Yesterday, on July 31, 2005, moderator BATANG DAMO sent me a message:








He ban me from this forum

Then, He erase my article, titled:

RACIST POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDONESIA

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39283




And he changed the article title become:

"Peace between Chinese and Indonesians"




Interesting moderator, huh ?

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Let me clarify the problem.



My article titled :

RACISTS POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDONESIA



is about how Indonesian government/Indonesian military have masterminded anti Chinese policies for decades.

I explain in detail how Indonesian government/military do that.

I use logic and facts in the explaination.




So,

It is not flaming

Because everything is based on facts and logic !




It is not double poster

Because BATANG DAMO erase my article everytime I post it in here.






So, they are just excuses that BATANG DAMO makes up to prevent me from posting the article in here.






The question is:

Why he did that ?



I tell you why !!



First, it is obvios, he is not a Chinese.

Not a single Chinese want to see their people raped, murdered, looted by indons.

Unless, those Chinese are traitors who betray their own people for money, power and threat





Second,

By preventing me from posting the article in here, BATANG DAMO want to maintaing the racist politics against Chinese in indon.

If Chinese in indon and all over the world understand about RACIST POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDON, Chinese will put pressure on Indonesian government/military to eliminate those racist politics.

But, if Chinese don't know about the racist politics, Indonesian government/military can continue the racist politics against Chinese





Third,

BATANG DAMO and other indons afraid that more Chinese will leave indons.

Or more Chinese from all over the world will not do business with indon.




Nowadasy, indon desperately need economic building.

It is just Chinese in indon who can build indonesian economy.

If more Chinese leave indon, Indon' economy will collapse.

Indon will kill other indon to survive.

Indon will become a hell.







However,

Instead of eliminating racial prejudices + 60 anti Chinese policies to make Chinese stay in indon, indons cover up all their racist politics to Chinese.

Indons try to make their anti Chinese policies unknown by Chinese.

So, indons can keep continue racially treat Chinese in indon.







That's what BATANG DAMO and other indons are trying to do in here

They try hard to erase my article and cover up / twist all facts about racist treatments of indons to Chinese





But, you cannot cover up your racist treatments to Chinese forever, indons

Because:


1. I have 2,000 email addresses

Every month, I sent one new articles to those 2,000 email addresses

I explain to those people about racist situation in indon.

I plan to increase the number of email address become 5,000.

I collect 10 new email address every day.

Very easy, just take 5 minutes, everyday.




And I suggest those people to spread my articles to other people.

The world must know how indons racially treat Chinese in indon






2. Eventhough BATANG DAMO and other indon erase my article, I still get involved in other forum.

And, I put my articles about RACIST POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDON + other articles in here:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11648

That is a great forum.



You guys are welcome to come to that forum and discuss how indons racially treat Chinese in indon.






3. I move the article from Indonesia sub forum

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39283




to this sub forum

DEBATE/PHILOSOPHY/RELIGION

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39326





My reason is:

I found this in that sub forum:









I hope Ben keeps his promise




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Remember guys,

The only way to eliminate racial prejudices/treatments is by talking about it.

We must talk about racial prejudics/treatments.


We must expose those racists in light



Let all people pay attention to those racists !!



Then, from discussion about racial prejudices/treatments,

We go to the next level: ELIMINATING THOSE RACIAL PREJUDICES/TREATMENTS.




But, If we are not allowed to talk about the racial treatments, we will never can eliminate the racial treatments.

Talk about racial treatments is the most basic and important to eliminate racial treatments

What BATANG DAMO and other indons try stop conversation about racial treatments on Chinese in indon is the way indons try to maintain their racist treatments to Chinese in indon





How can a moderator like BATANG DAMO has hidden agenda in taking care his sub forum

I think a moderator should be fair !!!




Is he an indon ?

Is he a malay who has the same ethnicity with indon ?

Is he part of racist regime in indon?

Is he a family member of government official/military of indon ?




So, BATANG DAMO tries to suppress every conversation about racist treatment on Chinese in indon in this forum


Is that so ?

BatangDamo could care less about your politics since he's a Filipino, he's just watching the flamers and repeat offenders...

How do you know that he is a Filipino?

Because he said that?



Remember !

This is internet

Everybody can become everybody




Everybody can say that he is a Chinese or a indon or a Black or a White and so on

You cannot prove it !!



