Full Version: Catholics and patriotism
If you're a devout catholic, is your loyalty to your own country greater than your loyalty to Rome and the Pope? Diệm and Nhu were rightfully shot because their loyalty to Rome and the Pope were much greater than their loyalty to their own country (assuming they had any). So was Kennedy's. South VietNam fell because the government was run by a bunch of unpatriotic Catholics.
^so the Pope told them to shoot people? jeez. i know alot of Catholics (I'm Filipino damn me if I don't) who see the pope as no more than a priest.
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 03:23 PM)
If you're a devout catholic, is your loyalty to your own country greater than your loyalty to Rome and the Pope? Diệm and Nhu were rightfully shot because their loyalty to Rome and the Pope were much greater than their loyalty to their own country (assuming they had any). So was Kennedy's. South VietNam fell because the government was run by a bunch of unpatriotic Catholics.
You are trying to blame on Catholicism for the fall of South Vietnam? And obviously you don't know jack about Kennedy.
Have you ever sat down and thought about this? If you are really devoted to any religion, that it is not just another religion (as it is to you) but a way of everlasting life? Take it to the extreme that if I am a devoted catholic and had to choose between the two (God or being loyal to my country), I would say fu-k vietnam, fu-k viets. I just don't see why you post something so stupid.
Vietpunk,
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 04:01 PM)
Vietpunk,
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 04:01 PM)
Vietpunk,
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
Thieu=Buddhist
Nhu+Diem> Thieu.
It doesn't make sense if Kenedy secured Diem because he was a Catholic, wouldn't him protect Diem instead of assasinating him (or "coup d'tat" as argued by American historians) ?
Kennedy and the Vatican and their secret deals are no conspiracies. They're just unpopular history that nobody wants to mention. As for the rest, any Viet would tell you, Flipcombatmedic, that it was all true.
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 04:01 PM)
Vietpunk,
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
Sure, you're telling that to a history major? Tell me about some of these dealings with the Vaticans to supress Buddhist majority. Explain what you know, see how much you know.
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 04:13 PM)
Kennedy and the Vatican and their secret deals are no conspiracies. They're just unpopular history that nobody wants to mention. As for the rest, any Viet would tell you, Flipcombatmedic, that it was all true.
well there's a Viet that is telling you it isn't (Vietpunk). and please do quote from a reliable post where that info could be found.
and plus think about, wouldn't they at that time be more worried of having no religion under the looming threat of the Commies?
Thiệu was born a Buddhist but later converted to a Roman Catholic. I rest my case.
Here's the truth to those who wish to deny it. But it's ok, Vietpunk. It's a popular thing to dol.
http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html#Contents
And remember, it was Lyndon Johnson who signed the bill granting full civil rights to American blacks, not your "beloved" Kennedy. If Kennedy could deny basic human rights to his own countrymen, who would think he would give a fu-k about the Vietnamese. I hope he's burning in hell along with Nhu, Diệm and Thiệu.
http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html#Contents
And remember, it was Lyndon Johnson who signed the bill granting full civil rights to American blacks, not your "beloved" Kennedy. If Kennedy could deny basic human rights to his own countrymen, who would think he would give a fu-k about the Vietnamese. I hope he's burning in hell along with Nhu, Diệm and Thiệu.
^Kennedy was going to sign it! Some say that they heard that Johnson was really mad at Kennedy (thus assssinated him [theory]) because he didn't like how he was leaning to Civil Rights. (Johnson is from West Texas)
In fact the supposed assassin, Oswald supposeldy was a White Supremacist.
And plus the war started not by Kennedy (the Catholic) but by Ike who sent "advisors" before Kennedy was in office.
In fact the supposed assassin, Oswald supposeldy was a White Supremacist.
And plus the war started not by Kennedy (the Catholic) but by Ike who sent "advisors" before Kennedy was in office.
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 04:42 PM)
Here's the truth to those who wish to deny it. But it's ok, Vietpunk. It's a popular thing to dol.
http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html#Contents
And remember, it was Lyndon Johnson who signed the bill granting full civil rights to American blacks, not your "beloved" Kennedy. If Kennedy could deny basic human rights to his own countrymen, who would think he would give a fu-k about the Vietnamese. I hope he's burning in hell along with Nhu, Diệm and Thiệu.
http://www.reformation.org/vietnam.html#Contents
And remember, it was Lyndon Johnson who signed the bill granting full civil rights to American blacks, not your "beloved" Kennedy. If Kennedy could deny basic human rights to his own countrymen, who would think he would give a fu-k about the Vietnamese. I hope he's burning in hell along with Nhu, Diệm and Thiệu.
