Hi everyone, I'm Chinese, and I just read a recent poll about how the US compared with China in its popularity polls, and I was surprised to see that the Philippines was unusually distrustful of China. I was curious as to why the Philippines seems to regard China so negatively, as I don't remember China having any beef with the many islands of the Philippines, more so than many other countries.

Nevermind, I think I misread the polls.

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Communism.

Because they are commies and ethnocentric, racist, nazi admiring people who suck SEASIAN economies dry to empower their motherland.

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I personally would lean more towards China's side, China is a growing giant and i wouldnt want to get on her bad side

LOL, being threatened is good reason to distrust China.

its pretty simple really....the goverment has been fighting a communist insurgence for almost 50 yrs and since china is a communist country....the people dont really know who they are really supporting...the government or their fellow communist.

So the reason Filipinos don't like China is because the ruling party has the word Communist in it? Would it make a difference if the Chinese Communist Party is renamed Chinese Nationalist Party or whatnot?

The Phillipines does matter much to China. China has other friends you know

believe it or not but the average filipino...dont really pay much attention to what china is up to these days....unless their a person who follow international politics or have interrest in china, all they remmeber about china is the china of old....the china who supported the communist in the korean war, the china who supported the communist in the vietnam war, and the china who politicaly supported the first communist insurgency in the philipines(the hukks, i think,not the New peoples army)

also i found that some of the chinese-filipinos are decendants of those that fled the country after Chiang Kai-shek lost...maybe that also has something to do with it

then why are chinese asking these questions in the first place? and why is Chinese even coming to Philippines and giving aid to make friends? Hmmmm....

to sujien's last post, it's the past experience of democracies during the Cold War, which and the fact that Chinese though isn't Communist anymore, nor ever was, still have the ruling people from the same era of the long past.

Philippines is the first republic in East Asia, and since it's also American protege, it has the paranoidical tendency much like it's teacher. Where communism is been molded to equal the word "evil", much like the communist have molded "capitalism" as.

and trust me PI isn't the only country that has the same problem. nor is China/Chinese safe from this curse. in fact PI i'd say is more, and always been, more liberal in it's views in East Asia.

Oh, I corrected myself in the beginning; the polls show that Filipinos actually have a rather postive opinion of China. Flip, there is a type of stigma with the CCP. However, a lot of countries that were even under the US have developed a positive view of China. The first one out of my head is S. Korea, which seems to have a positive opinion of China. Oh, and do you happen to know why Lebanon has such a high opinion of China? I've barely heard of that country all the way to the West, but apparently it really likes China.

Lebanon's i think have to do with starting being anti West. despite being more liberal than it's middle eastern neighbors, the country that has big christian pop., is still under Syrian occupation and the recent conservativism (not only in the Muslim world, but everywhere even America)

but yeah i believe it has to do with it. Since China is an emerging challenger to the US...

i don't think the Philippines regard China in a distrusting way. in fact, it's a good thing to see an emerging Asian power who can probably, in the future, speak up for East, South and Southeast Asia as a whole. i didn't include the Middle East coz they can speak up for themselves although they are still Asians.

if China steps up diplomatic relations and gear towards helping other Asian neighbors rather than focusing on her own economy too much, then she could probably gain more support and lesser resistance from other Asian economies.

LOL like that would ever happen, even the chinese who immigrate to SEAsian countries like the Philippines has more affinity to China then to the country they currently live in.

well then we just would have to concentrate on our own, right? after all, there's no sense cooperating with other nationalities when we can't cooperate in uplifting even our country from shambles.

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We need to clean out the corruption in the gov. Then we need a progressive president who will strive to improve the Pinas. even if we have to walk over other countries to get there.

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filipino distrust china??? nah.....i don't think so

Probably doesn't distrust china, Filipinos just seem to distrust chinese in the philippines for being more successful in a country they did not originate from. China is a leech, in my opinion, but then again, I'm pro-chinese 2 . They have hoarded gold, bought/stockpiled american currency by printing more money and buying US dollar with it, and many other things.

So in other words you hate us because were successful. Thats a pretty sad excuse as well as an ignorant one. Don't hate us just because we have drive and determination to succeed in foreign countries! I don't know if you noticed but weather its a chinese person thats successful or a white, indian, or european person the bigger picture is in the end it all goes towards helping your economy and creating more jobs and opportunities for YOUR people. Jamaica is another country that has alot of chinese people there and my godfather is a chinese jamican but all he ever gets is love everytime he goes back. Chinese people there are successful to but there isn't anybody there complaining about it nor is there any backlash. Theres a saying in Jamaica that goes "Out of many people, come one" that alone represents what jamaica is all about.

