Should the Philippines be a american state since the philippines is experiencing bancruptcy while america does not experience it.

Sabi nila mayabang ang pilipino.

And food is getting expensive in the philippines and some can't buy bread.

Would you sell your daughter away for food?

US always intended to give the Philippines their independence before WW2 because some Congressmen wanted to stop the flow of Filipino immigration. Technically they were considered American citizens like Puerto Ricans, Guam, and US Virgin Islands. Majority of these Filipinos who worked in fields and fish canneries in California and Hawaii were men and they were intermarrying the Anglo-American and white Mexican women in the early 1900's because there were not a lot of Filipinas women there except for the Filipinas women who were educated in American colleges in the midwest and the east coast. One southern congressmen thought Filipino men were a social threat to white America. If the Philippines wanted to be part of the US, it would happened a long time ago like Alaska and Hawaii.
If Filipinos really want to fix their economy, follow my ideas in my other posts
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...ndpost&p=805252
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...ndpost&p=895323
Philippines isn’t that messed up compared to other poor countries . I’ve seen real poverty in Africa, Central America, Nepal, and Bangladesh. Filipinos here shouldn’t complain. They have jeepneys to get to work, school, or to the market. Those other poorer countries don’t even have rickshaws. Young Filipino Architects also built buildings and bridges like these in Quezon City, Makati, Cebu City, and other Philippine cities:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay...?s=&forumid=295
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quezon_City
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebu
http://www.aneki.com/asia_richest.html

If America really wanted the Philippines to be independent before WW2, then why America have to colonized the Philippines with the reason to "Christianize the Filipinos?" They could have just came to the Philippines, "defeat" Spain and then leave. But why do they have to kill 200,000 to 1 million Filipinos? The reason why they keep the Philippines is because of Philippines vital location. During that time, the Philippines is the gateway to Asia. Also because America wanted to established her present in Asia.



When the Philippines was an American colony, the Filipinos at that time are not American citizen, they were more like "American nationals." Pueto Ricans, Guamanian, U.S. Virgin Islanders, American Samoan are not American citizens, they are American nationals. The people of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and the Territories of U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa are not allowed to cast their votes in the U.S. General Election, so they are not citizens of the United States, but they can go to the US mainland freely, I mean they don't have to go to a lot of troubles to travel in the mainland.




The Philippines does not want to be part of the United States, that's why we have the Philippine-American War. The United States wanted to colonized the Philippines, while the Filipinos wanted to be independent.

In the case of Alaska and Hawaii. When gold and oil was discovered in Alaska, United States found fortune, so they have to intend to keep Alaska because of its natural resources. Also, because the American feared that the Soviet might take Alaska back. Hawaii, on the other hand, is not the same as to what happened to Alaska. After World War 2, White Americans outnumbered Native-Hawaiians (10-4). There are about 100,000 native Hawaiians during the 50s. All the native-Hawaiians wanted their independence back, but the White Americans wanted Hawaii to be a U.S. State.


Philippines is a rich country, the problems why Filipinos are so poor. 1) Corruption, 2) insurgents (NPA, MILF, MNLF, ASG, Pentagon, HMP etc) 3) Metro Manila and its people, 4) Filipinos, especially the C, D, F, class need to be educated in choosing their leader. They need to realized that actors cannot lift their lives out of poverty because actors does not know how to run a country, (look at what happen to Erap, "walang kaibi-kaibigan, walang kamag-kamag-anak," but what happen?) Also, they need to realized that a popular president is not the answer to their problems.


And back to the topic:

America does not want the Philippines to be part of United States, because if this will ever happen, then you will be seeing Filipinos in the Philippines going to the U.S. mainland to find a job, and the majority Americans not gonna like this. IF the Philippines is a U.S. state, then you will be seeing a Filipino president in the White House, also you will be seeing those smoke belching jeepneys in Massachusetts Avenue.

I already know about this, bro. I should've further explained. I got several Filipino History books. Yes the US needed the Philippines as a military base to watch over their trade in Asia and so they can watch the growing Japanese Military power after they defeated the Imperial Russian Navy in the Russo-Japanese war in 1905. The US Navy/Marine Corps in the early 1900 knew they might go to war with the Imperial Japanese Navy. They formed up a startegy called the "Orange Plane" like amphibious landings, air support for infantry, and land craft vehicles during the 20's and 30's. The US and Imperial Germany almost went to war over the America's new possessions in the Pacific and the Caribbean like Hawaii, P.I., Puerto Rico, and Cuba. The Kaiser also wanted those territories. He drew up plans to invade New York but his generals advised against it because of logistics. Also, weren't the US going to give the Philippines their independence in 1942 way before Pearl Harbor happened so long as they can keep Subic Bay and Clark Airbase? I think I read about this in my Filipino history books.



