opinion of U.S compared to china?
Considering in WWII the atom bombs fat man and little boy killed at least 200,000 people. While us chinese only defended our homeland against foreign invaders.
since when have chinese people ever done any wrong against the japanese?
QUOTE (machpunch777 @ Nov 3 2011, 08:16 PM) 
opinion of U.S compared to china?
Considering in WWII the atom bombs fat man and little boy killed at least 200,000 people. While us chinese only defended our homeland against foreign invaders.
since when have chinese people ever done any wrong against the japanese?
Considering in WWII the atom bombs fat man and little boy killed at least 200,000 people. While us chinese only defended our homeland against foreign invaders.
since when have chinese people ever done any wrong against the japanese?
That does sound weird. But I guess the Japanese have been brainwashed over the years to worship whites.
In reality, China has done nothing to Japan - while Japan has done many bad things to China. Yet, China is the "threat"? This can only be explained by Western propaganda.
QUOTE (devils666 @ Nov 3 2011, 09:39 PM)
That does sound weird. But I guess the Japanese have been brainwashed over the years to worship whites.
In reality, China has done nothing to Japan - while Japan has done many bad things to China. Yet, China is the "threat"? This can only be explained by Western propaganda.
In reality, China has done nothing to Japan - while Japan has done many bad things to China. Yet, China is the "threat"? This can only be explained by Western propaganda.
¯\(º o)/¯
The United States defeated Japan and been the only country to have been nuked and has had American troops on its soil for over 60 years now.
The U.S has wanted to keep Japan "safe" from Communism that took over China.
I'm sure there has been brainwashing and propaganda to make the Japanese like the U.S, especially since its been subjugated by them.
The U.S has wanted to keep Japan "safe" from Communism that took over China.
I'm sure there has been brainwashing and propaganda to make the Japanese like the U.S, especially since its been subjugated by them.
QUOTE (machpunch777 @ Nov 3 2011, 09:16 PM)
opinion of U.S compared to china?
Considering in WWII the atom bombs fat man and little boy killed at least 200,000 people. While us chinese only defended our homeland against foreign invaders.
since when have chinese people ever done any wrong against the japanese?
Considering in WWII the atom bombs fat man and little boy killed at least 200,000 people. While us chinese only defended our homeland against foreign invaders.
since when have chinese people ever done any wrong against the japanese?
Where are the stats showing this? I've never heard Japanese people talk ill of Chinese even in private conversations. I'm not saying there is no racist against China of course there is racist against everybody. But, seeing a few hundred protest against China on TV and what real people talk about are two different things. Compare that to 1 in ten of the older Japanese men are racist against Korea. I don't know what it is but a small portion of the older generation has mean feelings towards Korea while the vast majority of Japanese have positive or neutral feelings about Korea.
China is not a target of hatred in Japan. Now, Japan doesn't view Chinese culture in the same light as Chinese do but that's not hatred. for example, Shaolin Kung Fu is viewed with honor and respect among Chinese. It is something that Chinese hold in great pride. Japanese are also blown away by Kung Fu but NOT in the same way. Japanese view Kung Fu in the same sense as watching acrobats or a circus show. Things like this could lead Chinese to think Japan is disrespecting China. Things like that could lead to misunderstandings.
The current territorial aggressive actions of China does worry Japan as well as the rest of Asia. This is at the core of mistrust of Chinese governments intentions. But that's how Japan feels about the Chinese government - not the Chinese people.
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Nov 3 2011, 10:58 PM)
Where are the stats showing this? I've never heard Japanese people talk ill of Chinese even in private conversations. I'm not saying there is no racist against China of course there is racist against everybody. But, seeing a few hundred protest against China on TV and what real people talk about are two different things. Compare that to 1 in ten of the older Japanese men are racist against Korea. I don't know what it is but a small portion of the older generation has mean feelings towards Korea while the vast majority of Japanese have positive or neutral feelings about Korea.
China is not a target of hatred in Japan. Now, Japan doesn't view Chinese culture in the same light as Chinese do but that's not hatred. for example, Shaolin Kung Fu is viewed with honor and respect among Chinese. It is something that Chinese hold in great pride. Japanese are also blown away by Kung Fu but NOT in the same way. Japanese view Kung Fu in the same sense as watching acrobats or a circus show. Things like this could lead Chinese to think Japan is disrespecting China. Things like that could lead to misunderstandings.
The current territorial aggressive actions of China does worry Japan as well as the rest of Asia. This is at the core of mistrust of Chinese governments intentions. But that's how Japan feels about the Chinese government - not the Chinese people.
China is not a target of hatred in Japan. Now, Japan doesn't view Chinese culture in the same light as Chinese do but that's not hatred. for example, Shaolin Kung Fu is viewed with honor and respect among Chinese. It is something that Chinese hold in great pride. Japanese are also blown away by Kung Fu but NOT in the same way. Japanese view Kung Fu in the same sense as watching acrobats or a circus show. Things like this could lead Chinese to think Japan is disrespecting China. Things like that could lead to misunderstandings.
The current territorial aggressive actions of China does worry Japan as well as the rest of Asia. This is at the core of mistrust of Chinese governments intentions. But that's how Japan feels about the Chinese government - not the Chinese people.
i never said anything about japanese actually hating china. im saying that i feel like japanese have a more favorable opinion of U.S compared to china and how I think that is rather ironic given historical circumstances.
i don't have stats showing this. only my gut feeling
lol here is a poll from 2006:
source: http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/09/21/public...of-one-another/
according to this japanese probably has a higher opinion of U.S than china (only 21% of japanese are favorable towards china)
also, how is it that japanese can have a lower opinion of china than china has a lower opinion of japan?
what did china even do other than defend itself? anyone else see the irony in this?
source: http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/09/21/public...of-one-another/
according to this japanese probably has a higher opinion of U.S than china (only 21% of japanese are favorable towards china)
also, how is it that japanese can have a lower opinion of china than china has a lower opinion of japan?
what did china even do other than defend itself? anyone else see the irony in this?
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Nov 3 2011, 09:58 PM)
Where are the stats showing this? I've never heard Japanese people talk ill of Chinese even in private conversations. I'm not saying there is no racist against China of course there is racist against everybody. But, seeing a few hundred protest against China on TV and what real people talk about are two different things. Compare that to 1 in ten of the older Japanese men are racist against Korea. I don't know what it is but a small portion of the older generation has mean feelings towards Korea while the vast majority of Japanese have positive or neutral feelings about Korea.