Besides,

There are many malays/indons in Philipine


It is possible that BATANG DAMO is a family member of Indonesian' government official who is assigned in Philipine

Who knows?

Everything is possible.




The most important thing is:

Check the facts and logics !!



It doesn't matter who you are

Logic and facts are the most important things !!

OMFG!!!! I know so cuz I spoke to him in our native dialect and also in tagalog


But I think you're right, I sense that BatangDamo is a member of the IIA(Indonesian Itelligence Agency) he's a covert op which he may not like people revealing his cover. I also heard he's part of the brigade trying to install a coup d'etat in East Timor...




omg...is it me, or RockHeart's knowledgeable brother is here?

Yes

You talk to BATANG DAMO in your native dialog and tagalog.




The question is:

How we know that you don't make it up ?


Or..


How we know that you are not BATANG DAMO ?



I know many moderators have many different IDs to make the forum look busy

Right?




Besides,

I am Chinese descent in Indonesia

I lived in indon for decades

I can speak native indon language + several native accents well !!

No one will know whether I am a Chinese or an indon UNLESS I say it.










First,

I think you are being stupid



Second...............

I remember that millions of Indonesian officials/military members will lose their great benefit if racist politics against Chinese are eliminated.



So.............................

It is very possible that Indonesian officials/military members and THEIR FAMILIES try to suppress every discussion about RACIST POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDON

It does make sense





Besides,

My articles are not FLAMING and DOUBLE POSTER


So..............................

BATANG DAMO has no excuses to ban me and eliminate my articles.




Do you have any reasons?

topics that encourage flaming are discouraged. and yes you did double post.

^ Bah...he did seem to have a point in his first post and I would've liked to have seen his topic but now he's just being silly.

OMG what a idiot, Batang Damo is filipino not indo.

topic was basically about how evil islam is and how evil indonesians are

and i think he made two of the same topic.

Show me the double post

Give me the address locations

Can you do that ?

Ya heard that fools! Im BatangDamo, you better behave or I'll ban y'all!

Are you being stupid ?

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39185

first two posts..

Dont test me or I will use my moderator powers!

wth? jmac you have a blog? weak.

u didnt leave a comment and not in your favourites? weak

I check the address

The first post is MY INTRODUCTION and telling people that I have many articles in INDON LANGUAGE in other forum



My second post is THE REAL TOPIC in english:

RACIST POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDONESIA




It is not double posts



BATANG DAMO erase my real topic in the second post

That is the problem !

Why don't you use your brain power first ?

Or.....

No brain ?

I thought your gripe was with indonesians, why do you have to bring filipinos in this.

^two posts in a row is double posting. you're supposed to edit your first post. it's one of the rules on AF. only place you can double post is in Off Topic. otherwise you get a warning.

3 warnings = a tempban. 3 temp bans = perm ban.

The IIA will be watching you, we got your IP address and location. You will be sent to an interrogation camp somewhere in East Timor...

dude you JUST double posted.


LOL. do you leave stuff whenever your angsty and leave you opinions on the government that NO ONE will read. weak. LOL. i had a blog on one of my old mspaint layouts though. haha.

I told you

The 2 posts in a row are different articles





My nick name: BANGSA TIONGHOA just get 1 warning, and IN THE SAME TIME: 1 temporary ban

BATANG DAMO didnt' give me 3 warning first





In the next day,

My nick name BANGSATIONGHOA has no warning. It just has PERMANENT BAN




So....................

Based on your explanation,



BATANG DAMO BROKE THE RULES in AF MANY TIMES



Right ?

Reading your article

I remember my stupid dog




Are you my dog ?

double post again!

I ate your dog, yummy

^ JMAC, this is going to be closed soon and our good friend might be leaving us (Multiple accounts will do that ) so how about we leave it? 2

if it wasn't for Jaimu-Jaimu spoiling my boring afternoon




oh sure sure now! just for you sweetie!

This sounds like oni-mx from a long time ago...

You need to put down the crack pipe. Seriously

Yeah I remember him and blanker...were such lameos...they like getting pwned all the time...

although I dont think its him since oni-mx can properly phrase his sentences...

it doesn't matter if they are two seperate articles. if you want to post in the same thread you can't do it twice in a row. either wait for someone to reply or add yo your original post.

and wtf is up with your enter key. is it like faulty? because there are so many damn spaces inbetween paragraphs. (you can't get warned for that though)

PROTEST FOR MODERATOR JASEL



Why do you close the thread in here ?

