and how did your Khmer king 'Ong Eng' know the name of Nippan bat? LMAO!!!



I will trust the old Khmer people (all died) like your Khmer king Ong Eng, not your already 'French brainwashed' Khmer.

In Cambodia they called "monk" as "city"???

I don't understand why SEAhistory said it made more sense.

Like I said, he is trowing everything he has in hand to me now, even when it's an idiot claim like Srivijaya = Philippines, or "Sien-lioau" = Malayu or calling monk as "city/state" ?????

Next time he will try to find Papua new Guinea word "Tan" that is used to call something else and claimed that it was used to call Buddhist monk in Papua and nobody will know that it's wrong.

Yes, they need to use N.E. Wind to travel to Chaiya to learn Sanskrit for 6 months.

Sanskrit is a prerequisite course before taking the full Buddhism course in India.

And from India, they need to use S.W wind to travel back to Kehdah and then to Malayu in the south and go straight to China using S.E. wind.

Leeporter, did you get my PM message? If not empty your inbox. thx

Bro im sure this incription very imposible built by Siames /thai ,as a half Sumatran and half Javanese i still undertand this old Malaya language. Bhupati is a leader/head of kabupaten and in Indonesia we still use Kabupaten as Second level District under province Kabupaten lead by Bhupati/Bupati and The same position as Major for Kotamadya.


Senapati was a War Commander /Chief in War / Panglima Perang and the most important as the Son of Sumatran and Javanese ,i swear i ve 'never heard about any thai/siam influenced in Sumatra and Java.

If i play the word but it's very absurd In Minang kabau /West Sumatra where the Darmasetu with his 20,000 troops came from any kabupaten /area in Minang named Painan so it's sound Funan isnt it?? BUT we never claimed it was Funan !!!





Srivijaya Influence in Africa

In support of a Buginese/Bajau connection there are several Swahili outrigger terms similar to those of the Indonesians … The Kiswahili for the outrigger boom is tengo; tengotengo; or rengo. In Buginese it is baratāng: and in Makassarese the outrigger-connector is tenko; in Bajau it is tētēnkona. A double-outrigger canoe in eastern Indonesia is tango. 14 All suggest a direct Buginese, Makassarese or Bajau connection with East Africa. It should be noted that in Kiswahili Madagascar is ‘Buki’ or ‘Bukini ’ 15; and on several grounds a connection could be argued between the ‘Bajun’ islanders off the coast of Somalia and the Bajau of Indonesia. On linguistic grounds both Dahl and Alexander Adelaar agreed that whoever they were, the proto-Malagasy had dwelt in Bangka island off the southeast coast of Sumatra before crossing to Africa and Madagascar. This is of particular interest as Bangka lies opposite the estuary on which lay Palembang, the capital of the most extensive, powerful, and expansive of the Indonesian states – Srivijaya.

http://www.robertd!ckread.co.uk/tag/srivijaya (please change the "!" with i )

Very Imposible siam/Thai sailed to africa in ancient time

Of course, people in Palembang must understand it.

It was written for them to read.

What is the point of writing a lot of cursing and no local people understand it???

But what is the point of Palembang king to curse his own people?

And if Srivijaya center was at Palembang, how could Palembang was listed in the 15 vassal sates of Srivijaya???

Vassal states of San-fo-chi, compiled by Chao Ju-kua（趙汝适）in 1225, describes fifteen vassal states as follows:

① 蓬豊＝Pahang
② 登牙濃＝Terengganu
③ 凌牙斯加＝Langkasuka (Pattani?)
④ 吉蘭丹＝Kelantan
⑤ 仏羅安＝Kuala Berang (Terengganu state)
⑥ 日羅亭＝Jerteh (Near Kuala Besut, Kelantan state)
⑦ 潜邁＝Seng Mai ? (unidentified)
⑧ 抜沓＝Pa Ta (Pattani?)
⑨ 単馬令＝Nakhon Si Thammarat
⑩ 加羅希＝Grahi=Krhi=Kraburi (or Ratchaburi?)
⑪ 巴林馮＝Palembang
⑫ 新拖＝Sunda
⑬ 監箆＝Kampei
⑭ 藍無里＝Lamuri (Aceh)
⑮ 細蘭＝Ceylon

Can you explain it?





