I think that the Filipino Music industry is backwards and unproductive.
I mean, when you see Filipino artists, it's really difficult to point out those with defined and identifiable images. It is difficult to tell apart many Filipino artists in the same genre. I find that nearly all Filipino rappers look the same and that a lot of Filipino bands have similar styles (musically and fashion-wise). I guess, in comparison with many Western, South Korean and Japanese artists, Filipino artists lack -artistry-
No one is really original and no one really puts any effort into creating a professional and attractive image. Many Filipino bands do look like garage bands and dress plainly--which I guess matters if you put emphasis on looks.
I don't mean to be too harsh but the Philippines does lack original artists. If you look at the most popular songs in the Philippines, chances are it's South Korean or American.
I do appreciate that record producers are trying to catch up to the rest of world and are trying to modernize many pop artists in terms of musical artistry and style, but it the end, most songs still end up as slow ballads or overly auto-tuned.
I find that the Philippines tries to revive old American songs instead of writing new ones. Also, many of the really talented singers and performers seem to be slaves to producers--that they're not allowed to have any artistic freedom apart from what they are told to do so that they can make money.
Do you think that the Filipino entertainment industry in general is limited to producers simply trying to make money instead of advancing the entertainment industry?
I know that the Philippines does have bigger and more important issues to deal with, but what do you guys think?
Music plays a very big part in people's lives, especially the everyday Filipino.
Full Version: Opinions on Filipino Music Industry
that will change when Philippines gets fully connected to the world (internet) with this in mind, kids can get more exposed to other types of music.
Bloodshedd is a pretty unique combination of tech death and thrash metal. Not that the combination of these 2 sub-genres is uncommon but the way they combine it is.
Death Threat has it's own style in terms of rap IMO.
Death Threat has it's own style in terms of rap IMO.
Filipino musicians fall into the same category:
-lack their own songs and styles
- piggybacks on other musicians by covering the songs made popular by those musicians
- follows American pop trends (and at times cue from Kpop trends)
That is why Filipino musicians are not known for their own material/style. Even those who get noticed by the US industry become copycats and don't have their own identities.
Arnel Pineda is known to be a copycat of Steve Perry, and people under 40 are not familiar with Journey.
Charice only became a hit with older Filipino Americans while their American born children are not into her at all. Needless to say, Asian America stayed off the Charice bandwagon, but the younger segment of Asian America did dig Far East Movement though. There was a time when you can not escape hearing "Like a G6" unless you avoided stores or don't watch network tv.
-lack their own songs and styles
- piggybacks on other musicians by covering the songs made popular by those musicians
- follows American pop trends (and at times cue from Kpop trends)
That is why Filipino musicians are not known for their own material/style. Even those who get noticed by the US industry become copycats and don't have their own identities.
Arnel Pineda is known to be a copycat of Steve Perry, and people under 40 are not familiar with Journey.
Charice only became a hit with older Filipino Americans while their American born children are not into her at all. Needless to say, Asian America stayed off the Charice bandwagon, but the younger segment of Asian America did dig Far East Movement though. There was a time when you can not escape hearing "Like a G6" unless you avoided stores or don't watch network tv.
QUOTE (cardcrusher @ Jan 30 2012, 05:09 PM) 
Filipino musicians fall into the same category:
-lack their own songs and styles
- piggybacks on other musicians by covering the songs made popular by those musicians
- follows American pop trends (and at times cue from Kpop trends)
That is why Filipino musicians are not known for their own material/style. Even those who get noticed by the US industry become copycats and don't have their own identities.
Arnel Pineda is known to be a copycat of Steve Perry, and people under 40 are not familiar with Journey.
Charice only became a hit with older Filipino Americans while their American born children are not into her at all. Needless to say, Asian America stayed off the Charice bandwagon, but the younger segment of Asian America did dig Far East Movement though. There was a time when you can not escape hearing "Like a G6" unless you avoided stores or don't watch network tv.
-lack their own songs and styles
- piggybacks on other musicians by covering the songs made popular by those musicians
- follows American pop trends (and at times cue from Kpop trends)
That is why Filipino musicians are not known for their own material/style. Even those who get noticed by the US industry become copycats and don't have their own identities.
Arnel Pineda is known to be a copycat of Steve Perry, and people under 40 are not familiar with Journey.