China is not a target of hatred in Japan. Now, Japan doesn't view Chinese culture in the same light as Chinese do but that's not hatred. for example, Shaolin Kung Fu is viewed with honor and respect among Chinese. It is something that Chinese hold in great pride. Japanese are also blown away by Kung Fu but NOT in the same way. Japanese view Kung Fu in the same sense as watching acrobats or a circus show. Things like this could lead Chinese to think Japan is disrespecting China. Things like that could lead to misunderstandings.
The current territorial aggressive actions of China does worry Japan as well as the rest of Asia. This is at the core of mistrust of Chinese governments intentions. But that's how Japan feels about the Chinese government - not the Chinese people.
China is not a target of hatred in Japan. Now, Japan doesn't view Chinese culture in the same light as Chinese do but that's not hatred. for example, Shaolin Kung Fu is viewed with honor and respect among Chinese. It is something that Chinese hold in great pride. Japanese are also blown away by Kung Fu but NOT in the same way. Japanese view Kung Fu in the same sense as watching acrobats or a circus show. Things like this could lead Chinese to think Japan is disrespecting China. Things like that could lead to misunderstandings.
The current territorial aggressive actions of China does worry Japan as well as the rest of Asia. This is at the core of mistrust of Chinese governments intentions. But that's how Japan feels about the Chinese government - not the Chinese people.
Chinese I met even the younger generations don't like Japan because of what Japan did to China in ww2(go to the Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall) ,hell China never invaded Japan unless you count the Yuan dynasty as Chinese while in reality it was the mongols who forced Koreans and Chinese to wage war only to drown. lol how ironic that Japanese are worried about territorial aggressiveness,Chinese are regaining their lost islands and seas,unlike Japan which invaded foreign lands that were never under Japanese control.
QUOTE (machpunch777 @ Nov 3 2011, 11:14 PM)
lol here is a poll from 2006:
source: http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/09/21/public...of-one-another/
according to this japanese probably has a higher opinion of U.S than china (only 21% of japanese are favorable towards china)
also, how is it that japanese can have a lower opinion of china than china has a lower opinion of japan?
what did china even do other than defend itself? anyone else see the irony in this?
source: http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/09/21/public...of-one-another/
according to this japanese probably has a higher opinion of U.S than china (only 21% of japanese are favorable towards china)
also, how is it that japanese can have a lower opinion of china than china has a lower opinion of japan?
what did china even do other than defend itself? anyone else see the irony in this?
That survey looks rubbish. The pakistan numbers can't be right. They're usually at least 80% favorable on China in other surveys.
US is seen as the world's most powerful military power because of those atom bombs. also i think US men have a reputation for being muscular, athletic, romantic and exotic in japan. there's also the cultural influence, the longetivity of their alliance and the general fact that japan worships white men. i don't think they hate china or anything, just apathetic
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Nov 4 2011, 11:58 AM)
The current territorial aggressive actions of China does worry Japan as well as the rest of Asia. This is at the core of mistrust of Chinese governments intentions. But that's how Japan feels about the Chinese government - not the Chinese people.
That's true.
I'd say most of japanese don't trust the current c cp at all due mainly to its anti-japan education.
QUOTE (machpunch777 @ Nov 3 2011, 10:14 PM)
lol here is a poll from 2006:
source: http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/09/21/public...of-one-another/
according to this japanese probably has a higher opinion of U.S than china (only 21% of japanese are favorable towards china)
also, how is it that japanese can have a lower opinion of china than china has a lower opinion of japan?
what did china even do other than defend itself? anyone else see the irony in this?
source: http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/09/21/public...of-one-another/
according to this japanese probably has a higher opinion of U.S than china (only 21% of japanese are favorable towards china)
also, how is it that japanese can have a lower opinion of china than china has a lower opinion of japan?
what did china even do other than defend itself? anyone else see the irony in this?
Favorable and unfavorable is not the type of questioner I'd would have asked. Most Asian nations including Japan are worried what the Chinese government plans to do in the future.
What about questions like:
What do you think about the Chinese government?
What do you think about the Chinese people?
Would you like to go to China on Vacation?
Would you rather marry an American or a Chinese?
I will say that currently, Japanese Government and the Japanese citizen will Allie with the American Government over the Chinese Government because they perceive the current Chinese government unpredictable and aggressive. Reading what Chinese like Yerroperil have to say only confirms that China's aggressive actions are being supported more and more by the people. That is what 70% unfavorable really is about.
QUOTE (Yerroperil @ Nov 4 2011, 01:04 AM)
Chinese I met even the younger generations don't like Japan because of what Japan did to China in ww2(go to the Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall) ,hell China never invaded Japan unless you count the Yuan dynasty as Chinese while in reality it was the mongols who forced Koreans and Chinese to wage war only to drown. lol how ironic that Japanese are worried about territorial aggressiveness,Chinese are regaining their lost islands and seas,unlike Japan which invaded foreign lands that were never under Japanese control.
china threatened to use force against vietnam and philippines during the recent incident over spratley
u don't think other nations would see that as a threat?
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Nov 4 2011, 10:00 PM)
Reading what Chinese like Yerroperil have to say only confirms that China's aggressive actions are being supported more and more by the people. That is what 70% unfavorable really is about.
At least the islands that China claim have been recorded to be under Chinese jurisdiction,I'm not going to comment on the seas,personally I don't get why people can own seas and oceans... Unlike Japan who invaded and took over Korea,Taiwan and parts of China for no reason...
QUOTE (qnpfr @ Nov 4 2011, 10:39 PM)
china threatened to use force against vietnam and philippines during the recent incident over spratley
u don't think other nations would see that as a threat?
u don't think other nations would see that as a threat?
All I seen is one article trying to justify war,China is just trying to write what people want to hear(nationalism is a cheap substitute for communism),I don't think the CPP is stupid enough to wage war.
QUOTE (chiuchimu @ Nov 4 2011, 11:00 PM)
Favorable and unfavorable is not the type of questioner I'd would have asked. Most Asian nations including Japan are worried what the Chinese government plans to do in the future.
What about questions like:
What do you think about the Chinese government?
What do you think about the Chinese people?
Would you like to go to China on Vacation?
Would you rather marry an American or a Chinese?
