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Ogumo
A demonstration Saturday in central China against Japan's bid to obtain a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council turned violent as protestors vandalized a Japanese-owned supermarket there, it was learned Sunday.

According to the Japanese Consulate General in Chongqing, following the three-hour demonstration in Chengdu, Sichuan Province, around 30 people smashed windows of the Ito-Yokado outlet. There were unconfirmed reports of some people being detained. Including onlookers, several hundred people had gathered in front of the store during the incident.

http://japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=...890&display=all

I wonder if any of these criminals will be punished for this. icon_rolleyes.gif
Chinese DesertFox
Edit.
Ogumo
Trust me they wont. China is hypicritical and childish that way.
Chinese DesertFox
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 3 2005, 10:48 PM)
Trust me they wont. China is hypicritical and childish that way.
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Sure sure. cool30.gif
chynagongju
They should be punished.
Ogumo
But they will not. It is unfortunate that pictures of this were not released.
Chinese DesertFox
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 3 2005, 11:10 PM)
But they will not. It is unfortunate that pictures of this were not released.
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Incorrect.













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chynagongju
not cool. I'm disappointed in the Chinese people for acting like this. And showing their immaturity by having a banner saying f_uck Japanese. Even more so because it says Japanese and not Japan, therefore declaring that they're against all Japanese people. Ridiculous. They should be punished.
Chinese DesertFox
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 3 2005, 11:22 PM)
not cool. I'm disappointed in the Chinese people for acting like this. And showing their immaturity by having a banner saying f_uck Japanese. Even more so because it says Japanese and not Japan, therefore declaring that they're against all Japanese people. Ridiculous. They should be punished.
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Immature?

Looks like a pretty bold move to me. embarassedlaugh.gif
chynagongju
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Apr 3 2005, 10:24 PM)
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 3 2005, 11:22 PM)
not cool. I'm disappointed in the Chinese people for acting like this. And showing their immaturity by having a banner saying f_uck Japanese. Even more so because it says Japanese and not Japan, therefore declaring that they're against all Japanese people. Ridiculous. They should be punished.
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Immature?

Looks like a pretty bold move to me. embarassedlaugh.gif
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Bold that it shows how stupid the Chinese people who did this were. The owners and workers etc of that Japanese store had nothing to do with what is currently going on with the UN bid. Why do they have to be punished for it? Sorry, but I can't see at all from your point of view. I can see how a protest could be appropriate, but the banner and the breaking in of the store is overdoing it and shows their stupidity and immaturity in these kinds of situations.

Love through hatred. It doesn't work that way. I won't accept your argument of love for the motherland shown through this action.

My bottomline: These people should be punished, and they should pay for the repairs of the store.
item1702
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 3 2005, 11:31 PM)
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Apr 3 2005, 10:24 PM)
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 3 2005, 11:22 PM)
not cool. I'm disappointed in the Chinese people for acting like this. And showing their immaturity by having a banner saying f_uck Japanese. Even more so because it says Japanese and not Japan, therefore declaring that they're against all Japanese people. Ridiculous. They should be punished.
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Immature?

Looks like a pretty bold move to me. embarassedlaugh.gif
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Bold that it shows how stupid the Chinese people who did this were. The owners and workers etc of that Japanese store had nothing to do with what is currently going on with the UN bid. Why do they have to be punished for it? Sorry, but I can't see at all from your point of view. I can see how a protest could be appropriate, but the banner and the breaking in of the store is overdoing it and shows their stupidity and immaturity in these kinds of situations.

Love through hatred. It doesn't work that way. I won't accept your argument of love for the motherland shown through this action.

My bottomline: These people should be punished, and they should pay for the repairs of the store.
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I totally agree with you, chynagongju. biggthumpup.gif

While reading through this thread I kept trying to say to myself not all Chinese people are like Chinese DesertFox. icon_rolleyes.gif embarassedlaugh.gif2
Chinese DesertFox
To sink to that level disgraces our culture. How can it be called civilized if that behavior is condoned or applauded?

Actions like these will continue to give Japanese reason to increase their own nationalistic and militaristic attitudes.
chynagongju
@item_________glad to have kept you from thinking that. not that xu isn't a cool guy normally. biggrin.gif

@Xu_______well I feel that China should set an example. As you know, one of the biggest issues between the two is the Nanking Massacre right? And so many Chinese are upset over the fact that Japan does not apologize and take responsibility for their wrongdoing. Although this is a MUCH MUCH smaller scale, it still holds the same principle. Take the blame when you do something wrong. Set an example. Admit when you are wrong. Be the "bigger person."
item1702
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Apr 3 2005, 11:36 PM)
To sink to that level disgraces our culture.  How can it be called civilized if that behavior is condoned or applauded?

