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Urban Legends, the website that debunks urban legends and rumors, says that the photos are probably real:

Do They Eat Babies In China?

"...we found documentation on them at a site called Chinese-Art.com that they were created by a conceptual artist named Zhu Yu, who exhibited them at an underground art show after they were rejected as too controversial by curators of the Shanghai 2000 Bienniale. In the piece, which he called "Eating People," a serious of photographs indeed appears to show Zhu cooking and eating a human baby or fetus.

The artist himself, whose past accomplishments include an opus entitled "Canned Human Brains," has claimed in interviews that he used real aborted fetuses stolen from a medical school to create "Eating People" and that he actually cooked and ate them "for art's sake."

QUOTE (jareth_chong @ Jul 8 2005, 05:07 PM)
Aborted Babies Sold As Health Food for $10

(The following is the text of an article which originally appeared in the Hong Kong Eastern Express on April 12, 1995. For more information, contact Bruce Gilley at The Eastern Express in Hong Kong, telephone 011-852-27071111, or fax 011-852-27071122.)

No one could accuse The Chinese of being squeamish about the things they eat - monkeys' brains, owls' eyes, bears' paws and deep fried scorpions are all items on The menu. But most dishes revered as national favourites sound as harmless as boiled rice when compared to the latest pint de jour allegedly gaining favour in Shenzhen - human foetus.

Rumours that dead embryos were being used as dietary supplements started to spread early last year with reports that some doctors in Shenzhen hospitals were eating dead foetuses after carrying out abortions. The doctors allegedly defended their actions by saying the embryos were good for their skin and general health.

A trend was set and soon reports circulated that doctors in the city were promoting foetuses as a human tonic. Hospital cleaning women were seen fighting each other to take the treasured human remains home. Last month, reporters from EastWeek - a sister publication of Eastern Express - went to Shenzhen to see if the rumours could be substantiated. On March 7, a reporter entered the state-run Shenzhen Heath Centre for Women and Children feigning illness and asked a female doctor for a foetus. The doctor said the department was out of stock but to come again.

The next day the reporter returned at lunch time. The doctor eventually emerged from the operating theatre holding a fist size glass bottle stuffed with thumbsized foetuses.

She said: "There are 10 foetuses here, all aborted this morning. You can take them. We are a state hospital and don't charge anything.

"Normally, we doctors take them home to eat - all free. Since you don't look well, you can take them."

Not every state hospital is as generous with its dead embryos as the Health Centre for Women and Children. At the Shenzhen People's Hospital, for example, the reporter was in for a surprise.

When a Ms. Yang, the head nurse, was asked for foetuses, she looked anxious and asked other staff to leave. After closing the door, she asked the undercover buyer in a low voice: "Where did you (get to) know that we sell foetuses?"

The reporter answered: "A doctor friend in Hong Kong told me." "Who? What is his/her name?"

The reporter was not prepared for this line of questioning and could not come up with a name. Yang told him that foetuses were only for sale within the hospital, and were not for public purchase. She added that some staff would, however, sell the foetuses on to Hong Kong buyers.

The reporter learned that the going rate for a foetus was $10 but when the merchandise was in short supply, the price could go up to $20. But these prices are pin money compared to those set by private clinics, which are said to make a fortune selling foetuses. One chap on Bong Men Lao Street charges $300 for one foetus. The person in charge of the clinic is a man in his 60's. When he saw the ailing reporter, he offered to take an order for foetuses that had reached full-term and which, it is claimed, contain the best healing properties. When a female doctor named Yang - no relation - of Sin Hua clinic was asked whether foetuses were edible, she said emphatically: "Of course they are. They are even better than placentas.

"They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for kidneys. When I was in an army hospital in Jiangti province, I often brought foetuses home. They were pink, like little mice, with hands and feet. Normally, I buy some pork to make soup (with the foetuses added). I know they are human beings, and (eating them) feels disgusting. But at that time, it was already very popular."

A Mr. Cheng from Hong Kong claims he has been eating foetus soup for more than six months. To begin, the man, in his 40's, would make the trip to Shenzhen frequently for business and was introduced to foetuses by friends. He says he met a number of professors and doctors in government hospitals who helped him buy the foetuses. "At first, I felt uncomfortable, but doctors said the substances in foetuses could help cure my asthma. I started taking them and gradually, the asthma disappeared," Cheng said.