I will say that currently, Japanese Government and the Japanese citizen will Allie with the American Government over the Chinese Government because they perceive the current Chinese government unpredictable and aggressive. Reading what Chinese like Yerroperil have to say only confirms that China's aggressive actions are being supported more and more by the people. That is what 70% unfavorable really is about.
What about questions like:
What do you think about the Chinese government?
What do you think about the Chinese people?
Would you like to go to China on Vacation?
Would you rather marry an American or a Chinese?
I will say that currently, Japanese Government and the Japanese citizen will Allie with the American Government over the Chinese Government because they perceive the current Chinese government unpredictable and aggressive. Reading what Chinese like Yerroperil have to say only confirms that China's aggressive actions are being supported more and more by the people. That is what 70% unfavorable really is about.
correction: they've been manipulated by the US to perceive current chinese government as unpredictable and aggressive
Well I think its just a matter of hostility between the two nations. China certainly has more reason to dislike the Japanese, but I think its grown to become a mutual dislike. Japan sees China as unpredictable or aggressive. This is not to say that America isn't aggressive, but they are more predictable in that region.
In the last 60 years, America has adopted a very unique plan with Japan. Mostly this was out of fear to keep Japan from turning communistic. Regardless, whatever the reasons, both countries have embraced a lot of the same values in recent years. In America, it is rare to find anyone that dislikes Japan (Maybe some old WWII vets). Every friend I talk to LOVES japan and would love to visit there. The women, manga/anime, Japanese horror films, video games, pokemon and entertainment has really coaxed Americans into loving the Japanese culture. Its very common (Myself included) to have Japanese art, samurai swords, ect in their home as direction. One of my friends had a whole book shelf with manga books. Now I doubt any Japanese tote any american decorations in their home, but I think most of the Japanese realize the American opinion of them. I also think the Japanese realize the Chinese opinion of them. It has unfortunately created a sort of rivalry. Gary and ash?
Its hard to dislike and hate someone that likes you in return.
In the last 60 years, America has adopted a very unique plan with Japan. Mostly this was out of fear to keep Japan from turning communistic. Regardless, whatever the reasons, both countries have embraced a lot of the same values in recent years. In America, it is rare to find anyone that dislikes Japan (Maybe some old WWII vets). Every friend I talk to LOVES japan and would love to visit there. The women, manga/anime, Japanese horror films, video games, pokemon and entertainment has really coaxed Americans into loving the Japanese culture. Its very common (Myself included) to have Japanese art, samurai swords, ect in their home as direction. One of my friends had a whole book shelf with manga books. Now I doubt any Japanese tote any american decorations in their home, but I think most of the Japanese realize the American opinion of them. I also think the Japanese realize the Chinese opinion of them. It has unfortunately created a sort of rivalry. Gary and ash?
Its hard to dislike and hate someone that likes you in return.
Exactly. It doesn't even matter what he is, he's a troll and that's all there is to it.
No one will ever know for sure the background of the trolls - the whole point of trolling is deception, manipulation of opinions and trouble-making, so DON'T FEED THE TROLLS, as that's what they're after.
As for the topic, tbh, public opinion and views are extremely easy to manipulate and shape, you don't even need a lot of investments or efforts, just exercise some control and influence over some of the most popular media, and sure enough, a naked invasion of another sovereign state half the world away can be spun into a benign "liberation".
Of course Japan's politicians and media are firmly under the control of the US behind the scenes, even the DP's top politicians make their regular pilgrimage to Washington, so there's no doubt that there will be a lot of fear-mongering about China and whitewashing of the US and its allies. And most Americans don't even know about this or support such interventions.
This is what I'm taught:
Be glad when the other underestimates you and thinks of you as inferior - sure it is humiliating and a blow to your pride, but it means you are left alone to make your own progress undisturbed and secure your advantage.
Be wary when the other magnifies you, praises you and kisses up to you - it feels good to be "polished" and amplified, but it means they are plotting your downfall. Look at Tom Friedman, a Neocon whom I despise SO MUCH.....he was singing praises about China's achievement in every aspect, technology, healthcare, etc. in the NYTimes all the time, it felt good to a lot of Chinese but he is in fact making China appear a bigger competitor to the West, and this is his true intentions on the same side as Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/opinion/...tml?_r=2&hp
Cheap way to "check" China by an impoverished USA governed by Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is to destabilize the Asian region, making use of the "natural competitions" among Asians, don't even need troops like in Afghanistan and Iraq! China's neighbours shouldn't be too happy about this - they're just pawns, and when the giant is sufficiently set back, they're next in line to be fleeced, as power abhors a vacuum, and it *will* be filled by another giant which is indebted, hungry and cash-strapped.
More here:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MK05Ad02.html
Finally, if the other accurately sizes you up, your strengths and weaknesses, then it shows wisdom, honesty and judgment, and is either a worthy ally or a worthy rival.
Unfortunately, China simply has to live with this for now. There are however, also many Japanese and other Asian neighbours who think independently. The future for the neighboring countries going forward in peace lies in those in Asia who understand perfectly this dynamic, and are willing to be patient and wait for the waning of such influences and control.
Meanwhile, the less misunderstanding and mud-flinging, the better. We're all proud people, if we think so highly of ourselves, perhaps we should also act and behave accordingly, disagree with each other but in a respectful manner.
As for the topic, tbh, public opinion and views are extremely easy to manipulate and shape, you don't even need a lot of investments or efforts, just exercise some control and influence over some of the most popular media, and sure enough, a naked invasion of another sovereign state half the world away can be spun into a benign "liberation".
Of course Japan's politicians and media are firmly under the control of the US behind the scenes, even the DP's top politicians make their regular pilgrimage to Washington, so there's no doubt that there will be a lot of fear-mongering about China and whitewashing of the US and its allies. And most Americans don't even know about this or support such interventions.
This is what I'm taught:
Be glad when the other underestimates you and thinks of you as inferior - sure it is humiliating and a blow to your pride, but it means you are left alone to make your own progress undisturbed and secure your advantage.
