I find it really offensive. It can be compared as putting a nazi swastika sig. Please tell ogumo to remove it.

The regular Red Sun in white is ok, but this is the Japanese Imperial flag and is used during the war as an Imperialistic Banner, and has been hung with the Swastika.

Well I think someone has to fill the void left by Taiwanese nationalists and bakaintokyo. Who better than ogumo?

the japanese imperial flag always make me feel dizzy when i look at it.

Weren't there people with nazi swastikas in their sigs before?

Well, I don't see any, but if there was, I think we need to ban such flags and emblems, if we don't then we must allow both the swastika and the Imperial Japanese flag.

what's the one at the bottom? i don't recognize the flag.

I am pretty sure it is the flag of the puppet state, Manchukuo. Present day Dongbei region which was under the Japanese. Henry Pu-Yi, foerm emperor and last of the Qing Dynasty was made Emperor of Manchukuo by the Japanese as a puppet ruler. Watch, The Last Emperor.

Although i might be wrong, that movie is pretty good IMO.

Funny thing was I remember this idiotic Taiwanese kid back in high school who would sport that flag on his car and the funniest thing ever was the fact that he's 1/16 Japanese and yet somehow in his delusional mind, he's a Nihonjin. I guess typical of a good number of his people, he loves being other people's lapdogs

How can he be 1/16 Japanese? People like that are sad. He's prob 100% Chinese/Taiwanese and just made that up.

Was probably Detunedradio

Another pathetic wannabe.

I'm pretty sure that kid is a fu-king anime otaku with nothing better to do but jack off to hentai all day.

This reminds me of this one Vietnamese dude from my old high school who was a huge otaku... well... he was on the wrestling team and he would wear the rising sun head band on his forehead

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Ah, funny.

whats otaku

geek

literally it means geek but in a related way it means "anime fanatic."

LOL if I were to ever meet that kid in real life, I'd probably clock him in the face lol what a poser. If there's anything I can't stand, it's when another group of people pretend to be something they're clearly not. Not to stereotype but Taiwanese people tend to suck up to Japanese the most, even Taiwanese Americans. I guess it's all because they hate Chinese (Which I really can't blame them for that) but still, sucking up and pretending to be Japanese is no excuse. Most Japanese people tend to think posers/wannabes are pathetic.

That is a pretty big stereotype. Most of the Taiwanese I've met here in the states have views pretty consistent with mainlanders on most issues, except for Taiwan and China, of course. And there is no reason to hate the "Chinese." You can hate the CCP, you can hate some idiots within the population, but hating the population itself is rather dumb, no?

And about the flag. Yeah, it's offensive but people are going to fly it. It's like the confedy flags that pop up all over the place. I've seen those things in Connecticut and even Canada. They may be offensive, but what can you do about it? Just ignore the dumbasses.

Hey, why you dogging the CCP? Actually, a lot of people dog the CCP, even the CCP itself.

Well, I think this is the wrong thread to start on criticism of the ol' CCP. I'll just say that they are quickly becoming an obstacle to China's development, IMHO.

Just making a point on how blanket hatred is ridiculous.

I concur. I went to check his profile, but the flag is still there. I wonder how long it's been there? Shame on the moderators who didn't pick this up. I think the moderators should just remove it for him. There's really NO difference between the Japanese imperial flag and the Nazi swastika image.

This belongs in the Taiwanese chat. 2
But I do agree that Taiwanese make Emperor Showa proud.

Let's all put Nazi flags as our sigs. No authority, no good forums..

lol i agree

Yeah i'm starting to worry that moderators are taking this issue too lightly. I wonder what is going on? Has he been informed, warned, or what? Its getting ridiculous how this ogumo fellow has an wartime flag of aggression in his sig. Many asians are offended by the very site of this symbol as the Jewish people are offended by the Swastika.

KoRn, Jasel, aZnRiCeChiQ: DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

But now, for the time being, I'll put a Nazi sign in my sig. I'll remove it once the moderators remove Ogumo's flag.

If you find it soo offensive then why stoop to that level? Why fly a banner that offends a people that clearly have nothing to do with this? This is a very childish way of proving your point. You are as bad as the person you accuse.

Your point is? I guess we have a right to have these sort of signatures.

Childish? We need to prove a point.

my point? you are no better then the original person you accused of being offensive. You are being hypicritical.

