If we use SEAhistory's logic that Cham is Khmer. We could say Mon is Siamese.

It's possible. Malay are the great seafarer. Malay went far west and reached Africa! I remember Malay xylophones found in Africa too. Perhaps, these Malays brought back some African to SEA?

High possibility.

Khmer base-5 counting system is not similar to any counting system of any races in SEA, not even similar to Tamil.

It's possible that Khmers were brought from Africa by Indians or Malay to work as labor.

We should do more research on what Indians did regarding Africa. It can solve the question where Khmers are from.

Very interesting, isn't it?

This is what I found from a quick searching. It probably Arab who responsibled for the presence of African slaves in SEA.

The Arab slave trade lasted more than a millennium.[16][17] Slaves in the Arab World came from many different regions, including Sub-Saharan Africa (mainly Zanj), the Caucasus (mainly Circassians),[18] Central Asia (mainly Tartars), and Central and Eastern Europe (mainly Saqaliba).[19]
The medieval scholar and traveler Ibn Battuta states several times that he was given or purchased slaves.[20] The Arab slave trade is thought to have originated with trans-Saharan slavery.[21][22] Arab, Indian, and Oriental traders were involved in the capture and transport of slaves northward across the Sahara desert and the Indian Ocean region into Arabia and the Middle East, Persia, Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent.[23][24] The slave trade from East Africa to Arabia was dominated by Arab and African traders in the coastal cities of Zanzibar, Dar Es Salaam and Mombasa.[24][25] Tens of thousands of black Zanj slaves were imported to lower Iraq, where they may have, according to Richard Hellie, constituted at least a half of the total population there in the 9th and 10th centuries. At the same time, many tens of thousands of slaves in the region were also imported from Central Asia and the Caucasus.[26]


Newly Arrived at the harem (Giulio Rosati)
Male slaves were employed as servants, soldiers, or laborers, while female slaves were traded to Middle Eastern countries and kingdoms by Arab, Indian, or Oriental traders, some as domestic servants and others in harems.[27][28][29] Some historians estimate that between 11 and 17 million slaves crossed the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara Desert from 650 to 1900 AD.[30][31] The Moors, starting in the 8th century, raided coastal areas around the Mediterranean and Atlantic Ocean, and became known as the Barbary pirates. It is estimated that they captured 1.25 million slaves from Western Europe and North America between the 16th and 19th centuries.[32][33]

They would say anything to promote their 'master race', even to discredit the Mon. I really think that the French concept of 'Khmer Empire" is totally wrong. This concept confuse people and the Khmer themselves. There were no empires but great cities. Rulers of these cities fought each other, not to kill other people, but to distribute their religious believes (Hindu vs Buddhism) and to take people back to populate to their cities. Western concept is to draw fixed boundary by language people speak, which cannot be applied to SEA, becos SEA people were/are multi-ethnics with Indian culture to begin with.

May I ask a question?

Do real Khmer (I mean relatively real Khmer, no Chinese, Viet or Thai mix) have white teeth or yellow teeth?

It just shows SEAHisotry owned your @$$, he provided solid evidence and you do nothing but connect things by manipulating the sounds of words to fit your agenda....It's fu-king hilarious how you reach when you're losing, and now you result to insults while SEAhistory remains a it a calm cool state. LOL

I challenge you to show me any truth scholar that believes in your bull$hit and I'll give you a cookie.

Actually, you don't deserve my attention but I just want to ask you why Khmer counting system is different from their master Khom, different from Cham, Malay and other races around here.

It's obvious they were brought from somewhere else far from here.

And I already show you that Khmer's counting system is alien to SEA, not even close to Malay.

I think SEAhistory owned Cham and Mon asses. LOL

He think Cham is Khmer and disown any Mon connections.



before you challenge anyone, you should reveal your normal account first. LOL What a coward phyche specie.

You go search and you will find a lot of non-main stream scholars who think like me, specially Japanese and Chinese scholars.

so the debate has concluded and SEAhistory won. You tapped out and bring up somthing totally unrelated to the topic?

look at me I'm leeporter descendant of khom...khom rhymes with syam and that rhymes with tai so Chenla is Chinese?

Brilliant! someone give this wannabe historian a cookie.

These 'master race' and their western scholars discredit Chinese evidence too. But Funan wouldn't exist with no Chinese records. These people are truly hypocrite.