Actions like these will continue to give Japanese reason to increase their own nationalistic and militaristic attitudes.
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confused.gif Ok, that was a turn around.

I see you deleted your first post though. sure.gif
ScanSoul
Don't twist the true meaning of the cause of the protests or resentment,I dont blame on these people...i blame it on the japanese government for twisting the history book and visting the shirne of the war crimnals....if i can i would bomb that shrine
Jasel
pathetic when people behave that way.
ScanSoul
QUOTE (Jasel @ Apr 4 2005, 12:47 AM)
pathetic when people behave that way.
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its even more pathetic when the government twisting the trueth and telling them the lies........ icon_twisted.gif
Ogumo
Chinese DesertFox: Thankyou for the pictures chinaman. My collection needed an update.

item1702:

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While reading through this thread I kept trying to say to myself not all Chinese people are like Chinese DesertFox. 


Many can be much worse. Usually they will whine right along with their destructive behavior.

ScanSoul:

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Don't twist the true meaning of the cause of the protests or resentment,I..


Incorrect. The chinese turned this from protest to full riot and attack on a japanese store. It shows their lack of self control. It spelled out for you right on those banners of theirs.





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i blame it on the japanese government for twisting the history book and visting the shirne of the war crimnals....

Whine whine whine. Blame japan. Of course this is always the easiest answer for chinese and korean aggresion.

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if i can i would bomb that shrine


Don't talk. Do so. Bomb that shrine.
skat3r
When the old men die then we can all move on.
Mr. Tree
Its easy for you to say to tell us all to forgive an forget, but the kinda of dishonour your punk @$$ millitary pigs did in the past isnt fair game.

of course people are still pissed, why shouldnt they be? if it were the other way around and japan was screwed over. you would definately be singing a different tune
Ogumo
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Its easy for you to say to tell us all to forgive an forget, but the kinda of dishonour your punk @$$ millitary pigs did in the past isnt fair game.


This does not excuse the actions of these criminal chinese toward these people. You fail to realize that.
Adee
Bare in mind the people working in that store are mostly Chinese, they're going to have a hard time cleaning up the mess for nothing. Peaceful protest is a good thing but not when they start causing damage.
khu91x
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 07:08 AM)
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Its easy for you to say to tell us all to forgive an forget, but the kinda of dishonour your punk @$$ millitary pigs did in the past isnt fair game.


This does not excuse the actions of these criminal chinese toward these people. You fail to realize that.
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It doesn't excuse actions of criminal chinese , but I don't think you should be one to speak of that. I don't have a problem with any other country that asks chinese to apologize but not you. Because other countries actually acknowledge and did something about there crimes and made up for it. You on the other hand are just being a hypocrite.( I refer to you to Japan.)
chynagongju
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 06:22 AM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 07:08 AM)
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Its easy for you to say to tell us all to forgive an forget, but the kinda of dishonour your punk @$$ millitary pigs did in the past isnt fair game.


This does not excuse the actions of these criminal chinese toward these people. You fail to realize that.
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It doesn't excuse actions of criminal chinese , but I don't think you should be one to speak of that. I don't have a problem with any other country that asks chinese to apologize but not you. Because other countries actually acknowledge and did something about there crimes and made up for it. You on the other hand are just being a hypocrite.( I refer to you to Japan.)
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Derr...wouldn't it be hypocritical of China to NOT apologize on their own? Like I said before, China is asking for an apology of a wrongdoing that Japan did, and Japan won't give it to China. Now, on a much much smaller scale, but the principle is the same, [Japan isn't even ASKING for one I think...] apologize when you're wrong. These people were clearly wrong.
khu91x
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 4 2005, 11:43 AM)
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 06:22 AM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 07:08 AM)
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Its easy for you to say to tell us all to forgive an forget, but the kinda of dishonour your punk @$$ millitary pigs did in the past isnt fair game.