Charice only became a hit with older Filipino Americans while their American born children are not into her at all. Needless to say, Asian America stayed off the Charice bandwagon, but the younger segment of Asian America did dig Far East Movement though. There was a time when you can not escape hearing "Like a G6" unless you avoided stores or don't watch network tv.
There are creative Filipino artists if you are willing to look at the independent scene. They probably won't make it big, but neither will creative American artists for the most part unless they're willing to sign over their creativity to a label. Usually they build a strong underground following if they're talented though.
don't underestimate contemporary local TV!
you are only good when you LIVE it and some artists really can. there are competitions, workshops, and several performances per week, under difficult surrounding conditions in a loud and messy studio. still, results are good - for the TALENTED. I'm not talking about stars who are on TV for their famous "sikat" families. fortunately there are others who can succeed on the "stony way".
so, something is going to happen.
of course there is a struggle between creativity and commercial habits and mechanisms. but it has started. not like some years in the past.
but they don't have this in most western TV networks. they don't even bother to employ regular artists.
here is a witty report about some success with modernizing ways of TV production:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxYuO2Xf1fE
there's some "2 steps forward, 1 step back" tactics so this director couldn't continue straightly, but never won't give up, and has "infected" many others.
before you produce and sell, you need a product in actual substance. that's often forgotten, by modern music industry. they think they can make the product in the meantime of planning, advertising, selling, managing, by finding a little hole of a couple of days in their networked schedules.
but this synergy of variety shows, mall shows, soaps, and independent activity by artists is actually capable of developing "product". just it's not taken seriously enough.
the problem is, the oligarch of the network does not know how to make money and personal gain with artists who become famous and rich on their own. they support development of inhouse skills only until they are "good enough". else the artists would leave and the network loses everything.
now, indie bands.
unless they are playing exclusively for some distant rural folks under FARC regime or something, they can't disconnect from modern habits and challenges. therefor they need to follow at least some minimal guidelines of making themselves into a product, so they can become professionals and not pay for their own music with a day job.
their difficulty might become, that TV artists have massive training, rehearsing, schooling in everything. it's utterly hard to keep up with this on some independent level. talent and ideas alone won't make them money. they can find some political sponsor sometimes, but that person will always question own investment and search for the best possivle band to affiliate with.
>>lacks own songs and styles, follows foreign trends and formulas
this I think, is a bit of a red herring.
first, it is a negative killer argument. everyone who is famous has started as a kid with copying, trial and error, and then perhaps with some teacher who wouldn't teach them anything particularly fresh and new.
like with a pyramid, you need a broad mass of people doing serious music, but only a few can become unique and world famous.
filipino TV is capable of breeding a mass of artists who at least can "deliver". (or they drop out soon)
it is said that almost everyone can sing, but it is a required step to look good on TV: to know how to dress, move and talk for the camera.
from the start of internet "for everyone", it takes like 10-15 years for the upcoming generation to be really fresh and international, and not lacking or leaving out anything that is going on in the world. this does actually shape young minds in a totally positive way. especially, filipinos! I believe this is because of historic international social and communicative experience, maintaining a diaspora population, having strong diversity within the country, and going through very modern struggles in the sociopolitic system. progress is partially a matter of goodwill, but knowledge in these matters is strong. consider, that no other country had a dr. rizal who explained the mechanisms of colonial power and the ways and habits of its protagonists, to the whole mass! this means that people are less gullible by international attempts to exploit them. it went into the whole culture. just that domestic overlords understood the challenge and went into the next round of mechanisms of power.
back to the topic, most young filipinos therefor are very skilled in international communication. they are getting respect for this alone. now add talent. you can't tell them some BS and think they would be impressed.
conclusion:
very soon some young filipinos will become international superstars. from the good platform they already have, they can continue to develop their own music. it's just a matter of time and - some help by government! (like the US government is helping hollywood to sell internationally, and in return, affiliated media are helping political careers and elections). pres. p-noy should hurry. this is something especially he can do.
charice was mentioned. she got big respect by established music typhoons in the west. she is already one of those who could combine domestic cultural values with knowledge and "swagger" gained with use of the internet. probably she worked way too hard, and needs a bigger break. but she definitely made money and especially in the international music scene this is serious criteria. in america she learned everything about western culture and business tactics, as she had famous and established teachers. so, in her future she can do just anything, also in sectors outside of entertainment.