You say that were leeches and yet my ex who ironically was filipina had nothing but good things to say about me and the chinese population in the philippines so im guessing this is just a inferiority complex some filipinos have with other people coming into there country not with the intention of making them look bad but to make an honest living for themselves and your gonna hate us for that. You guys are messed up. I always thought there was something shady wit you guys but I never could put my finger on it now I know. You people need to understand that if it wasn't for us your country would be in much worse shape then it is now. Frankly I don't care I believe in treating people with respect but chinese people are known to adapt anywhere so it doesn't matter where they go they will be the best at what they do its in our nature.

China is quickly coming up to the ranks of equality with the U.S and hopefully surpassing them I really don't think were going to care if the philippines doesn't want our prescence there.

I also like to add that if were really are leeches then why is it that the filipinos are always leeching off our culture? Everybody on this planet now realizes that the market in china is profitable you and your peoples are the only ones who would do something so screwed up as to reject us lie we give a s***. Understand something something we don't need you but you need us so stop trying to make it come off like you guys are hot s*** when in reality you aren't.

what the hell? explain.


what you said makes no sense.

dont let a few people make up your generalization, its already hard it is to make a living in the Philippines, people will always tend to believe stereotypes and prejudice...

my parents are both chinese born in the philippines, we haven't encountered any problems. filipinos are really nice like that i guess.

I MEANT that some filipinos have always had a stank attitude when chinese people start to blow up in there own country they don't like that. And Im glad to know its not happening to you and your parents but try to understand not all of us are immune to that kind of ignorance. Like I said before the majority of filipinos I meet are either very warm and nice or very stank and competitive WHY??? Because Im chinese thats just a fact they have admitted it. Somehow they have developed this weird notion that its okay for a filipina to go to honk kong to work as a maid or nurse but its not alright for a chinese person to work in the philippines because of the fear that were making there peoples look bad because were so successful and there not. You sit there and tell me thats not stank!

Totally agreed. I think that the people tend to believe in those stereotypes and such, especially of China being some "EVIL" Communist state are mostly those that find it difficult to make a living in the Phillipines. When times are hard, people will look for someone to blame, someone to make an enemy. China is just very convenient to be that enemy.

However, this isn't totally true, like Sujien has said, he misread the poll. Things are coming around, and China's relations with SEAsian nations I believe will eventually improve. China isn't stupid enough to completely ignore SEAsia and think they can grow as an influence. At this point, they ARE the Asian nation that is getting the most international publicity, and will very likely later become a superpower [as predicted by Time magazine, US consumer & world report]. They'll realize that in order to do so, they must maintain and build better relations with their neighbors. Hopefully that is what will happen.

I stand by my statements but I totally agree with you too.

i agree with what you're saying. i think a factor might be that once chinese immigrants become loaded, they sort of lock themselves up in gated communities with big @$$ houses and don't really give back to the country that helped them become successful. that's at least how some people might view it. this might not happen in jamaica but that sort of thing happens in the philippines. and this might not be the filipino viewpoint, but i am a person that is surrounded by the chinese-filipino culture yet i am not that much a part of it so i assume that's how others may feel.

So in other words your telling me that there are certain chinese people in the philippines who don't give back to the community and thats the reason why theres so much animosity directed towards us. Let me just say theres no law that states that successful people or people who make a certain dollar amount are obligated to give back to the community. Obviously it would be great if they did but WILLINGLY. If Im rich and successful and yet I had filipinos giving me dirty looks becuz they feel like Im suppose to give back then I would intentionally not do it becuz they were going about it the wrong way right from the start and pissing me off. They look at us like were outsiders but at the same time expect us to come to there rescue and be charitable when there giving attitude.. Thats never gonna happen. I do exactly what you said in your response and lock my self in a big a** house behind some gates becuz I sure as hell can't blame those that do that.

I also like to add that currency comes in many forms when you say give back to the community your talking in financial terms but we as chinese people have contributed so much to this country besides money that it isn't even funny anymore. Like creating more jobs and opportunities, enriching there culture and adding to there diversity, as well as giving them financial aid in the millions without asking for anything in return. You say the natives of the philippines look at us and resent us becuz were not giving back but with there origins being filipino what have they contributed to making it a better country to live in besides whining about it to the chinese and putting it on our shoulders like its suppose to be our responsibilty now because were the powerful Chinese and China just has a s***load of money lying around.

