These questions are for Christians who are not Catholic. I just want to ask what is you demonination's views on sex before marriage, divorces, use of contraception, abortion, pornography, and masturbation. What do they teach you guys?

Well me personality, I dont like it, its a sin, and its called fornication and adultury. But besides the point lets hear what the Holy Word of God has to say on this one:
The Bible declares these words in 1 Thessalonians 5:22-23:

"Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Young people today need to be taught to abstain from sexual intercourse and remain pure virgins before marriage. So many problems in marriages today stem from the fact that they are not virgins when they marry. Young people are bringing wounded emotions and diseased bodies into their marriages because of prior promiscuous affairs. STDs (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) are so widespread that the statistics are shocking. There are 12 million new cases of STDs annually in the United states and 67% of these occur among persons under the age of 25.

The sin of fornication is not only defined as illicit sexual intercourse between those who are not married but also is an umbrella for other sexual sins as well. The Bible also speaks of the sin of incest as fornication in 1 Corinthians 5:1:

"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife."

The Bible also lists whoremongers as fornicators in Revelation 21:8:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

This second death is Hell. Eternal Damnation, and Separation from the Most High God.

God gave us the laws in the Bible for our good. They are not meant to deny us any good thing but they are given so we can enjoy the proper sexual relationship in the proper time. If we obey the words of the Bible and "flee fornication" and glorify God in our bodies, the Lord will bless us beyond what we could believe.

Psalm 145:17-21: "The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works. The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them. The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever."

And My opion correlates with those holy and sacred scriptures.

“ In a sense, the religious person must have no real views of his own and it is presumptuous of him, in fact, to have any. In regard to sex-love affairs, to marriage and family relations, to business, to politics, and to virtually everything else that is important in his life, he must try to discover what his god and his clergy would like him to do; and he must primarily do their bidding.”
- Albert Ellis

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to me it doesn't realy matter cuz many christiansm despite their denominations, participate in them anyway.

pre-marital sex. I"m all for it.

Those who truly follow Jesus's teachings would know for the bible says to "flee" from fornication, thus to free from sex before marriage.

Why so many Roman Catholic priests banging their altar boys? Is there any loophole in the teaching

^ None! Catholics are just as confused as any other non-Christian..Even though they are in the ball park, they still believe in other pegan myths, like theres a realm between Heaven and Hell that you can go to, or they worship the virgin mary, and see her as divine. And they pray to St.Peter or St.Paul. They are very different from Christianity in a LOT of ways. We take the Holy Bible seriously and literally, they see it as just a something to take seriously, but yet change it and twist it.

^ Mazzu, which sect do you belong to then?

I have been wondering about this for sometime. As you know, I am an atheist and whilst I have respect for Christians and most of their beliefs whilst not sharing in them....I do have problems with the Roman Catholics.

(Obviously not so much in the belief part as I am not a Christian but rather in the practice...)

Sorry to wonder off-point, again, what sect do you belong to?

a sect? As in like Christianity sect (Baptist, Pentacost, Lutheran,etc.)? I am Non-Denominated. Meaning my doctrine is strictly from the Holy Bible.

Obviously you don't know Catholic practices and assume (crap about how we view Mary, or confessions). And wtf is "They are very different from Christianity" when the fact is Catholics are the first (and only true, but I won't get into that) Christians. And Catholics "twist" and "change" the bible? Explain? examples?

^ Catholic has 6 extra books in the old testimony.....They believe a lot of stuff which isn't in the bible it self. You guys don't worship Mary, but use her to get closer to Christ. You guys believe that Salvation is granted after you die... everyone is sinful, and every Christian denominations and church have different Christian Dogma and Opinion, but as along as our doctrine is "Jesus is the only through life” then we are 1.

I agree, 100%

No you don't. I believe Coung knows what he's talking about, but you..... I don't know your comment shows how much you really know.

^ You dont know me. Also Catholics are not the True Christians, The Judeo-Christians are the True Christians, in fact they came WAY before Catholics did. Why? Because they are the very ones who experience Jesus's life. We are just the Gentiles. The Jews themselves who believe in Jesus was the first before the Catholics...So if you think that Catholics are the true ones..Then you are mistaken, the Jews themselves are God's chosen people. So they are the original Christians. The Protestants, which is non-Catholics who are Christians, are in a better lead then the Catholics...Because since the Medival Age or the Dark Ages. Catholics has changed God's times and laws just as the prophet Daniel has spoken. And killed many Christians because of they difference, And called it Heracy. just as the Priest did when they called Jesus a heracy to Mose's laws.

