Here is an interesting article about Mongolia versus Chinese colonized Inner Mongolia!




A Tale of Two Mongolias

Posted on Monday, May 30, 2011 by 2point6billion.com

Chinese Occupied Inner Mongolia and the Mongolian State are separate entities, but confusion remains as to the differences.

Op-Ed Commentary: Chris Devonshire-Ellis

ULAANBAATAR, May 30 – Recent reports in the press over ethnic tensions “in Mongolia” demonstrate there is still much to be understood about the region. Apparently, an ethnic Mongolian herder was killed by a Han Chinese lorry driver in an accident that has sparked unrest in the Chinese autonomous region of Inner Mongolia. Meanwhile, Mongolia itself remains an independent country. Such reports however, tend to demonstrate poor standards of journalism, a lack of appreciation of the dynamics between the two areas, and a disregard for historical fact. That the incident was widely reported in headlines as having taken place in “Mongolia” blurs distinctions and is indicative of lazy journalism. In this article I aim to describe the differences between the two as well as shed some light on the background to the incident in question.

Many Chinese nationals still in fact regard all of Mongolia – including the sovereign nation to the north of Beijing – as being historically Chinese. Yet the reverse is true. While Mongolia was subsumed by the Han, it was the Mongols who were long the masters of the Steppes, creating under successive Khans an empire that stretched across Eastern Europe, Russia, most of Central Asia, China, Tibet and parts of India. Indeed, the very Dalai Lama himself is a symbol of Mongolian supremacy – the title was created by Altai Khan and bestowed upon the dominant Tibetan King of the day. The name itself is Mongolian, meaning “Ocean of Wisdom,” and is not Chinese. As Tibet sold religious favors to the Mongolians to legitimize the latter’s command of the region, so Tibet fostered a type of trade in religious blessings in return for military protection. This system would later be inherited by the Chinese dynasties as the Mongolian empire eventually crumbled, leaving Tibet to bestow favors upon the new regional power. This only came to a halt when Chairman Mao decided he had no need for religion and derided it as “poison.” Those acts of “suzerainty” so often quoted by the Chinese as meaning sovereignty, were in fact introduced by the Mongols, not the Chinese. A case for Tibet being part of Mongolia is arguably stronger than the case for the Chinese settlement of the land, military force and might not withstanding.

Indeed, the Chinese shame of having been invaded by the Mongols is such that history itself becomes warped – schoolchildren are taught that Genghis Khan was a Chinese Emperor. He wasn’t, he was a “barbarian” invader who conquered all. Beijing is still modeled – in terms of the siting of the main Tiananmen Square, the Forbidden City and the main avenues – on the ancient Mongolian city plans. No wonder the Chinese have such a strange attitude towards their neighbor, with distinctions between the sovereign state and the Chinese autonomous region still being blurred today.

With the demise of the Genghis Khan-led Mongolian Empire, which effectively lasted for about 400 years under different Khans, Manchu Qing eventually gained the upper hand and subsumed Mongolia towards the end of the 17th Century under their Qing Dynasty. It was the collapse of the Manchu Qing Dynasty in 1911 that gave the Mongolians the contemporary initiative to declare independence, but this came just as the rise of the Bolshevik Revolution was occurring in Russia. Faced with a choice between going cap in hand back to the Chinese or sticking with the Russians, the Mongolians became under strong Soviet influence until their withdrawal in 1991. Democratic elections were almost immediately held.

Inner Mongolia like Mongolia, it also fell to the Manchu Qing Dynasty in the late 1600s, however each various region of Mongolia was subjected to different rules. Inner Mongolians, unlike those elsewhere, were forbidden to travel to other parts of what had been the Mongolian Empire and a gradual assimilation by the Han Chinese began in a manner that did not occur elsewhere. Mass emigration of Han Chinese began in the late Qing period with the balance of ethnicity shifting to Han dominance, a position that remains today. With that has come settlement and the gradual destruction of the nomadic lifestyle.