You're right though, apparantely it's your perogative to have that signature. However, maybe the mods should ban all of you?

I don't think my signature is doing more damage than good. I'm just making sure everyone here knows that both of these flags are derrogatory. Some people forget that fact and need a little reminder.

Have any of you guys tried pming Ben or any of the mods? This thread is kind of silly, if not.

I actually first sent a pm to ogumo to at least give him some time to change his sig. He hasn't responded yet. Also I made this thread to point out a bigger issue. He has had his sig for awhile now and many of you just ignored it. My sig and this thread is basically "re-educating" you all about the significance of that flag. Would you feel uncomfortable or even disturbed if you saw a man holding a nazi flag in public? will you call him a racist? facist? anti-semitic? To me and many members, that flag juts gives off too may negative vibes.

I don't find it offensive , if he wants the imperial flag just let him. Who cares its 2005 , not ww2.

Yeah, I'm not so sure I agree with getting his sig changed. It may be offensive to some (not to me, personally. I have no real attachments to it but I understand that others here might) but the flag certainly isn't illegal. If we start censoring flags, what's next? I'm not trying to make a "slippery slope" fallacy but I've been accused, on a number of occations, of being offensive. Some people are very sensitive over certain issues while others are not.

What are we to do with people whose signatures offend others? Like mine? In another thread I made mention of the Invisible Giant Blue Benevolent Penis deity and damn near got my head bit off. I found nothing at all offensive about offering another deity into the pantheon of gods, but some folks really took acception to it. They believed I was equating the IGBBP with Yahweh and Christ. I was doing no such thing but it offended them anyway. But someone could make the argument that my sig is offensive because, knowing me, they realize my sig is calling their religion a superstition. This may really tick them off. Do I need to remove it because certain people with strong beliefs are offended? Personally, I'm offended by certain sigs and avatars here but I figure they're not illegal so it's just my personal taste that's being offended. I decide to look past it and just read the posts.

Do we know if the user with the Imperial flag is doing this to be offensive? Is that the goal? Or does he/she simply like the design and has no personal attachment to it?

Should be removed.

If not, then under the same logic...no-one should complain about the nazi signitures. Ogumo isn't the most sensitive of chaps as it is anyway. This wasn't particularly smart.

You're right Taiwan_honbura. I am going to put up pictures of general Tojo and Adolf Hitler in my signature. It's 2005 after all, so no one cares.


Doesn't he look smashing as time passes? 2

Jewish World Review / August 6, 1998 / 14 Menachem-Av, 5758

Don Feder

Don Feder Truth about Hiroshima is incontrovertible

Today marks the 53rd anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing, yet there's still an intense -- and intensely mendacious -- debate about what transpired in Asia more than half a century ago.

The Japanese right and American left are oddly united in their determination to rewrite history to exonerate those wonderful folks who brought us Pearl Harbor and indict the United States.
Former Prime Minister Hideki Tojo
testifies during his trial at the old
War Ministry building in Tokyo in 1948.

In June, "Pride, the Fateful Moment" was the most popular movie in Japan. A glorification of fascism on par with "Triumph of the Will," it portrays Japan's wartime prime minister, Hideki Tojo, as a hero and a gentle family man. Sure, and Heinrich Himmler was a snappy dresser.

While Tojo, executed as a war criminal in 1946, was being rehabilitated, Japanese academics were disputing Iris Chang's best seller, "The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II."

"We don't deny civilians were killed," Akira Nakamura, a history professor at Dokkyo University, graciously admitted. "But it is doubtful what happened in Nanking can be called a 'holocaust' or 'massacre.'" Nakamura attributed eyewitness accounts of wholesale atrocities by Japanese troops to the Chinese "tendency to exaggerate."

In fact, more Chinese died in the first six weeks of the occupation (around 350,000) than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japanese soldiers held decapitation contests to see who could behead the most captives. Pregnant women were raped by entire military units.

And these weren't the most sickening atrocities, many of which are too horrible to recount here. Even the German in charge of the expatriate Nazi Party chapter was appalled.

Nanking was a dress rehearsal for Japan's conduct throughout World War II -- the Bataan death march, Mengele-like experiments of Unit 731 in Manchuria and the brutal treatment of POWs (one in three were killed).