BUT inspite of all that, If we believe in Jesus we are STILL consider as one body of Christ.

Um... Myh original question was that you wrote "They are very different from Christianity in a LOT of ways" which I found quite funny. So I guess you think Catholic is another religion, like buddhism, or hinduism?

Catholic IS a different religion.. Its called Catholicism...Just like Christians are called Christianity. They dont mixed with each other, Thats why the Protestants were made, because many people didnt like how Catholicism changed God's times and laws.

^^ Ohh my.....hahaha. No wonder anlong and skepticguuy argues with you all the time, because you don't even know. Wow, he thinks catholics are non-christians....
EDIT: so when you read your history books, and it mentions "christians" and it was before the time of protestants.....who do you think of?

Let me ask you this, why would Catholicism change God's times and laws as the prophet Daniel has spoken of? If you really dont understand that question, look at your papacy.

I think of Christians before the protestants was the Judeo-Christians not the Catholics. The Catholics wasnt created until the Romans accepted Christianity, yet re-changed it with pegan myths and stories for the pegans to accept, thus made Catholicism. So you say that I dont know, when I know more then you can ever imagine.

^^ Obviously not. Examples, sincee you think your denomination is the REAL deal.

All Christians denominations are techincally the same, But Catholics and Christians are a separate religion by far. They have some similiarities, but way too many differences.

So where did you get this idea that Catholics are not Christian? How did you even think other denominations came about? And when they decided to make up their own rules when they split, did they say "I think we will make a new religion, it will be call christianity"?

Your arguments sucks, no wonder people talking to you like anlong and skepticguyy, you give a bad name to Christians. Cuong probably thinks the same.

You give a bad rep to the Most High God.

Hmmmm, I've just learnt that the first commandment was changed in the Catholic bible..........

i think these just teaches us to live by abstinence and to remain pure physically and mentally.

Christianity and Catholics are Different, not the same. They are a different religion from us. Although some principles are the same, the overall of it is comlpete different.

You need to check up on your history my friend Little do you know that every other form of christianity broke off of the Catholics. The Catholics are your forefathers. The Protestants condemn the Catholics; completely ignoring the fact that their religions in many respects parallel Catholicism and ALL christian sects had their origins in the original christian church- the Catholic Church.

oooooo that's not going to work with a "non-denominationalist." They'll just claim that they are the True ChristianTM because they take their authority straight from the Bible and not from some mere mortal in a hospital bed. Watch this spot.....I've got 5 bucks that Mazzu will commit the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

2 I bet that will happen too.

You guys are truly beginners at debating. What the heck is the fallacy? Please expain.

O Also the last time Ive checked my history, Judaism came before Catholics. Just as it is the original human history. Catholics were form after the Romans accepted Christianity, and rearranged it to fit Pegan needs, the man who done this was Constantine.

Also, dont try to rearrange my post again. All it does is prove me even righter, and you 2 even more foolish...Skeptic & Anlong. My religion is based on the Judaism Tradition as well as the Protestant Tradition. So Actually my religion would be considered as "The Way" the Real Christians...They are the very ones who witness Jesus's very life. Thats my religion. I believe in Jesus Christ as God, because He is God. and Skeptic enough with trying to rearrange with post...Do this and thats strike 3...Then you only be proving yourself even more foolish, in fact just a tad worse then the demon child Anlong, wait I take that back. Anlong worships Satan, and acknowledge him. Satan, the most defeated being in all existence, he has failed so many times to try and overthrone Jesus, off His Throne. As I said a LONG time ago...Im on the winning team.

Just curious so what exactly is the name of this religious order that you belong to Mazzu? And which version of the Bible do you study from?

2 We are "beginners" at debating but you don't know what a fallacy is? 2

Google and a dictionary are your friends, Mazzu. Try looking it up.



