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ocrapdm


She people + Australoids = AUSTRONESIAN
AnybodyKiller
Maybe.. There's actually a more Chinese minorities we cluster closer to than the She people. What makes you think She over Taiwanese Native?
moppom
yes.....meet ocrap who only 3 years ago said

"no im not chinoy"..

lol...
filipinai
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Dec 15 2011, 12:23 PM) *
Maybe.. There's actually a more Chinese minorities we cluster closer to than the She people. What makes you think She over Taiwanese Native?


let's check if the SHE Culture is Similar to the Taiwan Aboriginal People that has similarities to the other Austronesian.

1st let's check if they have body tattoos as well like the Taiwan Aboriginal (Austronesian), We have similarities with these people.


(Similar with our "Batek or Batok")

The Clothing





Similar to Benguet and other tribes in the Philippines so check but check the SHE, are they similar with the weaving


Aren't they have similar clothing with the T'boli Tribe icon_smile.gif but how about the SHE .. better you post photos that similar with Austronesian people cause the one that you posted I don't see any similarities.

The Dance
Taiwan Dance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU_7P-sijOc
Taiwan Formosan Tribe Dance using the bamboo stick similar to Mangyan & Also the Bamboo Dance -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNL0l5JWnMg
Taiwan Ami Dances similar to the Austronesian including the music beat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNIAa2ybcM

The Music -
Taiwan using the bamboos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5AciGw2RY

Do they have the same Language that similar to the rest of the Austronesian?, Do they also wear bahag cause I saw Taiwan Aborigines they do wear of those? these are the characteristics of an Austronesian people. Austronesian people are always barefooted as you notice no shoes.
AnybodyKiller
Maybe there is a connection then. You know much more about Austronesian history and culture than I. embarassedlaugh.gif


I'll leave this one to you and learn off your post. biggrin.gif
filipinai
So this is a SHEZU or SHE ZU people traditional dance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQcQzR104Q

hmmm...
filipinai
I haven't seen or heard an Austronesian doing this SHE Zu Quan fighting hehehe...

did Lapu-Lapu do this to Magellan? embarassedlaugh.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh9FX_p60-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-nfKx_PDs
This is a martial arts of a She people.. I search who are She people and checking if there is similarities..

ocrapdm
QUOTE (filipinai @ Dec 16 2011, 01:58 AM) *
let's check if the SHE Culture is Similar to the Taiwan Aboriginal People that has similarities to the other Austronesian.

1st let's check if they have body tattoos as well like the Taiwan Aboriginal (Austronesian), We have similarities with these people.


(Similar with our "Batek or Batok")

The Clothing





Similar to Benguet and other tribes in the Philippines so check but check the SHE, are they similar with the weaving


Aren't they have similar clothing with the T'boli Tribe icon_smile.gif but how about the SHE .. better you post photos that similar with Austronesian people cause the one that you posted I don't see any similarities.

The Dance
Taiwan Dance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU_7P-sijOc
Taiwan Formosan Tribe Dance using the bamboo stick similar to Mangyan & Also the Bamboo Dance -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNL0l5JWnMg

The Music -
Taiwan using the bamboos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5AciGw2RY

Do they have the same Language that similar to the rest of the Austronesian?, Do they also wear bahag cause I saw Taiwan Aborigines they do wear of those? these are the characteristics of an Austronesian people. Austronesian people are always barefooted as you notice no shoes.


Well, modern She undoubtedly differed much now from the ancient She from whom the Austronesians sprung off. So there's gotta be some differences - and I mean, a LOT of differences.

For example, their original language is now not being spoken - most now speak Chinese languages.
Many of their traditions have likewise been influenced by their Han Chineseneighbors to the point that sometimes they're no longer distinguishable from the rest of the Han.
ocrapdm
QUOTE (AnybodyKiller @ Dec 16 2011, 12:23 AM) *
Maybe.. There's actually a more Chinese minorities we cluster closer to than the She people. What makes you think She over Taiwanese Native?


Taiwanese Natives are themselves a mixture of She and Proto-Ainuid Australoids.

AUSTRONESIAN PEOPLES therefore, spring from She and Proto-Ainuid hybrids in Taiwan.

So She can be considered as the forefather of the Austronesians.
filipinai
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 15 2011, 10:56 PM) *
Well, modern She undoubtedly differed much now from the ancient She from whom the Austronesians sprung off. So there's gotta be some differences - and I mean, a LOT of differences.

For example, their original language is now not being spoken - most now speak Chinese languages.
Many of their traditions have likewise been influenced by their Han Chineseneighbors to the point that sometimes they're no longer distinguishable from the rest of the Han.