Be wary when the other magnifies you, praises you and kisses up to you - it feels good to be "polished" and amplified, but it means they are plotting your downfall. Look at Tom Friedman, a Neocon whom I despise SO MUCH.....he was singing praises about China's achievement in every aspect, technology, healthcare, etc. in the NYTimes all the time, it felt good to a lot of Chinese but he is in fact making China appear a bigger competitor to the West, and this is his true intentions on the same side as Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard:
QUOTE
As Friedman put it:
America today needs much more cost-efficient ways to influence geopolitics in Asia than keeping troops there indefinitely. We need to better leverage the natural competitions in this region to our ends. There is more than one way to play The Great Game, and we need to learn it. [2]
America today needs much more cost-efficient ways to influence geopolitics in Asia than keeping troops there indefinitely. We need to better leverage the natural competitions in this region to our ends. There is more than one way to play The Great Game, and we need to learn it. [2]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/opinion/...tml?_r=2&hp
Cheap way to "check" China by an impoverished USA governed by Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is to destabilize the Asian region, making use of the "natural competitions" among Asians, don't even need troops like in Afghanistan and Iraq! China's neighbours shouldn't be too happy about this - they're just pawns, and when the giant is sufficiently set back, they're next in line to be fleeced, as power abhors a vacuum, and it *will* be filled by another giant which is indebted, hungry and cash-strapped.
More here:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MK05Ad02.html
Finally, if the other accurately sizes you up, your strengths and weaknesses, then it shows wisdom, honesty and judgment, and is either a worthy ally or a worthy rival.
Unfortunately, China simply has to live with this for now. There are however, also many Japanese and other Asian neighbours who think independently. The future for the neighboring countries going forward in peace lies in those in Asia who understand perfectly this dynamic, and are willing to be patient and wait for the waning of such influences and control.
Meanwhile, the less misunderstanding and mud-flinging, the better. We're all proud people, if we think so highly of ourselves, perhaps we should also act and behave accordingly, disagree with each other but in a respectful manner.
Chiuchimu lives in this little bubble where japanese people are kind and nice,but please dont forget its the same "kind and nice" japanese people decided to invade china and murdered tens and millions of people.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 7 2011, 12:03 AM)
No one will ever know for sure the background of the trolls - the whole point of trolling is deception, manipulation of opinions and trouble-making, so DON'T FEED THE TROLLS, as that's what they're after.
As for the topic, tbh, public opinion and views are extremely easy to manipulate and shape, you don't even need a lot of investments or efforts, just exercise some control and influence over some of the most popular media, and sure enough, a naked invasion of another sovereign state half the world away can be spun into a benign "liberation".
Of course Japan's politicians and media are firmly under the control of the US behind the scenes, even the DP's top politicians make their regular pilgrimage to Washington, so there's no doubt that there will be a lot of fear-mongering about China and whitewashing of the US and its allies. And most Americans don't even know about this or support such interventions.
This is what I'm taught:
Be glad when the other underestimates you and thinks of you as inferior - sure it is humiliating and a blow to your pride, but it means you are left alone to make your own progress undisturbed and secure your advantage.
Be wary when the other magnifies you, praises you and kisses up to you - it feels good to be "polished" and amplified, but it means they are plotting your downfall. Look at Tom Friedman, a Neocon whom I despise SO MUCH.....he was singing praises about China's achievement in every aspect, technology, healthcare, etc. in the NYTimes all the time, it felt good to a lot of Chinese but he is in fact making China appear a bigger competitor to the West, and this is his true intentions on the same side as Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/opinion/...tml?_r=2&hp
Cheap way to "check" China by an impoverished USA governed by Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is to destabilize the Asian region, making use of the "natural competitions" among Asians, don't even need troops like in Afghanistan and Iraq! China's neighbours shouldn't be too happy about this - they're just pawns, and when the giant is sufficiently set back, they're next in line to be fleeced, as power abhors a vacuum, and it *will* be filled by another giant which is indebted, hungry and cash-strapped.
More here:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MK05Ad02.html
Finally, if the other accurately sizes you up, your strengths and weaknesses, then it shows wisdom, honesty and judgment, and is either a worthy ally or a worthy rival.
Unfortunately, China simply has to live with this for now. There are however, also many Japanese and other Asian neighbours who think independently. The future for the neighboring countries going forward in peace lies in those in Asia who understand perfectly this dynamic, and are willing to be patient and wait for the waning of such influences and control.
Meanwhile, the less misunderstanding and mud-flinging, the better. We're all proud people, if we think so highly of ourselves, perhaps we should also act and behave accordingly, disagree with each other but in a respectful manner.
As for the topic, tbh, public opinion and views are extremely easy to manipulate and shape, you don't even need a lot of investments or efforts, just exercise some control and influence over some of the most popular media, and sure enough, a naked invasion of another sovereign state half the world away can be spun into a benign "liberation".
Of course Japan's politicians and media are firmly under the control of the US behind the scenes, even the DP's top politicians make their regular pilgrimage to Washington, so there's no doubt that there will be a lot of fear-mongering about China and whitewashing of the US and its allies. And most Americans don't even know about this or support such interventions.
This is what I'm taught:
Be glad when the other underestimates you and thinks of you as inferior - sure it is humiliating and a blow to your pride, but it means you are left alone to make your own progress undisturbed and secure your advantage.
Be wary when the other magnifies you, praises you and kisses up to you - it feels good to be "polished" and amplified, but it means they are plotting your downfall. Look at Tom Friedman, a Neocon whom I despise SO MUCH.....he was singing praises about China's achievement in every aspect, technology, healthcare, etc. in the NYTimes all the time, it felt good to a lot of Chinese but he is in fact making China appear a bigger competitor to the West, and this is his true intentions on the same side as Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/opinion/...tml?_r=2&hp
Cheap way to "check" China by an impoverished USA governed by Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is to destabilize the Asian region, making use of the "natural competitions" among Asians, don't even need troops like in Afghanistan and Iraq! China's neighbours shouldn't be too happy about this - they're just pawns, and when the giant is sufficiently set back, they're next in line to be fleeced, as power abhors a vacuum, and it *will* be filled by another giant which is indebted, hungry and cash-strapped.
More here:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MK05Ad02.html
Finally, if the other accurately sizes you up, your strengths and weaknesses, then it shows wisdom, honesty and judgment, and is either a worthy ally or a worthy rival.
Unfortunately, China simply has to live with this for now. There are however, also many Japanese and other Asian neighbours who think independently. The future for the neighboring countries going forward in peace lies in those in Asia who understand perfectly this dynamic, and are willing to be patient and wait for the waning of such influences and control.
Meanwhile, the less misunderstanding and mud-flinging, the better. We're all proud people, if we think so highly of ourselves, perhaps we should also act and behave accordingly, disagree with each other but in a respectful manner.
of course. this "natural competition" explains clearly why US hasn't invaded china yet. they're going to use japan to destroy china.