There are other curious differences between Inner Mongolians and Mongolians. As many Inner Mongolians over the past 300 years have intermarried with Chinese, Mongolian nationals often regard them as inferior. Plus the advance of settled farming runs counter to traditional Mongolian values and understanding of land management techniques.

The incident in Inner Mongolia – which appears to have been as a result of an ethnic Mongolian herdsman trying to prevent Chinese coal trucks driving across grasslands – is symptomatic of the entirely different social structures each have come from. While many Mongolians remain nomadic, the Chinese are essentially settlers, and put land to long term use. The conflict of cultures and wisdom comes from the way the Chinese manage the land as opposed to the Mongolians viewpoint. “Scientific” methods of communal farming are deemed superior to the “backward” methods of the nomads. It’s a struggle as old as human habitation of the grasslands themselves, but one in which, in Inner Mongolia at least, the local ways are being pushed aside in favor of Han Chinese settlements and “advancement.” Such divisions cause friction in Inner Mongolia, but in Mongolia itself – where the traditional methods are still used without interference or ridicule – the wisdom of the nomadic life over a sedentary existence soon becomes apparent.

The results of the mass Han experiment in Inner Mongolia has had mixed results. In Inner Mongolia, the ethnic Mongolian’s earn significantly less than the Han Chinese, which may indicate that on an ethnic basis, the Mongolian nationals are already better off than their Inner Mongolian counterparts. Such a wide disparity between per capita incomes also indicates the money is not going back to the province. Inner Mongolia has become a feeding basket for the rest of China, regardless of the consequences to the ethnic residents, and to an increasing extent, the imposition of “scientific” methods of increasing production. It is, in essence, a region being stripped of its assets and the re-sale value of them.

That those Chinese methods at the expense of traditional nomadic lifestyles are heralded as superior by the Han settlers seems beyond doubt. Yet Inner Mongolia is suffering some of the worst desertification of grasslands in the world. The eradication of wolves for example, to protect valuable sheep flocks is a case in point. Traditionally, Mongolians and wolves have had a love-hate relationship. Yes, wolves take livestock, but wiping them out, as has been the Han Chinese policy, does far more damage than good. The “scientific” evaluation of the Han settlers of wolves as a scourge has resulted in many areas of Inner Mongolia becoming over-populated with rabbits, resulting in a total destruction of the grassland. Once replaced, it can never be reclaimed, and the Gobi Desert is growing in Chinese Inner Mongolia at a rate of 2.4 percent a year.

The accident that has sparked unrest in Inner Mongolia appears to have come from a similar lack of appreciation of land management by the Han. Apparently wanting to avoid a bumpy road, a convoy of coal trucks took a detour across nomadic pastures. It’s the middle of lambing season right now, and sheep will abort if disturbed, while the damage to the pastures themselves should not be underestimated. The Mongolian who died apparently did so trying to protect the grasslands and was run over by a truck – some say deliberately. According to the local township web site where the incident occurred, two Han Chinese drivers have indeed been arrested for murder. If true, such wanton disregard for the lives of ethnic minorities by the settling Han is as backward as that displayed by the European settlers towards the Native American Indians 400 years ago. That’s hardly civilized behavior for a nation that can put a man into space, and smacks of rampant colonialism.

Back in Mongolia itself, there is little signage in Chinese and a profound dislike for many Chinese. Wary of what happened to Tibet, and warier still of the damage being caused to millions of hectares of land to the south in Inner Mongolia, the Mongolian nationals retain their nomadic ways, and are passionate believers in democracy, Buddhism and the ways of the land. The link between traditional beliefs and a culture of awareness so in-tune with the land that it has become spiritual, ultimately manifests itself in the Dalai Lama being revered here. He still visits from time to time, and when that happens, the Chinese close the border in protest. A culture based on settlement, it seems, has no place for the sentimentality of the governing forces of nature. That is the major weakness in the Chinese attitude towards sustainable development. It leads instead to exploitation, while the Dalai Lama is regarded as a “Splittist.” What that really means is he understands the desirability for a nomadic lifestyle in Tibet over mass settlement. Lhasa, meanwhile, has become clogged up with fumes, and the air quality is suffering in that most holy of cities.