Now, Cheng only eats foetuses occasionally to top up his treatment, but there was a time when he made regular cross border trips with the gruesome merchandise. "Everytime [I made the trip], I carried a Thermos flask to Shenzhen and brought the foetuses back to Hong Kong to make soup. If they gave me 20 or 30 at a time, I put them in the refrigerator. I didn't have the soup every day - it depended on the supply.

"Usually, I washed the foetuses clean, and added ginger, orange peel and pork to make soup. After taking it for a while, I felt a lot better and my asthma disappeared. I used to take placenta, but it was not so helpful." When asked if he was concerned about the foetuses containing diseases, Cheng was dismissive. "I bought them from government hospitals. They would check the pregnant women before doing the operations and only sell them to me if there was no problem. Also, I always boil them over high heat which kills any bacteria." Although Cheng has overcome any squeamishness over eating foetus soup, he says he draw the line at consuming whole dead embryos. He also refrains from telling people of his grisly dietary habits.

Zou Qin, 32, a woman from Hubei with the fine skin of a someone several years younger, attributes her well preserved looks to a diet of foetuses. As a doctor at the Lun Hu Clinic, Zou has carried out abortions on several hundred patients. She believes foetuses are highly nutritious and claims to have eaten more than 100 in the past six months. She pulls out a foetus specimen before a reporter and explains the selection criteria. "People normally prefer (foetuses of) young women, and even better, the first baby and a male." She adds: "They are wasted if we don't eat them. The women who receive abortions here don't want the foetuses. Also, the foetuses are already dead [when we eat them]. We don't carry out abortions just to eat the foetuses.

"Before, my sister's children were very weak. I heard that foetuses were good for your health and started taking some to my nephews," Zou says, without remorse. "I wash them with clear water until they look transparent white and then stew them. Making soup is best." But she admits there are drawbacks to this dubious delicacy. "Foetuses are very smelly and not everybody can take the stink," she said. "You can also make meat cakes by mixing foetuses with minced meat but you have to add more ginger and chives to get rid of the smell."

Hong Kong legislator Dr. Tan Siu-tong is surprised that it could be within anyone's capability to overcome the stench of a dead foetus, even if their stomachs are lined with lead. "When all the placental tissue is dead, the smell is awful and is enough to make you feel sick. It is like having a dead mouse in the house," he said.

The foetuses allegedly eaten by the Chinese are all provided by China's extensive abortion services. Last year, doctors in the People's Hospital - the biggest hospital in Shenzhen - carried out more than 7,000 terminations, 509 on Hong Kong women. The Hong Kong Family Planning Association (FPA) estimates that 24 per cent of all abortions on Hong Kong women are performed in the dubious surroundings of a Chinese hospital. A Ms. Li from Hong Kong has had two abortions in Shenzhen but has never heard of people eating foetuses. "But I didn't want the babies, so after the abortions, I just left them with the hospital," she says. "I didn't want to look at them, and I certainly didn't want to keep them. Foetuses of two or three months are just water and blood when they come out. They are so small, how can you eat them?"

Doctors in the territory have responded with disgust and incredulity to stories of people supplementing their diets with foetuses. Many have read articles of foetal cannibalism but none has been able to verify the reports. They are treating the issue with skepticism. Dr. Margaret Kwan, a gynecologist who until two weeks ago held the post of chief executive at the FPA, says: "This is the strangest thing I have ever heard coming out of China. I just hope it is not true."

Dr. Warren Lee, president of the Hong Kong Nutrition Association, is aware of the unsavory rumours. "Eating foetuses is a kind of traditional Chinese medicine and is deeply founded in Chinese folklore. In terms of nutrition, a foetus would be a good source of protein and fats, and there are minerals in bone. But I don't know if eating foetuses is just folklore or more than that," he says. According to Lee, it is conceivable that foetuses are rich in certain hormones that are beneficial to the adult human body, but should this be the case, the foetal matter would have to be converted into an injectible form for best results, as most hormones including the hormone for diabetes, insulin - are broken down in the digestive system before they have a chance to be absorbed by the body.

But Lee suggests that anyone who eats a foetus would be seeking a remedy that is far more elusive than a hormone or mineral. "Some people may think there is also an unidentified substance or chemical that has healing powers, but there is no evidence that this is true." Lee urges people to be wary - "There are people out there who just want to make money and they will come up with all sorts of formulas or substances, which, they say will cure diseases."