For this post, it just remind me how some people online are. Anyone can find anything online. Do you have ANY idea who Avro Manhattan is? Stop reading crap online and think you know everything.
And I wonder if you are a Christian, if not, then why would you hope they go to hell when you aren't christian and not believe in hell. And if you are christian, then you wouldn't say that.
Vietpunk,
That book is hardly the only source. It's simply convenient because it's an accumulation of facts as have been stated before by other people including those in the US government directly involved in the conflict. But you will definitely deny those facts too, because you don't know about it, therefore they're not true. To rediscover those facts take time which is not the point of this post.
Undeniable facts (or deniable in your case)
Both presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics.
Diệm overthrew Bảo Đại, elected himself president. First Catholic scum.
Diệm suppressed Vietnamese Buddhists. Buddhist blood was spilled.
Buddhist monks and a nun burnt themselves in protest.
Diệm and his brother Nhu were executed. Another brother was later tried and executed. Nhu's wife, a Catholic whore, fled. If she had stayed, she would have been crucified.
First presidential election held in South Vietnam.
Thiệu elected himself president. Second Catholic scum in charge.
Thiệu fled just right before the collapse of South Vietnam.
Little Saigon in Orange County, California is still being run by Catholic scums.
I'm an atheist with a Buddhist upbringing, YES!
That book is hardly the only source. It's simply convenient because it's an accumulation of facts as have been stated before by other people including those in the US government directly involved in the conflict. But you will definitely deny those facts too, because you don't know about it, therefore they're not true. To rediscover those facts take time which is not the point of this post.
Undeniable facts (or deniable in your case)
Both presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics.
Diệm overthrew Bảo Đại, elected himself president. First Catholic scum.
Diệm suppressed Vietnamese Buddhists. Buddhist blood was spilled.
Buddhist monks and a nun burnt themselves in protest.
Diệm and his brother Nhu were executed. Another brother was later tried and executed. Nhu's wife, a Catholic whore, fled. If she had stayed, she would have been crucified.
First presidential election held in South Vietnam.
Thiệu elected himself president. Second Catholic scum in charge.
Thiệu fled just right before the collapse of South Vietnam.
Little Saigon in Orange County, California is still being run by Catholic scums.
I'm an atheist with a Buddhist upbringing, YES!
A moron was surfing the Net , he ran into a webpage written by another ignorant moron and then he suddenly discovers the truth, he knows everything about Vn history, Vn catholics, US history and Vatican.
Btw , I bet you have read the novel "Da vinci code" recently.
This moron is you, Worker bee, DO You feel uncomfortable with catholics ? Go unload your stupidity elsewhere.
Here is a place for intelligent and educated people expressing cogent ideas with serious proof.
There was a quote from someone that I forgot.
It said something like "If you want to control a group of people and not kill a single of your own soldier, then make them follow your religion." Something along those lines. Most of the white Catholic missionaries knew that when they went to all parts of the world converting non-believers.
It said something like "If you want to control a group of people and not kill a single of your own soldier, then make them follow your religion." Something along those lines. Most of the white Catholic missionaries knew that when they went to all parts of the world converting non-believers.
QUOTE (Sideley @ Mar 9 2005, 05:56 PM)
A moron was surfing the Net , he ran into a webpage written by another ignorant moron and then he suddenly discovers the truth, he knows everything about Vn history, Vn catholics, US history and Vatican.
Btw , I bet you have read the novel "Da vinci code" recently.
This moron is you, Worker bee, DO You feel uncomfortable with catholics ? Go unload your stupidity elsewhere.
Here is a place for intelligent and educated people expressing cogent ideas with serious proof.
He just has something against Catholics. This thread does not belong in serious talk because his intention coming in here was not to debate but to flame.
There's another Catholic scum in the history of Việt Nam. His name is Bảo Đại. That's right. The last king of the Nguyễn dynasty, a Catholic, the only Catholic king. Even worst, he was a convert, the worst kind of scum. While Vietnamese were suffering under French rule, and what the fu-k did he do? Nothing. That's right. No Catholics had ever stood up to their French Catholic masters. His predecessors, Hàm Nghi, Thành Thái, Duy Tân, all stood up to the French and none were Catholics. Hàm Nghi and Duy Tân were practically children when they fought the French scums. Thành Thái was not much older. But all knew what patriotism meant. It's in their blood. After all, they were Vietnamese. True Vietnamese would never allow foreign scums to run our countries, suppress our people. Vietnamese Catholics have never been true Vietnamese. Their existence is an abomination, a curse upon Việt Nam. Take that fact and shove it up your @$$, you "intelligent" Catholics.
