Pahawh Hmong alphabet


http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hmong.htm





Consonants


Vowels & tone indication


Numerals

Yeah, I definately don't know that. Looks quite conplex compared to English. Do you know this stuff, Kulong?

Nope. I had no idea Hmong had this writing system until today.

ALOT of hmong use the roman writing system...

just like english..

$hit i dont know nothing about hmong writing system..

go on.

naw..i'll just stick with wat we got as of now... :genius:

Writing Hmong with Roman alphabets? But wouldn't you rather write your own language with, well, your own writing system rather than an European writing system?

Oh. i always wondered what the hmong writing system looked like. good info.

It's too bad that the Hmong youths in America don't appreciate what their ancestors accomplished.

I can just imagine Shong Lue Yang () turning in his grave

It's surprsing that a Chinese person here knows more than Miaos do.

That's not really fair

I'm interested, and would like to believe, have extensive knowledge in all Asian languages.

Most of the Hmong members on AF are probably American-born and are mostly teenagers who haven't developed deep interests for their own culture yet.

yep i'll be one of them....and if we were to go back and write those...man it'll takes us years to remember them..and if u were to ask an older person..i dont think they'll care about it.....only my opinion.... :genius:

I have heard chinese-hmong people speak hmong. I could understand it just a little. It sounds like hmong but with chinese influnece in it. Would they use the same abc's.

WOW!!! I've heard about an authentic Hmong alphabet before, but I've never

seen this. Yes...I am Hmong...and shame on me for not doing research on this

type of information for my benefit as well as for the benefit of others. I'm going

to print it out and ask my parents about it, since they were fortunate enough to

obtain some education back in Laos. I hope they know what it is. For the people

who say they don't care about it....come on!!!!! What are you people talking about

you don't care??? Please don't lose knowledge of your own people while adapting

the culture of another. I'm just as guilty as anyone, so no offense to anyone.

Thanks for posting the information about the Hmong alphabet.

its easy...
just go to yahoo or google..
and type in miao...



thats where people get their infos or facts from

if i want to learn these writing i would just ask my dad for help

the hmoob came from a hunting and gathering and agricultural society... education wasn't very high on the list of things to do unless you were priviledged/"gifted"/or plain old lucky, so it's not surprising that only a small number of the hmoob people knew the writing system. good thing i've been trying to learn the writing system, so what kulong posted is familiar. i don't think a great percentage of the new generation hmoob children/adolescence have it in them to even learn the hmoob writing system that hmong educators/etc and missionaries have come up with either... kulong's right to the extent that hmoob menyuam american-born tsis tau muag interests in their culture yet... let's just hope they do somewhere along the line because it seems to me that they seem to hate their ethnic identity the more they embrace and acculturate/assimilate themselves to american and western ways.

Hmoob writing system ... I am not that familiar with the writing system. I think speaking Hmong is complicated for many teen Hmongs these days. Hmong has become their second language. Learning the original Hmong writing system will be even more challenging....

That's a shame

Wow. Never heard about this too. Thanks Kulong.

Oh btw, developing a written language is not as complicated as one would think. Especially in the modern world.

Elvish, by J.R.R. Tolkien is an example.

No one said developing a written script, especially one that uses phonetic alphabets, is difficult.

I believe the important thing here is that Hmongs have their own writing system invented by their own people and don't have to write in Roman letters invented by Caucasoids.

If you want to read more about the Hmong Writing system,
There's a book called "Mother of Writing" co-wrote by some of Shong Lue Yang's closest friends. Shong Lue Yang is half Hmong and Khmu (not Khmer).
In the book, it said that Vang Pao's army dress up in government soliders clothes and assassinate him because of the messianic movement that Shong and his writing were creating. Forgot most of the stuff. But you all should pick up that book and read it.

are there any documents or stuff written in this script?

Oh yea i heard bout that one.

Vang pao (so-call hmong leader) and his army killed Lue yang because he was becoming to strong, he was going to create his own H-W-S.

Vang didnt want him to come to power, so they killed him.


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that looks rather complicated

Korn I hope you don't look lik Marylin manson. Sorry, everytime I see that picture, I just can't stop thinking.....whacked. my opinion

I have heard of that hmong writing. My sifu used it to translate the term Winchun Kung fu.

I think learning that alphabet would be cool, but there would be barriers, time, laziness, and overcoming their dependence on a writing system that they are familiar with and used to.

peace.

wow! the letter looks easy to write.

I hope more Hmong youths will learn to write their language with their own writing system instead of roman letters.

yea but it gonna be hard for us becuz we dont have anyone who actually knows it anymore as of wat i've seen...but i could be wrong..... :genius:

I don't think it would be too difficult. After all, you know how to write Hmong in Roman letters right? The chart I provided above translates Roman letters into your Hmong writing system.

Yes learn it. You can dooo it!

EDIT: We're having a blast making sentences out of the old Vietnamese script. well, it got a little off topic.... but still.

wow! I knew there was this stuff, cause my dad always write with these stuff but I never quite understood what it meant. I only knew about our sulture, what we've been through and the culture type info, never knew about the language stuff... Neato!

Wow!! I never knew there was one. It looks complicated... My dad always wrote words like "ib, ob, peb, plaub..." I've never seen anything with characters. INTERESTING..... You learn something new everyday...

thats pretty cool, i gotta learn the hmong language and pass it on

i had heard of a hmong writing scsript that was spiritually taught to a poor illiterate hmong farmer by god or something...

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Yes, that is the script.....It's not ancient....invented in the middle of the last century only.........I seen on the net of Ancient Miao Script from China......It looks very Chinesey......If only I could find that page again....

...er ok...this is interesting.

Unrecognizable! Its hard as chinese writing system...Why go with that when the RPA version will do.

this is the original hmong writing system...if ur hmong and cant understand this system...kill urself...cuzz it is easy to learn if you r hmong...i learn all these in less than two months...

wow, eeeeasy. almost like Hiragana/Katakana in the Japanese script chart. b/c if i could master that (like i already do), i could master this. definetly not similiar to Chinese characters. now those, it's all based on picture form (like Kanji, which is originally Chinese characters).

THANKS! i'm gonna go study this! they're absolutely beautiful.

This is not the original writing system of the Hmong people. This script is a messianic script and was not embraced by the majority of Hmong people.

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really? perhaps a certain theory could possibly be correct about the origin of the Hmong then. *shrugs* oooo it just gets better and more interesting, hehehe...

Ehh..if you know RPA it's easy to learn. Actually that's the way to learn it.

Chinese writing is much harder. To memorize.

yea i heard about that form of hmong writing. there was 4 hmong writing system created in the mid 20th century. they are Khiv Tias, Pahawh, Looj Foom, and Las Tees (rpa) .

yea, Pawhawh isn't the original hmong writing system but it was one of the hmong writing system. i'm guessing that when our ancestors were in china they used chinese characters but when they migrated to laos/thailand/vietnam they had no writing system for a while then the 4 hmong writing systems were created. they weren't created at the same time (year) but they did exist at the same time for a while. i think as we migrated to america (and other countries), the Las Tees writing system became more popular because it was easier to use (not sure if Las Tees was already popular while in laos and thailand).

i think Pahawh was created around 1959-ish.
Las Tees (rpa) was started in 1956 and in 1961-ish it was actually taught to people and used.
i don't know about the other ones tho.

The Pahawh Hmong Scripts were invented before the Latin Base Scripts but it didn't caught on and many Hmong started learning the Latin Base Scripts.

I heard and seen of the language... but never used it because no one uses those symbols or characters no more... it looks complicate but after recognizing it and learning it, it'll look just like the roman characters that we use today...