As a child, Patrick Yau was fed on human placentas by his mother who worked at a local hospital, but in his current position as a psychologist with the Social Welfare Department he is both repulsed and shocked by the notion of eating foetuses. "As a Catholic, I object to abortions because I believe the foetus is a human life, and I certainly object to eating a dead baby after it has been aborted," he says. Yau concedes that in China, where the one child policy has turned abortions into an acceptable remedy to an unfortunate human blunder, people may have adopted a new outlook on life before birth, such that embryos are stripped of their status as human beings.

But Tang fails to understand how anyone anywhere can convince themselves "that they are just eating an organism when they are actually eating a dead body". "It may not be a formed human being, but when they think about it most people would think: 'Ugh! No, I can't eat that.' I don't think civilized people with an education could do that sort of thing."

Dr. Wong, a Hong Kong doctor who practices Western medicine, thinks only the ignorant would eat human foetuses. He explains that foetuses contain mucoploysaccharide, which is beneficial to the metabolism, but states that it can be found in a lot of other food - Chinese doctor Chu Ho-Ting agrees that there is no place for foetuses in medicine, and suggests that it might even be unhealthy if the pregnant woman was infected by disease.

"Most bacteria can be killed under 100 degree heat but some require 400 degrees. Some people believe eating foetuses can strengthen the immunity of the human body against diseases, but this is wrong. Although foetuses contain protein, they are not as nutritious as placenta, which contains different kinds of nutrients. But even placenta has to be taken with other Chinese herbs."
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YoungOne
pukeface.gif that man is sick!
jareth_chong
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flipcombatmedic
i've seen those pics and always thought of them fake. even today.
Suijen
HOLY $hit!! That is pretty much disgusting and borders on cannibalism. Sometimes, I wonder about my people...
starry
Shouldn't this be in Food Chat? embarassedlaugh.gif2 icon_wink.gif


Seriously, when I saw the picture I said, "Oh my god oh my god oh my god" out loud over and over again. Some people seem to think that the grosser something is, the better it is for you if you eat it. icon_confused.gif

Hard story to swallow (no pun intended icon_wink.gif ).
Үung-En
This is so wrong! icon_sad.gif
jareth_chong
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Jul 8 2005, 05:08 PM)
i've seen those pics and always thought of them fake. even today.
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I'm not that sure if they're fake. The person (i.e., "artist") in the picture said he really ate the baby for real, and even various websites dedicated to debunk urban legends can't say for sure if the pics are fake. So it's hard to say.

Why the Chinese government has not arrested the self-proclaimed artist and put a bullet in his head (and then sent the bill for the bullet to his family) is beyond me.

I think they're real.
starry
QUOTE (jareth_chong @ Jul 8 2005, 05:14 PM)
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confused.gif Weirdest post ever. It says "deleted" but it doesn't even say it's edited. embarassedlaugh.gif2
Suijen
Well, now we know what's in KFC.
aZnRiCeChiQ
QUOTE (starry @ Jul 8 2005, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE (jareth_chong @ Jul 8 2005, 05:14 PM)
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confused.gif Weirdest post ever. It says "deleted" but it doesn't even say it's edited. embarassedlaugh.gif2
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that is actually the COOLEST POST! beerchug.gif
jareth_chong
DELETED AGAIN!
YoungOne
QUOTE (starry @ Jul 9 2005, 01:16 AM)
QUOTE (jareth_chong @ Jul 8 2005, 05:14 PM)
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confused.gif Weirdest post ever. It says "deleted" but it doesn't even say it's edited. embarassedlaugh.gif2
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He is postwhoring
Suijen
It's still better than what YoungOne cooks eh doll?
flipcombatmedic
^post whoring or whore posting?
boogie brat
QUOTE (starry @ Jul 8 2005, 05:13 PM)
Shouldn't this be in Food Chat?  embarassedlaugh.gificon_wink.gif


Seriously, when I saw the picture I said, "Oh my god oh my god oh my god" out loud over and over again.  Some people seem to think that the grosser something is, the better it is for you if you eat it.  icon_confused.gif

Hard story to swallow (no pun intended icon_wink.gif ).
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Hmm, this rings bells. i think I came across this a long time ago. Problaly best not to discuss modern art issues here. Chinese artists are really raw. Like this one guy who cut himself and letting his blood fall into the running river while hanging on a rop above it.