Do you know the word vassal states?

But can you explain why Malay language with origin from Jambi , used and spoke by Siames Patani? why not Siames/Thai Language used /spoke by Sumatrans./javanese? and why all Srivijaya Incription even in Sea Mailand used Old Malay language not Siam /Thai???

I believed that Pattani actually Siamese race who got malayzed or perhaps forced to become Malay or with very happy to be Malay . Thre situatiation In Indonesia is very different we never found i lit bit Siam or Thai traces as a evidence for Siamese/Thai Existence in Sumatra (Palembang) and Java. beerchug.gif

Do you country Thailand still used Bhupati / Bupati as a head of kabupaten? , in Indonesia we still used Bupati as a Head of second district (Daerah Tingkat 2) under Province.


Do you think Java Majapahit Empire in Chaiya according to your last post Java in Chaiya,perhaps you also interested to Claim Majapahit cos the Greatness and Successful to repeled Mongol Invasion to Java ,be my guess if you interested also cos for me you just a clown

Err.. modern Malay language in southern thailand came with Muslim in a later period, it has nothing to do with those in the 6-7 th century.

You sound more like a Khmer troll than an Indo.

You said you can read that old Malay, read this for us.

double post

Imposible the peoples /race could switch their language in short time.I believed that Pattani actually Siamese race who got malayzed or perhaps forced to become Malay or with very happy to be Malay .
The situatiation In Indonesia is very different we never found i lit bit Siam or Thai traces as a evidence for Siamese/Thai Existence in Sumatra (Palembang) and Java. beerchug.gif


In Java and other places in Indonesia the peoples used Malay as Lingfua Franca since Thousand years ago but the first language is still local language the origin language of local still exist until today such as javanese language, Minang language, Sundanese language ,Makassarese Language etc

I found this interesting Siamese painting, not sure when it was painted, must be in early Rattanokosin period or later.



This is its description.

"A mural depicting the siege of the Kedah, the invaders are the Cholas. This picture shows the first usage of the flamethrower used by Indians. Chola Navy."

The event must be when King Rājendra Chola from India attacked Srivijaya in 1025.

Kedah was a province called "Saiburi" of Siam before Siam lost it to the British in 18th century.

Kedah in 1025 was not a Vassal of Srivijaya.

But, in Tanjore inscription of India it said clearly that Palembang was a vassal state of Srivijaya.

If you put Srivijaya's center at Palembang then everything can't be explained.

And SEAhistory, thank you for telling us that Srivijaya was formerly called Kantoli.

It help confirming that Srivijaya was in Chaiya, Suratthani.

This is what it's said about "Kantoli"


Kantoli was an ancient kingdom suspected to be located somewhere between Jambi and Palembang in southern Sumatra around the 5th century of the common era. Chinese records indicate that "Sanfotsi was formerly called Kantoli" and this as well as the location of the kingdom have led historians to consider Kantoli as the predecessor of Srivijaya. Srivijaya was referred to as Sanfotsi by the Chinese.



ha ha ha ... "suspected to be located somewhere between Jambi and Palembang"???

That's why I said when they put Srivijaya at Palembang, they can't find anything.

I can search around Suratthani, and within 5 minutes, north of Chiya, I found this district called "Kanthuli"

And this is the train station of Kanthuli in Suratthani, around Ban Don Bay.

When you button up your first button wrongly, every other button will be wrongly put.

When you put Srivijaya at Palembang, you can't explain:

1) why the king placed stones inscription in Palembang to curse his own people

2) Indian stone inscription of Chola said that Palambang was a vassal state of Srivijaya; Chao Ju-kua also recorded in 1225 that Palambang was a vassal state of Srivijaya, how could it be a vassal state of its own???

3) They couldn't find where Kantoli was near Palembang, while it took me only 5 minutes to search for an indian city name "Kanthuli" in Suratthani.

and more...

ha ha ha ... look what we have here.

SEAhistory couldn't win over my evidences and ran for help from Indonesian.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=5017446



I hope Indonesian members can help him move Srivijaya to Palembang.