But if the SHE is the original Austronesian. Because if they are original Austronesian then therefore there is similarities with the rest of the Austronesian people when it comes to language, dance, music, clothing. As far as I read that's the meaning of an Austronesian aside from Linguistic and Cultural term although there is some genetic connection to the rest of the Austronesian. Austronesia are Islands of the South.

Austronesian people usually a sea people travelling around the South East Asia, Polynesia, Micronesia, Melanesia and Madagascar using the Balangay or Balanghai to communicate and share the culture to the rest of the Austronesian Speaking People.

I am still checking the rest of the video of Austronesian people..
Austronesian People - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzsdVUEYzu4
Austronesian Speaking Countries & Territories - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbGTYx014ww
Austronesian Civilization - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSr2k4buqU
The Austronesian Heritage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShirKsUDAk
moppom
so ocrap


do you now admit you arent chinese?
ocrapdm
QUOTE (filipinai @ Dec 16 2011, 12:14 PM) *
But if the SHE is the original Austronesian. Because if they are original Austronesian then therefore there is similarities with the rest of the Austronesian people when it comes to language, dance, music, clothing. As far as I read that's the meaning of an Austronesian aside from Linguistic and Cultural term although there is some genetic connection to the rest of the Austronesian. Austronesia are Islands of the South.

Austronesian people usually a sea people travelling around the South East Asia, Polynesia, Micronesia, Melanesia and Madagascar using the Balangay or Balanghai to communicate and share the culture to the rest of the Austronesian Speaking People.

I am still checking the rest of the video of Austronesian people..
Austronesian People - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzsdVUEYzu4
Austronesian Speaking Countries & Territories - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbGTYx014ww
Austronesian Civilization - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSr2k4buqU
The Austronesian Heritage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShirKsUDAk


Well, there is only a slight similarity because Austronesian culture itself was borne out of the mixing of the She (which reflected Mainland Southeast Asian) culture AND the Proto-Ainuid culture.

I can even delineate the origins of Austronesian culture from these two:

From the SHE (or Ancient She)
* Agriculture in general (e.g., farming).
* Basic technology in farming.
* Writing in bamboo or plants.
* Belief in a Supreme God amongst the pantheons of spirit-dwellers.
* Importance of family; clannishness
* Importance of singing as a social event
* Rice and majority of "Austronesian" cuisine.
* Native medicine

From the PROTO-AINUID
* Fishing
* Fondness for wearing earrings and other pendants.
* Elaborate manners of dressing.
* Basic architecture (e.g., nipa hut from cogon leaves)
* Tattooing
* Hunting and the basic implements for hunting
* Animism
* Long faces and deep set eyes of many Austronesians.
* Extended family.

As you can see, the combination of all these characteristics give birth to the AUSTRONESIAN CULTURE.

Ainu houses, much like the Austronesian nipa hut found in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Pacific Islands:


ocrapdm
QUOTE (moppom @ Dec 16 2011, 01:02 PM) *
so ocrap


do you now admit you arent chinese?


Well, I'll admit, if you find any post from me that says the same thing. Hahaha.
Graham_Cracker07
EDIT: accidentally posted in the wrong thread. Moved post to "Philippines genetic distance between other Asians as compared to Eurpe, Autosomal study!" thread
filipinai
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 16 2011, 12:52 AM) *
Well, there is only a slight similarity because Austronesian culture itself was borne out of the mixing of the She (which reflected Mainland Southeast Asian) culture AND the Proto-Ainuid culture.

I can even delineate the origins of Austronesian culture from these two:

From the SHE (or Ancient She)
* Agriculture in general (e.g., farming).
* Basic technology in farming.
* Writing in bamboo or plants.
* Belief in a Supreme God amongst the pantheons of spirit-dwellers.
* Importance of family; clannishness
* Importance of singing as a social event
* Rice and majority of "Austronesian" cuisine.
* Native medicine

From the PROTO-AINUID
* Fishing
* Fondness for wearing earrings and other pendants.
* Elaborate manners of dressing.
* Basic architecture (e.g., nipa hut from cogon leaves)
* Tattooing
* Hunting and the basic implements for hunting
* Animism
* Long faces and deep set eyes of many Austronesians.
* Extended family.

As you can see, the combination of all these characteristics give birth to the AUSTRONESIAN CULTURE.

