you, isn't that right?
Hmmm, let me use your words ... "the onus is on you to ensure that it is true and not bias before you believe what you read. Not THAT difficult surely for someone of your ... well I let you fill that word in yourself "QUOTE (chutzpah @ Oct 24 2011, 10:52 PM)
Ow.... really? Let me quote your own words of wisdom highlight is mind.
highlight is mind.I know I'm smug and never denied it. You however deny everything and play your games with plausible denials.
You are so smug that you can't even see how smug you are ...
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