an upcoming local star is this girl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bsrMTdsQ1A .. (I'm spending time on the internet and I don't know of any other filipino singer who can credibly deliver this style)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed9zLG4W_nE .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0evPZBS6OI .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1DHDzbW-s...feature=related
look at this attitude. singing is on awesome international quality. such a gig is all but easy. IMO she eats up almost each of the original singers.
so when she is good at international criteria, particular filipino musical criteria shouldn't be used to harm her career. (I say this as an interested non-filipino guy)
on TV she can do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DddDHmpjLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xalieQzise8 .. you wouldn't ask for a second whether she is imitating someone, because you haven't the time! - you are WATCHING!
there's like twenty people in this video, but comparing moves and attitudes, there is not doubt who is the star. (but also the boy has strong charisma)
and it's awesome funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeEA-H0s4xc .. for instance NO WAY german daily soap could ever deliver anything like this inhouse music production. disney would struggle hard, and deliver $hitty autotune. it is stellar on highest level. no need to bother about any original version. after this, it's past and forgotten. major waterworks here. "nakakaiyak"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIat0XJBL-M .. awesome duet singer. raw rehearsal with a hall-recorded sound always shows truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcxgD-JObao .. exciting and funny too, though with a little glitch. and who could do this at all and not be too embarrassing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vURk2vqoE#t=55s .. this 3-minute cut can compete with any international TV, so why not make for export and sell also to non-filipino viewers (=create a promotional channel like arirang)?
but we must come to the REAL THING.
at first, the following is to be seen as a harvest of all the hard work that an artist invests on own development, own inititiative and entrepreneurship, own head for own style, and -- fierceness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUdSXQKlgKA
there are many songs with millions of plays, yes, but who has ever pulled 40.000 comments with an underground upload?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1tS5eHIZYo...feature=related
watch how perfectly this own arrangement as well as the whole performance can deliver excitement and tension across the whole length of the song.
how powerful the chorus kicks in! I haven't even interest in checking the original because this one sounds original (though not has major studio quality).
these are mostly raw home recording uploads. on many, all instruments were played, recorded and produced by the singer herself.
http://soundcloud.com/julie-anne-san-jose_...ock-multi-track
http://soundcloud.com/julie-anne-san-jose
finally, here we can find credible skills in MAKING music from scratch. it sounds alls seamless and harmonic, though some tracks are very experimental.
it is only a matter of time for real own compositions to come. there are already a number of original songs i.e. composed for this singer in the first place. e.g. some telebabad title songs.
in the meantime, use this soundcloud channel as an album...
listen also to "destiny" and the tracks below..
more other potential big stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPNVA1JxApE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYwcztBd5Rs
this girl sure can sell an MTV award party song. just still a bit young, but full package. so, someone competent in the industry please give her a serious modern song and priority training lessons!!
(plz compare how amateurish and cheap it can sound quicly, when some karaoke chick attempts that kind of song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnq6YzQJyMQ .. another song with rita, unfortunately uploads are rare. these kids are ready for huge international production. (which would enforce a bit more discipline in some minor aspects hahaha peace..)
you are only good when you LIVE it and some artists really can. there are competitions, workshops, and several performances per week, under difficult surrounding conditions in a loud and messy studio. still, results are good - for the TALENTED. I'm not talking about stars who are on TV for their famous "sikat" families. fortunately there are others who can succeed on the "stony way".
so, something is going to happen.
of course there is a struggle between creativity and commercial habits and mechanisms. but it has started. not like some years in the past.
but they don't have this in most western TV networks. they don't even bother to employ regular artists.
here is a witty report about some success with modernizing ways of TV production:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxYuO2Xf1fE
there's some "2 steps forward, 1 step back" tactics so this director couldn't continue straightly, but never won't give up, and has "infected" many others.
before you produce and sell, you need a product in actual substance. that's often forgotten, by modern music industry. they think they can make the product in the meantime of planning, advertising, selling, managing, by finding a little hole of a couple of days in their networked schedules.
but this synergy of variety shows, mall shows, soaps, and independent activity by artists is actually capable of developing "product". just it's not taken seriously enough.
the problem is, the oligarch of the network does not know how to make money and personal gain with artists who become famous and rich on their own. they support development of inhouse skills only until they are "good enough". else the artists would leave and the network loses everything.
now, indie bands.
unless they are playing exclusively for some distant rural folks under FARC regime or something, they can't disconnect from modern habits and challenges. therefor they need to follow at least some minimal guidelines of making themselves into a product, so they can become professionals and not pay for their own music with a day job.
their difficulty might become, that TV artists have massive training, rehearsing, schooling in everything. it's utterly hard to keep up with this on some independent level. talent and ideas alone won't make them money. they can find some political sponsor sometimes, but that person will always question own investment and search for the best possivle band to affiliate with.