Ainu houses, much like the Austronesian nipa hut found in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Pacific Islands:


Is there any scientific evidence for the SHE to Claim that they are the Original Inhabitants of the Austronesian?

like DNA's. So they also have tattoo ...what kind of tattoo because most of the Austronesian they have certain symbolic with their tattoo...
like how they design their clothes. I read that they detected some Austronesian to the Southern Ethnic Group of China (NON-HAN CHINESE) but I don't know it's in wikipedia where I get this information. because in Wikipedia anybody can just update it..but if it's true there is also posibility that the Austronesian from Taiwan is the one who went to this area because most of the Autronesian culture and people is living in Taiwan than in China. But these people are not Han Chinese. Based on the location of Taiwan and South China, Austronesian are well known with "Balangay" so it's easy to travel crossing Taiwan to China.

QUOTE
Genetic studies

Genetic studies have been done on the people and related groups.[20] The Haplogroup O1 (Y-DNA)a-M119 genetic marker is frequently detected in Austronesians, as well as some ethnic minorities in China (southern non-Han Chinese).[21] Other genetic markers found in native Austronesian populations are Haplogroup C (Y-DNA) and Haplogroup O3 (Y-DNA).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austronesian_peoples

Do the SHE people used the "Balangay" or "Balanghai" (Sailboat) of the Austronesian.

Like the Taiwanese Aboriginals



Philippine Balangay


New Zealand "Maori" Balangay


History of the Va’a
(Source: Wikipedia)

Va’a have been traveling the Pacific Ocean for more than 4,000 years. In around 2,000 BC a wave of seafaring people emerged from Asia and ventured out into the Eastern Pacific Ocean, for the first time in Human history. The earliest va’a are thought to have originated at this time and we now know that ancient Polynesians and their ancestors settled the most remote islands of the Pacific in single and double hull va’a. These canoes were often sailing vessels and could be much larger than today’s racing V6. When the first Europeans arrived in Polynesia, sailing va’as of up to 30 meters in length were recorded, designed for long ocean passages.

Va’a were originally developed by the Austronesian speaking peoples of the islands of Southeast Asia for sea travel, and were used to transport these peoples both eastward to Polynesia and New Zealand and westward across the Indian Ocean as far as Madagascar during the Austronesian migration period. Even today, it is mostly among the Austronesian groups (Malay, Micronesian, Melanesian and Polynesian peoples) that va’a are used.

Va’a for fishing are also used among certain non-Austronesian groups, like the Sinhala in Sri Lanka, where they are known as oruwa, as well as among some people groups in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

When Magellan’s ships first encountered the Chamorros of the Mariana Islands in 1521, Antonio Pigafetta recorded that the Chamorros’ sailboats far surpassed Magellan’s in speed and maneuverability.

The Polynesian Voyaging Society has two double hull sailing va’a, Hōkūle’a and Hawai’iloa, and sails them between various islands in the Pacific using traditional Polynesian navigation methods without instruments.

The technology has persisted into the modern age. Va’a can be quite large fishing or transport vessels, and in the Philippines, outrigger canoes (called bangka, parao or balanghai) are often fitted with petrol engines. The links between seafaring and outrigger canoes in the Philippines extend through to political life, in which the smallest political unit in the country still called Barangay after the historical Balanghai outrigger proas used in the original migrations of the first Austronesian peoples across the archipelago and beyond.

Malay Seafarers Vikings

This is how the Austronesian travelled around the South East Asia to Pacific
martin_nuke
Actually is easier to travel via Balagay from Taiwan to China or Japan than Taiwan to the Philippines because of the Kuroshio Current.
filipinai
QUOTE (martin_nuke @ Dec 16 2011, 02:46 AM) *
Actually is easier to travel via Balagay from Taiwan to China or Japan than Taiwan to the Philippines because of the Kuroshio Current.


yeah that's what I thought also ..about the posibility that Austronesian from Taiwan are the one who went to South China to influence this people with the Austronesian Culture & if the Genetic is true then they are Austronesian but I rather believe that it's originated in Taiwan than in China though icon_smile.gif and yup Japan is close to Taiwan too..
maybe there is also Austronesian migrated in Japan hahaha.... well who knows biggrin.gif
martin_nuke
The only way to travel from Taiwan to the Philippines is to have a Sail which has Tacking Capability and that kind of technology has not yet invented during the Austronesian Expansion.
moppom
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 16 2011, 02:01 AM) *
Well, I'll admit, if you find any post from me that says the same thing. Hahaha.



http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...56734&st=20

#33

QUOTE
3rd = No, I'm not Chinoy.


LOL
filipinai
Do you know any houses of the Austronesian with the Ivatan.. It's amazing how they did the Ivatan Houses to protect their houses from Typhoons

3 Types of Ivatan Houses in Batanes


Sinadumparan


Jin-Jin


Rakuh
Fictionicon
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 15 2011, 08:32 AM) *


She people + Australoids = AUSTRONESIAN



i guess Ernie Chan must be a She people



filipinai
QUOTE (martin_nuke @ Dec 16 2011, 04:15 AM) *
The only way to travel from Taiwan to the Philippines is to have a Sail which has Tacking Capability and that kind of technology has not yet invented during the Austronesian Expansion.