Judaism came before Christianity, yes. Catholicism was the official religion of Rome as promoted by Constantine. At that time, Catholicism crushed its other Christian-sect competition in the Council of Nicea. Other forms of Christianity existed but Catholicism won out by majority vote and they were the ones who decided which books would be included in the official Bible. This was the ONLY recognized Christianity at the time and this brand is what decided what books the Bible (which you claim is 100% accurate) would include. Other Christians of the time had different ideas but they were shut out.

Not until the 1500's did Protestantism rise in opposition to Catholicsm. So, YOUR brand of non-denominationalism is VERY late in the history of Christianity. But, then again, 20th and 21st century Christianity looks like nothing that has ever come before.

[Mazzu-insert No True Scotsman Fallacy here]



"righter"?



You are no more in line with 1st century Christians than the Catholics you despise. I cannot begin to educate someone like you who makes such a statement and uses words like "righter." You really are a lost cause. But I love your posts. You're a constant source of (if not irritation) great amusement. Keep it up!

^You are a lost cause Skeptic, truly a completely blinded man, you havent seen the light yet. You still wonder in darkness, of course you may see physically, but spiritually? Your spirit's judgement is way too clouded. Dont you get it! Dont you understand that Jesus loves you? And PLEASE for the last millionth time do not rearrange my post, as I said before, youre just presenting a kids maturity level. I pity you Skeptic, but most of all, I pity your children.

You are a lost cause, Mazzu, truly a completely blinded man, you haven't used Google yet. You still wonder in darkness (I love the irony of your word choice!), of course you may see physically, but intellectually? Your intellect is way too clouded. Don't you get it! Dont you understand that Google is your friend? And PLEASE for the last millionth time do not ignore my post,a s I said before, your just presenting a kids maturity level. I pity you Mazzu, but most of all, I pity any children you are thinking of having. "I wish you'd just go ahead and castrate yourself!" (with all due apologies to Galatians 5:12)

^Go read Dr.Seuss Skeptic, it seems like to still act like a kid. I feel sorry that your children is being raised by another child. Sad really. You need to mature abit. Get out more!

not really loving thy neighbour are you mazzu... hmm...?

Matthew 7:1-5

Cuong, I sincerely hope you were directing that toward your brother in Christ.


Mazzu, thanks for ignoring yet another post and resorting to mere insults. You are a shining example of your faith.

Yes, Judaism is the root of Christianity and Islam. Little do you know that Christianity IS a Jewish invention Yes, and the man Constantine was the one who created the bible and established christianity.



Little do you know that Protastantism is a break off of the Catholic Church. EVERY Christian sect is a break off of Catholicism.



You mean the way the Essenes believed? A little history...

About 100 B.C. a small Jewish sect, called the Essenes, originated around the area of the Dead Sea. This sect promoted ideas of self-debasement that were highly suicidal to those who embraced this creed. Toward the end of the first century C.E. this teaching evolved into Christianity, but still a purely Jewish cult.

It was regarded as a subversive and destructive movement by the mainstream of the Jewish leaders and was opposed and persecuted by them. Among the persecutors of the Christian cult was one Saul of Tarsus, a Jew, who later became Christianity’s St. Paul. One day while persecuting (Jewish) Christians, he conceived the brilliant idea of humbling and destroying the mighty Roman Empire by selling this suicidal creed, Christianity, to the Gentiles.



"Satan" or the "Devil" is the Sumerian flesh and blood God that came to earth. He was the first Nephilim to land here and created modern humans. Too bad all of this is hidden and destroyed by those who want to keep it hidden. They are all sealed in the Vatican library and many other archeological tablets were dumped into the Atlantic. Jesus is a Jewish invention. He is not real, mazzu. Judaism and Christinaity derive from the Sumerian religion which is thousands of years older.

The word of God has NOT endured because of Catholics ! The reason that other denominations came about is because the Word of God prevails throughout all time, history, religions and beliefs and in this way there will continue to be different interpretations and denominations of it.

Mazzu's argument does not suck.




How is that ? Mazzu comes to these threads and directly addresses the opening post. You guys don't like his reply and YOU lead him off topic from things in his post. All he does is reply to your insults and you say he is ignoring yet another post and resorting to mere insults ???