>>lacks own songs and styles, follows foreign trends and formulas
this I think, is a bit of a red herring.
first, it is a negative killer argument. everyone who is famous has started as a kid with copying, trial and error, and then perhaps with some teacher who wouldn't teach them anything particularly fresh and new.
like with a pyramid, you need a broad mass of people doing serious music, but only a few can become unique and world famous.
filipino TV is capable of breeding a mass of artists who at least can "deliver". (or they drop out soon)
it is said that almost everyone can sing, but it is a required step to look good on TV: to know how to dress, move and talk for the camera.
from the start of internet "for everyone", it takes like 10-15 years for the upcoming generation to be really fresh and international, and not lacking or leaving out anything that is going on in the world. this does actually shape young minds in a totally positive way. especially, filipinos! I believe this is because of historic international social and communicative experience, maintaining a diaspora population, having strong diversity within the country, and going through very modern struggles in the sociopolitic system. progress is partially a matter of goodwill, but knowledge in these matters is strong. consider, that no other country had a dr. rizal who explained the mechanisms of colonial power and the ways and habits of its protagonists, to the whole mass! this means that people are less gullible by international attempts to exploit them. it went into the whole culture. just that domestic overlords understood the challenge and went into the next round of mechanisms of power.
back to the topic, most young filipinos therefor are very skilled in international communication. they are getting respect for this alone. now add talent. you can't tell them some BS and think they would be impressed.
conclusion:
very soon some young filipinos will become international superstars. from the good platform they already have, they can continue to develop their own music. it's just a matter of time and - some help by government! (like the US government is helping hollywood to sell internationally, and in return, affiliated media are helping political careers and elections). pres. p-noy should hurry. this is something especially he can do.
charice was mentioned. she got big respect by established music typhoons in the west. she is already one of those who could combine domestic cultural values with knowledge and "swagger" gained with use of the internet. probably she worked way too hard, and needs a bigger break. but she definitely made money and especially in the international music scene this is serious criteria. in america she learned everything about western culture and business tactics, as she had famous and established teachers. so, in her future she can do just anything, also in sectors outside of entertainment.
an upcoming local star is this girl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bsrMTdsQ1A .. (I'm spending time on the internet and I don't know of any other filipino singer who can credibly deliver this style)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed9zLG4W_nE .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0evPZBS6OI .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq1DHDzbW-s...feature=related
look at this attitude. singing is on awesome international quality. such a gig is all but easy. IMO she eats up almost each of the original singers.
so when she is good at international criteria, particular filipino musical criteria shouldn't be used to harm her career. (I say this as an interested non-filipino guy)
on TV she can do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DddDHmpjLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xalieQzise8 .. you wouldn't ask for a second whether she is imitating someone, because you haven't the time! - you are WATCHING!
there's like twenty people in this video, but comparing moves and attitudes, there is not doubt who is the star. (but also the boy has strong charisma)
and it's awesome funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeEA-H0s4xc .. for instance NO WAY german daily soap could ever deliver anything like this inhouse music production. disney would struggle hard, and deliver $hitty autotune. it is stellar on highest level. no need to bother about any original version. after this, it's past and forgotten. major waterworks here. "nakakaiyak"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIat0XJBL-M .. awesome duet singer. raw rehearsal with a hall-recorded sound always shows truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcxgD-JObao .. exciting and funny too, though with a little glitch. and who could do this at all and not be too embarrassing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vURk2vqoE#t=55s .. this 3-minute cut can compete with any international TV, so why not make for export and sell also to non-filipino viewers (=create a promotional channel like arirang)?
but we must come to the REAL THING.
at first, the following is to be seen as a harvest of all the hard work that an artist invests on own development, own inititiative and entrepreneurship, own head for own style, and -- fierceness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUdSXQKlgKA
there are many songs with millions of plays, yes, but who has ever pulled 40.000 comments with an underground upload?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1tS5eHIZYo...feature=related
watch how perfectly this own arrangement as well as the whole performance can deliver excitement and tension across the whole length of the song.