There is 1 tribe in Southern Taiwan which is similar to our Ivatan people but If there is any problem on getting from Taiwan to Philippines so do you think that maybe the "Yami Tao" people tribe of Orchard Island who is similar with our Ivatan people came from the Philippines to Taiwan? hmmm there is 14 different ethnic tribes of Taiwan.
There's a lot of Filipinos Ethnic Tribe also in the Philippines which I think is more larger than the Taiwan. I am also wondering or maybe the Austronesian heritage origin is in the Philippines hmm what do you think cause I read it's probably from Taiwan or Philippines those two then it was spread out to all South East Asia and Pacific. Ivatan are also well known in building ships.

14 Ethnic Tribes in Taiwan

Amis
Atayal
Bunun
Kavalan
Paiwan
Puyuma
Rukai
Saisiat
Sakizaya
Seediq
Thao
Truku
Tsou
Yami


Read more: http://www.taiwan-travel-experience.com/ab...l#ixzz1glr62xXZ

http://www.taiwan-travel-experience.com/ab...ine-people.html

Here is some of the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHGUr6HEow


Yami Tao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRjOquszLwM
Yami Tao people

This is the modern Yami Tao House

http://www.taiwan-travel-experience.com/ab...ine-people.html

Yami Tao Boathouse
martin_nuke
There is an Australoid looking Tribe in Taiwan Orchid Islands and they are called the Batans and they look similar to the Aetas.
filipinai
QUOTE (martin_nuke @ Dec 17 2011, 01:44 AM) *
There is an Australoid looking Tribe in Taiwan Orchid Islands and they are called the Batans and they look similar to the Aetas.




yeah they look like Aetas so what do you think? is it from the Philippines migration to Taiwan or Taiwan to Philippines?

martin_nuke
I still do not know still have to gather more data to determine which is which.

I may also be both ways.
Graham_Cracker07
QUOTE (filipinai @ Dec 17 2011, 01:14 AM) *


yeah they look like Aetas so what do you think? is it from the Philippines migration to Taiwan or Taiwan to Philippines?


according to this study, Taiwanese Aborigines have almost as much Australoid blood as Filipinos do. They have around 30%, Filipinos have around 35%

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/03/pan-a...m-analysis.html

Taiwanese Aborigines are "AX-AM" & "AX-AT" in the chart. Lowland Filipinos (Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Visayans) are "PI-UB", "PI-UI", and "PI-UN"

Maybe Taiwanese Negritos went extinct because it's such a small island compared to the Philippines, and there are less places where they could go and isolate themselves and preserve their race. So they mixed with Taiwanese Aborigines, and went extinct through inter-breeding.
ocrapdm
QUOTE (Graham_Cracker07 @ Dec 17 2011, 03:58 PM) *
according to this study, Taiwanese Aborigines have almost as much Australoid blood as Filipinos do. They have around 30%, Filipinos have around 35%

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/03/pan-a...m-analysis.html

Taiwanese Aborigines are "AX-AM" & "AX-AT" in the chart. Lowland Filipinos (Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Visayans) are "PI-UB", "PI-UI", and "PI-UN"

Maybe Taiwanese Negritos went extinct because it's such a small island compared to the Philippines, and there are less places where they could go and isolate themselves and preserve their race. So they mixed with Taiwanese Aborigines, and went extinct through inter-breeding.


PRECISELY!!

Why do TAIWANESE ABORIGINES, the Pure Austronesians, have AUSTRALOID BLOOD??

Well, simple. It's because they are actually SHE PEOPLES MIXED WITH AUSTRALOID.

This mixture gave birth to the Austronesian Peoples!!!
filipinai
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 17 2011, 04:04 AM) *
PRECISELY!!

Why do TAIWANESE ABORIGINES, the Pure Austronesians, have AUSTRALOID BLOOD??

Well, simple. It's because they are actually SHE PEOPLES MIXED WITH AUSTRALOID.

This mixture gave birth to the Austronesian Peoples!!!


Do the SHE people have Balangay to travel in Taiwan? Because Austronesian Taiwan Aboriginal used Balanghai or sailboat so there is possibility for them to travel in southern china that they probably expand the Austronesian Culture in China.