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 11:43 PM)
There's another Catholic scum in the history of Việt Nam. His name is Bảo Đại. That's right. The last king of the Nguyễn dynasty, a Catholic, the only Catholic king. Even worst, he was a convert, the worst kind of scum. While Vietnamese were suffering under French rule, and what the fu-k did he do? Nothing. That's right. No Catholics had ever stood up to their French Catholic masters. His predecessors, Hàm Nghi, Thành Thái, Duy Tân, all stood up to the French and none were Catholics. Hàm Nghi and Duy Tân were practically children when they fought the French scums. Thành Thái was not much older. But all knew what patriotism meant. It's in their blood. After all, they were Vietnamese. True Vietnamese would never allow foreign scums to run our countries, suppress our people. Vietnamese Catholics have never been true Vietnamese. Their existence is an abomination, a curse upon Việt Nam. Take that fact and shove it up your @$$, you "intelligent" Catholics.
English language at its best. May I suggest ESL/ELL? Or THIS
You talk so much $hit about vietnamese Catholics online, but you know you don't run your mouth in real life. Why don't you talk like that to all your viet friends? I can see you as one that would be a VC if it was back in the pass.
I had my share of ESL, hahahah! By the way, it's the "past", the time before the present, not the "pass". Also, being intelligent does not mean lacking in ignorance. A person can be very intelligent and yet still be ignorant. Take the Pope, supreme ruler of the Catholic clan, for example. He is certainly a very intelligent man. Recently, he tried to apologize to the Jews for all the wrongs that Catholics as a whole had done to the Jews. However, he couldn't be specific. He was very vague and pervasive. He couldn't name names. It was Pople Pius X who ruled Vatican during World War II and yet did nothing to stop the genocide committed against the Jews by Hitler. Up to this day, Hitler was never excommunicated by the Catholic church. The current Pope apparently is unaware of this. Now that's ignorance from a very intelligent man. Take this fact and shove it up your whatever, you Catholics.
worker_bee is right colonialism has brainwashed the native to think that the colonial are better than them. The Viet-catholic is trying to be accepted to fit in with the colonial. Is called the 'colonial mentality" so of course they would selflessly serve the white man adopt their culture and even interracial marriage just to be accepted. Same situation in America--Asian women and Caucasian men has the highest interracial marriage rate. Asian women marry white men to "Maximized" their status...
hmm but complaining is no good….better pray that you'll born white next life lol
hmm but complaining is no good….better pray that you'll born white next life lol
yes yes, tell the pope to lauch his nuclear warhead at hitler from the cathedral. You have issues. You don't know anything about excommunication in the catholic church. From a third point of view, why does it make a different to excommunication a dead guy who is probably in hell anyways? What different does it make? You are just a catholic hater, I doubt you'll find any support with your arguments.
being catholic isn't about being with a group or trying to accept colonial rule, it is being with God. Do you know how many viets martyrs die BECAUSE they wanted to be catholics...because they were devoted? Asian women and caucasian men has the highest interracial marriage rate? I swear it could have been blacks and whites....
QUOTE (GenomVirues @ Mar 10 2005, 12:29 AM)
worker_bee is right colonialism has brainwashed the native to think that the colonial are better than them. The Viet-catholic is trying to be accepted to fit in with the colonial. Is called the 'colonial mentality" so of course they would selflessly serve the white man adopt their culture and even interracial marriage just to be accepted. Same situation in America--Asian women and Caucasian men has the highest interracial marriage rate. Asian women marry white men to "Maximized" their status...
hmm but complaining is no good….better pray that you'll born white next life lol
hmm but complaining is no good….better pray that you'll born white next life lol
being catholic isn't about being with a group or trying to accept colonial rule, it is being with God. Do you know how many viets martyrs die BECAUSE they wanted to be catholics...because they were devoted? Asian women and caucasian men has the highest interracial marriage rate? I swear it could have been blacks and whites....
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 11:43 PM)
There's another Catholic scum in the history of Việt Nam. His name is Bảo Đại. That's right. The last king of the Nguyễn dynasty, a Catholic, the only Catholic king. Even worst, he was a convert, the worst kind of scum. While Vietnamese were suffering under French rule, and what the fu-k did he do? Nothing. That's right. No Catholics had ever stood up to their French Catholic masters. His predecessors, Hàm Nghi, Thành Thái, Duy Tân, all stood up to the French and none were Catholics. Hàm Nghi and Duy Tân were practically children when they fought the French scums. Thành Thái was not much older. But all knew what patriotism meant. It's in their blood. After all, they were Vietnamese. True Vietnamese would never allow foreign scums to run our countries, suppress our people. Vietnamese Catholics have never been true Vietnamese. Their existence is an abomination, a curse upon Việt Nam. Take that fact and shove it up your @$$, you "intelligent" Catholics.
