QUOTE (Kdaw_Tmaw @ Jan 10 2012, 08:36 PM)
I stated that Siem/Siam/Syam emerged during the reign of Suryavarman II which is in the early 12th century around 1113-1150. However, an interesting fact is in Mon history it also mention that it was receiving Tai migrations into its northern territory at the same time around 1000 AD when they were under Khmer rule. Now this is the beginning of the creation of Siem. I know some Lao members in here will deny any relation to early Siem, but it's most likely that the creation of Siem is a mix consisting of Mon, Khmer and Tai group living among the Northern territory of Khmer land. Suryavarman II (an usurper Khmer king) took advantage and gather some small pockets of Siems to join his military campaign to rule the Khmer Kingdom. Now this does not mean that Siem built Angkor just because Suryavarman had some of them fighting alongside his army.
lol which Mon record is this?
Anyway. The Po Nagar inscription lists the peoples that were captured as slaves and presented to the temple as a offering.
The list goes has Bagan, Syam, Lav, Kvir. Scholars have mistaken Kvir as "Khmer" and this is clearly seen in many papers written about the subject. However, the name Kvir appears again on a later inscription to mean Virapura, not "Khmer" as is first thought (did it have to be Khmer because it had a K in the beginning? lol)
This is a list of peoples present in SEA at the time which were recognised by the Chams. Following this list and using it as a reference to the geographical location of the people/kingdoms we can see that between Bagan/Burma and Lav/Lao is Syam people.
Khmers as a people were not recognised by what is supposed to be their rivals for hundreds of years. Khmers were not yet on the SEA political map. It could also mean that they were grouped with one of the mentioned peoples.
I have a theory that Khmers are actually part of Champa. The creation story as well as the Phra Thong myth coupled with the fact that Jayavarman II moved Khmer people into Northern Cambodia region leads me to believe Khmers were part of Champa.
The Translation of the Phrea Thong myth translated in 1886 by the french has Phra Thong taking over the Cham kingdom territory. This means that the Area was populated by Chams.
Now here's something else I noticed. Phra "Thong" is a Mon name. The word Thong to mean Gold is from the Mon word Thongkam. In Thai it is shortened to just Gold and in Lao it is just Kham. None of these variations appear in Khmer. Phra Thong was not Khmer.
Anyway, Suryavarman II came from Lava. This area is in southern Isan the power base of Ancient Chenla. This is the Area that the Chenla kings such as Bhavavarman, Citrasena and Isanavarman came from. This was not Khmer territory. Khmers were not in the Area this far north until Jayavarman II forced migrated the people of Vyadapura (lower mekong delta) to northern Cambodia. (Jayavarman II inscription, sdok kok thom)
Now restraining myself from throwing lots of other interesting things I've found, lets just stick to the Syam theory.
The Syam were the Kings and people of The Isan region of Thailand aka the kingdoms that were situated a long the Mun river. This is Chenla. Those kings that came from Chenla were Syam kings. This is the beginning of the Culture that sprang up around SEA. The language which is accredited to the Khmer originated in the Chenla period when Chenla kings were in power.
Chenla kings/people were not "Khmers"
Another interesting little twist is that Syambhupura can be pronounced in chinese as Syam (Tsien) Bhu (silent) Pura (La). The Chinese have always known the Syam people as Tsien or its variations. Tsien, Sien, Xien, Xian. All same sound.
Now back to Suryavarman II who came from Lopburi in Syam country. He was a foreigner to the Khmers (fits in with explanation given by local Khmers when first asked who built Angkor) To be exact Suryavarman II came from Phimai.
There was no record of a mass migration of Khmer people into this region or any other region north of the Dangrek mountain. The only record of mass migration is from Jayavarman II. This means that the base population of were not Khmers.
Now an interesting point in his post saying that Mons were under Khmer rule. It was Bhavavarman and Citrasena and Isanavarman who expanded the the Empire west into Mon territory. We know these kings were not Khmer. How can their kingdom be under Khmer rule?
Yasovarman I who is accredited for building Yasodharapura (Angkor) is connected with the Chenla (Syam) line.