how powerful the chorus kicks in! I haven't even interest in checking the original because this one sounds original (though not has major studio quality).
these are mostly raw home recording uploads. on many, all instruments were played, recorded and produced by the singer herself.
http://soundcloud.com/julie-anne-san-jose_...ock-multi-track
http://soundcloud.com/julie-anne-san-jose
finally, here we can find credible skills in MAKING music from scratch. it sounds alls seamless and harmonic, though some tracks are very experimental.
it is only a matter of time for real own compositions to come. there are already a number of original songs i.e. composed for this singer in the first place. e.g. some telebabad title songs.
in the meantime, use this soundcloud channel as an album...
listen also to "destiny" and the tracks below..
more other potential big stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPNVA1JxApE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYwcztBd5Rs
this girl sure can sell an MTV award party song. just still a bit young, but full package. so, someone competent in the industry please give her a serious modern song and priority training lessons!!
(plz compare how amateurish and cheap it can sound quicly, when some karaoke chick attempts that kind of song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnq6YzQJyMQ .. another song with rita, unfortunately uploads are rare. these kids are ready for huge international production. (which would enforce a bit more discipline in some minor aspects hahaha peace..)
The last thing we need to do is to follow in the footsteps of the Japanese and Koreans. It's not our creativity that is lacking because I hear OPM songs and see plenty of it. We need to improve the tools in which we will produce and develop the music industry that needs help. I don't want the music industry to become banal and mechanical like the Japanese and Koreans who are all obviously ripping off western culture.
the key is the "integrity" of the artists.
many koreans and some japanese are puppets of the industry in the first place.
two ways to go at the same time:
* help creative artists who made it to TV, to maintain their integrity, and to get more respect and ratings for singing their original songs rather than cover versions.
* help indie artists to produce on the highest technical level, and to get their leg into TV and to manage international promotion.
>>obviously ripping off western culture.
that's a bit simplistic. a great part of culture is "discovery" of facts, patterns, methods, that are given in the structure of the universe that we are part of.
some competition is legit, but culture should not be seen too proprietary or copyrighted.
should asians stop producing cars with four wheels and the typical handling? (all these switches and pedals)
if they invent a clearly better way to structure a vehicle, then of course should go straight ahead.
on another note, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgsh7FSUhJg I wouldn't say this is a bad thing. why not enjoy?
or, on a totally different level, this is a very creative crossover of progressive rock with jazz rock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUVWQxfA7Qs
they are not mimicking. they went this way consciously and explore it with their own minds and emotions. they make it their own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WG8XO_zilg
ok where's more of that stuff? 5yrs past...
what to question, is the structure of authority, which is the deeper reason that k/j-pop is this way.
filipino kids seem to like k-pop because the hallyu stars look cool and have funny attitude.
but there's massiv resouce being neglected.
for c-pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgsh7FSUhJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GhE_lUQrok
nice, but these instruments need not sound that cheesy, if just someone dares..
for filipino crossover and pop, why not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxnMEh9-WY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei5lH2ztnb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrhP6BKfeeI
they rock!
deeper problem is, urban folks notoriously look down on them. and authorities hate the psychedelic component in the sound. not even starting here with the political considerations.
which leads to folk music that is westernized from seventies styles, similar to thailand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feat...p;v=jcLl26vGFEM
unfortunately, francis magalona had to leave our world so early..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHQP6eInGzI
isn't this "original" enough?
to me it seems, a very important door was opened by this artist, and then it was closed again.
here we had the case that it deserved better budgets for multimedia production.
many koreans and some japanese are puppets of the industry in the first place.
two ways to go at the same time:
* help creative artists who made it to TV, to maintain their integrity, and to get more respect and ratings for singing their original songs rather than cover versions.
* help indie artists to produce on the highest technical level, and to get their leg into TV and to manage international promotion.