The Mongolians and the Tibetans, both used to harsh terrains, understand this. Not wanting to stress the land out, the nomadic existence still enjoyed by 30 percent of the entire national population of Mongolia is in reality far more sustainable than the “technologies” of the Chinese. While that Chinese "superior" culture has ended up poisoning children with melamine tainted milk from Han Chinese-run Inner Mongolian-based dairies, no such event took place in Mongolia itself, another major dairy producer.

Faced also with the new, massive wealth that Mongolia’s numerous mining projects will bring, the GDP growth rate and per capita income will see Mongolia outstrip its southern neighbor in just a few years. Mongolia’s per capita income by 2015 is expected to reach US$10,000, higher than that of Inner Mongolia and even surpassing the Shanghainese. For a nation of “backward and unsophisticated horsemen” (as was described to me by one Han Chinese recently) its seems that maybe after all, the nomadic lifestyle and attention to detail as regards natural sustainability may be the way forward.

It’s been noticed by some Han Chinese as well. Lu Jiamin, writing under the alias Jiang Rong, wrote about this issue in his novel “Wolf Totem.” It’s a book all Inner Mongolian-based cadres would be well advised to read, and makes one weep for the inevitability of the Han destruction of land through settlement farming in areas that simply cannot sustain such treatment. When scientific progress means milk laced with poisons, it’s time to start looking at the traditional alternatives. The two Mongolias could not be more different.

Chris Devonshire-Ellis is the Principal of Dezan Shira & Associates and Vice Chair of the Regional UNDP body covering Northern China and Mongolia. He is based in Beijing and is currently spending time in Mongolia evaluating the market potential and challenges for foreign investment.

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Jiang Rong’s “Wolf Totem”
A publishing sensation in China, this novel wraps an ecological warning and political indictment around the story of Chen Zhen, a Beijing student sent during the 1960s Cultural Revolution to live as a shepherd among the herdsmen of the Olonbulang, a grassland on the Inner Mongolia steppes.

So in other words, Inner Mongolia is 6 times richer than Outer Mongolia?

You do not understand the main point of this story:

Mongolians in Mongolia enjoy freedom, liberty, and human rights, and enjoy higher income than their Inner Mongolian brethrens who are exploited by 22 million Chinese illegal immigrants, whose income is lower than that of Mongolians in Mongolia, and who suffer under the Chinese communist dictatorship!

So, who is better off: Mongolians in Mongolia who enjoy freedom and democracy, and fast growing economy, OR Inner Mongolians who are minority in their own land, who have no freedom, liberty, and human rights, and who are worse off than their brethrens in Mongolia because the Chinese suck up all the resources from Inner Mongolia?

Furthermore, as this author pointed out, the Chinese are turning Inner Mongolia, once one of the most beautiful grasslands on earth, into life-less deserts!

Read Jiang Rong's Wolf Totem! In that book, you will find out the real superiority of the Mongolian nomadic warrior culture compared to the Chinese rice-peasantry culture!

You are a Pavlov dog. Do not ever teach me about democracy. You are conditioned to worshipping your White master only. Learn more about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov . Before preaching anything you even don't know yourself.

So in other words, Inner Mongolia is 6 times richer than Outer Mongolia?

The tone of all you mongolians will get you exactly what you deserve from Chinese: nothing, zero. Even your minerals are all developed by foreigners, including Chinese. Even sitting on such natural gifts you cannot develop. What entitlement you think you have talking to Chinese with your tone? fu-king idiots.