Balanghai usually lift families from Island to Island & the Negritos I believe came from it's either from Africa or Melanesia from Fiji that's why we have Agta/Aeta/Ati tribes & to get in the Philippines and expand until taiwan.. I'm not sure but there is possibility though biggrin.gif Because there's a lot more of Negritos or Indigenous Filipino that look like a Melanesian or what you called Austroloid.

ocrapdm
QUOTE (filipinai @ Dec 17 2011, 05:29 PM) *
Do the SHE people have Balangay to travel in Taiwan? Because Austronesian Taiwan Aboriginal used Balanghai or sailboat so there is possibility for them to travel in southern china that they probably expand the Austronesian Culture in China.

Balanghai usually lift families from Island to Island & the Negritos I believe came from it's either from Africa or Melanesia from Fiji that's why we have Agta/Aeta/Ati tribes & to get in the Philippines and expand until taiwan.. I'm not sure but there is possibility though biggrin.gif Because there's a lot more of Negritos or Indigenous Filipino that look like a Melanesian or what you called Austroloid.


Maybe or they prolly used a precursor to the balanghais.

Negritos and other Australoids migrated from Africa via the Middle East and to India.

It was only in India were the soon-to-be Whites (Caucasian and East Asians) went northward to Central Asia, while the soon-to-be-"Neo-Blacks" (Australoids) went east or southward to Southeast Asia.

From the Central Asian branch, there were at least FOUR migrations to what is now Yunnan Plateau in China. The SOUTHERNMOST MIGRANTS (light brown skin) became the Daic Mon-Khmer, and Austro-Asiatic peoples, the MIDDLE BRANCH MIGRANTS (whitish-yellowish skin) became the Miao-Yao and Viet peoples, while the NORTHERNMOST MIGRANTS (who obviously maintained their lighter skin because of geography) became the Han Chinese. The last migration from Central Asia (very pale white skin) produced the Altaic peoples: the Mongols, Siberians, Koreans, and Japanese.

Meanwhile, the Southeast Asian branch were being pushed southward by incursions of Daic, Mon-Khmer, and Austro-Asiatic peoples, while at the same time admixing with them! This is the reason why Southeast Asians got their darker skin color and quite a handful of Australoid features (such as deep set eyes, wide noses, thicker lips, etc.).

The pure Australoids were thus pushed on to Australia and Melanesia, while the rest of their original domain has been settled by Mongoloids, who more or less intermarried with them.

According to Cavalli-Sforza, there are only THREE MAJOR RACES in the WORLD today: the AFRICAN, the EURASIAN (includes the Whites, Middle Easterners, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Siberians, Mongols), and the AUSTRALIAN (includes Australoids, Negritos, and Southeast Asians).
filipinai
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 17 2011, 05:22 AM) *
Maybe or they prolly used a precursor to the balanghais.

Negritos and other Australoids migrated from Africa via the Middle East and to India.

It was only in India were the soon-to-be Whites (Caucasian and East Asians) went northward to Central Asia, while the soon-to-be-"Neo-Blacks" (Australoids) went east or southward to Southeast Asia.

From the Central Asian branch, there were at least FOUR migrations to what is now Yunnan Plateau in China. The SOUTHERNMOST MIGRANTS (light brown skin) became the Daic Mon-Khmer, and Austro-Asiatic peoples, the MIDDLE BRANCH MIGRANTS (whitish-yellowish skin) became the Miao-Yao and Viet peoples, while the NORTHERNMOST MIGRANTS (who obviously maintained their lighter skin because of geography) became the Han Chinese. The last migration from Central Asia (very pale white skin) produced the Altaic peoples: the Mongols, Siberians, Koreans, and Japanese.

Meanwhile, the Southeast Asian branch were being pushed southward by incursions of Daic, Mon-Khmer, and Austro-Asiatic peoples, while at the same time admixing with them! This is the reason why Southeast Asians got their darker skin color and quite a handful of Australoid features (such as deep set eyes, wide noses, thicker lips, etc.).

The pure Australoids were thus pushed on to Australia and Melanesia, while the rest of their original domain has been settled by Mongoloids, who more or less intermarried with them.

According to Cavalli-Sforza, there are only THREE MAJOR RACES in the WORLD today: the AFRICAN, the EURASIAN (includes the Whites, Middle Easterners, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Siberians, Mongols), and the AUSTRALIAN (includes Australoids, Negritos, and Southeast Asians).


There's also possibility that our Negritos came from Papua New Guinea not exactly from Africa which is closer to the Polynesia, Micronesia, Melanesia and South East Asia. Austronesian expanded until Papua New Guinea.

Papua New Guinea's similar with the Ati Tribe of Panay & Fiji



Ati Tribe of Panay



Papua New Guinea is just closer to Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines with the rest of Polynesia, Micronesia and Melanesia.