You guys need to stop relying so much on other countries and realize that its the people that make the difference. Change can't be initiated externally it can only be done internally so stop thinking like its everybodies elses responsibility to help you guys and do it yourselves. I can speak on behalf of myself and the chinese we will always be here for you to help you for as long as you need it but we as well as the states can only open the door for you you have to be the one to walk through.

The govts between China and Phillipine seem to get along just fine. GMA visited china several times and she seemed to enjoyed it very much.

People contact between two countries are booming too. many chinese tourists visit philipine every year.

It's just every once a while, there will be reports some chinese gets kidnapped for ransom in philipine, it's quite unnerving.

that's not what i mean. and you make it seem as if all filipinos hate us. that isn't the case. believe me, in the philippines, there are a lot more things to worry about then hating certain groups of people. i'm sorry you had to deal with certain people that happened to be filipino but not many filipino pople i know are like that. i'm just posing reasons as to why they might not like chinese people as you say they don't. but it's not that common a thing as you might think.

Education, business is business. It's not charity, and it's not a show of good will, it's simply business. When you go shopping for food, is the cashier your good friend? What about when you go to a restauraunt, is the waiter your friend? Of course not; you're simply taking advantage of a win-win situation. You're not giving anymore than you are receiving. Lastly, the wealthy are not obligated to help the less fortunate, but they have a duty, as rational and sentient human beings, to contribute to the betterment of other people. Imagine this situation, a boy is drowing and if you throw a lifesaver, you will be able to save his life. If you don't, is it a crime? Of course not. If you accidentally run over a child with your truck, is that a crime? No, that is not a crime either, but nonetheless you are expected to show a reasonable amount of compassion and generosity to other people. You are not legally obligated to, but you must do at least a minimum to show that you are not a heartless bastard. Business is business; it is not charity, and it is not generosity. The way the wealthy parade around the Philippines are refuse to give even a bit is a reflection of their character.

Ok so whats your point? I can't see for one second in my response where it condoned charity and giving back to those less fortunate but I did say that charity should be done willingly and not forced. And what your saying does it mean that the jobs that we have created in the philippines is it just buisness and doesn't mean anything or what about the donations they've gotten from us but yet we never hear about that. All we hear is that were not donating enough that were being snobs that were this and that and Im sorry but what you have said in your response does not change my stance on this issue at all. Your trying to compare saving a life to helping a country which is not feasible because any human being with a heart would help another individual in distress if they can but what happens if you keep saving them from one problem after another just to be told that your not doing enough wouldn't that kind of make me or anybody else in a similar situation annoyed or even hurt.

Like I said you can't compare business with ethics you can talk till the moon is blue about how its our duty but where is there's? While supposedly its our duty as chinese to help them which I strongly feel we already have then where does there duty lie. We have met them more then halfway already, have they. I find it to be a bunch of crap when certain individuals claim were being stingy and not giving enough money when you have some filipinos in the PI who are wealthy and they don't give two s**** about whats going on in there own native country and expect foreigners in there own land to fix it. I find it to be absurd and ignorant that just because we have a good life and are well off were suppose to just automatically donate because you seem to think its our duty. If thats the case then its every persons duty in the PI to donate rich or poor because what upsets me here is your targeting one specific group out of all this and laying the burden on them like its some kind of a guilt trip if we don't do it.

You know as well as we do as chinese they don't have to take this and they can just up and leave and go elsewhere but they don't because what Im trying to show you guys here is that Chinese people are very charitable people and not some stingy a*******. I seriously doubt the problem here is lack of funds from wealthy chinese families but the real problem in the PI isn't lack of charity its the corrupt government they have in place so I fail to see why wealthy chinese families have to take the brunt of all of the crap thats happening in your country when they have no control over it. Targeting just the wealthy and accusing them of not giving enough or telling them its there duty to give like its automatic is way beyond unfair.

It doesn't matter which ethnic group is wealthy or not; the wealthy Filipinos who refuse to give are equally as reprehensible. Of course you are not obligated to give to charity; no one is. But the wealthy know that they can easily make more peoples' lives better by becoming more charitable. The excuse that one doesn't have to give because it's his or her own money is a sign of inexcusable stinginess and callusness. The disadvatanged have every right to look down upon the wealthy. The are legally bound to leave the wealthy alone, but they're disdain is completely justified and understandable. You cannot compare doing business if the Philippines as charity. You're making a profit, you're getting rich, you're living the good life. Would the wealthy be there if the island sapped away their wealth? I seriously doubt that.