The pictures are so disturbing....but also fascinating. Eating a person before it's fully grown. Consuming ones soul. I wonder how he could have stomached eating that? Did he see the fetus as a being that once had a personality? Does a fetus at that age qualify as a human being?
Suijen
I'm pro-choice, but for jam's sake, don't eat a fetus.
boogie brat
The question is: If you would be forced to eat a fetus. With what kind of explanations would you justify it to yourself.?
starry
QUOTE (boogie brat @ Jul 8 2005, 05:27 PM)
The question is: If you would be forced to eat a fetus. With what kind of explanations would you justify it to yourself.?
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Um....probably that I'm being FORCED to eat it! embarassedlaugh.gif2

Those are some pretty interesting ways of looking at it. Unfortunately my mind is not refined enough to understand the fine subtlety that modern art is. icon_rolleyes.gif
Suijen
QUOTE (starry @ Jul 8 2005, 03:32 PM)
Those are some pretty interesting ways of looking at it.  Unfortunately my mind is not refined enough to understand the fine subtlety that modern art is. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Modern art is strange. I can't understand any of it.
JB_Xyooj
I came across this once, I always want to believe this is fake
and will always believe this is fake, truly this is inhuman


whoever is doing this should really get shot.
jareth_chong
QUOTE (JB_Xyooj @ Jul 8 2005, 05:43 PM)
whoever is doing this should really get shot.
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Um, no. He should open a restaurant.
boogie brat
QUOTE (starry @ Jul 8 2005, 05:32 PM)
Those are some pretty interesting ways of looking at it.  Unfortunately my mind is not refined enough to understand the fine subtlety that modern art is. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE (Suijen @ Jul 8 2005, 05:39 PM)
Modern art is strange.  I can't understand any of it.
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Try following a study of it. embarassedlaugh.gif

However the photo's could be as easily be fakes. The respond and the feelings it evokes are the same, whether the pics are fake or real.
Suijen
I dunno dude. If you open a restauraunt and there's a high demand for fetuses, eventually you're going to run out of fetuses and you're going to need to start...hunting for more.
flipcombatmedic
QUOTE (Suijen @ Jul 8 2005, 05:48 PM)
I dunno dude.  If you open a restauraunt and there's a high demand for fetuses, eventually you're going to run out of fetuses and you're going to need to start...hunting for more.
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if that's the case clinics would have higher demand of services.
boogie brat
That's a really sick thought. Hunting for fetuses. Pregnant women beware.
Үung-En
QUOTE (jareth_chong @ Jul 8 2005, 10:14 PM)
Why the Chinese government has not arrested the self-proclaimed artist and put a bullet in his head (and then sent the bill for the bullet to his family) is beyond me.

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Exactly! + lol! at the bullet biggrin.gif They should've fed him to some rats, watch himself getting eaten the ____ up while dying icon_wink.gif
JB_Xyooj
Jarth if you ever open up a shop about eating dead people
seriously man, i would walk to your front door and shoot you in the head
5 to 6 time's, making sure that your body don't even twitch

but hopefully you don't do so biggrin.gif


Who the hell would want to eat dead babies
i for one can not ever bare the thought of having your own
or someone else child for breakfeast.

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caolucai
阿阿阿阿阿阿 ...太變態了..好噁心
sirgika
Jesus fu-king Christ, don't post $hit like that in here.
mndeg
exposed as fake on the internet already
its funny how even asian people believe it's true, shows how powerful western media is at foreignizing the chinese so much that their morals no longer even resembles ours (americans)

chumps.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa080601a.htm
Angeldust0164
^GOOD!

that would be really sickening if it were true pukeface.gif
chynagongju
I read that whole article. I'm not sure how those pics could be faked though...icon_confused.gif

The article seems to prove that eating fetuses is actually happening. Although apparently it's either a small minority or the people or divided type thing. There are doctors that do it, and doctors that haven't even heard of such a thing and despise it.

Gross $hit...

mmm i see. hahaha...good job mndeg!!

but yeah...what about that article? is there a source for that or no?
damahu69
Yes, how sick is he?! that's criminal!
























He forgot to use the soysauce!
KoRn
please. do the least bit research and you'll find that those were exposed as fake a long long time ago. how ironic that xenophobia runs so rampant in this forum, even to the members of its own race.

[edit] btw check mndeg's site for further details. i was about to post the link but saw that he was the first post of this page.
korean_guy90
that is some sick disturbing stuff. If that was real, i hope that guy eating burns in hell.
boogie brat
QUOTE (damahu69 @ Jul 8 2005, 07:46 PM)
Yes, how sick is he?! that's criminal!
