QUOTE (KraterosHellas @ Nov 8 2011, 08:01 AM)
of course. this "natural competition" explains clearly why US hasn't invaded china yet. they're going to use japan to destroy china.
That and China is a nuclear power. You don't invade a country with nukes.
QUOTE (machpunch777 @ Nov 3 2011, 09:16 PM)
opinion of U.S compared to china?
Considering in WWII the atom bombs fat man and little boy killed at least 200,000 people. While us chinese only defended our homeland against foreign invaders.
since when have chinese people ever done any wrong against the japanese?
Considering in WWII the atom bombs fat man and little boy killed at least 200,000 people. While us chinese only defended our homeland against foreign invaders.
since when have chinese people ever done any wrong against the japanese?
Conflicts with "Chinese"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toi_invasion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudan_Incident_of_1871
Chinese Invasion of Ryukyu in the 7th Century AD
What did Japanese do to Chinese to deserve this? fu-king troll
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 8 2011, 02:30 PM)
Conflicts with "Chinese"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toi_invasion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudan_Incident_of_1871
Chinese Invasion of Ryukyu in the 7th Century AD
What did Japanese do to Chinese to deserve this? fu-king troll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toi_invasion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudan_Incident_of_1871
Chinese Invasion of Ryukyu in the 7th Century AD
What did Japanese do to Chinese to deserve this? fu-king troll
1. Jurchens were NOT "Chinese", they were invaders of China.
2. See ABOVE for Mongols.
3. Japan invaded and colonized the Ryukyus, Korea, Taiwan and then China and the rest of Asia
4. See ABOVE
You're desperately clutching at straws, good luck with your fear-mongering.
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 8 2011, 02:30 PM)
Conflicts with "Chinese"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toi_invasion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudan_Incident_of_1871
Chinese Invasion of Ryukyu in the 7th Century AD
What did Japanese do to Chinese to deserve this? fu-king troll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toi_invasion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudan_Incident_of_1871
Chinese Invasion of Ryukyu in the 7th Century AD
What did Japanese do to Chinese to deserve this? fu-king troll
Since when did Jurchen(lmao Jurchen during 1019 didn't even control northern China under the Jin banner they can't be considered Chinese) or Mongols(are you going to rage at Koreans because they were also part of the Mongol invasion force,why do you blame the oppressed not the oppressors) represent Chinese? Ryukyu islands didn't belong to Japan or China,Shimazu Tadatsune invaded it and it was annexed by the Meiji government,care to show me your source for the Chinese invasion of Ryukyu. China never annexed tributary states,while Japan tried to annex Ryukyus and Korea,who is the aggressor here,besides Hideyoshi wanted to invade and conquer China and India,however Choson Korea refused to join Hideyoshi leading to an invasion which Ming and Korean forces repelled Japanese. Also Paiwan aborigines massacred Ryukyuan sailors,a Han Chinese saved them,sent them to Fujian then the Qing government returned them to Japan. Wokou were Japanese in origin later to incorporate Chinese. Japanese are the aggressors in history Chinese didn't to sh!t to Japan.
QUOTE (Yerroperil @ Nov 9 2011, 02:24 AM)
Since when did Jurchen(lmao Jurchen during 1019 didn't even control northern China under the Jin banner they can't be considered Chinese) or Mongols(are you going to rage at Koreans because they were also part of the Mongol invasion force,why do you blame the oppressed not the oppressors) represent Chinese? Ryukyu islands didn't belong to Japan or China,Shimazu Tadatsune invaded it and it was annexed by the Meiji government,care to show me your source for the Chinese invasion of Ryukyu. China never annexed tributary states,while Japan tried to annex Ryukyus and Korea,who is the aggressor here,besides Hideyoshi wanted to invade and conquer China and India,however Choson Korea refused to join Hideyoshi leading to an invasion which Ming and Korean forces repelled Japanese. Also Paiwan aborigines massacred Ryukyuan sailors,a Han Chinese saved them,sent them to Fujian then the Qing government returned them to Japan. Wokou were Japanese in origin later to incorporate Chinese. Japanese are the aggressors in history Chinese didn't to sh!t to Japan.
Mongols are not Chinese? Does that mean China stole Mongol lands? Jurchen are not Chinese? Does that mean China stole Jurchen lands? Taiwanese are not Chinese? Why does China steal Taiwanese lands?
Ryukyu Invasion
http://books.google.com/books?id=GVZQb7hEF...p;q&f=false
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 01:48 AM)
1. Jurchens were NOT "Chinese", they were invaders of China.
2. See ABOVE for Mongols.
3. Japan invaded and colonized the Ryukyus, Korea, Taiwan and then China and the rest of Asia
4. See ABOVE
You're desperately clutching at straws, good luck with your fear-mongering.
2. See ABOVE for Mongols.
3. Japan invaded and colonized the Ryukyus, Korea, Taiwan and then China and the rest of Asia
4. See ABOVE
You're desperately clutching at straws, good luck with your fear-mongering.
So does that mean old Chinese state which did not include Jurchens and Mongols are DIFFERENT from the Chinese state today? fu-king dumbass trolls.
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 07:13 AM)
So does that mean old Chinese state which did not include Jurchens and Mongols are DIFFERENT from the Chinese state today? fu-king dumbass trolls.
Watch your vulgarity, I'll report your posts if you cannot behave in a civilized manner, but resort to barbaric and crude insults.
Take a look into the mirror, will ya?
Yes, the Jurchens and Mongols WERE NOT CHINESE at that time when they invaded China, Einstein, that is why they were called "Jurchens" and "Mongols", NOT "CHINESE".
That is WHY Historians for centuries all over the world make a differentiation - they did not say the "Chinese invaded Europe", even when the Mongols ruled China at that time, they said the "Mongols invaded Europe" and "the Mongols tried to invade Japan".
That is why even the Chinese refer to Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, etc. as "Mongolians" in their history books, not "Chinese".
But I guess Japan has a "unique" way of teaching history, hope some Japanese person can let us know if Japanese history books wrote the "Chinese invaded Europe", "Chinese tried to invade Japan" like this wanko posted.
And at the time when Ryukyu was called "Kingdom of Ryukyu", they were NOT A PART OF JAPAN, but an independent nation, which is why they were called "The Kingdom of Ryukyu" until Japan invaded and annexed them.
