My new theory....

Siem = one of Funanese or Funan
Chenlan = a Funan vassal (Khmers claim to be Chenlan)

Chenlan defeated Siem, and then named the country 'Siem Reap -- Destruction of Siem' which Chinese recorded it as 'Chenla'

Siem might be those Syam and Kuk; Syam might be from Sambhupura; and Kuk from Sambor Prei Kuk

Those defeated Siem fled to Chaiya and formed Sri Bodhi (Early Srivijaya), or Sam/Syam Bodhi (San Fo Si)

Sam=Syam; Sam/Sama=pali, Syam=Sanskrit mean golden;

Siam located in Suvarnbhumi/Laem Thong -- the golden land; Samdesa = Pali name of Siam

what do you think?




Kratie region in the time of ancient Khmer empires Funan and Chenla. The kingdom of Sambhupura.
(Sources: "The Ancient Khmer Empire", Lawrence Palmer Briggs, published in 1951)

Of the many Indianized kingdoms of Indo-China, Funan (first century to ca. 550) is probably the most ancient. Funan seems to have occupied the Mekong delta, the lower Mekong and the Tonle Sap. The today region of Kratie province was a part of Funan. The Funanese seem to have spoken a pre-Khmer Austro-Asiatic language.
The name Chenla first appeared in history when Chenla sent an embassy to China in 616 or 617. "It was originally a vassal of Funan … attacked Funan and subdued it" (Chinese writer Sui-shu 589-618 A.D.). The original site of Chenla seems to have been in southeastern Laos and early kings increased the territory towards the south (including the today Kratie region). At the beginning of the eighth century Chenla bordered Annam (Northern Vietnam) in the Northeast and the Tai Kingdom of Nan Chao (Yunan). Jayavarman I of Chenla (ca. 640/657 to ca. 681) seems to have reigned in the Banteay Prei Nokor-Ba (Vyadhapura) region. His death was followed by a period of internal strife.
Two new dynasties arose and disputed the supremacy with that of Vyadhapura. Nripatindravarman apparently revived the earlier kingdom of Aninditapura and controlled a western strip of the delta to the sea of Oc Eo (southern Vietnam), probably establishing his capital at Angkor Borei (Takeo), while the new dynasty of Sambhupura was building up a kingdom on the eastern bank of the Mekong river. This dynasty, with its early centers in the vicinity of the present Sambor and Kratie, seems to have broken off from Chenla during the reign of Jayavarman I. The name Sambhupura, which has been preserved in that of Sambor, seems to presume a founder named Sambhuvarmann - but there is no record of such a person. At any rate, this region assumed great prominence during two decades of the seventh and the beginning of the eighth centuries. Many inscriptions and monuments of this period are found there (as the Koh Kuk Krieng temple near present Sambor). The first ruler of Sambhupura mentioned in Chinese inscriptions is a female - presumed to have been the daughter of the supposititious Sambhuvarman. This daughter married Pushkaraksha, son of Nripatindravarman of Aninditapura, and he thus became king of Sambhupura.
After the middle of the eighth century Rajendravarman II, in whom was united the blood of the three great rival dynasties of Lower Chenla, reunited all Lower Chenla. He was generally accepted as King of Chenla. The capital was now probably Angkor Borei (Takeo) and inscriptions say that Rajendravarman II was also king of Sambhupura, seeming to indicate that it was not the principal capital. Jayavarman II (7??-850), reunited Upper and Lower Chenla at the beginning of the eighth century. Some scientists identify Jayavarman II with the dynasty of Sambhupura. At the end of 8 century Jayavarman II moved the capital to Hariharalaya (Roluos, Siem Reap) and then to Phnom Kulen mountain area (Siem Reap). The Khmer capital remained in this region until the beginning of Angkor (900) and the capture by Siamese in 1431.

and you keep ignore this fact???

"Sui Shu -- Chinese book 589-618 A.D." first called Chenla from Siem Reap of Siem Reap sound.

Right! is that not about one community again the ruler? one person can change the world do you believe it?

Funan had its origin in Chaiya (150 A.D), it expanded during Kun Pan Man (Kun Pan Wang's son) to Cambodia and S.VN. moving its center of power to somewhere south of Cambodia.

Later there was a brokeup between brothers (of diffretnt mothers) and the trone was taken and it's known to Chinese as "Chenla". The losing rulers of Funan fled to Chaiya to establish Sri Bodhi (G. Coedes called Srivijaya) and they came back to take Chenla as their vassal again.

