may i ask...

why do you guys hate chinese so much?

Because Chinese hold most of the country's economy. Indonesians started to get jealous and attack Chinese. Chinese in return bribed the military officials to crush the riots. the cycle goes on and on

Neither of you seem to have any real idea about what goes on in Indonesia.
Under the Suharto regime, the Chinese Indonesians were culturally and politically repressed. They were basically treated as second-class citizens. The Chinese, nevertheless were willing to live with this in exchange for the economic privleges granted by Suharto. There was a lot of money to be made in Indonesia at the time.

The riots which erupted following the Asian financial crisis...well...no political expert is entirely sure what exactly set them off. But it certainly isn't a black and white issue. One cannot say, for example, that the Indonesians were jealous of the rich Chinese and chose to attack them. If you are to find any of the facts behind the riots, one must look to the internal political conditions in Indonesia. There was a power struggle between factions in the Indonesian military that actually condoned acts of terror and madness.

The majority of the Indonesian population at the time of the rioting had little idea about what was taking place around them. The Indonesian military, clamouring for power no doubt played a role in instigating and prolonging the riots. The looting and burning of buildings and places of residence occured at a point when the rioting reached its peak of insanity.

These days, race relations between Chinese and other Indonesians has improved but still, Chinese do not chose to mix with the native "Pribumi" Indonesians and live in upper-class exclusive estates away from the masses.

what do indonesians look like anyways.

why thank you 直隸總督..

it's funny that Chinese don't want to mix with Austronesids while the natives are demonstrating their lust to Chinese women by raping.

直隸總督, you disgust me with your ignorance. You are terribly jingoistic and a racist. Maybe you don't even realise it.

How do you explain the raping then? My explaination was moderate enough.
Would you like me to say they couldn't control their hormone? or they have a tradition of raping foreign women? huh?

hi i am chinese ,who live in indonesia. my family and even my chinese friends (almost all of them) don't like native people and it is a shame if we marry with native people there .usually almost all of chinese parent always teach their children not to marry with native. maybe we don't show it off but basically we don't like them.
a few??? i think almost 80% chinese ,who live in indonesia are rich.so many if we compare with percent of native people,who are rich. however,i am afraid that in the future ,the condition will be not like that again .i saw that many chinese in indonesia started to become lazy because they family are rich.

Makasih ya...Akata.

To the doubters, come to Indonesia and see for yourself. That's how it is. I'm not being racist. I'm just telling it as it is, making an honest, unbiased observation.

Well then, stop doubting.

You are being hyper sensitive....jeez. I don't have anything against Chinese Indonesians. It's the truth. Chinese Indonesians themselves admit that they don't mix with Pribumis. That's just how it is. Did I express an opinion saying that the Chinese were bad in anyway? Develop your critical insight a little more and maybe then you can rejoin this discussion.

not every but almost all.

The situation these days in Indonesia is very different to how it was about 70 years ago. In those days, pribumis and Chinese Indonesians mixed much more freely so these days some Chinese Indonesians have mixed blood. Some Chinese Indonesians I met have grandmothers who were pribumis.

Anyway, it's ridiculous to expect one to survey the whole nation of Indonesia but the habits established by the oppressive Soeharto regime are slow to die. Under the Soeharto regime, Chinese Indonesians are not regarded as native pribumi Indonesians even after several generations of living in Indonesia. The same is not true for Indonesians of Arab descent. Even on the citizenship identity cards required for people born in Indonesia, Chinese Indonesians have a different code number to that of the other Indonesians. They were culturally and politically opressed, too. Chinese Indonesians were forbidden from speaking Chinese or celebrating Chinese new year. They could not form political parties either.

The problem here is the enormous gap between rich and poor. A group of Chinese families became very rich -out of Ali-baba businesses. They were granted economic favous but denied political freedoms. While not all Chinese families were as rich as those, the majority of Chinese in Indonesia live lives of relative luxury compared to the hand-to-mouth existence of a vast number of Indonesians.

It is unfortunate what took place during the rioting in Indonesia. However, these riots were not motivated by racial hate. They were sparked when students of Trisakti university clashed with the Indonesian military. However, some people saw it in their favour to continue the madness, including members of the military. The riots were not only highlighted by the rape of Chinese women but the looting of numerous businesses and the murder of numerous native Indonesians trapped in a building (in the act of looting, mind you) when it was set on fire by members of Indonesia's military. We can say that the rioting was the peak of human madness and that included racially-motivated attacks on native Chinese.

Chinese Indonesians and other Indonesians are just not used to interracting. They attend different schools and live in different neighbourhoods. Let's just hope that in the years to come, the status of Chinese Indonesians is improved for their own sake and for the sake of improving race-relations within Indonesia.

hey hey i live in indonesia and i am chinese.i always ask all of my chinese friends but all of them say that they will never want to marry with native.i think that's enough and i only saw very few people from chinese married with native in indonesia.usually chinese ,who married with native because that chinese are not so rich so they married with rich native(almost all chinese ,who married with native have that reason)

for jaetheb,i think we ,chinese still didn't want to mix with native because we have higher status than ordinary native people.i think there is other rioting in jakarta.on the night many native attack chineese people house and rape the chineese girl inside.about trisakti that's other kind of rioting ,and depend on book manyy rioting happened between native vs chineese.

i think i just make generally statement here because most of my friends said they didn't want to marry with native but i still look the facts that there are a few chinneese people in indonesia,who married with native

when i said all.i write not every because i already saw the facts that there a few chineese people ,who married with native ha ha ha what do u mean hah?
i give my statement again not every but almost all of chineese people don't want to marry with native people.do u understand now hah????