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Mongols are not Chinese? Does that mean China stole Mongol lands?
So by your twisted logic, since Japan invaded and annexed Ryukyu Kingdom, absorbed it into Japan and ruled it, like the Mongols who invaded, absorbed and ruled China, it was in fact the Ryukyu people who "stole" Japanese land.
You're seriously
if you can't even make these very simple deductions or understand cause-and-effect tangents in chronological order. However, what you lack in basic comprehension and elementary logic you make up for in coarse, odious tactic, so
.
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 07:08 AM)
Mongols are not Chinese? Does that mean China stole Mongol lands? Jurchen are not Chinese? Does that mean China stole Jurchen lands? Taiwanese are not Chinese? Why does China steal Taiwanese lands?
Ryukyu Invasion
http://books.google.com/books?id=GVZQb7hEF...p;q&f=false
Ryukyu Invasion
http://books.google.com/books?id=GVZQb7hEF...p;q&f=false
Mongols and Jurchens(AKA Manchus) could be considered Chinese in the PRC definition,however Song Chinese didn't view them as equals or that they deserved the mandate of heaven otherwise Song wouldn't have warred with Jin and Mongols. Mongolian identity was the result of Genghis Khan's unification of various tribes,Inner Mongolia alternated between Chinese and other nomadic ethnics such as Loufan,Linhu,Di,Xiongnu,Khitan,Tangut and Jurchen not Mongols,Outer Mongolia was part of China because Manchu rulers married Mongols,thus allying with some and crushing the others such as the Dzungars. Define what are Jurchen lands,the concept of Manchuria is artificial as parts of it was controlled by Koreans,Chinese,and the precursors of the Manchus such as the Jurchen/Mohe,if it wasn't for Qing uniting China,China's piece of "Manchuria" would be smaller. Taiwanese are not Chinese?! Majority of Taiwanese are of Han Chinese stock(98%) split between Hoklo(Fujian) and Hakka(mostly Guangdong) peoples,Chinese had knowledge of Taiwan(then Yizhou),during the three kingdoms,Wu forces raided the area but not settling it,settlement began during late Tang-Northern Song((960-1127),Southern Song set up administration.http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-07/21/content_246920.htm Blame the Dutch for bringing large amounts of Hoklo workers,Ming loyalist tried Zhenchengong tried to use an area as a base to attack the Qing however it failed,Qing only wanted to crush the Zheng family only convinced by Shi lang,most migrants were of late Ming-Qing,I don't recall there ever being a kingdom of Taiwan established by aborigines that was wiped out by Han Chinese,the Dutch did the dirty work for Chinese,and also Japanese are no better than Dutch of Chinese invading it. Thanks for your source however I find it strange that there is only one sentence that China invaded and got tribute are their any books on this subject,China didn't annex Ryukyus but Japan did.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 07:41 AM)
That is WHY Historians for centuries all over the world make a differentiation - they did not say the "Chinese invaded Europe", even when the Mongols ruled China at that time, they said the "Mongols invaded Europe" and "the Mongols tried to invade Japan".
That is why even the Chinese refer to Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, etc. as "Mongolians" in their history books, not "Chinese".
That is why even the Chinese refer to Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, etc. as "Mongolians" in their history books, not "Chinese".
Actually Kublai Khan was Emperor of China in the same way that Napoleon was Emperor of France. Just because he was Mongolian by blood does not mean he did not rule a Chinese Empire. There's nothing more delusional than someone's obsession with race to understand history.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 07:41 AM)
And at the time when Ryukyu was called "Kingdom of Ryukyu", they were NOT A PART OF JAPAN, but an independent nation, which is why they were called "The Kingdom of Ryukyu" until Japan invaded and annexed them.
There was also the Wa state and the Yamato state and Silla state, Paekche state and the Gogueryo state of which we refer to as a part of Japanese and Korean history respectively. Ryukyu is linked to Japan regardless.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 07:41 AM)
So by your twisted logic, since Japan invaded and annexed Ryukyu Kingdom, absorbed it into Japan and ruled it, like the Mongols who invaded, absorbed and ruled China, it was in fact the Ryukyu people who "stole" Japanese land.
I think you're the only one with twisted logic.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 07:41 AM)
You're seriously if you can't even make these very simple deductions or understand cause-and-effect tangents in chronological order.
However, what you lack in basic comprehension and elementary logic you make up for in coarse, odious tactic, so .
if you can't even make these very simple deductions or understand cause-and-effect tangents in chronological order. However, what you lack in basic comprehension and elementary logic you make up for in coarse, odious tactic, so
.Lol. There is no logic in this. You try to claim there's logic in history and that somehow China's conquests and possessions are logical but Japan's are not then it's pretty obvious there is no real discussion here but only to continually put down Japan on your part.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 07:41 AM)
Watch your vulgarity, I'll report your posts if you cannot behave in a civilized manner, but resort to barbaric and crude insults.
By the way, shut the fu-k up faggot troll
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 10:31 AM)
Actually Kublai Khan was Emperor of China in the same way that Napoleon was Emperor of France. Just because he was Mongolian by blood does not mean he did not rule a Chinese Empire. There's nothing more delusional than someone's obsession with race to understand history.
Wow...like I said, not only POORLY EDUCATED with almost non-existent knowledge of History, but completely WARPED logic...
Napolean was born in Corsica, Corsica is one of the 27 régions of France, i.e. a part of FRENCH territory in simplified English, trained in the French military, rose to power in FRANCE, fought FOR FRANCE in many wars AGAINST its enemies, invaded and conquered Spain, Austria, Germany, etc., ruled the French Empire as Emperor of FRANCE, so why is he anything other than FRENCH???
First of all, you must have meant Genghis Khan, not Kublai Khan, when you compared the historic person responsible for conquering and establishing an EMPIRE. Kublai Khan is his grandson, who INHERITED the Mongolian Empire.
Genghis Khan was born in the territory of the Mongolia, trained in the Mongolian Army, rose to power in Mongolia, conquered many territories on behalf of Mongolia and established the Mongolian Empire, ruled as Emperor of the Mongolian Empire, of which China was one of the conquered countries, so why is he anything other than MONGOLIAN? Why is he suddenly "Chinese"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan
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Genghis Khan (/ˈɡɛŋɡɪs ˈkɑːn/ or /ˈdʒɛŋɡɪs ˈkɑːn/,[5][6] Mongol: [tʃiŋɡɪs xaːŋ] (
listen); 1162? – August 1227), born Temujin and occasionally known by his temple name Taizu(太祖), was the founder and Great Khan (emperor) of the Mongol Empire, which became the largest contiguous empire in history after his death.