Srivijaya was known later by the chinese as "Siam-Lavo" (961 A.D)

During 1030, Srivijaya was attacked by Chola dynasty form India and it disappeared from the Chinese record, probably it moved the center of power up north.

Yes, Udoung Meanchey = U-Tong Mee Chai

It's very weird that Khmer used Siamese King name to name their capital.

Maybe they thought it's a Korean name.

Yes, that was during Isaanvarman. The brothers was brokeup and the name Chenla was firstly heard during his period (actually the fighting between brothers started earlier during Prince Chittasen/Mahendravarman)

The losing prince fled to Pan Pan in Surathani to establish Srivijaya and came back to claim their throne later.



Not quite correct, there were more than one lineage, the Mon on the Isaan/Lao expanding downward and the tamil lineage from south Cambodia expanding northward.

Go back to primary school and learn what is Khmer word and what is Tai word!!
មាន /MAN/ read as Mean is Khmer word meaning Have, Got, Rich...
ជ៍យ​(/ //Jaya read as Chey is Sanskrit word meaning Victory

ឧត្ដុង उत्तुङ्ग "uttuṅga"​read as Udong is sanskit word meaning supreme

ឧត្ដុងមានជ័យ Udong MeanChey meaning "home to a succession of kings".

What wrong waht you guys playing with this word around?

Siem Reap was baptized by King Ang Chan (1516-1566) as “Siem Reap”, meaning “the flat defeat of Siam” (Cambodians call Siam or Thailand “Siem”). It was because of the victory over the Thais which King Ang Chan counter-attacked, and shot Prince Ong dead on an elephant’s back, and routed the Thais and captured no less than 10,000 Thai troops.

They are Mon-Khmer speakers, it doesn't mean they are Khmer. DIdn't you read Sonofgunongjarai's comment? He said, they are related to Mon, Not Khmer. KHmer homeland always the Khmer Krom in Vietnam, not any part of Thailand. Mon related people populated in the whole Thailand, North Malaysia, and south Burma.

No France, No Cambodia, No Khmer Empire.

ha ha ha ..... how could "got" + "Victory" + "Supreme" = "home to a succession of kings"?????

Idiot, the name wsa "U-Thong Mee Chai", simple and straighforward.

And for the reason why it has the name of Thai king?

Because it belonged to Siam before the French took it.

Look at the map in 1886 again, just in case you forgot already.

that why you can't understand our Khmer! a language of an Empire.. it not simply for you to understand it you need to go deeper!!! even you give me this map it still not included Udong!!! you idiot claiming with no ashamed!!! that why there is no peace among the two country because there is such many idiot like you living in Thailand!!!

The name 'Khmer' was created to give those Austroasiatic tribals whom were captured and indianized for at least 250 years in Kambujadesa.

lol the chinese fail to notice this guy



and this guy




as leading the "dark skin" "wavy hair" funanese right? and speaks a completely different language.





i mean do you guys actually think at all? the chinese know tai peoples already from southern china this is a known fact. that is the tai peoples home. they have written about the tai people many times but they fail to notice that man leads the funnanese?

why would it be recorded that angkor was sacked by ayuthaya? why would the so called siam sack their own kingdom? does that make any sense to you either? to me it doesnt

but its fun to see more off the wall theories it makes you guys look so special at least your thinking unlike your stupid lazy pathetic thai scholars and populace that to this day just accept the name khmer and khmer empire and angkor to be true right?



rofl copter

Prominent Thai historian Dr Charnvit Kasetsiri (PS another moron according to you guys ) began with a question asking who the Thai people are, and where they came from.

"Students would answer that the Thai people are those who speak Thai, believe in Buddhism, love the Nation, Religion and Monarchy, and probably they would also add that Thai people are good and moral, and willing to sacrifice for the country. And they came down from the Altai Mountains, and formed the kingdoms of Nan Chao, Sukhothai, Ayutthaya, and then Rattanakosin," he said.


here gentlemen explain me this. Chinese mainland knew the Dai/Tai people since 100s BC.Yet they fail to note that there are Dai/Tai people in Funnan or Angkor? How can u twist chinese knowledge one way but dont see the real Chinese knowledge.

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."

According to Chinese documents of the ninth century, the Dais had a fairly well developed agriculture. They used oxen and elephants to till the land, grew large quantities of rice and had built an extensive irrigation system. They used kapok for weaving, panned salt and made weapons of metal. They plated their teeth with gold and silver.

