ไปเจอlink นี้ น่าสนใจดี

http://www.dhammachak.net/board/viewtopic....sc&start=15

ขอม = ราชวงศ์ไศเลนทร์ นครศรีธรรมราข+ละโว้ นับถือพุทธ

เขมร = ราชวงศ์กัมพุช วัดภู จำปาสัก ฮินดู

มีสมาชิกAF นี่เป็นคนมาเลเซีย เขาว่าเขาเป็นคนสยาม ไม่ใช่คนมาเลย์ ในมาเลเซีย รัฐเคดาห์ ไทรบุรี พูดไทยใต้ ญาติทางพ่อเป็นคนนคร เขาบอกว่าเขาเป็นคนสยามพื้นเมือง บรรพบุรุษพูดภาษาตระกูลมอญ-แขมร์ แต่ภายหลังยุคสุโขไท มีคนพูดภาษาตระกูลไทอพยพลงใต้มากขึ้น ทำให้คนพื้นเมืองหันมาพูดภาษาตระกูลไต (ที่ผสมคำมอญ-แขมร์)

ขอเขียนเป็นไทยนะ

ผมว่าคนพื้นเมืองนี่น่าจะพูดตระกูลมอญ-ขแมร์ แต่ว่าไม่ไ้ด้หมายถึงเป็น มอญ หรือ เขมร

มีสมาชิกAF นี่เป็นคนมาเลเซีย เขาว่าเขาเป็นคนสยาม ไม่ใช่คนมาเลย์ ในมาเลเซีย รัฐเคดาห์ ไทรบุรี พูดไทยใต้ ญาติทางพ่อเป็นคนนคร เขาบอกว่าเขาเป็นคนสยามพื้นเมือง บรรพบุรุษพูดภาษาตระกูลมอญ-แขมร์ แต่ภายหลังยุคสุโขไท มีคนพูดภาษาตระกูลไทอพยพลงใต้มากขึ้น ทำให้คนพื้นเมืองหันมาพูดภาษาตระกูลไต (ที่ผสมคำมอญ-แขมร์)

คือมันก็เป็นไปได้นะ ถ้าเป็นคนที่อยู่ในเมืองที่มีแต่คนพูดไท เหมือนกับคนจีนในไทย ก็ไม่มีใครพูดจีน

ภาษากับเชื้อชาติเดิมมันเปลี่ยนกันได้ ไทอาหม ตอนนี้ในรัฐอัสสัมก็พูดภาษาตระกูลอินเดีย ไม่ได้พูดไท
กระเหรียงเดิมก็เป็นพวกพูดมอญ-ขแมร์ แต่ตอนนี้ภาษากระเหรียงเป็นภาษาตระกูลธิเบต-พม่า
คนไอริชพูดภาษาอังกฤษ ภาษาไอริชเป็นภาษาที่ไม่มีใครพูดในไอร์แลนด์

โดยส่วนตัวเลยคิดว่า ขอมน่าจะเป็นคนพื้นเมืองพูดมอญ-แขมร์ (เรียกตนเองว่า สยาม) มีอยู่ในไทยภาคกลาง+ภาคใต้+อีสานบางส่วน แต่ตอนหลังโดนกลืนให้พูดไท แต่ยังทิ้งร่องรอยทางภาษา(ขอม)ในภาษาไทย และวัฒนธรรมไทย โดนกลืนจนคนสยามเองก็ลืม ถามหาว่าขอมหายไปไหน ที่แท้ตนเองแหละเป็นขอม+ไท

หรือ ขอมเป็นเขมรโบราณ?

you must be talking about "Sonofgunongerai"...Wow I really miss that Siamese brother!!

here some of his piece of mind...

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...01179&st=20

The City of Ayutthaya and its relation with Native Siamese

This city had fast developed and began to be known as "Siamese City" in the region around and in the West. Its influence reached deep south taking over the role of Sukhothai Empire. Siamese Kingdom in Perak (Gangga Nagara), Johor (Khlang Keo), and Pahang (Indrapura) had close relationship with Sri Ayutthaya. Those three city-states ethnically are of Mon-Khmer stock, not Tai.

Sejarah Melayu or Malay Chronicle (1612 CE) written by Tun Sri Lanang had stated that the city-state of Ganggayu (Khlang Keo) was build by the aborigines of Siam Empire who are the Mon-Khmer people (I would only love to relate this ethnic with Mon people, not Khmer because they are distant people). The city of Khlang Keo was said located at the upstream of Johor River. The city had forts made of black stone and its ruler is Raja Chulan, who is the emperor at that time because all of the kings in the East paying tribute to him". The Siamese Kingdom (Mon-Khmer ethnic) of Gangga Nagara and Khlang Keo was subdued by the King of India sub-continent while Indrapura Kingdom was subdued by Malacca Kingdom (Malays). Although Tun Sri Lanang had failed in stating the date for the sake of historical fact, but he had insist that Khlang Keo or the City-State of Aborigine of Siam still exist when he finished writing the chronicle.