This does not excuse the actions of these criminal chinese toward these people. You fail to realize that.
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It doesn't excuse actions of criminal chinese , but I don't think you should be one to speak of that. I don't have a problem with any other country that asks chinese to apologize but not you. Because other countries actually acknowledge and did something about there crimes and made up for it. You on the other hand are just being a hypocrite.( I refer to you to Japan.)
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Derr...wouldn't it be hypocritical of China to NOT apologize on their own? Like I said before, China is asking for an apology of a wrongdoing that Japan did, and Japan won't give it to China. Now, on a much much smaller scale, but the principle is the same, [Japan isn't even ASKING for one I think...] apologize when you're wrong. These people were clearly wrong.
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Like I said it is wrong and they should apologize. But doesn't the Japanese feel any embarassment/shame for asking for one and being a hypocrite? My main point is don't expect something from others that your not willing to do yourself. I don't think the Japanese care anyways , since it's not on their land. It's just making them resent the Chinese even more.
Kalee Flavour
At least they didin't raped and killed the supermarket staff.
chynagongju
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 10:58 AM)
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 4 2005, 11:43 AM)
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 06:22 AM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 07:08 AM)
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Its easy for you to say to tell us all to forgive an forget, but the kinda of dishonour your punk @$$ millitary pigs did in the past isnt fair game.


This does not excuse the actions of these criminal chinese toward these people. You fail to realize that.
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It doesn't excuse actions of criminal chinese , but I don't think you should be one to speak of that. I don't have a problem with any other country that asks chinese to apologize but not you. Because other countries actually acknowledge and did something about there crimes and made up for it. You on the other hand are just being a hypocrite.( I refer to you to Japan.)
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Derr...wouldn't it be hypocritical of China to NOT apologize on their own? Like I said before, China is asking for an apology of a wrongdoing that Japan did, and Japan won't give it to China. Now, on a much much smaller scale, but the principle is the same, [Japan isn't even ASKING for one I think...] apologize when you're wrong. These people were clearly wrong.
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Like I said it is wrong and they should apologize. But doesn't the Japanese feel any embarassment/shame for asking for one and being a hypocrite? My main point is don't expect something from others that your not willing to do yourself. I don't think the Japanese care anyways , since it's not on their land. It's just making them resent the Chinese even more.
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Did they ask for an apology? I never heard that part. I just said that China should be the "bigger person" and issue one on their own, setting an example for the Japanese that even though this is a very minor event compared to the Nanking Massacre, they apologized.

@Kalee_Flavour_______I think the supermarket staff was Chinese. They just smashed the store because it was Japanese.
khu91x
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 4 2005, 01:03 PM)
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 10:58 AM)
QUOTE (chynagongju @ Apr 4 2005, 11:43 AM)
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 06:22 AM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 07:08 AM)
QUOTE
Its easy for you to say to tell us all to forgive an forget, but the kinda of dishonour your punk @$$ millitary pigs did in the past isnt fair game.


This does not excuse the actions of these criminal chinese toward these people. You fail to realize that.
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It doesn't excuse actions of criminal chinese , but I don't think you should be one to speak of that. I don't have a problem with any other country that asks chinese to apologize but not you. Because other countries actually acknowledge and did something about there crimes and made up for it. You on the other hand are just being a hypocrite.( I refer to you to Japan.)
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Derr...wouldn't it be hypocritical of China to NOT apologize on their own? Like I said before, China is asking for an apology of a wrongdoing that Japan did, and Japan won't give it to China. Now, on a much much smaller scale, but the principle is the same, [Japan isn't even ASKING for one I think...] apologize when you're wrong. These people were clearly wrong.
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Like I said it is wrong and they should apologize. But doesn't the Japanese feel any embarassment/shame for asking for one and being a hypocrite? My main point is don't expect something from others that your not willing to do yourself. I don't think the Japanese care anyways , since it's not on their land. It's just making them resent the Chinese even more.
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Did they ask for an apology? I never heard that part. I just said that China should be the "bigger person" and issue one on their own, setting an example for the Japanese that even though this is a very minor event compared to the Nanking Massacre, they apologized.

@Kalee_Flavour_______I think the supermarket staff was Chinese. They just smashed the store because it was Japanese.
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Yeah I do agree with you they should just apologize since it was a racist demonstration and they should apologize to the owner of the store , so unfortunate lol. Alot of young people in China have a strong resentment for Japanese , and also because they are growing more suspiscious of Japanese agenda to revert to military imperialism. I really do hope the hate ends because it will only lead to war , but this is really up to the fate of the two nations.
damahu69
thousands participated in demonstration but only a handful engaged in riots.

perfectly normal. there are always mobs in a crowd, no need to get all worked up with that.

if you want to engage in china bashing or self-laothing, just do it. but please don't use this incident as an excuse, since it cheapens those protesters who participated in their own will and with fullest sincere.

they are also risking jail times. for those ignorant few who think China government staged this, let me tell you this: in China, the government doesn't like ANY protest for ANY cause. Since protestation itself amounts to a chellenge to the authority, the government considers any protest a threat that needs to be clamped down, and you know how a control freak China governmetn is.
Ogumo
Adee:

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Peaceful protest is a good thing but not when they start causing damage.