Yes, first he tried to link with Mon. After he realized that it's not possible because Mon's civilization existed long before Angkor, he switched to link with Cham instead.

And now I am showing them that Khmer counting system and Champa's counting system are different.

Let's see what theory he will come up with next.

Didn't you read SEAhistory's conclusion? Cham is Khmer, (in your language, Cham rhymes with Khmer, and that rhyme with Malay) LOL
So Khmer can claim Malay culture. You are what a hypocrite troll.

Wow! You go back to read the thread again. I never talked about Cham before.

It was him who brought up the theory of Khmer as Cham and I am now disproving him.

I was cornering him on the location of Zaba at Chaiya and the story of Indravarman III and KPM.

It was him who jumped out and talk about Cham.

I am now making him no place to go.

He said the Cham and Khmer intermix and are tied to DNA, all before Champa so it is quite plausable that groups of mixed Khmer and Cham form Champa.

unlike dumb thais who have no relation with mon or Khmer but claim both our culture. Hello? pure tai have small eyes.

SEAhistory, you tell this bastard troll who jumped out to talk about Cham while we were discussing about Zaba and Indravarman III?

You already lost since the second page. What's even more stupid is you think Chenla people spoke Tai.

JAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAAJAJJAJAJAJ , such ballsy claims without a shred of evidence.

You're a fu-king moron.

Chaiya is real candidate to be Sri Vijaya of Mon people (my believe). You may think Tai people (which also have possibility about the name of rulers). But SEAsian try so hard to link Khmer with Malay. He did say Chaiya inscription is Old Malay language which is not true at all. The language is Sanskirt, and the script is Post Pallava which prove nothing about the people. But we know Mon were indigenous to the whole Thailand. I think it's likely people of Srivijaya Chaiya were Mon than Malay. If SEAasian wanna claim Sri Vijaya of Malay race, I think he should connect his Khmer to Malay of Palembang, than Mon (or Tai?) of Chaiya.

Bastard is a word reserved for people like you who's dad jump out the window when the whore turned around to put on her clothes.

Well, if you believe that they didn't speak Tai, dispove me.

I asked you many times that if you don't think Hun-Tien was Khun Tian and Hun Pankuang was Khun Pan Wang, a Tai name, you show me what language it was, Malay, Cham, Khmer?

SEAhistory said Cham was Khmer and I disproved him by showing that Khmer counting system is not the same as of Cham.

That's how to disprove things.

what a khmer troll. LOL

at least you make this tread not to be too serious.

Real scholars not your HI5 friends...

Of course they would have sino-fied sounding names, idiot. It came from East Asian source, as it would be Indian-fied if he came from Indian source, fool.

Is that your only connection?...FAIL

At first I though he was a Lao troll.

But when I started talking about Wolof and Khmer and he jumped in, I knew he is a Khmer troll.

Yes, he quite entertained us.

If you don't know anything about this, shut up and wait for SEAhistory to fix his problem, ok?

I am hungry now, will have my lunch and come back later.


BTW, SEAhistory, if you need this Khmer troll to be your helper, please let me know.
It's a wasting of my time responding his garbage.
But if you confirm that he can help you make more score than loosing it, please let me know.

ha ha ha .. .

You call me the troll? but you are 27 pages in with no solid proof. I've made more sense than you from my last 5 post alone.

Chenla spoke Tai cause "Hun Tien" sounds Chinese. Genius

Tear your eyes, go back to read his reply to me. He said Cham is Khmer. LOL

So you think Siamese are pure Tai? what a retard. You should stop learning 200-year-old French-made history ok? Siamese is Mon Dvaravati mixed with Khom Lavo. Truly as that. Medieval Siamese mixed with Tai Chiangsaen. Siamese have too many relatives. If I use SEAhistory's logic, I'd say Mon is Siamese. Khom is Siamese, Tai is Siamese.But in fact Siamese is Mon, Khom and Tai. Same as Khmer is Cham,Pear,Phnong and so on.

I don't think Siamese have small eyes. It must be Lao, becos they claim their ancestor were from Nanchao, China.

Yes, go eat some fish, some brain food cause obviously, falang schlong entering your mouth and poking your brain is not helping with your intelligence.

It's lunch time! enjoy trolling PongThep the Khmer troll.

Why can't they be Khmer if they're mix? he didn't say malay is Khmer.