I am not trying to teach you about democracy and human rights! I understand that the values such as democracy, freedom, and human rights are alien concepts to most Chinese! I know that the Chinese communist party always tells the Chinese that because China has 1.4 billion people, China must be controlled by the Communist Party.

But I bet that the time will come when the Chinese people realize that it is EVIL to kill innocent students by tanks and millions of unborn babies by forced abortion due to the Communist party one-child policy. Then, perhaps, we can talk democracy and share with you Mongolia's successful democratic transition to a thriving democracy! Until then, you enjoy your brutal communist rule that kills millions and millions of innocent Chinese every year!

everyone knows how hateful mongols are. But this is news to some people, they're also stupid enough to come get humiliation in a Chinese chat.

The Mongolians including these neo-nazi youth are very angry at you-Chinese because you-Chinese stole 50 percent of traditional Mongolian land, and exploit 4.5 millions (60 percent of world's Mongolians) Mongolians under the brutal Chinese rule!

This is the reason why Mongolians are talking to you in this tone: We want OUR LAND BACK!

Here's some food for thought for Mongols: They accuse Chinese for having low working standards, peanuts for pay, with no insurance or safety, but it really is just a testament to how hard working Chinese are and how lazy Mongols are. Mongolia is nowhere even close to being developed and they're demanding good pay, insurance, work unions etc.? Almost countries that want to industrialize have to go through the phase of terrible working conditions and low pay. It sucks for the generation that has to go through this phase but their descendants reap the benefits. Maybe thats why Mongolia has such a high unemployment rate. Men and women who want more than they deserve.

The Mongolians including these neo-nazi youth are very angry at you-Chinese because you-Chinese stole 50 percent of traditional Mongolian land, and exploit 4.5 millions (60 percent of world's Mongolians) Mongolians under the brutal Chinese rule!

This is the reason why Mongolians are talking to you in this tone: We want OUR LAND BACK!

i like how you didnt post the pic they showed.



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like 1/10 the population of Inner Mongolia and still so much worse in gdp per capita.

For a country that 3 armored battalions can overrun in one week, you should learn smarter ways to talk to Chinese.

if china sealed the border they'd be $400 per capita if even that much.

well i can see why they want inner mongolia. they lose to it in every category except ethnic % make up lmao. what i find strange is this victim mentality.

oh boo hoo you took 50% of our land. 60% of mongol under ruthless chinese rule.

then they switch right up.

talking about Genghis khan conquering China.

Genghis Khan was Song ally. unless they accept Jin as Chinese it was Kublai who did it. and he did everything he could to COPY Chinese. but thats beside the point. how are they going to hype up that vaunted tough Mongol image then come crying about Chinese. so lame.

Not gonna happen.

Face it, the Mongols are a defeated, annexed and colonized people much like the Native Americans.

The Mongol descendants in the near future will be living in Chinese cities as Chinese citizens speaking Chinese and forgetting about their Mongol heritage. Just accept it and move on!

To get a country at all sandwiched between two land empires, they should feel precious about the independence and relative equality they have now, not to provoke the one country that may claim it someday.



I wonder if they even believe their own stories. If mongols are so proud of conquering China for a short time, why do they think Chinese should feel indebted for holding half of Mongolia?

Am I suppose to feel pity?

If you want "your" land back, then take it back. Don't cry like a baby.

Your original homeworld is around Lake Baikal in the north under Russia territory.

The modern day Mongolia is not your land as historical evidence proof it.

You just a nomad people who immigrate to that land less than 1000 years ago.

Why don't you ever try to liberate fellow Asians under Russia occupation in Siberia instead of bothering the China?

Thats what they did back in the 90's when for some reason the Outer Mongolian leadership suddenly got the great idea to invite the Dalai Lama over for an "official" visit. The CHinese side decided to close off their side of the border for "rail maintenece". Needless to say, the once uppity Monolians were litterally begging for mercy just after one week.

Amazing!