>>obviously ripping off western culture.
that's a bit simplistic. a great part of culture is "discovery" of facts, patterns, methods, that are given in the structure of the universe that we are part of.
some competition is legit, but culture should not be seen too proprietary or copyrighted.
should asians stop producing cars with four wheels and the typical handling? (all these switches and pedals)
if they invent a clearly better way to structure a vehicle, then of course should go straight ahead.
on another note, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgsh7FSUhJg I wouldn't say this is a bad thing. why not enjoy?
or, on a totally different level, this is a very creative crossover of progressive rock with jazz rock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUVWQxfA7Qs
they are not mimicking. they went this way consciously and explore it with their own minds and emotions. they make it their own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WG8XO_zilg
ok where's more of that stuff? 5yrs past...
what to question, is the structure of authority, which is the deeper reason that k/j-pop is this way.
filipino kids seem to like k-pop because the hallyu stars look cool and have funny attitude.
but there's massiv resouce being neglected.
for c-pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgsh7FSUhJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GhE_lUQrok
nice, but these instruments need not sound that cheesy, if just someone dares..
for filipino crossover and pop, why not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxnMEh9-WY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei5lH2ztnb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrhP6BKfeeI
they rock!
deeper problem is, urban folks notoriously look down on them. and authorities hate the psychedelic component in the sound. not even starting here with the political considerations.
which leads to folk music that is westernized from seventies styles, similar to thailand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feat...p;v=jcLl26vGFEM
unfortunately, francis magalona had to leave our world so early..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHQP6eInGzI
isn't this "original" enough?
to me it seems, a very important door was opened by this artist, and then it was closed again.
here we had the case that it deserved better budgets for multimedia production.
QUOTE (StormyWeather @ Jan 21 2012, 03:10 AM)
I think that the Filipino Music industry is backwards and unproductive.
I mean, when you see Filipino artists, it's really difficult to point out those with defined and identifiable images. It is difficult to tell apart many Filipino artists in the same genre. I find that nearly all Filipino rappers look the same and that a lot of Filipino bands have similar styles (musically and fashion-wise). I guess, in comparison with many Western, South Korean and Japanese artists, Filipino artists lack -artistry-
No one is really original and no one really puts any effort into creating a professional and attractive image. Many Filipino bands do look like garage bands and dress plainly--which I guess matters if you put emphasis on looks.
I don't mean to be too harsh but the Philippines does lack original artists. If you look at the most popular songs in the Philippines, chances are it's South Korean or American.
I do appreciate that record producers are trying to catch up to the rest of world and are trying to modernize many pop artists in terms of musical artistry and style, but it the end, most songs still end up as slow ballads or overly auto-tuned.
I find that the Philippines tries to revive old American songs instead of writing new ones. Also, many of the really talented singers and performers seem to be slaves to producers--that they're not allowed to have any artistic freedom apart from what they are told to do so that they can make money.
Do you think that the Filipino entertainment industry in general is limited to producers simply trying to make money instead of advancing the entertainment industry?
I know that the Philippines does have bigger and more important issues to deal with, but what do you guys think?
Music plays a very big part in people's lives, especially the everyday Filipino.
I mean, when you see Filipino artists, it's really difficult to point out those with defined and identifiable images. It is difficult to tell apart many Filipino artists in the same genre. I find that nearly all Filipino rappers look the same and that a lot of Filipino bands have similar styles (musically and fashion-wise). I guess, in comparison with many Western, South Korean and Japanese artists, Filipino artists lack -artistry-
No one is really original and no one really puts any effort into creating a professional and attractive image. Many Filipino bands do look like garage bands and dress plainly--which I guess matters if you put emphasis on looks.
I don't mean to be too harsh but the Philippines does lack original artists. If you look at the most popular songs in the Philippines, chances are it's South Korean or American.
I do appreciate that record producers are trying to catch up to the rest of world and are trying to modernize many pop artists in terms of musical artistry and style, but it the end, most songs still end up as slow ballads or overly auto-tuned.
I find that the Philippines tries to revive old American songs instead of writing new ones. Also, many of the really talented singers and performers seem to be slaves to producers--that they're not allowed to have any artistic freedom apart from what they are told to do so that they can make money.
Do you think that the Filipino entertainment industry in general is limited to producers simply trying to make money instead of advancing the entertainment industry?
I know that the Philippines does have bigger and more important issues to deal with, but what do you guys think?
Music plays a very big part in people's lives, especially the everyday Filipino.
Yes, that's the problem. Filipino producers are focused more on making money instead of making original music, believing in that, and creating our own genre or subgenre. We always shoot for second best, the first best.