i know that why lately i said that a general statements.general statement->public opinion(believe me if u ask chineese people ,who from indonesia almost all of them will answer they will not marry with native people(javanese)
in term and condition :u ask that privately and u know him/her close enough( we will declare that openly because that's a racial topic
-there is no other native(javanese)people around

Could anyone provide some hard core evidence to prove that ethnic Chinese control the majority of Indonesia economy, i'm really curious to know if this is the truth or not?

btw, if the indonesians are that bad then the ethnic chinese can pack their stuff and go back to their great country China. I'm pretty sure ethnic chinese won't have to fear of being raped, robbed, or killed again.

that's only can be proved ,when u come to indonesia i think because there is almost no evident about it.or u can see that many foreign students from indonesia,who study abroad like in US,australia,or other countries.majority of them are chineese .when u compare percent of chineese people and javanese people in indonesia ,u will suprise that almost 70% foreign students from indonesia are chineese (there are some native people because they get financial aid from indonesian government,especially foreign students(native people),who study in japan)
many chineese people ,who are rich have already move to other better countries,but how about poor chineese?not all chineese in indonesia are rich and we can get money easier in indonesia also all of our assets is in indonesia.we have nothing in china.

sorry for interupting. but these all are getting annoying. I hate ignorant people like you guys. jezz.. I'm not Chinese, but I dont hate Chinese. so why dont you do the same? if Indonesians and Chinese are still fighting, then you just are all the same. You can name yourself Chinese, I can name myself Indonesian -- or Javanese for exact, but still we ARE Indonesians. if you hate that, then convert your nationality. as simple as that.

try to live without hatred. if you want some proofs, I can give you some. My brother got married with Chinese girl, and four of my exes are Chinese. Nothing wrong with asimilation. Just dont consider about wealth. jezz.. that's the ignorant thing I hate.

blah, sorry for bubling.

You don't make much sense.

No one ever said *ALL* Indonesian hate Chinese enough to pillage our businesses and homes and rape our women. But you can't deny that such incidents did occur frequent enough to be disgusting.

Let's all live in peace. Let all Javanese rape Chinese females and rob our homes.

when I found this site -- this Indonesian talks for exact, I thought I will find some nice people, who dont fight about ethnicity, debating about Javanese and Chinese. Those ignorant comments show that you're that ignorant to be Indonesians -- I dont care you're Chinese-Indonesian.

gaaaah.. I guess I was wrong.

Why we all talking abour rasiscm? *sigh*
I'm chinese and if I can say the truth, long time ago (especially when Indonesia got the economic crisis >> I dunno about politic, let's not talking about that..) I don't like some of them (read: some of the people in Indonesia). But and then I realised, it wasn't all (read: Javanese, like what all you guys said) of them. We can't judge them like that.
I don't want to make Indonesia's name become worst, so let's not talking about SARA, won't you?

Chinese being mistreated in Indonesia is an extremely important issue. Actually being "mistreated" is an understatement.

It should be Indonesian atrocities against Chinese civilians.

First,

Indonesia is a very corrupted country. Honestly, the people there are not educated at all. In addition, they doesn't know what is the important of Chinese there.

They hate Chinese is because Chinese do business well and have a well-planned future. We earn money with our own hand. Therefore, that is why we have a better live than the native indon there so called Malay.

Like Chinese always said, if you want to have a better live than you must use your own hand to earn it. You cannot just sit at home and waiting for the money drop from the sky. Think logic!

First, I am a Chinese Indonesian. My family moved to Indonesia many generations ago from China to get away from communism.
We don't like the natives because they are very volatile people, easily manipulated and easily angered. Top that with a fanatical devotion to Islam, you have a race that is highly intollerant.

Once every 5-7 years, there would be riots against the chinese. And whenever these riots happened, we see same things happen:

First, they rob chinese businesses, then they burn it. Then they proceed to chinese residential areas and do the same thing, rob then burn.
Next they look for chinese woman, they rape them. The chinese men, they slash them with PARANG (a machete).

Let me ask you this, if you are a chinese living in Indonesia, and witness this kinda thing happened every 5-7 years, what would you think of the native who did those? You would have less compassion for them I bet. While they are raping and burning, other natives are standing around watching, some go home and watch it on TV.

NO NATIVES CAME TO HELP THE CHINESE DURING THESE EVENTS, THEY ROB AND RAPE AND BURN UNTIL NOTHING IS LEFT/ THEY HAVE RAPED ENOUGH.

NOT ONE POLICEMEN (who are also natives by law) CAME TO HELP, NO NICE NATIVES EITHER, THEY ALL WATHING THOSE TERRIBLE THINGS IN PLEASURE.

Can you natives/ dark-skinned asian blame us chinese for hating you?
You can't let chinese alone because of your extreme jealousy, it's your evil-mindedness that causes natives to have such a bad reputation, not because of chinese bad-mouthing you.

Akata, Kulong, 直隸總督, I agree with all of you!

oni-mx,

Where are you living now? If you're still in Indonesia, take the chance and earn as more money there. With the lack of competition there, business can be easily build up. Earn as much money as you can. When it is enaught take all the money out of that Indonesia. Close the business, and start a new live in another better place. Move to somewhere like Australia. Forget about Indonesia. That country is useless. Junk malay are stuck there. The reason they riot because they are stupid! They jealous of what the chinese have.