This is my point exactly.

khu91x:

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but I don't think you should be one to speak of that.


Well I certainly believe that I have the right to speak on that. Not only do I have this right. I will use it every chance that I get.

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Because other countries actually acknowledge and did something about there crimes and made up for it.


Incorrect. Japan has contributed countless ODA to china since the 1950s. If this is not reparation I don't what is.

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You on the other hand are just being a hypocrite


Not quite as hypicritical as china. Not this time. cool30.gif

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But doesn't the Japanese feel any embarassment/shame for asking for one and being a hypocrite?


Why the hell should we? You said it yourself an appology was in order.

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I don't think the Japanese care anyways , since it's not on their land


It's the principle comrade. It's principle...

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It's just making them resent the Chinese even more.


The chinese only have their lack of self control to blame.

chynagongju:

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Derr...wouldn't it be hypocritical of China to NOT apologize on their own? Like I said before, China is asking for an apology of a wrongdoing that Japan did, and Japan won't give it to China. Now, on a much much smaller scale, but the principle is the same, [Japan isn't even ASKING for one I think...] apologize when you're wrong. These people were clearly wrong.


I honestly do appreciate your efforts here. Anyway appology from the chinese government will not matter. This was not the government's doing.

Kalee Flavour:

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At least they didin't raped and killed the supermarket staff.


Well not this time. Who can say for certain what they will do next?
damahu69
well I am just glad they didn't hunt down and kill some japanese like what happened in Detroit during 80s when lots american autoworkers lost their jobs because of japanese imports.
Ogumo
Oh yeah! I almost forgot about that ridiculous scene. Thank you for reminding me.
chynagongju
QUOTE (damahu69 @ Apr 4 2005, 12:19 PM)
thousands participated in demonstration but only a handful engaged in riots.

perfectly normal. there are always mobs in a crowd, no need to get all worked up with that.

if you want to engage in china bashing or self-laothing, just do it. but please don't use this incident as an excuse, since it cheapens those protesters who participated in their own will and with fullest sincere.

they are also risking jail times. for those ignorant few who think China government staged this, let me tell you this: in China, the government doesn't like ANY protest for ANY cause. Since protestation itself amounts to a chellenge to the authority, the government considers any protest a threat that needs to be clamped down, and you know how a control freak China governmetn is.
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Of course, not blaming the whole situation all all who were protesting or demonstrating, just those who participated in the breaking in of the store. They should be punished for that. Just using the situation as an example of principle in terms of issuing apologies.

Did anyone say that the government staged this? I don't think so...not so far anyways.

I also have a big problem with that banner, which I blame on whoever made it and supported it. Ignorance.
Mid-Night_Sun
lol... prolly not the best course of action... ~_^ however, i think dis beef has gone down ALOT. i mean its jus a store...i think dey used to do a liiitttllleee worse things then break some windows...plus it duznt happen as often. least not here lol.
Sae
If the current japanese government can stop doing this stupid whitewashing thing and dump their "samurai" spirit, everything will be fine, and clearly stupid actions like this will not happen anymore... sure.gif
Ogumo
^ Right. Put all the blame on japan. It's japan that took these people by the hand and forced them to riot. Give me a break.
khu91x
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 02:14 PM)
^ Right. Put all the blame on japan. It's japan that took these people by the hand and forced them to riot. Give me a break.
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Let me ask you a question , do you think Japan is the source of the problem , Or is it just a coincidence in Asia they hate Japanese for no reason?
Sae
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 08:14 PM)
^ Right. Put all the blame on japan. It's japan that took these people by the hand and forced them to riot. Give me a break.
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Right. IF the japanese government DIDN'T deny what occured during WWII. do you really think people will come upp with these stupid riots? give ME a break.
Ogumo
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 02:23 PM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 02:14 PM)
^ Right. Put all the blame on japan. It's japan that took these people by the hand and forced them to riot. Give me a break.
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Let me ask you a question , do you think Japan is the source of the problem , Or is it just a coincidence in Asia they hate Japanese for no reason?
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How is japan the source of the problem when it is the chinese such as these that we just read about having a lack of control?