Why King Curse his own People?
quote from SeaHistory said :

Read the contents of the inscriptions persumpahan above, it can be imagined that Dapunta Hyang is a brilliant politician. Before he launched an expansion into foreign territory, domestic stability is noticed. Surely persumpahan inscriptions were placed on the countries that allow the emergence of insurgency. Until now persumpahan inscriptions recently discovered in Palembang, Bangka, Jambi and Lampung. This shows that the power of Srivijaya in the year 686 had at least cover these areas.

The existence of persumpahan Lake Stone inscriptions in Palembang cause Prof. Dr. Sukmono refused locations in the capital of Palembang Srivijaya. In his "On Localization of Srivijaya", Report of the First National Congress of Sciences, Volume 5, Assembly Sciences Indonesia, Djakarta, 1958, Sukmono ask the following questions (adapted to EYD 1972): "If indeed the capital of Palembang Srivijaya, could make sense that curses in the form of terrible threats is actually enshrined in the capital? Could it be the capital of its own citizens thus threatened by the king? "

Prof. question. Sukmono this needs to be answered with another question: "Does not make sense that rebellion may occur in the capital? Is not that time the capital is empty without power, because the army is being mobilized to invade Java Land? "

The revolt in the capital are even more dangerous than a rebellion in the lands of subordinates, as they may be done by people close to Dapunta Hyang and directly related to the central government. Dapunta Hyang certainly not ignore the existence of such a coup of the "grand coalition" of high officials of the kingdom. That is why he sees the need to give warnings and threats in the capital of Srivijaya.


In the history many of us find that a ruler was stabbed by the enemy in the blanket, when the rulers were busy thinking about the problem of "foreign". This happens, for instance, the king of the Kingdom Singhasari Kertanagara the 13th century. Kertanagara Singhasari send massive troops into Malay (Edinburgh) in anticipation of a possible attack from Mongol armies of China to the archipelago, but he was negligent in Singhasari own attention to security. Vassals, Jayakatwang of Kadiri, to exploit the situation for the overthrow of the throne Kertanagara. This is the consequence if a ruler to ignore security in the capital.




But If Siamese/Thai was Srivijaya

1. Siamese/Thai must be a good Seafarer due to Srivijaya was Maritime Empire and could sailed t India and To Africa and Madagarscar .

2. If Siamese once upon a time invaded Palembang and Java it must be any evidence of existence of Siamese/Thai in Java which influence culture and language of the colony Peoples such as malagasian and Merina Nation used Malay Language due to the expansion of Srivijaya (Malay) to Africa to Trade .

3. It must be Siamese have great and Huge Ships to crossed the Indian Ocean to trade due to Srivijaya The Centered and activity of their and controlled much of the maritime trade in the Indian

4. Do you wanna play words ,Ok Dharmasetu with 20,000 troops came from Minanga it was Minang Kabau /West Sumatra now in Wes sumatra any City Named Painan near Coast of Sumatra PAINAN you heard sounded Funan?? BUT im not play the word and said that it was Old Funan Stated !!

Before I continue presenting my evidences, let me show you guys this amusing Khmer member called "SEAhistory"

On 20 Feb 2012 he posted in Indonesia Chat:


And then, some time later:

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SEAhistory, I hope you have a good excuse to tell other Khmer members why you had to do this.

Majapahit and Siam (Sri Ayutthaya/Sri Dhammaraja) were friends. Majapahitan kings said so.

"Mitreka Satata, literary means "partners with common order". It refer to independent foreign states that is considered as Majapahit's equals, not the subject of Majapahit powers. According to Nagarakretagama canto 15, the foreign states are Syangkayodhyapura (Ayutthaya of Siam), Dharmmanagari (Nakhon Si Thammarat Kingdom), Marutma, Rajapura and Sinhanagari (kingdoms in Myanmar), Champa, Kamboja (Cambodia), and Yawana (Annam).[29] Mitreka Satata can be considered as Majapahit's allies, since other foreign kingdoms in China and India was not included in this category, although Majapahit known has conducted foreign relations with these nations."

and Thanks for mention Mongol invasion in Java. So this is the first time I know about it

Mongol invasion of Java
Kublai Khan ruler of the Mongol Empire and emperor of the Yuan Dynasty, had sent envoys to many states to ask them to put themselves under his protection and pay tribute. Men Shi or Meng-qi (孟琪), one of his ministers who was sent to Java, was not well received there.[2] The king of Singhasari, Kertanagara, was offended by his proposal and branded him in the face with a hot iron as was done to common thieves, cut his ears, and scornfully sent him on his way.