QUOTE (cardcrusher @ Jan 30 2012, 05:09 PM)
Filipino musicians fall into the same category:
-lack their own songs and styles
- piggybacks on other musicians by covering the songs made popular by those musicians
- follows American pop trends (and at times cue from Kpop trends)
That is why Filipino musicians are not known for their own material/style. Even those who get noticed by the US industry become copycats and don't have their own identities.
Arnel Pineda is known to be a copycat of Steve Perry, and people under 40 are not familiar with Journey.
Charice only became a hit with older Filipino Americans while their American born children are not into her at all. Needless to say, Asian America stayed off the Charice bandwagon, but the younger segment of Asian America did dig Far East Movement though. There was a time when you can not escape hearing "Like a G6" unless you avoided stores or don't watch network tv.
-lack their own songs and styles
- piggybacks on other musicians by covering the songs made popular by those musicians
- follows American pop trends (and at times cue from Kpop trends)
That is why Filipino musicians are not known for their own material/style. Even those who get noticed by the US industry become copycats and don't have their own identities.
Arnel Pineda is known to be a copycat of Steve Perry, and people under 40 are not familiar with Journey.
Charice only became a hit with older Filipino Americans while their American born children are not into her at all. Needless to say, Asian America stayed off the Charice bandwagon, but the younger segment of Asian America did dig Far East Movement though. There was a time when you can not escape hearing "Like a G6" unless you avoided stores or don't watch network tv.
That's right. We don't develop our own styles. The manager focus so much on the money, or getting into the U.S. industry. I can understand that to a certain extent, but in the long run and bigger picture, we will never amount to anything.
QUOTE (pinoynacionalista @ Feb 5 2012, 02:51 AM)
The last thing we need to do is to follow in the footsteps of the Japanese and Koreans. It's not our creativity that is lacking because I hear OPM songs and see plenty of it. We need to improve the tools in which we will produce and develop the music industry that needs help. I don't want the music industry to become banal and mechanical like the Japanese and Koreans who are all obviously ripping off western culture.
Yes, we should not copy the corporate style mentality of the Koreans and Japanese. Filipnos are more individualistic, and thus we should express ourselves so. We should develop our own styles, and market that.
QUOTE (NeoVxR @ Feb 5 2012, 09:53 AM)
>>obviously ripping off western culture.
that's a bit simplistic. a great part of culture is "discovery" of facts, patterns, methods, that are given in the structure of the universe that we are part of.
some competition is legit, but culture should not be seen too proprietary or copyrighted.
should asians stop producing cars with four wheels and the typical handling? (all these switches and pedals)
if they invent a clearly better way to structure a vehicle, then of course should go straight ahead.
that's a bit simplistic. a great part of culture is "discovery" of facts, patterns, methods, that are given in the structure of the universe that we are part of.
some competition is legit, but culture should not be seen too proprietary or copyrighted.
should asians stop producing cars with four wheels and the typical handling? (all these switches and pedals)
if they invent a clearly better way to structure a vehicle, then of course should go straight ahead.
Haha. I'll admit that was a very generic statement. I have a personal vendetta against K-pop and J-pop and it's feminization of Asian pop music. All the guys look prettier than the girls and it's something that really bothers me. They're all trying to look like American pretty boys and it gets worse with every pit stop the sensation makes in Asian countries. You are however dead on with the lack of integrity of the artists. I think this can really be said about pop culture throughout the entire world which is why I don't follow it.
QUOTE (StormyWeather @ Jan 21 2012, 04:10 PM)
I think that the Filipino Music industry is backwards and unproductive.
I mean, when you see Filipino artists, it's really difficult to point out those with defined and identifiable images. It is difficult to tell apart many Filipino artists in the same genre. I find that nearly all Filipino rappers look the same and that a lot of Filipino bands have similar styles (musically and fashion-wise). I guess, in comparison with many Western, South Korean and Japanese artists, Filipino artists lack -artistry-
No one is really original and no one really puts any effort into creating a professional and attractive image. Many Filipino bands do look like garage bands and dress plainly--which I guess matters if you put emphasis on looks.
I don't mean to be too harsh but the Philippines does lack original artists. If you look at the most popular songs in the Philippines, chances are it's South Korean or American.
I do appreciate that record producers are trying to catch up to the rest of world and are trying to modernize many pop artists in terms of musical artistry and style, but it the end, most songs still end up as slow ballads or overly auto-tuned.