When did he convert to Christian?
i think it's conservatism, worker bee has the traditionalist wave over him. he thinks, Western ( ironically in fact Christianity is Asian) religion crept up to VN thus it is losing the "old ways". thus he blows this stuff out of proportion.
buddhism btw, isn't from vietnam either.
buddhism btw, isn't from vietnam either.
Worker Bee (you dumb commie) what about the plight of religion in 2005? Communists govt treats every religion with respect and there is religious freedom as guaranteed in its bylaw?
Now in vietnam, if you're catholic you're screwed. If you're Buddhist you're screwed. If you believe in anything besides a corrupt, immoral, athetistic communist society then you are consider unpatriotic. Damn...worker bee...the name is very becoming because it befits a mindless machine...you are either really dumb...or you're dumb and arrogant enough to think people don't see through your lies and distortion.
Damn...for those uneducated in US history...Kennedy was talking about civil rights for Black Americans long before Johnson. Kennedy pressed for such a bill and it was only on his death when Johnson took over the remaining two years of Kennedy's term did Johnson building on the momentum of Kennedy's popularity had the political clout to press for the Civil Right Act and the Great Society Program. Johnson was carrying out Kennedy's vision. It was also under Johnson that American involvement in Vietnam intensified.
As for Kennedy's legacy, he shouldn't burn in hell but at least should spend sometime in pugatory. He supported a CIA led coup to overthrow (and assasinate) President Ngo Dinh Diem, the only man who had the guts to wage total war against you Chinese-Soviet-puppet-communist scums who call yourselves Viet. Kennedy died shortly after Diem was killed. Karma?
QUOTE
“If anyone has replaced the long dead communist Uncle Ho, it is an aged monk named Thich Huyen Quang, the abbot of the outlawed United Buddhist Church of Vietnam, who has been imprisoned without trial since last December. When authorities moved to arrest Thich Huyen Quang late last year, a dozen monks and laymen were planning to immolate themselves to protest religious oppression. The last thing Hanoi could afford was to have pictures of monks going up in flames flashed across the global media.”
http://www.fva.org/0595/monk.html
Vietnam: Buddhist Dissident Forced to Fleehttp://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06/23/vietna8943.htm
Vietnam: Independent Investigation of Easter Week Atrocities Needed Nowhttp://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/27/vietna8625.htm
Human Rights Conditions in Vietnam http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/29/vietna6887.htm
Vietnam: Refugee Monk's Arrest a Mockery of Justicehttp://www.hrw.org/press/2003/09/vietnam091703.htm
http://www.fva.org/0595/monk.html
Vietnam: Buddhist Dissident Forced to Fleehttp://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06/23/vietna8943.htm
Vietnam: Independent Investigation of Easter Week Atrocities Needed Nowhttp://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/27/vietna8625.htm
Human Rights Conditions in Vietnam http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/29/vietna6887.htm
Vietnam: Refugee Monk's Arrest a Mockery of Justicehttp://www.hrw.org/press/2003/09/vietnam091703.htm
Now in vietnam, if you're catholic you're screwed. If you're Buddhist you're screwed. If you believe in anything besides a corrupt, immoral, athetistic communist society then you are consider unpatriotic. Damn...worker bee...the name is very becoming because it befits a mindless machine...you are either really dumb...or you're dumb and arrogant enough to think people don't see through your lies and distortion.
QUOTE
And remember, it was Lyndon Johnson who signed the bill granting full civil rights to American blacks, not your "beloved" Kennedy. If Kennedy could deny basic human rights to his own countrymen, who would think he would give a fu-k about the Vietnamese. I hope he's burning in hell along with Nhu, Diệm and Thiệu.
Damn...for those uneducated in US history...Kennedy was talking about civil rights for Black Americans long before Johnson. Kennedy pressed for such a bill and it was only on his death when Johnson took over the remaining two years of Kennedy's term did Johnson building on the momentum of Kennedy's popularity had the political clout to press for the Civil Right Act and the Great Society Program. Johnson was carrying out Kennedy's vision. It was also under Johnson that American involvement in Vietnam intensified.
As for Kennedy's legacy, he shouldn't burn in hell but at least should spend sometime in pugatory. He supported a CIA led coup to overthrow (and assasinate) President Ngo Dinh Diem, the only man who had the guts to wage total war against you Chinese-Soviet-puppet-communist scums who call yourselves Viet. Kennedy died shortly after Diem was killed. Karma?