The Khan was shocked and ordered a punitive expedition against Kertanagara, whom he labeled a barbarian, in 1292. According to the Yuan shi, the history of the Yuan Dynasty, 20,000-30,000 men were collected from Fujian, Jiangxi and Huguang in Southern China, along with 1,000 ships and enough provisions for a year.[3] The officers were the Mongol Shi-bi, the Uyghur Ike Mese, and the Chinese Gaoxing. What kind of ships they used for the campaign is not mentioned in the Yuan shi, but they were apparently large since smaller boats had to be constructed for entering the rivers of Java.

Meanwhile, after defeating Srivijaya in Sumatra in 1290, Singhasari became the most powerful kingdom in the area. But Jayakatwang, the Adipati of Kediri, a vassal state of Singhasari, usurped and killed Kertanagara. Most of his relatives and former royal family members hated him. Kertanegara's son-in-law, Raden Wijaya, was pardoned by Jayakatwang with the aid of Madura's regent, Arya Wiraraja. Wijaya was then given the Tarik timberland. He opened that vast timberland and built a new village there. The village was named Majapahit, which was taken from maja fruit that had a bitter taste in that timberland (maja is the fruit name and pahit means bitter).
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Invasion

The Yuan forces departed from southern port of Quanzhou,[4] traveled along the coast of Dai Viet and Champa along the way to their primary target. The small states of Malay and Sumatra submitted and sent envoys to them, and Yuan commanders left darughachis there. It is known that the Yuan forces stopped at Ko-lan (Biliton). After arriving in Java, Shi-bi split their forces, sending one group ashore and another to proceed by boat. As noted in Kidung Panji-Wijayakrama, they probably looted the coastal village of Tuban.

When the Yuan army arrived in Java, Wijaya allied himself with the army to fight against Jayakatwang and gave the Mongols a map of the country Kalang. According to the Yuan-shi, Wijaya attacked Jayakatwang without success when he heard of the arrival of the Yuan navy. Then he requested their aid. In return, Yuan generals demanded his submission to their emperor, and he gave it.

The account of the war which appears in the Yuan-shi (Books 210) is brief:
…The soldiers from Dahanese came to attack Wijaya on the seventh day of the month, Ike Mese and Gaoxing came on the eighth, some Dahanse were defeated, the rest of them fled to the mountains. On the nineteenth day, the Mongols and their allies arrived in Daha, fought more than 100,000 soldiers, attacking 3 times, killing 2,000 outright while forcing many thousands into the river where they drowned. Jayatkatwang retreated into his palace …

Once Jayakatwang was destroyed by the Mongols, Raden Wijaya returned to Majapahit, ostensibly to prepare his tribute settlement, leaving his allies to celebrate their victory. Shi-bi and Ike Mese allowed Raden Wijaya to go back to his country to prepare his tribute and a new letter of submission, but Gaoxing disliked the idea and he warned other two. Wijaya asked the Yuan forces to come to his country unarmed.

Two hundred unarmed Yuan soldiers led by two officers were sent to Raden Wijaya's country, but Raden Wijaya quickly mobilized his forces again and ambushed the Yuan convoy. After that Raden Wijaya marched his forces to the main Yuan camp and launched a surprise attack, killing many and sending the rest running back to their ships. The Yuan forces had to withdraw in confusion, as the monsoon winds to carry them home would soon end, leaving them to wait on a hostile island for six months. The Yuan army lost more than 3,000 of its best soldiers.[5][4]

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You were great but a bit tricky. LMAO!!!

normal Khmer nature (seeking for help). LOL

You don't understand,

No one can help him, so he came to help himself.