Based from the Map
ocrapdm
QUOTE (filipinai @ Dec 17 2011, 06:28 PM) *
There's also possibility that our Negritos came from Papua New Guinea not exactly from Africa which is closer to the Polynesia, Micronesia, Melanesia and South East Asia.

Based from the Map


Well, ALL peoples from the world COME from Africa and Middle East.

The difference between races comes from the admixture with other Homo subspecies.

For example,
Europeans and East Asians have Homo sapiens neandertalensis mix.
Australoids have Homo sapiens denisovan mix.

Europeans initially taught the Australian Aborigines (pure AUstraloids) to be HOMO ERECTUS. And many still do believe that...


Homo erectus:
filipinai
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 17 2011, 05:41 AM) *
Well, ALL peoples from the world COME from Africa and Middle East.

The difference between races comes from the admixture with other Homo subspecies.

For example,
Europeans and East Asians have Homo sapiens neandertalensis mix.
Australoids have Homo sapiens denisovan mix.

Europeans initially taught the Australian Aborigines (pure AUstraloids) to be HOMO ERECTUS. And many still do believe that...



With all the races there is only one race .. Human Race that we all belong as one.. everyone is actually connected to each other. We group people by colors, by how they look. but sometimes we separate them by culture but in the end everyone is all connected because we belong to one race. Human Race, I Believe that there's some questions that science cannot be answer like the existence of Human Race, Planets, questions like "Which came first is it Egg or Chicken?" embarassedlaugh.gif

Where did the Rooster Came from? embarassedlaugh.gif same to Humans, There's someone out there that created all of these. Even if we tried to dig on each races there will still be question. embarassedlaugh.gif
ocrapdm
QUOTE (filipinai @ Dec 17 2011, 06:43 PM) *
With all the races there is only one race .. Human Race that we all belong as one.. everyone is actually connected to each other. We group people by colors, by how they look. but sometimes we separate them by culture but in the end everyone is all connected because we belong to one race. Human Race, I Believe that there's some questions that science cannot be answer like the existence of Human Race, Planets, questions like "Which came first is it Egg or Chicken?" embarassedlaugh.gif

Where did the Rooster Came from? embarassedlaugh.gif same to Humans.


Well, it depends.

If you view RACES as biological constructs that are immutable and definitive, than there's no such thing as race.

But if you view the term RACE as denoting a SOCIOCULTURAL construct PARTLY DEPENDENT on a group's PHYSICAL FEATURES and OTHER DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS, then there's such a thing as "Race".

True, every HUMAN BEING came from one single Male ancestor (Y-chromosomal Adam) and one single Female ancestor (mitochondrial-DNA Eve), but the variation between certain groups of humans do attest to the functionality and veracity of RACE as a concept.


Actually, the recent genetic studies (showing a Single origin for all humans - with one male and one female as the origin for all genes) does mirror what is said in the Christian faith. Also, the origins of humans being traced back to Africa and Middle East can be also connected with the Bible, because the Garden of Eden, as studied by theologians and archeologists, denotes a huge place somewhere near Iraq, Arabian Peninsula, and Ethiopia.
In fact, some zealous Christians have pinpointed Haplotypes to their founding fathers:
Descendants of Shem: Haplogroups G, H, I and J
Descendants of Japheth: Haplogroups K, L, M, N, O, P, and R
Descendants of Ham: A, B, C, D, E, and F.
filipinai
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 17 2011, 06:28 AM) *
Well, it depends.

If you view RACES as biological constructs that are immutable and definitive, than there's no such thing as race.

But if you view the term RACE as denoting a SOCIOCULTURAL construct PARTLY DEPENDENT on a group's PHYSICAL FEATURES and OTHER DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS, then there's such a thing as "Race".

True, every HUMAN BEING came from one single Male ancestor (Y-chromosomal Adam) and one single Female ancestor (mitochondrial-DNA Eve), but the variation between certain groups of humans do attest to the functionality and veracity of RACE as a concept.


Actually, the recent genetic studies (showing a Single origin for all humans - with one male and one female as the origin for all genes) does mirror what is said in the Christian faith. Also, the origins of humans being traced back to Africa and Middle East can be also connected with the Bible, because the Garden of Eden, as studied by theologians and archeologists, denotes a huge place somewhere near Iraq, Arabian Peninsula, and Ethiopia.
In fact, some zealous Christians have pinpointed Haplotypes to their founding fathers:
Descendants of Shem: Haplogroups G, H, I and J
Descendants of Japheth: Haplogroups K, L, M, N, O, P, and R
Descendants of Ham: A, B, C, D, E, and F.