In the 12th century, a Dai chieftain named Bazhen unified all the tribes and established the Mengle local regime with Jinghong as the capital, and called it the "Jinglong Golden Hall Kingdom." According to local records, the kingdom had a population of more than one million, and was famous for white elephants and fine-breed horses. It recognized the Chinese imperial court as its sovereign. When Bazhen ascended the throne, he was given a "tiger-head gold seal" by the Emperor, and the title "Lord of the Region." Previously, the Dais in the Dehong region had established the Mengmao Kingdom, with Ruilijiang as the capital.

I will show you what the chinese saw in southern Thaialnd.



Dark and curly hair.

They were the local people before any other race.

right.....

which makes it even more stupid that this



leads those black people and nobody records it or mentions it anywhere.

keep on failing lee porter its fun to watch.

Are they call Ngoh? tell me where do they live, my Thai Southerner!!!

dude, Chinese men in Thailand are not light as this guy, Only those gayish men will be still light skin.

You can't put skin color to debate. Except you mean your 'dark' is as black as African, then there will be you Khmer. LMAO!!!

They spotted dark and naked inhabitant, walking with bare feet. Maybe those Tai rulers ruled the negrito?

thats not even the point man the point is that chinese knew the Dai/Tai peoples since 100 bc's. Im pretty sure they arent gonna mistake a Tai person as a native funnanese. I dont get how you guys are failing to notice this.

Abhisit who is said to be of chinese descent and is called thai. does he look like he can lead our people yet alone those black people lee porter put here and not be questioned? hey chinese welcome to funan these are my people lols i dont speak their language but i can perfectly control them







its just simple anthropological evidence to look at. it doesnt take switching peoples transliteration of names or reaching to make this name that name.

Chad, you was checkmated with my Srivijaya = Siam = Funan evidences and you still can't accept it.

How do you know the rulers of those empire had dark skin???

Let me show you the stone script of King Vishsnu of Srivijaya found in Chaiya.

http://www.sac.or.th/databases/inscription...4&id_part=1
http://www.sac.or.th/databases/inscription...table/194_1.pdf

Second paragraph from the bottom it says "The king of Srivichaiya" who has "white complexion"

This is one of not many stone inscription (if any) that tell us whether the ruler had light or dark skin.

I didn't say they were Tai. I only claimed that their non-indian names like Kun Tian, Kun Pan Wang etc. were Tai.

But you always talked about the dark skin, so I give you the local people who have dark skin and the evidence that the ruler (King Vishanu) had lighter skin.

Try again, Chad.

ah the favorite word of all asia finest trolls negrito.

still makes no sense like saying a black man was leading ancient greece and nobody says a thing about it. of course if that happened they made note of it people arent stupid.

who has white skin and speaks another language? hm nope dont see that part. who has light skin and resembles the people we know as the tai and dai that we the chinese have known since 100bc? nope

you didnt say they were tai but their names resemble tai right? so they just plucked tai names out of thin air ? or they were tai ? why dont u make up your mind.

speaking of inscriptions where is the one saying we siam created angkor? nowhere but i know how u are gonna counter it by saying where does it say we khmer created angkor. but oh well u dont answer anythign i say so i wont answer yours.

Chad, I've shown you the evidence that link Siam-Lavo back to Srivijaya and back to Funan. Their rulers were related from Siam-Lavo to Ayudhaya to Bangkok.

And now, may I ask you what evidence you have that can link Kings of Chenla to the first king of Khmer in the Chronicle of Cambodia?

This is what a famous French historian George Cœdès said after years of studying about Varaman dynasty and Khmer kings after Angkor period.

He was trying to link the last Varman king and the first Khmer king mentioned in the Chronicle of Cambodia.

You can read the whole book here:
http://books.google.co.th/books?id=qgrAFlA...Bat&f=false

Page 196 in his book says:

"No link has yet been found between Jayavaramaparameshvara (Jayavaraman IX, the last Varman: Leeporter) and the first kings mentioned in the Cambodia Chronicles, which begin around the year 1350 with a name that is presumably posthumous: Nirvanapada (Nippean Bat).

Not only is there are complete break between the kings formerly mentioned in the indsciptions and the kings later listed in the chronicles, but there are no reliable dates for these later kings except those of embassies and changes of reign recorded in the Chinese history of the Ming Dynasty. Unfortunately this history refers to the Cambodians kings by their reign titles (Samdach, Chao Ponhea), never by their personal or posthumous names, so that it is difficult to identify them with the kings mentioned in either the Cambodian or the Siamese chronicles, which in any case rarely tally."