QUOTE (worker_bee @ Mar 9 2005, 04:01 PM)
Vietpunk,
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
You just made my point. As for Kennedy, you don't know jack about him and
his secret dealings with Vatican to mess with Vietnam's politics and to put
Catholics in power in order to suppress the Buddhist majority. Even an idiot like
yourself can remember or at least find out from history books that the two
presidents of South Vietnam were Catholics as well as most of the cronies in their
government. It was a well known fact that when South Vietnam was still on the
world map, one had to be a Catholic in order to obtain a good position in the
government.
Go read the "National Security Archive" at George Washington U. Last October classified information during Nixon Administration have been released.
According to these documents, South Vietnam fell because Nixon had abandoned Vietnam for China. Kissinger told Nixon that SVN should fall in December 1970. Today Kissinger was surprise because the war last until April 1975.
Besides help from jerk like John Kerry and b!tch like Jane Fonda trying to stop US support for SVN, Nixon did not ask US Congress to approve financial aids to SVN There were no money, no bullets for South Vietnamese Arm Forces to fight Communists. Nixon IS a real crook.
According to these documents, South Vietnam fell because Nixon had abandoned Vietnam for China. Kissinger told Nixon that SVN should fall in December 1970. Today Kissinger was surprise because the war last until April 1975.
Besides help from jerk like John Kerry and b!tch like Jane Fonda trying to stop US support for SVN, Nixon did not ask US Congress to approve financial aids to SVN There were no money, no bullets for South Vietnamese Arm Forces to fight Communists. Nixon IS a real crook.
I don't think this fool reads much besides anything that is not state-approved.
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Mar 16 2005, 03:47 PM)
Go read the "National Security Archive" at George Washington U. Last October classified information during Nixon Administration have been released.
According to these documents, South Vietnam fell because Nixon had abandoned Vietnam for China. Kissinger told Nixon that SVN should fall in December 1970. Today Kissinger was surprise because the war last until April 1975.
Besides help from jerk like John Kerry and b!tch like Jane Fonda trying to stop US support for SVN, Nixon did not ask US Congress to approve financial aids to SVN There were no money, no bullets for South Vietnamese Arm Forces to fight Communists. Nixon IS a real crook.
According to these documents, South Vietnam fell because Nixon had abandoned Vietnam for China. Kissinger told Nixon that SVN should fall in December 1970. Today Kissinger was surprise because the war last until April 1975.
Besides help from jerk like John Kerry and b!tch like Jane Fonda trying to stop US support for SVN, Nixon did not ask US Congress to approve financial aids to SVN There were no money, no bullets for South Vietnamese Arm Forces to fight Communists. Nixon IS a real crook.
First of all, Roman Catholic Church has been corrupted since Constantine I. Christianity has strayed from the teaching of Christ ever since. It has problem choosing between power and prestige or stay true to the teaching.
QUOTE (soro_i @ Mar 17 2005, 07:07 AM)
First of all, Roman Catholic Church has been corrupted since Constantine I. Christianity has strayed from the teaching of Christ ever since. It has problem choosing between power and prestige or stay true to the teaching.
Another seemingly random and generalized comments stated like a fact
....a gross logical fallacy...do some people not understand what it means to analyze something on a deep level or at least argue something substantively...
QUOTE (herosword @ Mar 18 2005, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (soro_i @ Mar 17 2005, 07:07 AM)
First of all, Roman Catholic Church has been corrupted since Constantine I. Christianity has strayed from the teaching of Christ ever since. It has problem choosing between power and prestige or stay true to the teaching.
Another seemingly random and generalized comments stated like a fact
....a gross logical fallacy...do some people not understand what it means to analyze something on a deep level or at least argue something substantively...Please show us how. LOL
There are very many patriotic Vietnamese Catholics, but for those who put the Vatican before Vietnam, they should not hold positions of power.
QUOTE (englander @ Mar 20 2005, 06:28 AM)
There are very many patriotic Vietnamese Catholics, but for those who put the Vatican before Vietnam, they should not hold positions of power.
It's really bad to mix religions and politics. We don't do it here in America. However, everyone knows that Viet Congs are infidels. What are you? An elementary school student from Poland?
QUOTE (herosword @ Mar 18 2005, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (soro_i @ Mar 17 2005, 07:07 AM)
First of all, Roman Catholic Church has been corrupted since Constantine I. Christianity has strayed from the teaching of Christ ever since. It has problem choosing between power and prestige or stay true to the teaching.
Another seemingly random and generalized comments stated like a fact
....a gross logical fallacy...do some people not understand what it means to analyze something on a deep level or at least argue something substantively...Apparently you're not a Catholic. Not even a Christian.
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