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The Fall of Srivijaya

During the last days of Srivijaya empire, the center of power shifted to Malayu in Muaro Jambi[disambiguation needed ] area, Jambi, and later moved upstream to Dharmasraya. After the collapse of Srivijaya, there was no major political power to control the town, however some Malay nobility families remain in town. At this time, the last Srivijaya prince, Parameswara, emerged. He tried to revive the city as an independent center of commerce once again and breaking from Majapahit overlordship. Majapahit took this action as rebellion and sent massive punitive naval expedition to Palembang. Parameswara fled to Tumasik with Sang Nila Utama. There he killed the governor of the Tumasik Thai nationals, and when the Thai army attacked Tumasik, Parameswara and his followers moved to Malacca in the Malay Peninsula, and established the Kingdom of Malacca. Parameswara converted to Islam in order to marry the daughter of Pasai, and changed his name to Sultan Iskandar Shah. Malacca flourished in the 15th century, and Parameswara became the sole ruler of the Malacca Strait and waters around it.
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I think the writer mean Siamese.

He may be Indianesian. LOL

Rudrakshaman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudraksham

Rudraksham is a 1994 action Malayalam film starring Suresh Gopi, Annie and Devan. Written by Ranjith and directed by Shaji Kailas, this action movie did not meet studio expectations and was declared a flop at the box office.

He is SEAhistory coming back from the future to save himself.



I really want to know how he would explain this to other Khmer members.

Why are these Thai nationalist trying so hard to chiink up SEA history??? They only can influence SEA, not mingle with the rest of us. I'm not sure why Thailand is the only country that praise Chinese history in relation with Thai history since we all know they never really influence them until after 60 years ago. Before it was Siam and that those living in Central Thailand were all highly Siamese inhabitant. Also I'm not sure why so many Thai today especially them brainless Chinese-Thai who has no clue about Thai history and that of the people of Thailand trying to make the Siamese looks good. I mean what is so good about them, then they isolate themselves from the rest of the Asian folks? Talking about social mingle as a community. Siamese aren't the kind of people who any can trust or be friend. They always wanted to look or be White. Or most of the time, they praise being Chinese. That is one part I do not understand about these Thai from Central Thailand who seem to pull Chinese history and other Chinese stuff into Thailand that has no culture or is it relevant for Thailand.


I'm sure every single Asian here in AF can see that Thailand is a major melting pot of SEA. Especially in the middle of everyone who look at them like a push over wannabe with no Asian-ness or Asian pride. Thailand is just like the Phillippine. These two country are a place for inbreed and a sellout out for Asian women and gay mens. LMAO!

Err... are you referring to me?

I copied from where???

I don't understand it.

Where is SEAhistory?

I want him to explain how could Palembang be its own vassal state.

Suzuki was not the first and only one who proved G. Coedes's Palembang hypothesis is wrong.

I found that his theory has been proved wrong since WWII by Dutch historians !!!

Unfortunately, Coedes has a lot of followers who blindly believe him.

And sadly, his theory makes everything in a mess and history of this region is ALL wrong!!!

Including the history of Funan, Chenla and Angkor.

First These Thai Said: Khmer claim everything as Khmer.. Khmer claim this claim that as Khmer... Khmer are slave!!!!

Look if you were Khmer what do you think about this?

Then after you stay here ahile and wait to see them... what reveal you is!!

Actually, they trying to take a way Khmer identity.. they hate Khmer and France... they think Khmer is stupid, they hate any one who say Khmer Empire!!!!!! But they when anyone support them about Siam Empire, Sokothai Empire, Ayunthaya Empire... or whatever support to their theory they agreed without question it....


That why i found out it used less to keep discussion with them because when we reveal the truth they will running around!!!!

And leeporter you can quote me:

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Hope you found happiness in your life!!!!

That mean you so nationalism you cant see what is the fact of it!!!!!!! I believe that just a wast of time with an ignorance like you if I will have to repeat about it!

here

Robam Apsara Mera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqA3aynlKjA

Robam Kar rous roboh Yak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8441iW1VOY

Robam Tivak Srey Sour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIPPnaCePaU...feature=related

Robam Apsara
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhgBDZa8-lk

Can you look at your and compare?? and ask your self you they (Thai) know how to dance?

that why Khmer Culture getting more and more attractive!! See?