I thnk I mis-wrote that when I said that. I was a bit fatigued when I was writing that. What I should have said was that "If the US wanted the P.I.to be part of the states, it would have happened a long time ago like Alaska and Hawaii."

that is a stupid (although i know it is hypothetical) question, and it is impossible because the US would never want the Philippines. Historically, they only needed us to establish their presence in Asia, when all other world powers have established colonies in the SEA, and Japan was rising. It was Philippines and Vietnam for them.

Also, the nature of all nation/states is from colonized to independence. Why do we still ask to be part of the US. That is going against the political nature of states. We have a totally different culture and history; geographically we are too far from the US.

This debate was opened long ago by one presidential candidate who used the proposition as his platform. He never won - millions of Filipinos decided on that already. We already threw them out of Subic and Clark in the early 90's, and that was a major statement by Filipinos that we want the US off our backs. so why raise the dead again?

Our present tragedy is something for us to solve within our means; being a US state should never be a choice.

this is dumb...the u.s already got what they wanted....many of the huge companies that are in the phils all lead back to the U.S..these companies own many of the rich lands...they own many of the minerals...and they got to use us for what ever plans they had for SE asia ...it was basically a fukk and run...WhaM BAMM thank you mam...the philippines seem to have a "battered wife syndrome" with the U.S..no matter how many times they fukk the $hit out of the philippines...some peeps still keep wanting them to come back. :coffee:

didnt this discussion finish a long time ago? the US doesnt want us and hell yeah we don't want them either.

i cant believe usa a huge bully has so successfully achieved hedgemonial powers that even other countries are willing to sell it to them....what is it about that that no one dares to rebel....but when it comes to other countries being hedgemonic other coutnries rebel...isnt it weird

who ever voted yes, what do u think all the bayanis died for?

(unless ur not flip)

Yes. the Philippines should be the 215th State of the USA... (i.e. after all the other nations would become states. Hahahahaha.

Correction: The people of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands and the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas are US citizens. It they move to any of the 50 states (Washington DC not sure if still not included) they can vote in national general elections. If US citizens and long time residents of the 50 states move to any of the above they cannot vote in national general elections. People of American Samoa are US nationals not citizens they need to move to US and become US citizens to vote.

[NO WAY!

do u think Americans would like to pay for our debt?

^That's a high price to pay... if the Americans would... then perhaps they'd ask for more from the Philippines.

Ask for what?, the colonizers already took a lot from us
....... maybe if the Philippines had a large amount of natural resources like oil, etc.....too bad we dont.....
.iono if there's really large natural reserves on Spratlys..

Trying to attach one's country to a considered much superior nation, or worse, desiring to be part of a highly industrialized country like the United States is a depressing sign of inferiority and hopelessness.

The Philippines is an independent nation and deserves to work its own problems out. If other countries have won the fight against poverty, I think the Philippines will be able to do the same in due time.

^we have to fight the corrupt govrenment first!

Americans did call us brothers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Brown_Brothers

our ancestors fought for our independence...
why should we give it away...

yea, millions of our fellow countrymen lost thier lives fighting the Spanish, Americans, Japanese, etc. colonizers

depends on how hungry I am,......... joke lang.

i used to be against statehood due to pride in my country but if you really think about it, if we were to join the united states we would immediately become the largest most populated state in the union and would automatically constitute 1-4th(25%) the population of the entire new united states, that is a huge chunk.

I was the person who created this topic,I think the philippines is not progressing and has many corrupt officials and I think america has none of them

yup, the united states is pretty smart..........87,857,473 ppl is a lot plus 3 mil. more filipino in the US, we'll outnumber all the minorities combined

^prolly why they didn't make us a state..cos if we are and a filipino decides to run for president...byebye bush.

or maybe it woulda been better if it was like hongkong's case. after 100 years, britain gave them back to china.

Maybe, even if 99.9% of Filipinos vote in favor of becoming a US state, we're still not sure if we will be. It seems that thwe US don't want us as a state. LOL

imagine this: we become a US state, some dumbass ambitious filipino politician runs for president, we're 84-87 million..what will happen?

Dude if we just have thinked backthen we would be on par with other rich Asian country, we have allot of resources and we had a better economy in 50's and early 60's than Korea.

I cann't believe that. A 30% of voter would like to be a vassal state of USA. This is very surprise me. Why does Filipino want to be a slave.

Could someone enlightem me?

ur not even sure if every1 who voted is pinoy

who says we'd be slaves without any political power? we'd immediately constitute a full quarter of the united states and would have more power then any "minority" group, in fact we'd probably have as much political clout as the white population eventually since the whites are so divided amongst themselves as is(liberals, conservatives etc..). Tagalog and/or Visayan would be the 2nd true national language and be taught in American schools

Nope nooope that's not true. The United States is in deeper debt than the Philippines. The only reason it seems like the United States got more money is because it has a stronger military, it's more commercialized, more investors, people respect the government more and think that they got less corruption and stuff like that. But really we're in more debt than the Philippines. I find it weird that I'm saying this but a country's debt amount does not prove how progressed it is. BTW, here's the link where y'all can find my proof about the debt thingy link.