Even G. Coedes who tried his every attempt to find the link still failed to do so.

Answer me, why you Khmer people think that kings of Chenla were ancestors of Khmer kings?

Chad, you don't have to answer your own question. G. Coedes already answered it.

"No link has yet been found between Jayavaramaparameshvara (Jayavaraman IX, the last Varman: Leeporter) and the first kings mentioned in the Cambodia Chronicles, which begin around the year 1350 with a name that is presumably posthumous: Nirvanapada (Nippean Bat).

Not only is there are complete break between the kings formerly mentioned in the indsciptions and the kings later listed in the chronicles, but there are no reliable dates for these later kings except those of embassies and changes of reign recorded in the Chinese history of the Ming Dynasty. Unfortunately this history refers to the Cambodians kings by their reign titles (Samdach, Chao Ponhea), never by their personal or posthumous names, so that it is difficult to identify them with the kings mentioned in either the Cambodian or the Siamese chronicles, which in any case rarely tally."

You feels inferior to read 'negritos'?

So, what's the proper word to call them?

light skin people ruled dark/naked people. This is what Chinese recorded. So by your skin color logic, The Tais ruled those dark skin (must be Khmer) since you insist that Khmers were Funanese.

"Mahendravarman (Citrasena) was a king of the Cambodian kingdom of Kamboja, which would later become the Khmer empire. He was the brother of, and successor to Bhavavarman I.

After Bhavavarman's death, Mahendravarman took his throne in the capital at Sambor Prei Kuk on the same time Hiranyavarman was ruling Cambodia.

After the death of Mahendravarman, his son Isanavarman had taken the control of the kingdom, where his father ruled for several years. He ruled the kingdom till AD 628."

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who was Hiranyavarman? I think he might be a future Chelan king.

Mahendravarman (Citrasen) took his throne in the capital at Sambor Prei Kuk <<< Must be Siem. LOL

so let me get this straight this whole theory is basically since according to you the records are gone between some kings and that funan leaders had tai sounding names that you can just plug in tai into someone elses history?

you cant show anything of tai being in this area but you are obviously continuing to go by your theory strongly.

all the unexplainable histories of nations i guess we can assume they were tai and siam rulers the dark ages of france=tai siam too i guess.

to you i cant prove anything to yourself its all assumptions so it means they theory is wrong and misinformational. you and love are doing exactly what khmerboi said just playing word associations and somehow linking it and twisting it to fit what you want to be your history. right?

no my logic is that the chinese recorded nothing that these light skin people were tai or can speak tai. so what are they then dumbass. my logic is that the chinese knew Tai race since 100bc but somehow cant draw a line that there are Tai further south then they ever thought before? they know the Tai race yet just ignore there is a Tai leader of funan? why didnt they then send ambassadors from the Tai in China to meet the tai leaders in funan? could have created a large Tai empire and annexed it in Chinas name. you guys are such trolls i swear.

this is logic that cannot be refuted because there is simply no answer to it.

Don't being betray your self you always claim Funanese are Tai base on the king name..

Anyways maybe you would love to claim Orkna Kleang Meurng as a Tai too because he name is a Tai name! ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjHMNxi3p6I...feature=related

They knew the Tai race? I am not sure about that, but I am sure they knew all those southern tribes in southern CHina as a whole same group called Bai Yue.

Early Funan kings were Buddhist and light skin, their names look like Tai king names in the contemporary ancient Tai Singhanavati kingdom in the north. Buddhist Mons were the people who populated in those time. Early Funanese kings must be Mon or Tai, not Khmer. Khmer powerhouse/homeland always be in south vietnam today.

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Guess according to you now the chinese dont know history right?

History

The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."

The forebears of the present-day Dai Ethnic Minority of China first organized themselves into a semi-unified political organization during the Qin (221 – 207 BC) and Han (206 BC – 220 AD) Dynasties. In 109 BC, Emperor Wu Di of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC – 9 AD) set up the prefecture as a special area to house the Dai people in southwestern China, corresponding to present-day Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan Provinces. With plentiful rainfall and fertile land, the areas that these Dai groups inhabited were suitable for the planting crops. The Dai are believed by scholars to be one of the first ethnic groups to employ oxen to till the land.

Derived from the same ancestor - ancient "Baiyue" people, Dai minority has strong connection with nationalities such as Zhuang, Dong, Shui, Bouyei, and Li, etc. The earliest records about Dai minority can be traced back to the 1st B.C., which then was named "Dianyue" or "Shan".