He forgot to use the soysauce!
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Ow man, this had me laughing out loud. How could he forget the soy sauce? embarassedlaugh.gif2
damahu69
QUOTE (KoRn @ Jul 8 2005, 07:51 PM)
please. do the least bit research and you'll find that those were exposed as fake a long long time ago. how ironic that xenophobia runs so rampant in this forum, even to the members of its own race.

[edit] btw check mndeg's site for further details. i was about to post the link but saw that he was the first post of this page.
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when you grew up drinking the whitemen's coolaid, self-loathing is a given.


btw, that picture might be a fake "art", but eating dead fetus could have happened in China somewhere by someone. but it's not something you can order out of a resturant menu. Heck not long ago I read some German guy ate a willing victim he met on internet, and some j@p guy ate a french blonde in Paris but he escaped justice by moving back to japan.
skat3r
It might be happening but it would not be wide spread and sure as hell would not be legal.
Alexa
No No, I refuse to believe it! Oh God I feel sick....for my sanity, these photos will always be false to me. I choose the blue pill dammit!

edit: Thank you mndeg, I was about to go out of my mind. I didn't want to believe it, but to tell the truth I had my doubts, but only because this world is full fo crazy and sick people.
ham_let
QUOTE (damahu69 @ Jul 8 2005, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (KoRn @ Jul 8 2005, 07:51 PM)
please. do the least bit research and you'll find that those were exposed as fake a long long time ago. how ironic that xenophobia runs so rampant in this forum, even to the members of its own race.

[edit] btw check mndeg's site for further details. i was about to post the link but saw that he was the first post of this page.
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when you grew up drinking the whitemen's coolaid, self-loathing is a given.


btw, that picture might be a fake "art", but eating dead fetus could have happened in China somewhere by someone. but it's not something you can order out of a resturant menu. Heck not long ago I read some German guy ate a willing victim he met on internet, and some j@p guy ate a french blonde in Paris but he escaped justice by moving back to japan.
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i heard about that first storytoo. =/ really disgusting how ppl can be sometimes.
LiftinxHard
The pic looks fake..
MasteroD
chinese people sure know how to fake disgusting acts
Yvonne
I don't know if the pictures are real or fake but those were just fukking scary. icon_sad.gif
PakJunSeung
im sick of hearing about this crap

all this western propoganda is sickening , you'd think dividing asia is bad enough...

which supports my idea of Chikorpan aka 3 kingdoms under 1 nation, we need to unite and regain global dominance !!!! we must join together as comrades!!!

fu-k western beauty domination , or white privaledge , ect!!!! its all about eastern beauty, we need to easternize the globe!!!!!
Eclectic Asian
for those who thought it was real......you NUBS!! embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif2

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chiuchiutrain78
Real or fake, who in the world would post this disgusting topic? that's just wrong. It leaves the Asians especially the Chinese with bad impressions. It also adds to the stereotype that they'll eat almost anything...rats, insects, scorpions....but babies, that's just plain disgusting and wrong. thumbsdown.gif
Suijen
Oh please, this isn't the first time something this gross happens in China. Remember in the early 1900s when there were reports of cannibalism? A lot of rural village folk think that drinking a purified version of kids' urine is good for the liver. I was not the least bit surprised about this fetus stuff. Come on, my dad made me eat cow brains because he said that it would make me intelligent. Animal testicles are supposedly an aphrodesiac. Is a Fetus-To-Go really that hard to imagine in China?
Titanium
Usually in times of famine, cannibalism isn't uncommon. China has had her fair share of famines throughout history but then again so has virtually every other region on earth. Medieval Europe had human organs in their apothecaries. The Japanese Ashigaru were also infamous for cannibalising felled enemies of war. These are just examples, I guess China-haters have nothing better to do than to demonize a certain group of people.
Suijen
QUOTE (Titanium @ Jul 9 2005, 01:42 PM)
Usually in times of famine, cannibalism isn't uncommon. China has had her fair share of famines throughout history but then again so has virtually every other region on earth. Medieval Europe had human organs in their apothecaries. The Japanese Ashigaru were also infamous for cannibalising felled enemies of war. These are just examples, I guess China-haters have nothing better to do than to demonize a certain group of people.
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This is less with cannibalism, more like eating gross foods.
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