Sae:

When it comes to koreans I really can't say.
khu91x
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (khu91x @ Apr 4 2005, 02:23 PM)
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Apr 4 2005, 02:14 PM)
^ Right. Put all the blame on japan. It's japan that took these people by the hand and forced them to riot. Give me a break.
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Let me ask you a question , do you think Japan is the source of the problem , Or is it just a coincidence in Asia they hate Japanese for no reason?
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How is japan the source of the problem when it is the chinese such as these that we just read about having a lack of control?

Sae:

When it comes to koreans I really can't say.
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Ah I see ,okay but lets not focus on the attack of the store , we all know a few guys got heated and overreacted. So I wanna ask do you think they protest out of lack of self control also?
Ogumo
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So I wanna ask do you think they protest out of lack of self control also?


I am fine with the protest. If they have a problem this is certainly an acceptable thing to do.
khu91x
Well in case if you didn't notice , all these protests all boil down to the Japanese Government which is the source of the problem. This is the real issue here, don't let some kids who overreact take your focus away from the real issue . I am glad you know what is appropriate and not , I hope the Japanese government and these stupid kids learn that too.
blatant
*sighs*

this is depressing. yet unsurprising.

chinese peopple in mainland china are so cute sometimes.

cute=stupid, stupid, stupid.

and this is coming from a chinese (ethnically)
康师傅
QUOTE (skat3r @ Apr 4 2005, 05:52 AM)
When the old men die then we can all move on.
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it ain't that easy son... a lot of movement are causes by young people...
embarassedlaugh.gif2
you can't blame on chinese... if japanese in the same situation as we do, they will do the same too.

i support chinese and korean aint japanese movement.
I wonder why japanese can't apologize to chinese and korean about what they had done at WW2, even German apologzied to jewish about what they had done at WW2...stupid Japanese
Jasel
im sorry i really dont see how anyone can actually try to defend the rioters icon_confused.gif attacking a Japanese store in China is not only childish/idiotic it's also pointless. Ya i think they obviously did lack self-control. Im not saying that it has anything to do with them racially. I dont care if it was a bunch of Brits attacking a German store in England it's still completely idiotic.
Chinese DesertFox
If China is to be a leader in diplomacy and respected then actions like that should not be tolerated. Those actions, if left unchecked can affect foreign business and the overall growth in China.
康师傅
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Apr 4 2005, 04:46 PM)
If China is to be a leader in diplomacy and respected then actions like that should not be tolerated. Those actions, if left unchecked can affect foreign business and the overall growth in China.
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how come theres foreign store in china they don't let chinese shop there???
can u explain...
Eclectic Asian
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i wonder why "that" was in English....

aside from that, 2 days have passed....what is the current situation?
Kalee Flavour
Becoz it's more easier to say that in English. There is no Chinese translation for that.
Musashino
QUOTE (damahu69 @ Apr 4 2005, 01:19 PM)
thousands participated in demonstration but only a handful engaged in riots.

perfectly normal. there are always mobs in a crowd, no need to get all worked up with that.

if you want to engage in china bashing or self-laothing, just do it. but please don't use this incident as an excuse, since it cheapens those protesters who participated in their own will and with fullest sincere.

they are also risking jail times. for those ignorant few who think China government staged this, let me tell you this: in China, the government doesn't like ANY protest for ANY cause. Since protestation itself amounts to a chellenge to the authority, the government considers any protest a threat that needs to be clamped down, and you know how a control freak China governmetn is.
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I read an article before which had an in-depth look on the anti-Japan protests and the supposed "conspiracy" behind it:

Any protests staged in relation to domestic issues will attract troops and be clamped down in less time it took for the people to organise the demonstration.

However, if the protests have nothing to do with internal problems, then it's perfectly fine. It's little wonder that the government allowed anti-Japanese and anti-U.S. protests to drag on for days before reeling them in and sending its PR team to do some damage control. One of the reasons why a big campaign was made to "discourage" anymore similar incidents was because the government wouldn't want those protests to violently blow up and turn the demonstrators' focus on other issues (i.e. CCP-related) as well.

Those protests do serve a purpose though - it directs attention away from domestic issues and turns the focus on an external source (i.e. someone else is weathering the damages, not the CCP).

So I guess the "control freak" that is the Chinese government only rears its head when it comes to Falun Gong, Tibet, or any other problem exclusive to China. Otherwise, the CCP probably won't bother itself too much when they're not caught at the other end of the flaming stick. In fact, they'll probably be the ones in front of the fire with a gigantic paper fan in hand...
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