Full Version: hmong genocide in laos
how do you feel about the genocide of the hmong/hmoob people in laos?
Perhaps you could provide further detail, history or pictures to help people who haven't heard about this incident form an opinion. 
| QUOTE (tongbao_vince @ Feb 11 2004, 10:25 PM) |
| Perhaps you could provide further detail, history or pictures to help people who haven't heard about this incident form an opinion. |
Hey, i've seen a short video about the genocide of my Hmong people in those countries mentioned by silverpak. It is a government video that my dad's friend from DC sent to him, so I don't know how many other people have seen it, and I don't even know if I'm supposed to mention anything about the tape, but ooops. My dad's friend is an ambassador that works in the white house, so I don't think he would sneak a copy to my dad without permission...Anyway, it just shows the genocide of my Hmong people in Vietnam and Laos, not Thailand, but still, it's very disturbing to know the government isn't doing anything about it. It's also sad because the majority of my Hmong people here in the U.S. are losing interest in our own culture. If the majority of my Hmong people in Laos and Vietnam are killed, then I'm afraid that within the next generation or two, all my Hmong people will have blended too deeply into the American culture.
| QUOTE (Paorell_Lo) |
| Anyway, it just shows the genocide of my Hmong people in Vietnam and Laos, not Thailand, but still, it's very disturbing to know the government isn't doing anything about it. |
Unfortunately, the Hmong people don't have a government or their own nation.
| QUOTE (Paorell_Lo) |
| It's also sad because the majority of my Hmong people here in the U.S. are losing interest in our own culture. If the majority of my Hmong people in Laos and Vietnam are killed, then I'm afraid that within the next generation or two, all my Hmong people will have blended too deeply into the American culture. |
That would be most unfortunate
I hope that doesn't happen. I was sadly disappointed when I posted the thread about the Hmong writing system and how many Hmong members just immediately dismissed it. 
| QUOTE (Kulong @ Feb 11 2004, 11:08 PM) |
| That would be most unfortunate I hope that doesn't happen. I was sadly disappointed when I posted the thread about the Hmong writing system and how many Hmong members just immediately dismissed it. |
hey Kulong...i've printed out the Hmong writing system you posted...but I'm at college and my parents are always traveling, so I haven't got the chance to ask them if they understand it...so don't be too disappointed...I'll try and learn more about that system...it's just that I've only heard of it by word-of-mouth...and sadly, because of that and my ignorance, I never tried to look it up...anyway, thanks again for posting it up.......it'll be cool if I could learn the authentic Hmong writing system instead of just knowing the Roman letter system.....
| QUOTE (Paorell_Lo @ Feb 12 2004, 12:33 AM) | ||
hey Kulong...i've printed out the Hmong writing system you posted...but I'm at college and my parents are always traveling, so I haven't got the chance to ask them if they understand it...so don't be too disappointed...I'll try and learn more about that system...it's just that I've only heard of it by word-of-mouth...and sadly, because of that and my ignorance, I never tried to look it up...anyway, thanks again for posting it up.......it'll be cool if I could learn the authentic Hmong writing system instead of just knowing the Roman letter system..... |
I'm glad you're interested in your own culture
It has always bothered me that so many people around the world have given up on their own script that their ancestors worked so hard to create and pass down and adopt Roman alphabets instead.
where did you get the news that Hmong are being killed in Vietnam right now?