As Genghis Khan said, in war, victory does NOT depend on how many rice peasants-soldiers you have, but victory depends on the skill, experience, and courage of generals and soldiers!

This is why we-Mongolians always defeated you-Chinese in big wars. There is no single big war that the Chinese won. Sure, the Chinese may have won a battle or two because they are very cunning and devious rather than smart and couragious.

You-Chinese owe to Mongolians and Russians when the joint Soviet-Mongolian armies defeated the mighty Japanese Kwantong Army in the North East Asia, and liberated Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, and North China from the Japanese.

What you-Chinese were doing during WW2 despite being several hundred million? Well, as Lu Xun vividly described, the Chinese were obediently lining up to be executed in the Japanese head-chopping competition in Nanjing and other places!

War is not your national strength. The history shows that you-Chinese are very good at rice and cabbage growing, foot binding, building walls, and castrating boys to make them eunuchs but not at fighting wars. You are good at killing innocent Tibetan monks and nuns, innocent Mongolians and Uighurs, and unborn Chinese babies!

Mongolians insecurity must be flying through the roof. Little "baasiddeghuja" is crying over mistreatment while at the same time says rubbish such as this:



Why in the world should Chinese treat Mongols like humans?. From the looks of it, Mongols don't deserve to be treated as humans.

You are right! During the Mongolian Yuan dynasty, the Chinese people were regarded lower than Mongolian war-horses and Mongolian shepherd dogs. The Chinese were classified as third and fourth class citizens, and the Chinese Confucian scholar, the most prestigious person in the traditional Chinese social hierarchy, was ranked lower than street prostitutes!

Therefore, the demographic, cultural, and linguistic genocide that the Chinese are carrying out in Inner Mongolia is a Chinese revenge! But the Mongolians are fighting back already, and they will liberate Inner Mongolia from the Chinese occupation and colonization one day!

We own inner mongolia,now cry me a river b!tch.

Mongols are not suitable in the modern world. In the past, you may have an advantage due to your savage ways but we are now living in the modern world. How could Mongols have any chance in beating Chinese when Mongols can't even comprehend what its like to live in a half civilized society?

Dont say that.Their military have been practicing horse back riding and archery for decades,just waiting for the right opportunity to attack.

ic. but there is no point showing the above as that does not address the issue raised. do u by the way had any figures that shows the income of the mongolians in inner mongolia? if u had both chinese and non-chinese sources that will be great.

Yes, you are right! I can not believe that we have similar views!

Yes, the Mongolians are so "unsuitable" to the modern world that they are building a successful and dynamic democracy where freedom, liberty, and human rights are respected, and managing the world's fastest growing economy. FYI, Mongolia's GDP grew at stuggering 23 percent in 2011. Many economists including those from the World Bank and IMF predict that Mongolia will be the fastest growing economy in the world during the next two decades!

Yes, you-Chinese are so "suitable" to the modern world that you hate freedom and democracy, support the Chinese government's killings of innocent students, peaceful monks and nuns, and millions of unborn Chinese babies!

Now, you tell me who is civilized and who is not - Freedom loving Mongolians, and baby-killing Chinese?

Not really,mongolia is one of the poorest asian country.Thats just a fact.
And mongolia doesnt forbid abortion,as most countries in the world.So what are you really bragging about?

We are all in for a shock when they storm us with their rocket launching horsemen on robot horses.

The difference between China and Mongolia in terms of abortion policy is this:

In Mongolia, abortion is a largely choice. The only restriction is to abort babies more than three-months old. This is consistent with WHO's policies!

In China, abortion is forced and imposed on women due to the one-child policy. Moreover, it is legal in China to abort 8-9 months old babies! This is a very serious violation of the United Nations' and WHO rules about abortions!

Well, then, what to expect from a communist government that kills innocent students by using heavy battle tanks and machine-guns?