KhmerBoi,

Don't you feel wrong living in the fake history???

I can't live with it and so I am here to reveal the real history.

I can't help if it hurt you, but fact is fact.

Hey KhmerBoi,

Do you have any idea why SEAhistory had to disguise as an Indo member to post here?

I even I am sure my history is not fake (with my independent research) so do I are about yours?

At least i know that my history, culture and tradition make us, Khmer living in peace, living kindness, and open mind.. now look at yours? Do you think you have this? i believe you don't even know what is the definition of that! and that is a big difference for our present and future!!!!

And you should tear your eyes she it real why it call Khmer empire!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZYgPFPEQdI...feature=related

this program support by Korea government! ^^

Sruk Khmer~ What if Khmer Surin call Cambodia as Sruk Khmer too?? they must be brainwash by France too right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwnRG6VsCT0...feature=related

Cheiyo~ Sruk Khmer~

KhmerBoi, I will tell you why he had to disguise as an Indo member.

He couldn't disprove me and he was threatened by the fact that the history about Funan/Chenla/Srivijaya as you learned it was totally wrong and "Khmer Empire" is just an illusion.

That's why he had to create an Indo account to post here to show that not only Khmers who don't agree with me, even Indonesian also don't agree with me.

Too bad, the evidences I show proves that the theory of Srivijaya at Palembang is totally wrong and no one can disprove it.

And he got caught cheating... ha ha ha .. .

But I still remember that you was disagreed already by Indonesian!!!! and Is till remember that she just came to reveal the truth and laugh to you then she gone!!! and that is fact you!!! Why you easy to forget that? and again! You evidence about Funan, Chenla??? Lol Don't you realize your self that everything is just base on your own theory????? So you just show us whatever it's proved you!!!!!! And I am sure you missed extremely big big part of it!!! if you want to see get your scholarship and doing a very professional research in Cambodia, southern Vietnam as well!!! and let see what will reveal your brainwash!!!! and yet don't believe me!! Do it first!!!!!

and pls allow me to tell you the truth more!!! honestly your culture is just a joke to me!!!! When you learn about our culture you will realize.. what make us laugh when watching your Dance!!!! believe me when most of foreigner they see Khmer culture then they will realize about yours!!! that why now Khmer culture is very famous everywhere!! And remeber it's just a start!!!! If you don't want it too late post your theory and promote it throughout the World let the world see your Empire and tell them Khmer empire is fake!!!! other why you will lost everything to Khmer because of our great culture started to influence to the world!!

As well, Lolzzz I don't want to tell you this but i should!!! go to Starplus, an international Indian television.... looking for a Tv series about the Rich Man with the poor lady broadcasting around 8-9 pm.. buy it a whole DVD if you want.. some part they also show the Thai Dance!!! Wow Wow Thai Dance in Indian Wedding!! Wow Wow but if you look it carefully they just making a joke about it!!!!! ^^ lolzzzz not only Khmer who know but the INDIAN who give us this culture directly also realize about it!!!!!! Lolzzzz

Truth hurts? LOL

Khmer=Chong

Khmer is slaves class

Do you think Chong can create Indian culture? LMAO!!!

Hey Ben10boy. You import Siamese/Thai dance and everything you now call 'Khmer culture' just from 19th century. Before that you Khmer kill each orthers, burnt your own palace and everything. you didn't hav anything left. Your current culture, you got it from us. Why lie to yourselves? Can't except the truth? LMAO!!! Don't act like a snake who bite at the one who help it. It's called ungrateful. Be good to Siamese, ok? LOL

The truth of Cambodian court dance. (Thai/Siamese influenced dance)

http://kyoto-seas.org/2011/02/southeast-as...es-vol-42-no-4/

You can also download from here
http://www.mediafire.com/?9c1loxpa0rm0a7m

This is a great evidence from a third party research (Japanese) on Khmer dance. It indicates that Cambodian court dance is actually from Siamese court dance, not Angkorean *tradition*.

shut up e lao garlee LOL

You are Lao-Khmer people. Just accept the truth!