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| The Lao Human Rights Council is calling upon theU.S. government, United Nations, European Union, and ASEAN nations and international human rights organizations, international communities, and international mass media agenciest and reporters to recognize that war and genocide are happening inside Laos. The Communist Lao government of the Lao People's Democratic Republic (LPDR) and the Communist Vietnamese government have been cooperating jointly to conduct the war and genocide against people in Laos since the beginning of the Post-Vietnam War Era, from 1975 to 2001. Witnesses in Laos have continued to report that the Communist Lao government and the Communist Vietnamese government have killed more than 300,000 people in Laos since the end of the Vietnam War in 1975 until today in 2001. Of this figure, His Majesty King of Laos, Sisavang Vatthana; Her Majesty the Queen, Khamphoui; and the Crown Prince Savang Vatthana as well as other members of the Royal Lao family and more than 46,000 Hmong and Lao soldiers, officials, civil servants, and their family members and associates were among those victims. In 1993, the Communist Lao government arrested, imprisoned and later on killed Mr. Vue Mai, a leader of Hmong returnees in Laos. In 1999, Communist Lao agents and authorities of the LPDR arrested and imprisoned Mr. Houa Ly and Michael Vang in Ban Houa Xay, Bokeo Province, Laos. These two victims were Hmong-American citizens. The governments of Vietnam and Russia and other foreign governments have provided military materials, bombs, missiles, guns and weapons to support the Communist Lao government of the LPDR to conduct the ethnic cleansing war and genocide against Hmong and Lao people in Laos. Consequently, there are "war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against humanity" in Laos. Witnesses in Laos have reported that there are more than five (5) Vietnamese military divisions (Vietnamese soldiers) who are directing and assisting the Communist Lao government in conducting genocide and the ethnic cleansing war against people in Laos, especially against the Hmong ethnic group. |
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| The delegation of the Lao Human Rights Council, Inc., interviewed many refugees, veterans and former CIA soldiers and a CIA pilot in the Napho Refugee Camp, Thailand, and also witnesses from Laos, on the border between Laos and Thailand in June and July 1999. These witnesses reported that the communist Lao government and communist Vietnamese government have been conducting and committing war, genocide, human rights violations, an ethnic cleansing war, and biological and chemical weapons warfare against people in Laos, especially Hmong people. The witnesses from Laos also reported that there are about 30,000 to 70,000 Vietnamese soldiers, advisors, and military technicians in Laos in 1999. The mission of the Vietnamese soldiers is to cooperate with the communist Lao government to conduct war in Laos. Witnesses in Laos appealed to the Lao Human Rights Council to report to the U.S. government and the United Nations that the war in Laos is still going on in the countryside today. |
the article is extremely suspicious. There are roughly 500,000 Hmong currently living in Vietnam but how come the Vietnamese government do not conduct any "genocide" against these people?
| QUOTE (tqt @ Feb 12 2004, 11:43 AM) |
| the article is extremely suspicious. There are roughly 500,000 Hmong currently living in Vietnam but how come the Vietnamese government do not conduct any "genocide" against these people? |
<shrugs> I just entered "hmong genocide in vietnam" and got bunch of links. I was just hoping to answer your question.
| QUOTE (Kulong @ Feb 12 2004, 12:45 PM) | ||
<shrugs> I just entered "hmong genocide in vietnam" and got bunch of links. I was just hoping to answer your question. |
"hmong genocide in Vietnam" ???
What a b.s propaganda by some journalists who know nothing about Vietnam. I advise those people to go to Vietnam and see for themselves. There are roughly 500,000 Hmong living in Vietnam right now. If there is such "genocide", there is no such Hmong living in Vietnam nowadays.
did you read the topic name??
"Hmong genocide in laos"
the hmong in vietnam is a part of vietnam now...
i mean they support comminist...
anyway back to topic...
yes i heard of genocide in laos..
in fact i seen this movie about them...
they r dying everyday.....
running....
i hope the usa do something....
"Hmong genocide in laos"
the hmong in vietnam is a part of vietnam now...
i mean they support comminist...
anyway back to topic...
yes i heard of genocide in laos..
in fact i seen this movie about them...
they r dying everyday.....
running....
i hope the usa do something....
| QUOTE (IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3 @ Feb 12 2004, 01:28 PM) |
| did you read the topic name?? "Hmong genocide in laos" the hmong in vietnam is a part of vietnam now... i mean they support comminist... anyway back to topic... yes i heard of genocide in laos.. in fact i seen this movie about them... they r dying everyday..... running.... i hope the usa do something.... |
What is the movie call I want see it
| QUOTE (IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3 @ Feb 12 2004, 01:28 PM) |
| did you read the topic name?? "Hmong genocide in laos" the hmong in vietnam is a part of vietnam now... i mean they support comminist... |
Yes but tqt asked about Hmongs being killed in Vietnam
| QUOTE (tqt) |
| where did you get the news that Hmong are being killed in Vietnam right now? |
oh my bad than..i was at skool at the time..
lag like crap..
anyway...
i dont think the hmong in vietnam is getting kill...
only laos..
oh the movie..??
i forgot...but its kinda disturbing...
dead people,guns,poor kids, ects..
try ur local hmong store
oh yea i think the reason why hmong are getting kill in laos, its becuz of the secret war..