He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. After founding the Mongol Empire and being proclaimed "Genghis Khan", he started the Mongol invasions that resulted in the conquest of most of Eurasia. These included raids or invasions of the Kara-Khitan Khanate, Caucasus, Khwarezmid Empire, Western Xia and Jin dynasties. These campaigns were often accompanied by wholesale massacres of the civilian populations – especially in Khwarezmia. By the end of his life, the Mongol Empire occupied a substantial portion of Central Asia and China.
listen); 1162? – August 1227), born Temujin and occasionally known by his temple name Taizu(太祖), was the founder and Great Khan (emperor) of the Mongol Empire, which became the largest contiguous empire in history after his death.He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. After founding the Mongol Empire and being proclaimed "Genghis Khan", he started the Mongol invasions that resulted in the conquest of most of Eurasia. These included raids or invasions of the Kara-Khitan Khanate, Caucasus, Khwarezmid Empire, Western Xia and Jin dynasties. These campaigns were often accompanied by wholesale massacres of the civilian populations – especially in Khwarezmia. By the end of his life, the Mongol Empire occupied a substantial portion of Central Asia and China.
Kublai Khan, who tried to invade Japan, was also INVADING the remnants of the Chinese territories as well as OTHER countries.
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Kublai's real power was limited to China and Mongolia after the victory over Ariq Böke, though his influence still remained in the Ilkhanate, and to a lesser degree, in the Golden Horde, in the western parts of the Mongol Empire.[4][5][6] His realm reached from the Pacific to the Urals, from Siberia to modern day Afghanistan – one fifth of the world's inhabited land area.[7] In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan Dynasty, which at that time ruled over present-day Mongolia and China, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of Emperor of China. By 1279, the Yuan forces had successfully annihilated the last resistance of the Southern Song Dynasty, and Kublai thus became the first non-Chinese Emperor who conquered all of China. He was also the only Mongol khan after 1260 to win new great conquests.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kublai_Khan#c..._Empire_p.457-7So Historians keep calling it a MONGOLIAN EMPIRE, however, to fit your lie that "Chinese invaded Japan", you jumped through several hoops and made contortions in logic, most of all, rewriting History to somehow make Genghis and Kublai Khan "Chinese", not "Mongolian". If conquering a country made him one of the conquered, so why is Kublai Khan not "Siberian" or "Afghan", etc..??
I hope some nationalistic Mongolians would come in and give you a piece of their mind.
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There was also the Wa state and the Yamato state and Silla state, Paekche state and the Gogueryo state of which we refer to as a part of Japanese and Korean history respectively. Ryukyu is linked to Japan regardless.
Ryukyus had their own Kingdom, their own rulers, their own sovereignty. They were invaded and annexed by a FOREIGN country, Japan.
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I think you're the only one with twisted logic.
Lol. There is no logic in this. You try to claim there's logic in history and that somehow China's conquests and possessions are logical but Japan's are not then it's pretty obvious there is no real discussion here but only to continually put down Japan on your part.
Lol. There is no logic in this. You try to claim there's logic in history and that somehow China's conquests and possessions are logical but Japan's are not then it's pretty obvious there is no real discussion here but only to continually put down Japan on your part.
There is no "logic", I don't have to produce any, because all the history books point to SIMPLE FACTS, facts which I am again plainly stating. Fact is, the Mongolians invaded, conquered and ruled a Mongolian Empire, which included China among many other countries. This Mongolian Empire tried to invade Japan. This decision was NOT made by "Chinese", period, the whole world knows that, except you, in your warped logic to try to reverse black and white to claim that "the Chinese invaded Japan".
The Mongolian Khans were as MONGOLIAN as Napoleon was FRENCH, get it?
Your claim is as absurd as saying since Napoleon conquered almost all of Europe, including Germany, and then tried to attack Russia after conquering Leipzig, that Napoleon is somehow...German, and it was Germans that tried to attack Russia!!
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By the way, shut the fu-k up faggot troll
I see that not only are you demented in your mind, you're also BLIND, I'm not a faggot, I'm a 100% female, but even a "faggot" is probably more of a "man" than a "wanko" like you. You're better off worming your way into the Ministry of History Books in Japan and trying to persuade the Mongolians that Kublai Khan is a Chinese.
Reported to the Mods.
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 09:31 AM)
Actually Kublai Khan was Emperor of China in the same way that Napoleon was Emperor of France. Just because he was Mongolian by blood does not mean he did not rule a Chinese Empire. There's nothing more delusional than someone's obsession with race to understand history.
Why is Yuan a Chinese empires?Yuan included Mongolia,Jurchen lands and China with Goryeo as a tributary,why isn't it a Mongol,Jurchen or Korean(if you count the historical claims of Gojoseon) empire. Illkhante ruled over Persia is it Persian,Golden Horde ruled over Rus is it Russian,Chagatai Khanate ruled over Kashgar,Transoxiana and parts of NorthWestern China does that make it any of the above ethnics? Why did the Yuan rulers bother to separate ethnics if they were all Chinese? Did the newly conquered Chinese people of Song view Mongols as the same stock as them? My argument is based on what my ancestors viewed other ethnicity as not what the PRC defines.
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 09:31 AM)
There was also the Wa state and the Yamato state and Silla state, Paekche state and the Gogueryo state of which we refer to as a part of Japanese and Korean history respectively. Ryukyu is linked to Japan regardless.
There was actually a lot more states than Wa,but I won't get into the details,it parallels China in that the warring states become a single entity only that there wasn't an entity such as the Zhou kings who had control over other states such as vassalage. Ditto with Korea. However by the time that Ryukyu was annexed,Japanese,Korean and Chinese identity also existed... Don't try to justify Japans aggression likewise I don't justify Chinese agression.btw Japan tried to invade China ex: Wokou,Hideyoshi,first and second Sino Japanese war.
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 09:31 AM)
By the way, shut the fu-k up faggot troll
Take a chill pill...