　　Dai minority has its own language which belongs to Zhuang-Dai branch of Zhuang-Dong Austronesian of Chinese-Tibetan Phylum. Dai Nationality also has its own spell character.

　　The history of contact between the Dai and Han peoples dates back to 109 B.C., when Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty (206 B.C.-23A.D.)set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Dais in subsequent years sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, and among the emissaries were musicians and acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Dai ambassadors and their chieftain was given the title "Great Captain."


The history of contact between the Tai and Han (Chinese) peoples dated back to 109 BC, when
Emperor Wu Di of the Han Dynasty set up Yizhou Prefecture in southwestern Yi (the name used to
signify the minority areas of what are now Sichuan, Yunnan and Guizhou provinces). The Tai, in
subsequent years, sent tribute to the Han court in Luoyang, among the emissaries were musicians and
acrobats. The Han court gave gold seals to the Tai ambassadors and their chieftain the title “Great
Captain.” According to Chinese documents of the ninth century, the Tai had a fairly well developed
agriculture. They used oxen and elephants to till the land, grew large quantities of rice and had built an
extensive irrigation system. They used kapok for weaving, panned salt and made weapons of metal.
They plated their teeth with gold and silver. 4




Why Tai are also called Shan? One of the suppositions concerning the origin of the name
“Shan” (oSsef;) is that, it derived from the word “Siam” (Hsian, Sein), which designates to a group of
mountainous people who migrated from Yunnan in the 6th century AD. Siam means agriculture or
cultivating. Most probably because they were people of farming. Another supposition is, when Kublai
Khan and his Mongol army conquered Nan Chao Kingdom in AD 1253 a second wave of Tai migrating
down south into many areas of Southeast Asia. Some migrating Tai became mercenaries for the Khmer
armies in the early 13th century AD as it was depicted in the walls of Angkor Wat. In those days the
Khmer called Tai as Syam, the word derived from Sunskrit meaning golden or yellow. The Tai at that
time had a yellow or golden skin color. Shan can be a corrupt word of Syam, a name given to Kshatriya
(warriors) (those warriors were said to be Shan) who were on duty for the Khmer Empire. A third
supposition suggests that Shan were the people named after the “Great Mountain Ranges of China”
from where they had migrated. Shan in Chinese is “mountain” or “hill”.10

Is that enough?

If they knew Funanese king were khmer, they why didn't record it. LOL

and do you think those ancient Chinese in 1st Century knew who were Tai? LMAO!!!

um yea why wouldnt they? they knew this in BC

The forebears of the present-day Dai Ethnic Minority of China first organized themselves into a semi-unified political organization during the Qin (221 – 207 BC) and Han (206 BC – 220 AD) Dynasties. In 109 BC, Emperor Wu Di of the Western Han Dynasty (206 BC – 9 AD) set up the prefecture as a special area to house the Dai people in southwestern China, corresponding to present-day Guizhou, Sichuan and Yunnan Provinces. With plentiful rainfall and fertile land, the areas that these Dai groups inhabited were suitable for the planting crops. The Dai are believed by scholars to be one of the first ethnic groups to employ oxen to till the land.

So emperor Wu Di did stuff for a made up people that dont exist?

Is not that Funan capital is close and related to Southern Vietnam??? Mon is Theravada but Khmer is Mahayana..

It make sen for Khmer is is Hindu as well so Animism to Hindu then to Mahayana Buddhism then to Theravada and the modern Cambodian religion is Khmer Buddhism (Amimism+Bramanism+Buddhism)...

here look at Cambodia pagoda! ^^

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=295398

It make more sen then your logic!!!

Do you think Emperor Wu Di really knew who were Tai in those prefectures? I think the prefectures were just multi-ethinics, not just a Tai. Same concept as Bai Yue.

Since when Khmer started to be Mahayana? Weren't you converted to be Hindu first?

Early Funan is likely to be first established on Malay penn (Chaiya-Tagua Pa area), then when they had contacted/traded more with Indians, so they were more and more Indianized. Early Funanese king must be mon (or Tai) polity living on Malay penn, around the major port 'Kattigara' mentioned by Roman. They became richer and started to expand their power to Oc'eo in the late Funan.

of course right ? what you think is right but who cares about documented history right ? lets just throw that out the window and number 1 claim everyone is related to everyone so nobody has culture.then we can take things from said culture and call it ours or take things from 2 cultures because it is ours. number 2 if another nation had culture before us (cambodia) lets just flip flip names and then use chinese written history (to our advantage) and claim those people as our people.

of course they knew tai and if anythign they will know the people as baiyue so i still dont get why you are arguing? the chinese know either tai race or baiyue races already and its known since BC time. so the logic then says the chinese should have known that the supposed tai leaders at funan were tai or bai yue .