But isnt Republic Mongolia is even worse in terms of protecting Mongolian people's true interests ?
Because why have the leadership willingly sold their souls to Moscow, ever since the day they got independent, until today ?
Isnt it worse because they are supposed to be independent and supposed to control their own affairs, but they not only failed to do so, but they have willingly bowed down in front of the Russians ?

I think they even adopt Russian letters, Russian-style buildings and architectures, and even Russian music.
Even now when I visit YouTube and I click to listen to Serebro (which is a nice group) and Dima Bilan, sometimes I see Mongolian clip on the side thumbnails and I click them, and I am shocked because I can see they just follow Russian style contemporary pop.

That makes me suspicious whether Mongolia Republic is really an independent country or actually they are just like those Ukraine, Bellarusia, Kazakhstan, those types.

Even makes me sadder is that the news that sometimes Russian nationalists stab Mongolian students.

Makes me sad.

I believe before you channel your energy and focus on the southern area, try to focus on the internal domestic problem first.
Didnt you read the news recently that Mongolian Railways made a renewal deal with Russian Railways, if I am not wrong Russian Railways control lands and the machines and the operations of Mongolian trains.
I often see these types of news, about railways, power supply, etc, which make me have the impression that Mongolia Republic even until today is still under the control of Moscow and still bow down to Putin.

Sad.

Do not forget that fast battle tanks can reach Beijing from Mongolia's southern border town - Zamyn-Uud within 6-8 hours! Up until 1990, the Soviet Army had two tank divisions (each had more 3000 best tanks) just north of the border town Zamyn-Uud. And Russians had two airborne divisions each had more than 1000 fighter jets and heavy bombarders in 100 kim from the Chinese border. And vene now China's most advanced divisions that defend Beijing are located in Inner Mongolia and Hebei!

Many people in Mongolia are convinced that it is the Soviet Forces that prevented the Chinese attacks on Mongolia in 1979 when the Chinese attacked Northern Vietnam.

Thats true.

So even you yourself have admitted it.

I feel so sad about it.

Pining over the days of the now-fallen Soviet Empire? You, a Mongo? Sad.

Lets talk about war AFTER you manufacture a battle tank.

LOL, is it not true that even today, they is still get all their equipment from Russia? XD
And I always hear Mongol say they is hate Russians...

Why should China give back Mongolia to the Mongolians when Mongolians like to talk about "conquering" China and killing/raping Chinese?
Mongolia is very lucky the Republic of China lost the Chinese Civil War. Otherwise Mongolia would be part of China. I think the PRC has been very kind in their treatment towards Mongolians. Perhaps too kind.

Mongolia being a democracy doesn't mean $hit if it recently just gained independence in the 1990s and is still a turd world country. Like I said before, it's like a hobo telling a billionaire he has a better life because he doesn't have any responsibilities and doesn't have to pay taxes or worry about mortgage. No one opposes the Mongolian government because most of the people in Mongolia are illiterate farmers.

Mongolia's economy is fast growing because they were too stupid to utilize their resources. Instead, they willingly bend over to Russians and Chinese and give it to them. It's economy is growing only because they started to realize that the "shiny rocks in the ground" are actually worth millions. In about a few years, those resources are going to run out and they will go back to sucking China's d!ck.

As for China being "baby killers", at least China is trying to protect the environment. They care about keeping the world population in check. I bet if China was NOT "killing" off babies, Mongolians would complain that China does not care about keeping their population in check. Oh yea, by the way, WHO does not condemn abortion. Abortion is "preventing births", not killing babies.

Also, throughout history, China produced many great philosophers, inventors, arts, etc... Mongolia has produced nothing for their entire existence on Earth. I guess killing and raping are their biggest accomplishments.

Mongols in Mongolia worship Russians. Mongols and other Central Asians in Russia hates Russians. As they say, familiarity breeds contempt .

They produce my ancestors

Joke, is true what you say. China is invent far more intelligent things than Mongolians ever do. Gunpowder, paper, glasses, all these things which today so many people is use, and not even realize how their lives would be change if these things was not made. Is nation of many intelligent people from long ago in history.