The code of Siam Law called Kot Monthieraban (1360 CE) stated that there is a city-state paying tribute to Siam empire known as Wurawari Kingdom, and it is located in Old Johor or Khlang Keo (Ganggayu). The history sholars had different views concerning the name of the city-state but they are not denying the existance of this native Siamese kingdom in Old Johor.

Native Siamese are not to be confused with Tais. They are Mon-Khmer people and not Malay nor Proto-Malay. This had proved that native Siamese already exist and founding kingdoms in Malayan Peninsula, living in peace and sometimes involved in wars especially with Malacca Kingdom (Malays). There are also other native Siamese kingdoms like Patani, Kelantan, Kedah, Gangga Nagara, and etc whether under the Siam influence or not. They exist before the emergence of Siam empire, and Malacca kingdom.

ํYes, It's him! I like his attitude

Thanks for the link too.

Like I said before. It's possible for the whole group of people will change their language. Especially if they are minority live in a city (not living like a tribal people). Tai Ahom, now they speak Assamese, Indo-European language. The king, elite people turn to speak Assamese which spoken by religion officers (Bramhins) and the whole common Tai Ahom people change to speak Assamese too.

(Btw, If someone wanna know what Pure Tai language is, it should look at Tai Ahom, becos it's not affected by Buddhism and Hinduism.)

As I know Irish in Ireland speak English, very less of them speak Irish language.

This is what that Siamese guy says.

Swaddee P Nong Trollbuster, am glad to see Thai counterpart taking part here and thanks for your comparison with Central Thai. Those words are used in Paktai dialect in my hometown and state in Northern Malaysia.

Yes, many of words used in Thai had Mon-Khmer origin and Bali-Sanskrit due to Southern Mon-Khmer people contribution in Hindu-Buddhism tradition, not only Khmer. Khmer people had significance contribution in Central Thai and North-East part of Thailand. I just want to clear the wrong perception that Thai belongs only to Tai ethnic and everything in Thailand today is not just simply being stolen from other countries say Myanmar or Cambodia. Tai ethnic just came down South in 12th C AD but Mon-Khmer population still there.

We still maintain our old language in the form of Thai and Malay dialects here. Our Kingdoms down south too had Mon-Khmer population as proven in the language used and that is why Thai language is considered as Austo-Tai language because of Austroasian words in it, while Lao language became separate language. In 12th C AD, after our Chandrabhanu Dharmaraja King of Pathmawong dynasty was killed in Sri Lanka (10th C AD), a new dynasty was set up in Tambralingga (Nakhorn Sri Thammarat). It is called as Sri Thammasok (Sri Dharmashoka). This dynasty was invited by Sri Ayuttaya along with Lavo into the Federation of Siam (Patani Chronicle, 17th C AD).

That is why even I am of Mon-Khmer origin, I am still known as a Siamese and we never steal others civilization, but had experienced earlier Taification during Po Khun Ramkhamhaeng invasion in South (12th C AD). Malay Chronicle of Malaka (Malaysian Southern State today) also had recognize us as native Siamese (the aborigines of Siam Empire/Country). We speak pidgin language of the past, although being aborigines we are highly civilized with Hindu Culture.

Tai language only absorbed many Mon-Khmer words and it is Mon-Khmer people who gave Tai people most of their cultural identity. That is why I always say Paknue Tai although among the purest Thai dialects, but still can't avoid Mon influence because King Mengrai had absorbed Lampun and Lampang into its realm, Lampun and Lampang were the city-states of Haribunjaya which was ruled by Nang Pra Chamatevi (a Mon Queen) with Mon (Chao Bon) population.

Chao Ong เจ้าอง
Lhop หลบ (I guess in Central Thai it means avoid, but in Paktai it is Return)
Kaeh (Take out, Bring) แกะ

Several other words too are used in our version of Paktai (South) dialect. I am lazy to type in Thai because I am using Online Thai Keyboard, it's not convenience though.

Now i found it.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=194533

Srivijaya or Sribhoga had became an Empire after 7th C AD when they broke into Suvarnabhumi (Malayan Peninsula-Southern Thai old name).

This Thai is always think inside the box. It is well known in Cambodia that Sanskrit script written in Cambodia also used Tamil script and Southern-Indian script.. and this Thai forget that Funan torritory is also cover to that area too..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Funan