It seems that every retards here hate Chinese. I just don't know why. Maybe they kick your Lao-Khmer @$$ in USA. LMAO!!!

Sorry for disappearing for long.

Looks like its checkmate 100%. GG leeporter

And to answer, why is there no trace of Siamese language in the region? There is. Just not inscriptions. Just as in the other area of SEA it's looking likely that Malay peninsular was also multiethnic. I think it's quite obvious there were power struggles between AA and AN people's.

But look at this lol http://malaysiana1.blogspot.com/2009/04/in...s-kelantan.html

The Indonesian newspaper Surya claims the youngest of the Sultan of Kelantan, Sultan Ismail Petra's three sons, Tengku Fakhry Petra, beat up his Indonesian model and actress wife Manohara Pinot.

The paper from Surabaya in Java reported that Pinot's mother Daisy Fajarina claimed the Kelantan prince was abusive and violent towards his wife.

Tengku Fakhry is believed to be contemplating legal action against the paper and his wife's family, for "lying and slandering his family".

Tengku Fakhry married Pinot, 17, in 2007. She is of Bugis and French descent and the younger of two daughters of Daisy and her ex-husband French businessman Reiner Pinot.

[Actually, Reiner is her stepfather. Her real father was of British American ancestry, and he was Daisy's first husband]

Tengku Fakhry, Daisy claimed in the newspaper, met his future wife at a dinner with the current Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak (who was then Deputy Prime Minister) in late 2006.

Najib, before his marriage to First Lady (there is no official title of First Lady in Malaysia, and First Lady generally refers to the wife of the CEO of Malaysia) Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor of Kuala Pilah, Negeri Sembilan, was married to Tengku Zainah Tengku Iskandar, an aunt or cousin of Tengku Fakhry.

The Kelantan royal house is one of the oldest in Asia and the world, and is descended from the kings of the Mon (also called Talang or Bulang) people of Indochina.

Kelantan, the country of the Mon people, was once a mighty kingdom covering all of modern-day Kelantan and Thailand.

However, it shrunk in size over the centuries. Thailand north of Ranong became the Mon kingdom of Funan.

The Isthmus of Kra, sans the modern-day Thai provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Patani, became part of the Hmong (Miao) kingdom of Kedah and later split to become the Hmong (Miao) kingdom of Ligor (Satun).

The modern-day Thai provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Patani split from Kelantan to become the Mon kingdom of Patani.

After 1200, the Thais who were in modern-day Laos, gradually subdued Funan (also known as Suvarnabumi), and turned it into Thailand (or Siam prior to the end of World War Two).

The Thais absorbed the Mons of Funan.

The Thais also subdued Ligor and absorbed the Hmong (Miao) people.

Around 1720, Thailand forced Patani, Kedah and Kelantan to become its "protectorates".

Patani, Kedah and Kelantan had long been protectorates of the mighty kingdom of Johor in the south of the Malay Peninsula, but fell under the Thai sphere of influence as the Sultans of Johor were busy fighting Dutch invaders in the 18th century.

Thailand cut the kingdom of Perlis out of Kedah in 1821. Perlis, ruled by a nephew of the Sultan of Kedah, also became a "protected state" of Thailand.

At the same time, Thailand forced Johor's protectorate Terengganu, ruled by a branch of the Johor royal house, which is as old as Kelantan's, to become its "protected state", too.

In 1909, Britain which had then taken control of the mainland (Malay Peninsula) portion of the Johor Empire, took Perlis, Kedah, Kelantan and Terengganu out of the Thai Empire and put them back into Malaysia (the mainland portion of the Johor Empire under British control).

The Kelantan royal house is famous for producing prominent Malaysian technocrats, politicians and businessmen.

They include ex-Foreign Minister Tengku Ahmad Rithauddeen Ismail, ex-Finance Minister Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah, ex-Proton (National Automobile Company) CEO Tengku Mahaleel Ariff, businessman Tengku Azman Sharifadeen, and conservationist Tengku Zainal Adlin Mahmud.

So this is a joke for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PhS8QgAng...feature=related


SiemRatch also a Joke for you,too...When King Sam Phya conquered the land, trust me it wasn't name SiemReap as how you keep using it to insulting us! Wthout the French protectorate seeked by your king, SiemRatch would still be the name of the place...