Tell me something there are many chinese people in Jamaica why is it we have never heard about chinese poeple not giving back there. Its totally different in the PI I for one am not going to give if people are going to be holding out there grubby little hands like they expect it. FYI just to quote you we didn't have to give BUT WE ALREADY HAVE and we have done much to try to turn the country around. And you say that chinese people working in the PI doesn't equal to charity because were getting rich!!!! Do you honestly believe that thats all that comes out of it is that the person gets wealthy what about the hundreds of jobs created along with getting more jobs created it equals more opportunities for others who are less fortunate to be able to work and support there families and help them to start there path to financial independence instead of standing around and askinf for free handouts like there incapable of making money.

And your wrong when you say there disdain is justified because it isn't. These people are not little children but your painting them out to be like little kids who throw a temper tantrum when they didn't get enough for christmas how is that justified. Im pretty sure when china started out we didn't look towards the more wealthy chinese like they were the scum of the earth because they had a duty to give back to us instead of waiting for handouts we just made it happen which is why so many of us have been able to adapt to almost any environment we are in.

You say that the wealthy wouldn't be there if there money was taken away by the island thats funny considering there wouldn't be an island if it wasn't for the people...

well my opinion on this. i think there are Chinese, not Chinese but Chinoy, that are Filipinos who are Chinese biologically. But there are Chinese who are but doing business in PI.

Ie Hamlet's family, they're Chinese almost hundred percent biologically but they celebrate and practice Filipino culture.

I think business is business. that's right. but there are those businessmen, all of them: chinoy, chinese, and pinoys, who are just plain greedy and monopolistics. ie those who bribe to pay less taxes, those who employ natives for slave labors, illegal loggers, miners, illegal traders, etc...

i think the problem with the PI is the way it's handled. I might sound too strong, but what i think we need is another dictator, one that'll regulate the govt. hierarchy, put social reform and welfare, organize the military, bypassing the slow and corrupt "democrazy".

You mean a purging?

i been thinking about that too...
when the time is right maybe you guys can join my army when the revolution comes....i'll be the fidel castro of the philippines

no. not purging like the cultural revoulution. more like "getting $hit done right and quick".

with pi's democracy, it's not only slow but also bogged down by bull$hitty bureaucracy. let's say we get a dictator, hopefully that know how to run and genuinely put the bayan first before self. if that's the case not only you get $hit done quick because you jump over corrupt bureacracy and officials, but you also execute it properly.

Sorry, I don't know a lot about PI history, but how did they get a democracy in the first place if it doesn't work so great? Was it the US influence?

I think PI is a great example [am I using PI correctly? I'm assuming it stands for Phillipines?] where you can say that democracy doesn't work the best in all situations, and that is where the other forms of government come into place.

no. democracy actually if you asked me is the best for pi, it's just that there's no good control of the government to set $hit right.

Marcos who became the dictator, in the name of purging and stopping the Communist from taking over during the sixties. of course US didn't intervene because US policy was better dictatorship than communism.

but ever since he was taken out democratically bloddlessly in '86, it seems that there is not one president let by the people to rule, because they are scared that it would become another dictator. however at the same time the people expect so much more from a president, who constutionally have much limited power compare before with only one six year term.

democracy,...let's just use that generic term for republics, work well with a strong executive, which of course would also be helpful if it's not corrupt.

what they have now in PI are rampant corruption by the many officials, with a weaker and sometimes, corrupt president.

i'm not saying to get rid of the assembly (or Kongresso) but i think the fact that many of those fu-kers are either corrupt themselves, how you going to emphasize control? i think giving more power to a righteous (we can only pray to God) dictator not only bypass the clogged system, but also will enable filipinos in the future to have the same type of freedom of today, with the wealth that comes from change.

coordinated revolution would do massive changes, install a dictator for the fu-kin good until everything stabilizes..

i always wanted to follow the footsteps of my idol Ché

I wouldn't trust China unless they are no longer communist, and they change their attitude towards SEAsia. Right now the Philippines should only trust the Philippines.

I think we don't give two s**** about wheather or not you trust us or not. Trust is something thats earned not given so I understand your position if you feel that way. But at the same time I can't think of anything that the chinese have done to make you not trust us. With the way you and your fellow peoples on this website are saying you think it was us and not the japanese that commited atrocious acts against you guys in the past. For you not to trust us just because of the type of government we have in place is just ignorant and stupid. Its not like its going to affect your country its China's choice of governemnt so what are you so worried about matters that are never going to concern you. If you ask me your just looking for reasons to start s*** and it isn't going to work.

And would you please explain to me what are so called "attitude" towards SE asian people right now? Because I've never seen my people be anything but friendly and polite to everyone around the world.

oh please... open your eyes