I do not mind if Mongolian nationalists have a special attention towards their southern flank or even always trashing their southern neighbours in order to emphasize their own sovereignty, independence, and superiority.

I do not mind it.

Just I dont understand one thing.

How can they be so deluded to think that Mongolia Republic is indeed sovereign, independent, and superior, when the evidence says that even today Putin is controlling it ?

I just dont understand this contradiction.

Maybe it is too difficult to grasp and tackle, and thus this topic is totally bypassed ?

We-Mongolians never ever sold our souls to the Russians! On the contrary, we allied with the Russians to fend off the Chinese aggression! The enemy of your enemy is your friend! We used the Russian military might to defend our country against Chinese and Japanese aggressions! Remember, Mongolia was the ally of the Soviet Union from the first day of the Great Patriotic war - June 22, 1941! And Mongolian Army together with the Soviet Red Army defeated the mighty Japanese Kwantong Army and liberated Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, and Northern China from Japanese occupation! The Chinese owe their lives and country to Soviet and Mongolians armies that liberated them from Japanese genocide!

Mongolia is a successful democracy. Therefore, different people and politicians have slightly different approaches in public policy. Most importantly, Mongolian politicians are under very heavy media and electoral pressure to perform. But all-Mongolian people and politicians are united in our foreign policy: The main threat to Mongolia is China but not Russia. Therefore, most Mongolians are happy to work with the Russians who built the entire Mongolian infrastructure in the 1950-80s, and left Mongolia when Mongolia became democratic. In contrast, look at what is going on in Tibet, Inner Mongolia, and Xinjaing - millions of and millions of Chinese immigrants move into these regions and settle there FOREVER unless they are kicked out!

What is wrong to enjoy Dostoevsky, Tolstoi, or Turgenev writings? What is wrong to listen to Tsaikovsky, Prokop'ev, and Shostakovich music? These are world cultural heritage created by talented Russians!

Sure, Mongolia is building another railway line to connect Southern Gobi with Russian regions to access the Russian ports. Through this Mongolia wants to export copper, gold, coal, rare earht, and so on to Japan, Korea, and US market! The Chinese have proven to be unreliable! Therefore, Mongolian public supports this government plan although it is much more expensive than sending coal to Japan through China-Tianjin.


Another advantage Mongolia enjoys over China is our leaders' education, experience, and youthful energy. For example, our President Tsahia Elbegdorj (48 years old), who is an oirat Mongolian from Hovd, is a graduate of the Military Academy in L'vov, now Ukrains, and Harvard University's Kennedy school of Government (completed Master's in public and development economics). He is fluent in three foreign languages: English, Russian, and Ukrainian. In contrast, Chinese Hu or Xi studied water engineering and marxism, mao philosophy at Tsinghua University. Both do not speak any foreign languages.

The list can go on and on! Our prime-minister is a graduate of London Business School, our Speaker is a graduate of Humboltd University in Berlin, our top female politician earned PhD in nuclear physics from the University of Cambridge in England!

Thus, we-Mongolians have very global approach to everything.Therefore, we do not kow tow to any one including Russians. But we-Mongolians in general like and trust Russians because it is the Russians who helped us most when we had hard time. In contrast, Uighurs and Inner Mongolians did not ask Russia to help, but relied on the Chinese, and ended up losing their country, culture, resources, and women to the millions of Chinese immigrants!

Who was right here - The Mongolians who relied upon the Russians, or Tibetans, Uighurs, and Inner Mongolians who relied upon the Chinese?

The nationalists kill people every where including Russia, or China, or Mongolia! But they are tiny minority!