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39326

RACIST POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDON





Why do you close that thread?





If any members cannot control their emotion and use rude language, I can understand that.

Being a Chinese in indon is beyond your worst nightmare.



But.........

The attitude of certain members have nothing to do with the the thread.



By closing the thread, you help indons maintain the racist politics against Chinese in indon.

You indirectly help indons to continuously rape, murder, looted, blackmail and racially discriminate Chinese.




Without exposing racism and those indon racist in light, it is impossible to eliminate the anti Chinese racial prejudice in indon.

Discussing the racist problem is the most important step and the first step to eliminate racism problem in indon


How can we eliminate racism problem in indon if we are not allowed to discuss it ?

It is impossible !!!




Why do you close the thread, Jasel ?

You cannot stand the heat ?




If you feel UNCOMFORTABLE just by reading the articles in the thread

You can imagine how Chinese descents experience all those racist treatments in indon.

You can imagine how Chinese descents suffer for decades in indon.




Grow up !

Be a man !!!!

Jasel is a sweet young boy please dont hurt him

I understand that this forum is for young people who wanna have fun in here.

But,

We have SERIOUS FORUM.

Its purpose is to discuss SERIOUS MATTERS

Right ?




If some people cannot stand the heat in SERIOUS FORUM

Don't go to serious forum

Go to CHAT FORUM.





I know

It takes time to be a man

But...

If you don't start now, when will you become a real man ?




Be a man means you stand the heat and solve the problems

Not by avoiding the problems

Got it ?

Dude I'm black. Trust me I dont know what it's like being a Chinese in Indonesia and am not really concerned about it or that article you posted, but I closed the thread because it was just turning into another argument and I swear I've seen you make the same topic like 3 times now.


read the forum guidelines

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules

I doesn't matter who you are

It is internet

People can say that they are white, black, chinese, japanese, filipino, indons and so on............

No one can prove it !!





If you close the thread because it turn into another argument, remind those people to stick to the main topic.

But, don't close the thread.

It is the same with you wanna take care 2 people in a house, you kill the whole people in the house (100 people) to solve the problem

Use your logic !!





Yes, I made the same topic 3 times.

I check your regulation too.

The problem is: IT IS NOT DOUBLE POSTING !!

Double posting means I post the same topic many times.

The fact is: your comrade BATANG DAMO erase my topic 2 times, then this topic is the third time.

So, you cannot say it is double topic because this forum just have 1 topic, not 3.

Got the logic ?

your right on one part. Your right when u said u didnt double post, But ur definition of double posting is wrong. Double posting is when u post twice in a row in a thread. Posting a topic three times fits into the spam category.

lol, wouldnt worry bout this guy.... he trolls from discussion forums to another trying to attention to himself. probably had nothing better to do from Ann Arbor, Michigan...

haha. bunchie ^___^

actually, i think the topics started by this guy called BANGSA@TIONGHOA should not be locked since his topics do increase our awareness of racism not only in indonesia but also around the world, and there's the freedom of speech issue. i think some moderators here are way too sensitive. however, if his aim is just to stir up hatred among the asian groups, then let it be, coz i'm sure many asians should know that being civilised means violence shouldn't be used in discrimination and that revenge is not a way to the exit.

yeah what was wrong with that topic? i dont see it, it was about the racism toward chinese in indonesia and its a fact. besides,this is internet,it wont hurts anyone who reads it.
closing it and deleting it as if they were afriaded the truth would be told.

stop the flaming excuse,this is fu-king internet,so-called information center. why would mods provent people from reading articles and disccus them?

First of all, BANGSA@TIONGHOA please shut up. u are going around accusing people of things and LABELING THEM. then when they try to defend themselves you BLAST THEM by sayin



AS FOR DOUBLE POSTING. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT IS IN THE CONTENT OF YOUR POST, 2 POSTS IN A ROW IS DOUBLE POSTING

ALSO your other account was banned because

"Do not create more than one account Creating more than one account will get you instantly ban from the forum. Both your original and your new account will be ban. If you ever forget your password, contact me (Ben) " IF you do not believe me please check the forum guideline 1.07 here

as for accusing any off the moderators of this site of "want to maintaing the racist politics" thats not cool . The moderators of this site work too hard, to get rid of the racism that we find on this forum, to end up being labeled as some1 who supports or perpetuates it.

