QUOTE (manko @ Nov 9 2011, 10:31 AM)
Actually Kublai Khan was Emperor of China in the same way that Napoleon was Emperor of France. Just because he was Mongolian by blood does not mean he did not rule a Chinese Empire. There's nothing more delusional than someone's obsession with race to understand history.
Wow...like I said, not only POORLY EDUCATED with almost non-existent knowledge of History, but completely WARPED logic...
Napolean was born in Corsica, Corsica is one of the 27 régions
, i.e. a part of FRENCH territory in simplified English, trained in the French military, rose to power in FRANCE, fought FOR FRANCE in many wars AGAINST its enemies, invaded and conquered Spain, Austria, Germany, etc., ruled the French Empire as Emperor of FRANCE, so why is he anything other than FRENCH???
First of all, you must have meant Genghis Khan, not Kublai Khan, when you compared the historic person responsible for conquering and establishing an EMPIRE. Kublai Khan is his grandson, who INHERITED the Mongolian Empire.
Genghis Khan was born in the territory of the Mongolia, trained in the Mongolian Army, rose to power in Mongolia, conquered many territories on behalf of Mongolia and established the Mongolian Empire, ruled as Emperor of the Mongolian Empire, of which China was one of the conquered countries, so why is he anything other than MONGOLIAN? Why is he suddenly "Chinese"?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan
or /ˈdʒɛŋɡɪs ˈkɑːn/
Mongol: [tʃiŋɡɪs xaːŋ]
); 1162? – August 1227), born Temujin
and occasionally known by his temple name Taizu(太祖)
, was the founder and Great Khan
(emperor) of the Mongol Empire
, which became the largest
contiguous empire in history after his death.
He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic
tribes of northeast Asia. After founding the Mongol Empire
and being proclaimed "Genghis Khan", he started the Mongol invasions
that resulted in the conquest of most of Eurasia. These included raids or invasions of the Kara-Khitan Khanate
, Khwarezmid Empire
, Western Xia
dynasties. These campaigns were often accompanied by wholesale massacres of the civilian populations – especially in Khwarezmia
. By the end of his life, the Mongol Empire occupied a substantial portion of Central Asia and China.
Kublai Khan, who tried to invade Japan, was also INVADING the remnants of the Chinese territories as well as OTHER countries.
Kublai's real power was limited to China and Mongolia
after the victory over Ariq Böke, though his influence still remained in the Ilkhanate
, and to a lesser degree, in the Golden Horde
, in the western parts of the Mongol Empire. His realm reached from the Pacific to the Urals, from Siberia to modern day Afghanistan – one fifth of the world's inhabited land area.
In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan Dynasty, which at that time ruled over present-day Mongolia
and China, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of Emperor of China
. By 1279, the Yuan forces had successfully annihilated the last resistance of the Southern Song Dynasty
, and Kublai thus became the first non-Chinese Emperor
who conquered all of China. He was also the only Mongol khan
after 1260 to win new great conquests.
So Historians keep calling it a MONGOLIAN EMPIRE, however, to fit your lie that "Chinese invaded Japan", you jumped through several hoops and made contortions in logic, most of all, rewriting History to somehow make Genghis and Kublai Khan "Chinese", not "Mongolian". If conquering a country made him one of the conquered, so why is Kublai Khan not "Siberian" or "Afghan", etc..??
I hope some nationalistic Mongolians would come in and give you a piece of their mind.
There was also the Wa state and the Yamato state and Silla state, Paekche state and the Gogueryo state of which we refer to as a part of Japanese and Korean history respectively. Ryukyu is linked to Japan regardless.
Ryukyus had their own Kingdom, their own rulers, their own sovereignty. They were invaded and annexed by a FOREIGN country, Japan.
I think you're the only one with twisted logic.
Lol. There is no logic in this. You try to claim there's logic in history and that somehow China's conquests and possessions are logical but Japan's are not then it's pretty obvious there is no real discussion here but only to continually put down Japan on your part.
There is no "logic", I don't have to produce any, because all the history books point to SIMPLE FACTS, facts which I am again plainly stating. Fact is, the Mongolians invaded, conquered and ruled a Mongolian Empire, which included China among many other countries. This Mongolian Empire tried to invade Japan. This decision was NOT made by "Chinese", period, the whole world knows that, except you, in your warped logic to try to reverse black and white to claim that "the Chinese invaded Japan".
The Mongolian Khans were as MONGOLIAN as Napoleon was FRENCH, get it?
Your claim is as absurd as saying since Napoleon conquered almost all of Europe, including Germany, and then tried to attack Russia after conquering Leipzig, that Napoleon is somehow...German, and it was Germans that tried to attack Russia!!
By the way, shut the fu-k up faggot troll
I see that not only are you demented in your mind, you're also BLIND, I'm not a faggot, I'm a 100% female, but even a "faggot" is probably more of a "man" than a "wanko" like you. You're better off worming your way into the Ministry of History Books in Japan and trying to persuade the Mongolians that Kublai Khan is a Chinese.
Reported to the Mods.