Mazzu comes to this forum with EDUCATED posts ! He makes such brave and bold statements that even other Christians feel reluctant and scared to back him up even though they know he speaks is the truth ! No one is brave enough to say these things that he has said about Catholics because everyone knows how big of an empire they are and that these statements will greatly offend them... yet he says them anyway because he ONLY believes in the True Church of God, which is not made up of political empires, buildings and different denominations, but simply of those that believe in God, Jesus Christ and ALL his teachings and not just some here and others there splitting people into different groups. Mazzu did not come to these threads bashing Catholics. He just answered your questions like he always does. I applaud Mazzu for standing fast to the Word of God.

Word to the Catholics: Although I agree with where Mazzu is going with this, I would not feel singled out. What he has said applies to MOST protestant Churches as well ! The Catholic Church has done and continues to do uncountable works of good in the name of God and humanity... I have seen with my own eyes the good that the Catholics have brought to the needy !


Coung and Mazzu, good to see you guys again !

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P.S. anlong7931 - why don't you put Bruce Irons charging backdoor back in your sig, at least then your posts will not be a complete waste of space !

Are you SERIOUS?



Now I know you've got to be kidding.

^ yes I am serious... why don't you read this thread again and you will see that Mazzu does not ignore any posts and as for the insults go... why don't you see who gets the brunt of the insults here.

everyone has a different personality, you may not like Mazzu's style but that does not make his posts uneducated. He does not just google to reply to these posts, his posts are original and come from studying the Bible, this makes his posts educated.

Educated posts? I beg to differ.



If you need to find it, go to the first page of "Should We Kill God?" If you think that this is an educated post, I'm sorry, you need to be educated yourself. As for insulting...I feel it's pretty clear who the insults are coming from.

^ Well like I said, everyone has a different personality... Mazzu is know to be blunt with his posts. We are all just humans and ALL off us can at times through out insults BUT I still say that Mazzu gets insulted more then any of you !

BTW I am not a spokes person for Mazzu, I just see no one backing him up and felt the need to say something and I did.

Mazzu had stated, "You guys [meaning anlong and myself] are truly beginners at debating. What the heck is the fallacy? Please expain."

He calls us beginners at debate but doesn't know what a fallacy is. That is not an educated post.

He then stated, "O Also the last time Ive checked my history, Judaism came before Catholics. Just as it is the original human history. Catholics were form after the Romans accepted Christianity, and rearranged it to fit Pegan needs, the man who done this was Constantine."

I detailed a reply to this which Mazzu responded by posting, "You are a lost cause Skeptic, truly a completely blinded man, you havent seen the light yet. You still wonder in darkness, of course you may see physically, but spiritually? Your spirit's judgement is way too clouded. Dont you get it! Dont you understand that Jesus loves you? And PLEASE for the last millionth time do not rearrange my post, as I said before, youre just presenting a kids maturity level. I pity you Skeptic, but most of all, I pity your children."

Now tell me, Ling, HOW did the respond to anything I had written regarding his assertions?



When Mazzu tries to defend his assertion that the Bible is 100% accurate in al that it claims and posts a link to a site that argues for the site of the "real" Mt. Sinai to be Jebel al Laws as proof of this assertion, and then makes another post in which he says the "real" Mt. Sinai is actually someplace else, that hardly qualifies as "educated". And that's just ONE example.



Then you haven't been keeping up, have you? WHy don't you go check out this thread: http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=31371 in which Mazzu begins by posting:



Mazzu's "1% Evidence" for the 100% accuracy of the Bible consisted of nothing but links from a Google search. What he presented was 100% UNoriginal.

You really have a twisted way of looking at things, Ling.

^ Sorry, but I don't see that post as being blunt. It's straight out ignorance and hatred towards a religion. No facts even. Just plain insults. Shows his ignorance, not his educated mind. Which apparently you say he posts with.

skepticguy - I said Mazzu does not google to REPLY to these post. Everyone here finds interesting stuff on the web that they would like to share.

chynagongju - Mazzu stands by his educated belief of other Gods being false, that does not make him ignorant or uneducated. Mazzu is educated in the Bible which is the basis for his belief and posts. This is what I meant by educated.

Anyway, I got to run but I am sure you got the drift of what I meant now so if we disagree we can just leave it at that.

Cheers

Mazzu does a bad job in representing christianity. He gives people like skeptic and anglong even more reasons to be atheists.

Of course. Wise move.



2 That he does!

But Christianity itself gives enough reasons to be an atheist without McMazzu's help. But he sure doesn't do it any good!