A truely Siamese/Thai's Arts and culture....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d25wcOfcO1A...feature=related

ha ha ha .. they were sure checkmated!

And you missed the best part when SEAhistory got caught disguising as an Indo member to help himself out of the corner!!

I believe that the only source from the international that you keep posted again and again so far and I am sure you haven't get what he want to tell in that document.... but you might be a big lose when you talk with him face to face about what you claiming... I know he know exactly what he talking about but you do? You think your ignorance can really help you? This guy came and visit Cambodia last time was around Oct I gust he came for joining Phnom Penh City Exhibition.. You can email and ask him about that... he even very admire of modern Khmer Classical dance!!!! Well, I want to ask you that do you really think that it help you while raising the same source while I am given you so many source already proofing about Cambodia Royal Ballet? Even the modern scholar claim that it was Khmer to begin with and it was always Khmer who responsible for it even in SIAM court Dance...(For me: I claim nothing! ^^ hehehehe But at least I can see their proof and keep it in my mind! ^^)

Cambodian never lie we have mention what King Orngdoung done for us in our history record.. WE GIVE CREDIT TO WHO WE HAVE TOO, and I think your Siem should learn about it!!!! and Don't be jealous with us because foreigner they know how our Royal Ballet got survive until present day.. and you should understand what your position is in that case! ^^

And you should complain this guy for it!! ^^ and you again! should NOTES what is your POSITION in foreigner EYES!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyqTU4iPnnI

Sick of Khmer Empire again??? ^^ that why I ask you to public your theory as soon as possible and let see the international reaction!!! ^^ Good luck!!

Once Dalai Lama said “Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.”

I am here not to hurt Thai people but I just want you (Thai) realize why Thailand is getting very sick right now in her society~ I believe in will exploded in one day like it's already happen in Cambodia!!

Moreover I also believe that All suffering is caused by ignorance. People inflict pain on others in the selfish pursuit of their own happiness or satisfaction, You also in that position! when ignorance is your master, there is no possibility of real peace.

And please also understand that so far I never experience hurt cause by you guys here.. and if you want you can keep trying more.


Loves,

KhmerBoi

Jealous?

Umm...Well...I could careless on how you promoted or modified your culture in anyway, as long as you stop your false accusation toward us Siamese/Thai like how you've done when you first arrived into this forum...

The royal house of kalentan are Mon descent!!!!! What does it say about ancient Malay penninsular lol no trace of Mon people? What BS lol

Hi PeaceMan!

Yes, It a joke!!! and always a joke when your friend claiming about the history of that name!!!! Don't missed their part.. and I believe you get my point! Or you also one of them who liek to play the word around?

Siem Reap was name by King Arng Chan reachea.. in 16 century it was change into Siem Ratch because of the Thai tricky with our king... When I say tricky you should learn about history of it.. why it is tricky? or it doesn't existed in your history record, like when you said your king cut my king's head to take blood to wast his feet while it wasn't true?

Yes, we took Siem Reap back through France power who your call the wolf and don't you think you also a wolf in our eyes?

The point for now is! Khmer people know how to put Thailand and France in their right position and Thailand keep their right on Cambodia's land... So if I would question Thai people, it would be DO YOU REALLY WANT TO KEEP STEAL OUR LAND? if so we Khmer fight until our last blood!

Come on my first Arrive?? What? you mean this?

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=284894

But it not that point?? or I am lie? We Khmer/Lao really note think that you are thief? So if that the case what you Thai do for reveal the truth? think about it!

Anything can tell more then a high budget performance?

yeah, you are right! I made a misstake in not using the places that he want after (Maleya and Kedah), so you caught me on a misstake. Very good for you!

But I have gathering a lot more information ever since, and I will post soon why Mon had nothing to do backed up with evidence. And the report on Suzuki actually has some important findins that could be true, but only a couple.

Since when am I Indo???? Hahahahahah

Please not go to far, I am really busy these days, but I'm still working on my e-mail to Suzuki and on my findings about Tun-Sun and Mon people, and I will show you real evidence.