Excuse me, but is you really know how Mongols is being treated by Russian military?
We is subordinate. Even if Russia was make alliance with Mongolian military in WW2, guess who was command all the battles? Certainly not yellow people.
Russians only use you as foot soldier for their fighting. Is what they do for long history with all Asiatic people close to them. China has no debt to Mongolia for free them. It was RUSSIA who chase Japan from Manchuria. Mongols did not even having their own weapons. It was all from Soviets, and like I say, they was only play role of footsoldier. Russians can easily beat Japanese without your help. They is having enough of their own Altaic and Siberian troops to do this kind of dirty work.

Lmao. This guy is full of $hit. The Russians and Mongolians did not even fight the Japanese at all during WWII. Why do you think the Russians DECLARED WAR on Japan AFTER Germany was defeated?

The Mongolians were collaborating with the Japanese under a puppet regime. Mongolians were also subordinate to the Soviets. Khorloogiin Choibalsan wanted to take Inner Mongolia and parts of China back, but Stalin would not let him. the Mongolians who did fight the Japanese fought under a Russian banner.

Chinese do not owe Mongolians anything since Mongolians collaborated with Japanese. Even China built Mongolia after WWII. They built apartment buildings and provided labor, like
the 120 myangat district. Russia on the other hand killed many buddhists and began political purges.

Who cares if your politicians speak multiple languages? That's what translators are for.

Mongolians are sore losers so they resort to sucking Russia's d!ck. Russia does not even care about them anymore.

Russian politicians do not have direct influences on Mongolian politics. Sure, Mongolia is dependent on oil imports from Russia because Mongolian crude is inferior to Siberian crude. Moreover, it is for us cheaper to import than drilling and processing oil in Mongolia. Even here, Mongolia just started building oil and gas processing plant that can satisfy easily the needs of 2.8 million people.

However, many Mongolian politicians have very good personal relationships with many leading Russian politicians including Vladimir Putin and Medvedev! Would you believe that Mongolia's Minister for infrastructure, transport, and telecom three times wrestled with Putin in late 1970s when he was a member of the judo team of the Soviet KGB? Therefore, they are very good friends who know each other for more than 30 years!

Lastly, Mongolia has only two neighbors: Russia and China. Therefore, when China is a real threat to your country (Look at how Tibetans, Uighurs and Inner Mongolians are suffering under the Chinese control) you have no choice but to cooperate with the Russians. Both Mongolia and Russia make mutual consessions. This is normal in world diplmacy!

I don't see how Tibetans, Uighurs, and Mongolians are suffering under China? Their population is increasing and they speak their own langauge and write their own language. In Mongolia, the older generation has forgotten how to write in traditional script. They write using the cyrillic alphabet now.

Mongolia has to choose to assimilate between Russia or China. It is inevitable. So I don't care if China is a threat to Mongolia.

Russia was never care about them. Like I say in last post, they is only use Mongol people like puppets.

Whatever, in the end mongolians who hold chinese passport still outnumber "true" mongolians citizen of outer mongolia by far.

You are right! Tibetans, Uighurs and Inner Mongolians in China are so "happy" that they protest against the Chinese rule often, and many Tibetan monks and nuns self-immolate because they live in "China-heaven"! The number of Tibetans who self-immolated is reaching 30, and counting!

Do you know that one-third of Inner Mongolians do not speak Mongolian? This is the result of forced assimilation. But Inner Mongolians like Tibetans and Uighurs started to fight back! The last summer's large demonstrations in Inner Mongolia is the just beginning!

We-Mongolians think that we have nothing to do with the Chinese who eat dog -domesticated brother of Wolf, the totem of Mongolians, and therefore, we will stay away from the Chinese! So far so good, we are succeeding.

Do you know that Ulan-Bator is the only capital city in Asia that does NOT have a China-town? Even Kazakhstan's Astana, Kyrgyz capital - Bishkek, and Dushanbe - Tadjik capital have China-towns. In the 1950-80s, many thousand Chinese were kicked out of Mongolia!

So, we-Mongolians are building a bright future based on democracy, human rights, and strong economy!

Mongolia is defacto Russia's vassal state.