QUOTE (tangawizi @ Dec 1 2011, 12:03 AM)
Do u want me to talk about the experience of sitting?
This is not possible in conventional language.
The greatest difficulty for the spiritual enthusiast probably originates in the glimpses of suprasensory reality that he/she might experience. Spiritual contemplative experiences are not an achievement to discuss, share or boast about. They widen, deepen and raise the consciousness, and this change should be reflected in outer life, making the person more considerate, compassionate and contented.
This is good if it helps to decrease suffering. That's the point of practice.
You are my kalyani-mitta just as AV is. You are not an adversary for me to judge and compare in terms of our scholastic knowledge or contemplative experience.
I must tell you now that I am not a scholar and my understanding of Buddhism is different from that of a scholar. And I practice Buddhism. If you paid close attention, you will understand what practice means in my tradition. To you is sitting. To me, my practice is not sitting. How can I be clearer?
Mahayanists do undertake some form of meditation, even if it's not formal sitting practice. Unfortunately, some may be looking for a miracle, which is a common wasteful distraction. If you sit and observe, ordinary life is itself a miracle – no other miracles are necessary for inspiring your contemplative sittings.
I will advise you again to study Mahayana before you jump to any conclusion. And to understand Mahayana, first you have to understand the basic teachings of 4 Noble Truths and Dependent Origination.
This is the reason why you should study Buddhism before discussing it.
There is a difference in effort between straining and concentration. Concentration (from contemplative practices) helps, but straining hinders spiritual growth. Anxiety, restlessness, anger and laziness are an expression of the ego. Ego divides you as an individual from the rest. You keep judging other's path in your quest to understand your own.
I will tell you now that until you are free from suffering, your deluded mind will manifest in one form or another. I do agree, however, that over time the attachment will decrease.
We could use ancient Pali words to show off our scholastic knowledge of the suttas, but since you ask for conventional language to guide one another, I try as best as i can to do so. But it's a feeble effort when compared to the bhikkus and great philosophers in the east and west who have done contemplation their entire lives.
If you study Buddhism to show off your knowledge, then you might as well focus on getting rich.
Your assumption is what I practice is not contempletive simply because I don't sit. Then you must explain what contempletive here means.
The Buddha is but just one of the great explorers of the internal world. We have them in the shamanic, Christian, Muslim, Hindu and countless other traditions too. But his discourses do present a precise blueprint for the journey. The first step is in sitting. Just as he did under the bodhi tree.
I have nothing against sitting traditions. However, sitting is not the only meditation form of practice. In fact, it is only a part of the teachings.
And I will have to correct you sitting is not the first step. If anything, it is meditation. And this will beg the question, "What is meditation?"
Right View is the first step.
the Noble Eightfold Path, namely: right understanding, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness and right concentration.
And notice right concentration is not equivalent to sitting. There is no prescriptive form of meditation. Just right concentration.
Using blanketing and fabricating statements are common these days. It's amazing how the deluded mind manifests itself.
It's not a matter of conceit or my knowledge is better than yours. But at some point, we have to accept our own limitations. It's matter of honesty. Otherwise it will be very hard to engage in any type of discussion.
Jealousy is also a habit or a tendency to feel that we are better when there are others who know more than we do.