Khom lavo? the fu-k is that? now you're making up ethnics.

He is referring to the combo of Khmer/Cham forming Champa, can't you read idiot?

I also agree that they are misinterpreting what SEAhistory was saying. But let's leave it at that. He'll bring more findings and I'm sure it will get more interesting as it goes on.

You're right. All of them must keep an open mind. That is the reason why I continued to read up on this thread, but I nearly stopped reading after some of the posts started to heavily criticized (and at times even insulted) SEAhistory for not accepting their own findings or differing from there facts. What they should know is they should post what they have and let it be. The silent readers will read from both side and make our own conclusion. However, I understand that some facts will need to be repudiated and rebutted. But let's try to keep it friendly in doing so.

Tear your eyes, idiot troll
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Some one please get this troll out of this thread.
He can't even distinguish Tai and Chinese.

And he has no clue what I was talking about.

You felt him being insulted because he and you couldn't argue with what I presented.

So, only a smiley or laughing icon become an insult to you.

Wolof boy,



Real Khmer girls (not Chinese Khmer or Viet Khmers)



You got to kill me to force me to believe that they are not related.

I didn't say Khmer were from Wolof, but their similar counting system cane be useful to track down where in Africa, Khmers were from.

Their counting system indicates that they are alien to SEA.

You know he's been called a retard, dumbass, and an idiot. Yet, he still debated with you and he kept sharing with you his findings. But it just pisses you off that you needed to have the last laugh with your smiley faces. Go ahead and use it because it's there for you to use. I use it too, but some of us don't use it the way you do

Carry on...

She looks Indian to me, or are you going to say Indians are also Wolof? Haha!

Err.. I never called him retard or dumbass.

I only called him idiot once in a while when he showed that he is real idiot like when he tried to claim that the stone script I posted was in Malay (when it's in Sanskrit)

If you don't want me to call him idiot, you want me to call him what?

Well, Indians don't count in base 5.

If I am not wrong, Egyptian and most of the world, including most of Indians (such as Tamil), counted in base 10

Mayans counted in base 20.

Some African and Aborigines cultures counted in base 5.

Native American cultures counted in base 8.

In SEA, only Khmers count in base 5 like Africans and Aborigines.

Don't you think they are connected?

Errr... I was referring to all those who has debated with him.

And call him whatever you want, he really doesn't care.

So what I don't care. Not everyone adopt the same thing. Deal with it.

Your Khmer trolls called me with several names and did I care?

Would their calling make my argument less solid?

They even involved in Sabai's personal life to discredit him, and why you have no single word to them?




You don't care but I and many other members here do.

It may lead to a discovery of from where and how Khmers were brought to SEA.

I don't like it either, and I have also said on another thread that was directed towards Sabai that I do not condole personal attacks.

You can keep saying whatever you want, but if you want to waste time responding to those calling you names, then go ahead.

Whatever argument you want to bring relating to the topic is fine with me. I don't care. I will read it along with others argument relating to the topic as well.


If you're asking me, then I don't care. But I'm sure someone else will give you an answer.

Kdaw_Tmaw, I didn't care what they called me, SEAhistory didn't care it, nobody here care it.

But it's you who waste our time posting below message




If you don't care, I don't care, SEAhistory don't care, nobody care, then just read the content and help me kick Khmer trolls out of this thread to make it clean.




Good, then keep shut and wait for other member to give their opinion on this.

Why read my message? Go ahead and keep doing what you want to do opposite of what I wrote. Maybe that's why it bothers you.

And it's not my job to kick others out. But I tried to calm things down if you didn't noticed because you just don't care. hahaha!

Next time if you want me to keep shut, then don't ask me anything.... drrrr

Then stop and wait for SEAhistory to explain his quinary counting system of Khmer and how it related to Cham.

I am sure he can explain it. ha ha ha ..

Let me step back to where we were before being interrupted by Khmer trolls.

Above is Cham and Malay counting system They are base 10.

And those of an African tribe is base 5.

Mon's counting system is also base 10.

0 Sunya
1 Muo
2 Ba
3 Poi
4 Pon
5 Ma Chun
6 Tarao
7 Taporhor
8 Taejam
9 Taejit
10 JorHor
11 JorHorMua

Khmer's counting system are so unique that we can't find it related to any race in SEA.
Only found it in Africa tribes and Aborigines.

Anyone have any idea about the counting system of dong son?