QUOTE (Yerroperil @ Nov 9 2011, 11:55 AM)
Why is Yuan a Chinese empires?Yuan included Mongolia,Jurchen lands and China with Goryeo as a tributary,why isn't it a Mongol,Jurchen or Korean(if you count the historical claims of Gojoseon) empire. Illkhante ruled over Persia is it Persian,Golden Horde ruled over Rus is it Russian,Chagatai Khanate ruled over Kashgar,Transoxiana and parts of NorthWestern China does that make it any of the above ethnics? Why did the Yuan rulers bother to separate ethnics if they were all Chinese? Did the newly conquered Chinese people of Song view Mongols as the same stock as them? My argument is based on what my ancestors viewed other ethnicity as not what the PRC defines.
There was actually a lot more states than Wa,but I won't get into the details,it parallels China in that the warring states become a single entity only that there wasn't an entity such as the Zhou kings who had control over other states such as vassalage. Ditto with Korea. However by the time that Ryukyu was annexed,Japanese,Korean and Chinese identity also existed... Don't try to justify Japans aggression likewise I don't justify Chinese agression.btw Japan tried to invade China ex: Wokou,Hideyoshi,first and second Sino Japanese war.
Take a chill pill...
There was actually a lot more states than Wa,but I won't get into the details,it parallels China in that the warring states become a single entity only that there wasn't an entity such as the Zhou kings who had control over other states such as vassalage. Ditto with Korea. However by the time that Ryukyu was annexed,Japanese,Korean and Chinese identity also existed... Don't try to justify Japans aggression likewise I don't justify Chinese agression.btw Japan tried to invade China ex: Wokou,Hideyoshi,first and second Sino Japanese war.
Take a chill pill...
Best to report the abusive posts and ban the trolls. Hmmm...perhaps this manko and the new troll aren't even Japanese....
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 11:08 AM)
Best to report the abusive posts and ban the trolls. No point arguing with cowardly right-wing Japanese fascists who try to turn white into black. Actually, his rubbish logic really makes the Japanese look bad in general... but really glad he's showing another "side" to the Japan he so proudly proclaimed as "improving the image of Asians in the Western world" ..kkkk.. 
Hope he posts more of this garbage to the "Western World" he so desperately wants to impress....banzai!
Hope he posts more of this garbage to the "Western World" he so desperately wants to impress....banzai!
Asia finest needs more mods that's all I'm going to say...
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 10:40 AM)
Napolean was born in Corsica, Corsica is one of the 27 régions of France, i.e. a part of FRENCH territory in simplified English, trained in the French military, rose to power in FRANCE, fought FOR FRANCE in many wars AGAINST its enemies, invaded and conquered Spain, Austria, Germany, etc., ruled the French Empire as Emperor of FRANCE, so why is he anything other than FRENCH???
Really? You obviously shallowly referred to wikipedia. During that period, Corsica was owned by Italy and had just been recently purchased by France. He was culturally Italian, Italian was his first laguage and since it matters to you so much, "racially" Italian.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 10:40 AM)
First of all, you must have meant Genghis Khan, not Kublai Khan, when you compared the historic person responsible for conquering and establishing an EMPIRE. Kublai Khan is his grandson, who INHERITED the Mongolian Empire.
No, because Kublai Khan did NOT inherit the Mongolian Empire. Mongke his brother INHERITED the Mongol Empire. He took control of the area of what is now Present-day China. Emperor of China
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 10:40 AM)
Ryukyus had their own Kingdom, their own rulers, their own sovereignty. They were invaded and annexed by a FOREIGN country, Japan.
So that makes it right that the Chinese attacked them? LoL. Troll. Stfu.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 10:40 AM)
There is no "logic", I don't have to produce any, because all the history books point to SIMPLE FACTS, facts which I am again plainly stating.
You obviously don't read.
QUOTE (qwerty2010 @ Nov 9 2011, 10:40 AM)
I'm not a faggot, I'm a 100% female, but even a "faggot" is probably more of a "man" than a "wanko" like you.
Oh I'm sorry you're right. You aren't a "faggot". You're a DYKE-@$$-TROLL.
QUOTE (Yerroperil @ Nov 9 2011, 10:55 AM)
My argument is based on what my ancestors viewed other ethnicity as not what the PRC defines.
Doesn't matter. Because your "ancestors" took orders from Kublai Khan and anyone under him because he was the EMPEROR OF CHINA. LOL.
QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 08:59 PM)
Doesn't matter. Because your "ancestors" took orders from Kublai Khan and anyone under him because he was the EMPEROR OF CHINA. LOL.
lmao my ancestors didn't view Kublai as Chinese or rebellions wouldn't have popped up,neither would their be mass suicides if Chinese viewed Mongols as brothers. Kublai Khan also proclaimed himself as the GREAT KHAN that isn't a Chinese title. So if Chinese took over Japan for about a century then got overthrown would the rulers become Japanese?
QUOTE (Yerroperil @ Nov 10 2011, 01:32 AM)
lmao my ancestors didn't view Kublai as Chinese or rebellions wouldn't have popped up,neither would their be mass suicides if Chinese viewed Mongols as brothers. Kublai Khan also proclaimed himself as the GREAT KHAN that isn't a Chinese title. So if Chinese took over Japan for about a century then got overthrown would the rulers become Japanese?
How does the Leader being "Chinese" change the fact that he ruled a pre-dominantly Chinese empire? If USA has a Black President, does that mean all the White people are now Black?
QUOTE (chineseo @ Nov 10 2011, 07:47 AM)
How does the Leader being "Chinese" change the fact that he ruled a pre-dominantly Chinese empire? If USA has a Black President, does that mean all the White people are now Black?
yuan dynasty invasion was unsuccessful anyways. nobody hates over an attempted invasion.
QUOTE (chineseo @ Nov 10 2011, 07:47 AM)
How does the Leader being "Chinese" change the fact that he ruled a pre-dominantly Chinese empire? If USA has a Black President, does that mean all the White people are now Black?
Kublai Khan wasn't a native of China,neither did the conquered Song not sure about Jin Chinese view him as one of their own,Obama was born in U.S.(unless you are one of those stubborn people that can't accept the truth).
yes, Japan has too many favorable opinions in Western world and from that people usually categorize asian as Chinese (that sometimes included Korean and Vnmese, don't be too shocked when a person ask a korean if he's chinese...) and Japanese, and as japanese are way different from chinese. It's sad that only some people are able to recognize the existences of Korean and Vnmese less through media. And for some reasons the sino cultures of other 3 countries beside japan are not popular and favored. People talk about japanese and japan while japan talk about themselves...it's funny.
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