SO unless you have a RASH, SOUND, AND VALID problem with any one of the moderators here, i suggest you SHUT THE HELL up, and let us do our jobs.

I think i saw Ben posted here saying "Very well said"


Mods are only doing their job so chill out man

First of All, He Double Posted. Then he posted an offending topic in indoesian chat that would deliberately end up starting another flame war between chinese and indonesians. I suspended his posting rights for a week to cool off and closed his topic because of complaints from other AF members because they are offended. I did not Ban him, he thought that he was banned... so he made up another account to post his topic, again. I already informed Ben and the other AF Moderators about this matter and its up to Ben to ban him or not. As for his topics in Indonesian chat, i have seen so many AF memeber's threads about how the chinese were being mistreated by the Indonesians and how barbaric they are and how cruel they are and how they ravaged east timor and how inferior Indonesians and so on..... And all of these threads end up in a messy Flame wars...... I had to close the topic. I understand how some of the chinese members here in AF feel indifferently about Indonesians and some hate them. And some would argue that This guy BANGSA TIONGHOA is doing the right thing in bashing the Indonesians through his topics. Its not yet too late though, if Ben or maybe the other moderators here in AF would like to keep his topic open, then It can be unlocked again.


And this guy came from another Discussion forum over the Internet and got Banned. Why.... read his topics...

I do not speak or understand indonesian but i know some af members who are....
And as i am informed what this guy has been doing in other forums...(Follow and read the link below)


Click this link to read his posts








Dear BatangDamo

I would like to express my support for your anti-racism stand by closing the racist threads opened by bangsationghoa. Let me quote to you his postings in another forum whose link he posted here:

"Indonesia is a nation of disgusting cowards"
"I am guaranteed 100% pure Chinese, without one drop of cockroach Indonesian blood"
"Even if cockroach Indonesians were given make-up and expensive clothes, they will still be stinky and disgusting cockroach"

http://indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4099

These quotes are the red-lettered words in this link.

Bangsationghoa intended to turn AsiaFinest Forum into another racewar forum where he can express his sick attitude of calling Indonesians cockroaches. What you did prevented this and for this I thank you.

Cheers,
purnomor

This is the weakest most stupid complaint thread I've ever seen in my AF life.

You should ask yourself these questions:


1. If I were banned from this forum http://forum.satunet.2ya.com, why I ask people to come to that forum ?

People will know that I was banned in that forum

Don't you think it is strange ?




2. Why administrator who banned my account in that forum, COLLECT all my separate/independent articles about racist indons and put in one place:

http://indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4099


Don't you think it is strange ?


Remember : ALL ADMINISTRATORS/MODERATORS IN THAT FORUM ARE INDONS, NOT CHINESE. THEY ARE ATHEIST INDON


Why those indons did not eliminate all my articles disclosing all barbaric and racist acts of indons ?


In here, you erase my article 2 times.

But, in that forum, those indon moderators ON THE CONTRARY put all my politics articles about racist indons in one place?

Don't you feel strange ?


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I tell you why !!!



That forum in indon language http://forum.satunet.2ya.com is a branch forum of this:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/



The purpose of those forums are to disclose all dirty secrets of Islam.

The second purpose is to make people become atheist.



In indon forum, I disclose so many secrets of all religions, including islam

Besides, I disclose so many barbaric and racist acts of indons to Chinese who live in Indonesia.






The question is:

Why those indon moderator/administrators allow me to disclose all barbaric and racist acts of indons ?


1) I can say that I am the best writer in that forum.

No one can beat me in debate for years

Those indon moderator/administrators allow me to disclose all racist acts of indons because I disclose so many secrets of religions, mostly Islam.

That forum needs me !!



2) Last time, the administrator banned me because: they have new regulation from the main forum in English.

The instruction is: FOCUS TO DISCLOSE ALL DIRTY SECRET OF ISLAM.


The problem is: I spend my time mostly in disclosing racist/barbaric acts of indons.

I spent little time, lately, in disclosing all dirty secret of Islam.

They don't like it !

It is because my articles divert the attention of people FROM disclosing dirty secret of Islam TO disclosing racist/barbaric acts of indons.

My articles make people not focus in disclosing all dirty secret of islam.

