QUOTE (freefallz @ Jul 14 2005, 08:04 AM)
Yep so often when mathematics is employed to find 'relationships' between varies trends, science jumps on to draw some form of feasible conclusion. But in reality many relationships defined by mathematics are strictly imaginary. They hold no physic connection in reality.
Yep. Any example of mathematical truth in the world is merely coincidental and adds/takes away nothing from the objective truth that is mathematics.
So must easier to deal with than the a posteriori nature of science for example.
It's interesting that you mentioned mathematics exist independently. Would this, be anyway supportive of the argument in the existence of God, or at least, higher order?
Well they've used it for an argument. It's a difficult one as there aren't really many similar cases that have objective reality such as mathematics to draw an analogy with.
But to postulate a God from mathematics is adding too much, too quickly. It merely sugguests an order or an organisation to things. Why there is this order is anybody's guess.
I think geometry is fabulous subject regarding logic. It's one of those topics in mathematics that reinforces the blatant implementation of logic, in comparison to algebra and calculus - where logic is less evident in the visual presentation.
That's my 1 cent.
Well it's been a friend of philosophers and logicians for centuries. It's been twisted and contorted so many ways that it's almost cliche' to use it any longer. There aren't many undoubted truths in the world but geometry holds quite a few of them, so it makes sense to use them right?
When you put it like that Jaimu, religion is just as logical as mathematics.
It would've been nice if you quoted me on the part that led you to think that way! *Checks post* I don't really see how you've got to that unless you're trying to advocate that mathematics only has existence in the empirical world through examples.
Mathematics ascribes terms and equations to things that if they are not true, the term no longer applies...thus the criterion for using the term goes unfulfilled and mathematics/geometry is none the weaker for the example.
In religion, I will use the example of God. If God being the omnipotent, omnibenevolent etc. guy that he is (
2) all of sudden, orders the destruction of an entire city of people (Violating omnibenevolence) then the term God no longer applies to him as he has failed a necessary condition.
But there is a contradiction. There can be nobody as powerful as God. So if this omnipotent being that ordered the destruction of the city did so, then there can be no original God as to have two omnipotent beings is contrary to biblical teachings and the one that you are left (he who destroyed the city) does not fit the term "God" (Fails NC Omnibenevolence).
Ok...I'm really shooting in the dark trying to guess what you were referring to.