I find that the Philippines tries to revive old American songs instead of writing new ones. Also, many of the really talented singers and performers seem to be slaves to producers--that they're not allowed to have any artistic freedom apart from what they are told to do so that they can make money.
Do you think that the Filipino entertainment industry in general is limited to producers simply trying to make money instead of advancing the entertainment industry?
I know that the Philippines does have bigger and more important issues to deal with, but what do you guys think?
Music plays a very big part in people's lives, especially the everyday Filipino.
I mean, when you see Filipino artists, it's really difficult to point out those with defined and identifiable images. It is difficult to tell apart many Filipino artists in the same genre. I find that nearly all Filipino rappers look the same and that a lot of Filipino bands have similar styles (musically and fashion-wise). I guess, in comparison with many Western, South Korean and Japanese artists, Filipino artists lack -artistry-
No one is really original and no one really puts any effort into creating a professional and attractive image. Many Filipino bands do look like garage bands and dress plainly--which I guess matters if you put emphasis on looks.
I don't mean to be too harsh but the Philippines does lack original artists. If you look at the most popular songs in the Philippines, chances are it's South Korean or American.
I do appreciate that record producers are trying to catch up to the rest of world and are trying to modernize many pop artists in terms of musical artistry and style, but it the end, most songs still end up as slow ballads or overly auto-tuned.
I find that the Philippines tries to revive old American songs instead of writing new ones. Also, many of the really talented singers and performers seem to be slaves to producers--that they're not allowed to have any artistic freedom apart from what they are told to do so that they can make money.
Do you think that the Filipino entertainment industry in general is limited to producers simply trying to make money instead of advancing the entertainment industry?
I know that the Philippines does have bigger and more important issues to deal with, but what do you guys think?
Music plays a very big part in people's lives, especially the everyday Filipino.
I have to disagree here. If anything Filipino musicians have more depth than both Japan & Korean are churning out as 'artists.' These countries are very successful commercially feeding us senseless shallow pop type of music & the world just loves it, including filipinos. If anything, it is the image, the presentation, the marketing/advertising that's helping them tremendously. Filipino musicians have depth & originality like none other but the problem is they are not presented or marketed well enough. I don't listen to rap because I don't like either rap/hiphop. But our rock genre is very good, if only our own industry & people supports them
We have these types of quirky funky types of songs:
This Guy Is In Love with You Pare (Parokya Ni Edgar)
Suplado Ka Pala Sa Personal (Itchyworms)
The Ordertaker (Parokya Ni Edgar)
American Junk (APO)
Picha Pie (Parokya Ni Edgar)
We have these kundiman soul searing types:
Ngayon at Kailanman (Basil Valdez)
Tuwing Umuulan at Kapiling Ka (Basil Valdez)
Nandito Ako (Ogie Alcasid)
We have the more danceable songs:
Di Bale Na Lang (Jericho Rosales)
Bongga Ka Day (Hotdog)
We have these classic rock songs:
Tindahan Ni Aling Nena (Eraserheads)
Toyang (Eraserheads)
Pare Ko (Eraserheads)
Harana (Parokya Ni Edgar)
Gitara (Parokya Ni Edgar)
LOL! Parokya Ni Edgar are so kunfy, their songs & videos are effin hilarious!
With little to no promotion, these songs or OPM has international fans nonetheless, now if that doesn't speak of quality, I don't know what will. These types of songs & bands are akin to the 1960s British Wave Invasion Renaissance, that's the quality we have in our own Pinoy artist. If only Filipinos & the industry recognizes such potential in our own.
Some recommended Pinoy bands: TOP 10 Pinoy Bands
QUOTE (pinoynacionalista @ Feb 5 2012, 03:51 PM)
The last thing we need to do is to follow in the footsteps of the Japanese and Koreans. It's not our creativity that is lacking because I hear OPM songs and see plenty of it. We need to improve the tools in which we will produce and develop the music industry that needs help. I don't want the music industry to become banal and mechanical like the Japanese and Koreans who are all obviously ripping off western culture.
^^^AGREED. We will be trading our talent that gets no recognition/support for no-talented mindless puppets that will be recognized as another gaya gaya attempt of Filipinos. IMO, our music is far superior than what these 2 countries produce, we just need to support our own.
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