So.......................

They banned me

With purpose: people can concentrate AGAIN in disclosing dirty secret of Islam.






That's why eventhough they banned me, they DID NOT DESTROY MY POLITICS ARTICLES.

It is because all my articles are based on facts and logics

No one can deny my articles.




Eventhough those indon moderator/administrators hate me because I disclose all their people's racist/barbaric acts, they respect me

I don't talk bul$hit !!

Those indons know me for years

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So, my question to you guys is:


If I can disclose all barbaric and racist acts of indons, and those indon moderators in http://forum.satunet.2ya.com have no problem with that, why you guys (some of you are Chinese) have problem with that ?

As long as the articles are based on facts and logics, what is the problem ?

And...........................

You guys should ask this question too



Why the MAIN forum of http://forum.satunet.2ya.com (in indon language):

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/ does not ban me ?




People in main forum(English ) and in branch forum (indon language) know each other.

I don't use any different nick name.

My nick name for years just 2:

ORACLE and BANGSA TIONGHOA



I don't use any other nick name.

I can post my article:

RACIST POLITICS AGAINST CHINESE IN INDON in main forum without any problem.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11648


And people give me good responses.





I told people that I am ORACLE WHO WAS BANNED in indon forum http://forum.satunet.2ya.com


And.................................................



The main forum doesn't ban me

The main forum doesn't erase my article




So......................................

It is clear that articles which are based on facts and logics will make people grow up and mature.

As long as those people can stand the heat.




Not like some punks in here who act childishly and erase /ban my articles/accounts.

why is BANGSA@TIONGHOA so skeptical about people's identities? don't the authentication pictures give enough evidence to prove one's self?

BANGSA@TIONGHOA, posting two times in a row under different subject matters with different contents technically counts as double posting.

A post in this case is not uniquely defined by its content but by what it is, that is, an actual POST from you, by BANGSA@TIONGHOA.

It's a good idea to edit your previous posts or wait until somebody replies.

But sometimes though discretion is shown for double posts that are made over long periods time. It's then called a 'bump'.

Wow, what a way to start my day!
lol
Anyways, first of all, we (moderators) do close topics that have the potentials to create flame wars. You would not understand how intense the conversations could be in the old days, when I was still a normal member. Flame wars can get so intense that dozens of people can get Perm bans within minutes.
So for that reason, we have to close them, it is also written in our mod guidelines, I believe.
and for this:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39185
read the last post from this thread,

Hopefully you did not post anything inflmmatory about the Indonesians, but then, as you said, this is the internet, who can prove that you said it, and who cannot?
Because Batangdamo edited you post, so I will be trusting the EXISTING EVIDENCE, which is the last post from the topic.


Now, this:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39326
Needless to say, I stand on my previous point that it is a moderator's job to prevent and close any threads that causes or is having flame wars. And in this thread, people were flaming at each other!

And you didn't even get warnings for that, because you did not deserve it. We closed your thread simply because it was having a flame war. The purpose of closing it is actually simple: We do not want any members to be banned from this. So, we closed it.

Third:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39283
Again, since all the things you wrote were either edited or deleted, I cannot comprehend what you posted on there.
But from edited post, I suppose you posted something inflammatory, because Batangdamo replaced your post with "Peace Between Chinese and Indonesians".


And one last thing, you are not suppose to post the same thread over and over, even in different chats. If you think the thread applies to two or more ethic groups/race, etc., or even if you want to spread your words around, put it in AF Lounge, so every one can give different comments, from different groups. And I think that Batangdamo edited your thread topic because he saw that same threads are in different sections, and some of them are in his sections, so he has to take actions.

I agree that there is such a thing called the First Amendment in the U.S., and each person should have the right to say whatever they want, but there are regulations. Any speeches, words, senteces that would create immient lawless actions(e.g., fighting, killing, sexually harassing, etc.)*And in this forum, that applies to causing flame wars* are not protected by the First Amendment and the speakers will be charged.

So this applies to all members, THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE OR SPEAK!

And damn, my comrades, you owe me big for this one, I just woke up and you made me to read and write that much, haha

P.S., I am going to keep this here for today, but if I see any more inflammatory post, that member is getting a warning and this thread will be close immediately. In other words, yes, I am too lazy to close it

Edited, o well, change of mind, closing it, haha, anyways, pm me about it if there is any objections.