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Why Chinese didn't know that Funanese and Chelan were same people? LOL

It's likely my new theory is true.

Funan (Siem) and its vassal state Chenla (Khmer) had wars, and the last war is really great war that made Chenlan king named their country as Defeated Funan or 'Chenla -- Chen Lap/Siem Reap'.

Khmer were begin with Hindu dude! then Mahayana and sometime back to Hindu that I only mention the king but people is still practice both but mostly Hindu which more share to Animism.. But it was swift to Mahayana Buddhism officially by King Jayavarman VII when the Angkor fail to the Cham during the formal king.. which make the idea of DevaJaja lost his truth among his people...

Chinese Emperor knew Khmer but he never knew Funanese were Khmer? LOL

same stupid logic, isn't it?

and what the religion that Funanese king practised?

OK, Chad and KhmoerBoi.

Stop twisiting my logic.

I never used that fact that the rulers of Funan had Tai names to prove that Funan = Srivijaya = Siam.

My logic is straighforward, Srivijaya abmassador went to China and told the emperor that Srivijaya was called "Siam-Lavo"

So, Srivijaya = "Siam-Lavo" or later be called "Siam"

And if Suzuki is correct that Srivijaya rulers fled from Funan, then:

Funan = Srivijaya = Siam.

Simple like that, I never used the Tai name of Funan kings to prove this.

Don't twist my logic, ok?

I just proved that Funan rulers and Siam rulers were related, there are evidence to link them together, while for Khmer, there was no evidence to link Khmer King Nippean Bat to those Varman kings of Chenla (a vasaal of Funan and Srivijaya)

Very simple and straightforward.

For those rulers of Funan and Srivijaya speaking Tai or Mon or Indian, we will find out.

But for now, Funan = Srivijaya = Siam.

Don't twist my logic.

the Funanes's king was Eyso (Vishnu?) Niyum.. as far as I remember only one king was Mahayana Buddhism...

Saying that Funan kings were Tai speaking people does not equal to saying that Funan = Srivijaya = Siam, ok?

For example, I've proved that Kun Pha Muang became king of Chenla as Indravarman III.

That's to say one of Chenla kings was Tai-speaking people, but we can't say that Chenla = Siam

But now, I've proved that Funan = Srivijaya = Siam.

Their kings could speak Tai or Mon (or both), but one thing for sure, they didn't speak Khmer.

lol what logic everything you and love say are huge leaps. by twisting word meanings and ancient pronounciations this is how you are getting at your theories. i never knew a reasearcher or historian that takes historical names and fudges them to make the basis of their theories.

the main points are chinese knows tai people by 100 BC at least. China should know the difference between a person called Pu race and a person of Tai or Dai ancestry which was later attributed to being glumped together as Yue. If they didnt anthropoligcaly they wouldnt have made the catergory up anyway. Going by logic that actually makes sense is that we would see a Chinese scholar acually making it known that a tai is leading people in a land full of different race


Why Tai are also called Shan? One of the suppositions concerning the origin of the name
“Shan” (oSsef;) is that, it derived from the word “Siam” (Hsian, Sein), which designates to a group of
mountainous people who migrated from Yunnan in the 6th century AD. Siam means agriculture or
cultivating. Most probably because they were people of farming. Another supposition is, when Kublai
Khan and his Mongol army conquered Nan Chao Kingdom in AD 1253 a second wave of Tai migrating
down south into many areas of Southeast Asia. Some migrating Tai became mercenaries for the Khmer
armies in the early 13th century AD as it was depicted in the walls of Angkor Wat. In those days the
Khmer called Tai as Syam, the word derived from Sunskrit meaning golden or yellow. The Tai at that
time had a yellow or golden skin color. Shan can be a corrupt word of Syam, a name given to Kshatriya
(warriors) (those warriors were said to be Shan) who were on duty for the Khmer Empire. A third
supposition suggests that Shan were the people named after the “Great Mountain Ranges of China”
from where they had migrated. Shan in Chinese is “mountain” or “hill”.

Why all of a sudden do you guys want to be firsts in southeast asia? why dont you read and look athe the real Tai history of China and actually see that as being cool. Not just reaching and trying to take others cultures because you make assumptions.

U missed a big part at least he speak Cham!!!! ^^