Japanese who are engaged in ancestor-worship have American allies, a lot of latter-day Tokyo Roses. In 1994, multiculturalists at the Smithsonian's Air and Space Museum designed an exhibit on the end of the war in the Pacific that presented Japan as a victim of cultural imperialism and America's decision to drop the atomic bomb as racist.

This revisionism is continued in the recently published scholarly anthology, "Hiroshima's Shadow."

Nagasaki Mayor Hitoshi Motoshima declared that the atomic bombings were, like the Holocaust, a crime against humanity. To compare the annihilation of European Jewry to the fate Japanese warlords brought on their country is the most egregious moral equivalence.

Thanks to the Magic intercepts, President Harry Truman and the American high command were reading Japanese diplomatic dispatches in August 1945.

They knew the Japanese had mobilized an army of 2.5 million to defend the home islands and were determined to fight to the bitter end, replicating the battle of Okinawa (where 12,500 GIs died) on a national scale. An invasion would have led to half a million American casualties, including 100,000 deaths.

There is much airy theorizing on how Truman could have brought the war to a successful conclusion without deploying Fat Man and Little Boy. Some revisionists suggest that he could have used the A-bomb on a Pacific atoll, then sent snapshots to the imperial palace in Tokyo.

But three days after Hiroshima, a meeting of the Japanese war council was deadlocked on whether to surrender, with the three military men on the council arguing fervently for a continuation of the conflict. "Would it not be wondrous for this whole nation to be destroyed like a beautiful flower?" asked General Anami, the war minister.

It was only after the news of Nagasaki that Emperor Hirohito decided to "bear the unbearable."

Well, we could have blockaded the islands and starved the Japanese into surrendering, armchair strategists assert. And how many Allied POWs, who were being murdered at the rate of 1,000 a week, would we have lost in the process, not to mention our combatants who would have died elsewhere in Asia?

Only Americans who have been taught to automatically assign the worst motives to their own nation under all circumstances, and Japanese who are willfully blind to history, can doubt the necessity of dropping the A-bombs.

As memory fades, opportunities for revisionism abound. But the truth about Hiroshima is as incontrovertible as what happened in Nanking in 1937 and 1938.


Tojo looks sharp!

Um first Nazi has nothing to do with Japan besides the fact that they were allies. Second ... don't you think you are over reacting a bit? Have you actually read some of the topics here , you don't see people complaining about stuff , if you don't want to associate yourself with the flag , then don't put it on YOUR sig. Putting a swaztika on your signature is nothing but a moronic move , however it is more moronic for me to even reply to people like you. Sorry for wasting your time and mine.

Sorry but this isnt freakin communist , people have the right to express themselves , have u asked Oguro why he put the flag on his sig? Probably not I guess. If you want censorship so bad , why waste your time on here just move to China where you probably won't see any TI crap , or what not and you can live in peace.

Why do Taiwanese people do things out of spite?

Why are you racist against Taiwanese people?

if anything, wouldn't they be flattered?


i agree

there are a lot of things in this world that are offensive....if everything was censored then _____________________

You posted the imperial flag out os spite. I have nothing against the aborigines from Taiwan.

You guys seem to forget that there is no freedom of speech in this forum. The moderators will ban you for being a d!ck. I'm sure Ogumo knows that that's the imperislist flag of Japan. If he weren't being a d!ck, wouldn't he have chosen the current Japanese flag? If you're trying to stir something up and arouse people to anger, you are being a d!ck and a troll/flamer/etc, and should be banned as much as someone such as prismknight.

Nazi flag has nothing to do with the Japanese imperialist flag other than the fact that they both would appear to be offensive for obvious reasons. Same as when I purposely place a picture of the twin towers crushing down with a little comment on the bottom saying "sucked in". It'll be one particular expression. Whether it is accepted is just matter of mainstream perception depending on the social context.

So far it has been accepted. The moderators probably didn't think that it was offensive. I didn't know what it was until other people commented on it. But like I mentioned before, if enough people complain about it as trolling, then the moderators may decide that the flag will be illegal.

Of course, the main stream perception in this forum is of an American/western mentality. I don't see how the japanese imperial flag can upset fellow americans.

If I put an image of Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda flag in my sig, then it'll be a different story...

Freefallz, you forget that most of the people here are Asian! Also, there are many Koreans and Chinese who will find the sig offensive.