Isn't Papua New Guinea's & Fijian Closer to the Ati Tribe of the Philippines in Panay, Bohol and Boracay



These are Fijian people




Our Ati Tribe some of them are lighter skinned already

Our Agta Tribe


fijian boy "Fiji" border of Melanesia


Our Aeta Tribe


These people are the "Batek Tribe" of Malaysia

We have Batak Tribe in Palawan which is similar with Batek Tribe of Malaysia.. They probably came from Papua New Guinea cause Papua New Guinea is closer to Malaysia and Indonesia going to Palawan. That's how the Batak Tribe of Palawan migration in my own opinion hehe.. based from map.
filipinai
Our Tagabawa Tribe in Davao




T'boli Tribe in South Cotabato




Mangyan Tribe

Similar with the one I first posted from Taiwan Aboriginal

Kalinga Tribe


Tausug


Talingay Woman Tribe


Ivatan Tribe Woman


Bagobo Tribe Woman

filipinai
Tingian Tribe Women




Tigwahanon Tribe of Bukidnon


Darunghuyan Tribe


Matigsaulug Tribe


Umayamnon Tribe of Bukidnon


Talaandig Tribe


Higaonon Tribe


Manobo Tribe



Ibaloi Tribe



Yakan Tribe (Basilan, Southern Mindanao)




Maranao Tribe
filipinai
Batak Tribe of Palawan Island


Tumandok Tribe from Negros



Tau't Bato Tribe of Palawan (Cave Man)


Panay-Bukidnon Tribe


Kankana-ey Tribe


Traditional Houses of our Indigenous Filipinos

Kankana-ey Benguet "Abong"


Kalinga Traditional House


Ifugao Traditional House


Subanen from Zamboanga traditional house


Panay-Bukidnon Traditional House
filipinai
Kalangbanwa (House of Pala'wani or Palawan Indigenous)


Pala'wani & Molbog (Palawan)


Pala'wani & Molbog people


Jama Mapun House


Jama Mapun Tribe



Bagobo House


Mangyan House


This is how rich the Philippines. Because of our Diverse people and culture.... beerchug.gif There's a lot more tribe..

Blaan Tribe of Mindanao

Blaan Traditional Tribal Dance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_2sEGSzkH0
filipinai
These Taiwan Aborigines is similar outfit to our Talaandig Tribe from Bukidnon



they have similar outfit "Headress and the Skirt" except our skirt is long haha a conservative one embarassedlaugh.gif - Our Talaandig
Pulotan_Master
Very good topic, an ethnic tribe of Hainan Island, China are of austronesian origin, lots of similarities with our igorot brothers as well.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/-bP91iXZ0hU
http://www.youtube.com/embed/TS3OII1m0sc









filipinai
QUOTE (Pulotan_Master @ Dec 23 2011, 07:36 PM) *
Very good topic, an ethnic tribe of Hainan Island, China are of austronesian origin, lots of similarities with our igorot brothers as well.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/-bP91iXZ0hU
http://www.youtube.com/embed/TS3OII1m0sc









These people are much closer to the Austronesian than She people.

Bamboo dance is one of the Austronesian dance, tattoo and clothes weaving but do they speak Austronesian Language? or Austro-Asiatic or other languages?

AsiaticGlory
I think Austronesian is a mixed race identity. Some Austronesians look more Mongoloid while others look more Australoid. They are the transition from Mongoloid to Australoid. It's kind of like how Turks are the transition from Mongoloid to Caucasoid.

Our ancestors did not care about racialism so they were more open-minded about miscegenation. Hence why a lot of Asians at the border regions are mixed.
filipinai
QUOTE (AsiaticGlory @ Dec 24 2011, 04:50 AM) *
I think Austronesian is a mixed race identity. Some Austronesians look more Mongoloid while others look more Australoid. They are the transition from Mongoloid to Australoid. It's kind of like how Turks are the transition from Mongoloid to Caucasoid.

Our ancestors did not care about racialism so they were more open-minded about miscegenation. Hence why a lot of Asians at the border regions are mixed.


Yeah, its like a shared culture between negritos and austronesian. I guess its a mixture of hmmm like Austroloid (Negritos) and Asian (mongoloid).

Austro-Asiatic is also Mix like the culture of Austronesian (Some are mixed negritos) but there is still a difference between the Austronesian of the South East to Austro-Asiatic, they have more Asian culture influence from the East Asia than the Austronesian from the South East. Which is more on Islands or Mountain Tribes, people that usually live near the river area.
hiram73
She people are AUSTRONESIANS just like Gaoshan.Not She people+Australoid=Austronesian.It should be Hmong+Australoid=ocrap !mao
ocrapdm
QUOTE (hiram73 @ Dec 25 2011, 02:17 PM) *
She people are AUSTRONESIANS just like Gaoshan.Not She people+Australoid=Austronesian.It should be Hmong+Australoid=ocrap !mao


She people are ONE OF THE YUEH PEOPLES who are the ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THE SOUTHERN CHINESE COAST.