In my opinion, we shouldn't be a state of America, instead we should go faster in processing the charter change. I'm predicting that the investors will like the results and they will start investing in the Philippines. But don't take my word for it cuz I'm just a poor high school student who struggled on getting an A in his Political Science elective class.

be an american state? why should we?

read this: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

now, do you still want to be an american state?

don't you know america will be very happy coz it will have much to exploit if we become an american state and every filipino citizen would be again treated as 2nd class citizens of this country.

and read this also:

http://www.geocities.com/rolborr/balmas.html
http://www.filipinoamericans.net/balangiga_massacre.shtml



now, do you still want to be an american state? they killed our people and they've stolen the bells from the filipino people. do you think they deserve to be respected? they're no better than the spaniards, they are even worst than the spaniards. when the spaniards are angry they don't kill the inhabitants of the whole island, the americans did. where's human rights? they kill even the women and the children. and they have stolen the bells of the people and display it as war trophy. what arrogance! and so long as the bell remains in the hands of the americans the wounds from that incident will remain open. and the united states of america will always be remembered as the #1 murderer of our people. if america is really a great nation. it must return the bell to the people. to keep it as a war trophy is nothing but a symbol of american arrogance. no wonder osama wants to destroy america and it will gain more support if america continue to act in such an arrogant manner. don't be surprise if someday the people of balangiga joins osama to destroy america. they've waited long enough patience has its limit. when the bag is already very full it might burst.

read this too: http://thefilipinomind.blogspot.com/2005/0...t-in-order.html

gusto ba ng amerika>?

Yes, we should be one of the states in US... just like Hawaii...
IF we would continue... the political crisis would grew worse...
hundreds of filipinos are poor and jobless.... it's just because of our hunger for independence that's why the one of our president says (i forgot his name) that "I'd rather have a government run like hell by the Filipinos than run like heaven by the americans..."
So by predicting... he got his wishes come true...!

yes our ancestors fought for independece... but they should have stopped fighting when the americans came... if only we didn't broke with the americans we could have been a prosperous country!
our present leaders are also corrupt! they even sell government properties! (e.g. Petron)...

NO. to pinas as a american state!!!!!

I say hell no, twice.

Never.... I remember what Quezon said..."It's better to have a chaotic Philippines run by Filipinos that a heavenly Philippines run by the Americans" (not the exact words but a sort of)... But I do't want to live in a chaotic Philippines nor in a heavenly Philippines run by the Americans.

You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't

Why do some Filipinos still want to be colonized by the Americans??? I don't get it.. For personal reasons I think not for the country....

I agree with Manuel Quezon with that.

However I say NO to charter change and NO to being a US state.

no no no.

respect your forefather's fight! say NO!

i'm surprise at the votes here, but then agian this isn't only Filipino forum. I know some Asians particularly American born do NOT concider Filipinos to be Asians wouldn't want any associations with us. by making Philippines a US state that would remove us from asia. FOOLS!

No, this coming from a guy who spent most of his life in the Philippines but went to US (Hey, its not like I wanted to go to America but I had no choice.) Anyway, life in the Philippines isn't really that bad. Sure the government may be really messed up, but the social culture makes up a lot for it and besides, politics is a renewable resource. I spent about a year here in America, and it is really really the saddest 4 months of my life (the summer I came over here). You can barely see anyone walking out in the streets, unlike the joyful busy streets you can find anywhere in the philippines. Also, if you don't have a car, you're not going anywhere. Unlike over in Philly where you can just take the jeep/motorcycle/tribike (hahaha), and you can go anywhere. My point is, philippines won't be the same if it gets added as the 52nd state of the US. Which would really never happen cause 1) America only used our natural resources and used BS excuses like religion to stay here, 2) Back then, segregation still occurs and white people don't like a huge amount of minority suddenly joining the population. 3) Filippinoes are just too stubborn.

I'm just saying cause I know some Filipinoes who have both filipino parents who doesn't even want to go to the Philippines, what they don't realize is that our country is just really awesome. I mean so what if there is poverty? Its you who make your own fortune, I mean I know a lot of poor people who didn't even do anything about it, never looked for job, never tried to work their @$$ off... but then again... some people who work their @$$ off still can't afford a friggin PS3...





YES! Yes to american colonization!!!! (joke lang!)

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If we were a US State?

Am......

Most of all if we were a US state we could be the richest in Asia.

BUT

That is not the topic here. Others said because of PRIDE we ended up with the present problem.

That's backwards. It's because we have had leaders (e.g., Marcos, Aquino, etc.) who caved in to the interests of America and her corporations as imposed through the policies of the IMF, World Bank, etc. instead of supporting our own manufacturing and other industrial sectors, that our people are still underemployed, poor, and oppressed. This is fairly obvious to most (even to those who continue to support the current state of affairs, for their own greedy purposes -- trust me, I deal with people who work on G St. NW, DC on a regular basis).

BTW, I'm not actually addressing the topic specified in the thread title (American statehood), because it is completely fanciful...