As the Han peoples expanded from its core in Central China, they inadvertently pushed the Yueh southward: some migrated southwestward and became the THAI PEOPLES, some migrated southward and became the VIET PEOPLES, some migrated southeastward to Taiwan, and upon mixing with Australoids became the AUSTRONESIAN PEOPLES, and some remained, mixing with the Han newcomers, eventually becoming the SOUTHERN CHINESE PEOPLES.

Kaoshan peoples (Taiwanese Aboriginals) are a mix of Yueh and Australoids.


ANCIENT YUEH + HUAXIA = SOUTHERN CHINESE (i.e., Hokkien, Cantonese, Shanghainese, Kan, Hakka)
ANCIENT YUEH + MUNDA = AUSTRO-ASIATICS (i.e., Mainland Southeast Asians like Thais and Burmese, Laotians)
ANCIENT YUEH + PROTO-AINUID = PROTO-AUSTRONESIANS (i.e., Maritime Southeast Asians like Pilipinos and Sundanese AND Micronesians )
ANCIENT YUEH + VEDDOID = DEUTERO-AUSTRONESIANS (i.e., Maritime Southeast Asians like Malays, Sumatrans, Javanese)
ANCIENT YUEH + AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS = MELANESIANS AND POLYNESIANS
moppom
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 25 2011, 10:01 AM) *
She people are ONE OF THE YUEH PEOPLES who are the ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THE SOUTHERN CHINESE COAST.

As the Han peoples expanded from its core in Central China, they inadvertently pushed the Yueh southward: some migrated southwestward and became the THAI PEOPLES, some migrated southward and became the VIET PEOPLES, some migrated southeastward to Taiwan, and upon mixing with Australoids became the AUSTRONESIAN PEOPLES, and some remained, mixing with the Han newcomers, eventually becoming the SOUTHERN CHINESE PEOPLES.

Kaoshan peoples (Taiwanese Aboriginals) are a mix of Yueh and Australoids.


ANCIENT YUEH + HUAXIA = SOUTHERN CHINESE (i.e., Hokkien, Cantonese, Shanghainese, Kan, Hakka)
ANCIENT YUEH + MUNDA = AUSTRO-ASIATICS (i.e., Mainland Southeast Asians like Thais and Burmese, Laotians)
ANCIENT YUEH + PROTO-AINUID = AUSTRONESIANS (i.e., Maritime Southeast Asians like Pilipinos and Indonesians)



so you're saying that you yourself are ancient yueh + proto-ainuid?


i clearly recall you saying you werent chinese 3 years ago - do i have to find the link again?
ocrapdm
QUOTE (moppom @ Dec 25 2011, 10:02 PM) *
so you're saying that you yourself are ancient yueh + proto-ainuid?


i clearly recall you saying you werent chinese 3 years ago - do i have to find the link again?


LOL NO. How about you? embarassedlaugh.gif

I did NOT say that I am NOT Chinese. My notion of Chinoy before was different from what is accepted as Chinoy now.

Now, if you have any doubts still, then ask the OLD AF MEMBERS.
moppom
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 25 2011, 10:09 AM) *
LOL NO. How about you? embarassedlaugh.gif

I did NOT say that I am NOT Chinese. My notion of Chinoy before was different from what is accepted as Chinoy now.

Now, if you have any doubts still, then ask the OLD AF MEMBERS.



lmao


you said word for word, "no, i'm not chinoy"


didnt you say the majority of chinoys have a substantial european/native admixture; yet you yourself who is supposedly 90% could not meet the standard [which you clearly expressed as 75%]


so.....3 years ago, you were less than 75% chinese - now you're 90%.......how did that happen?

also, say hi to your pango chinese relatives

and say hi to all those spanish mesitzos attending your chinese school, which you have been going to for 10 [12?] years. do they also say "yo habla espanol"?
txoomsuab2
QUOTE (ocrapdm @ Dec 15 2011, 08:32 AM) *


She people + Australoids = AUSTRONESIAN

hold up i thought ethnic she are more related to yao groups
txoomsuab2
QUOTE (Pulotan_Master @ Dec 23 2011, 06:36 PM) *
Very good topic, an ethnic tribe of Hainan Island, China are of austronesian origin, lots of similarities with our igorot brothers as well.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/-bP91iXZ0hU
http://www.youtube.com/embed/TS3OII1m0sc








those seems to be li ethnic girls, i like their skirts, there is also chams most often mislabeled as huis and there is miao ethnic on hainan island too.
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