usa+south viet+hmong Vs North Viet.
lag like crap..
anyway...
i dont think the hmong in vietnam is getting kill...
only laos..
oh the movie..??
i forgot...but its kinda disturbing...
dead people,guns,poor kids, ects..
try ur local hmong store
oh yea i think the reason why hmong are getting kill in laos, its becuz of the secret war..
usa+south viet+hmong Vs North Viet.
| QUOTE (IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3 @ Feb 13 2004, 12:55 AM) |
| oh yea i think the reason why hmong are getting kill in laos, its becuz of the secret war.. |
sad that not a lot of people, especially, americans know about the secret war... they just say "you g.o.o.ks and chinese eyed bastards go back to your country!" my reponse "i'll go back if and only if you go back to your country too :P" i mean wasn't "america" home to millions of natives americans before it got taken over by europeans?? well anywho the secret war isn't so much a secret anymore seeing as how it's a issue that's being debated during this present time in d.c. the reason why hmong people in laos are still being "hunted" and "killed" today in laos is directly linked to the secret war in laos during the vietnam war. because the hmong helped the cia to open way into north vietnam, during the vietnam war, the laotian and "maybe" even the vietnamese government want to murder and kill every last hmong presesntly still living in laos. it's aweful to see what's happening to hmong adults and children in laos.... seeing pictures of mutilated children because of the effects of yellow rain, seeing grown men protect their families with nothing more that one arm that can barely function correctly. am glad that the u.s. govt. is greatly considering bringing in more hmong refugees into the united states for a chance to live a normal and opportuned life... i mean the cia did make a promise to protect and take care of the hmong if things turned out bad anyways...
It is a very sad situation right now, but i guess some form of governmet are very cruel like lao "my opinion", there's nothing much we can do but we can spread the words of human rights. From what i know the hmong community are disscussing this problem with the American leaders.
According to the Lao Human Rights Corp, Inc.
"Witnesses in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and the Communist Vietnamese government have been committing crimes against peace and crimes against humanity" against Hmong and Lao people in Laos for the past 24 years. The "killing fields," genocide, human rights violations and ethnic cleansing war against Hmong and Lao people are still going on in the countryside in Laos. Witnesses and reliable sources in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and Communist Vietnamese government and soldiers have killed more than 300,000 people in Laos in the past 24 years."
"Witnesses in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and the Communist Vietnamese government have been committing crimes against peace and crimes against humanity" against Hmong and Lao people in Laos for the past 24 years. The "killing fields," genocide, human rights violations and ethnic cleansing war against Hmong and Lao people are still going on in the countryside in Laos. Witnesses and reliable sources in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and Communist Vietnamese government and soldiers have killed more than 300,000 people in Laos in the past 24 years."
People calm down. This is just a little group of Hmongs that are being persecuted. Most, in fact I think nearly all hmongs living in Laos are fine. This particular group of hmongs which I think started out in the 10,000, now down to the 1000 range have been fighting the current vietnamese backed goverment since the end of the Vietnam war.
Altho I do not condone what the goverment is doing to them, they sorta brought it on themselves. These people were also led to believe that Gen. Vang Pao was going back to help them. Hence they kept the fight going.
I've seen it with my own eyes, a video he made of a secret trip he took back to Laos. I'm sure some of the other hmong members have seen it too. Bottom line is he should've just told them all to quit fighting and just blend in with the Hmong population in Laos.
The Time article June 30th 2003, "Licensed to Kill", was about these people. But I think the author Andrew Perrin, massaged the story into a "genocide" and "mass extermination" of Hmong people.
Altho I do not condone what the goverment is doing to them, they sorta brought it on themselves. These people were also led to believe that Gen. Vang Pao was going back to help them. Hence they kept the fight going.
I've seen it with my own eyes, a video he made of a secret trip he took back to Laos. I'm sure some of the other hmong members have seen it too. Bottom line is he should've just told them all to quit fighting and just blend in with the Hmong population in Laos.
The Time article June 30th 2003, "Licensed to Kill", was about these people. But I think the author Andrew Perrin, massaged the story into a "genocide" and "mass extermination" of Hmong people.
| QUOTE (flyin15sec @ Mar 3 2004, 09:02 PM) |
| People calm down. This is just a little group of Hmongs that are being persecuted. Most, in fact I think nearly all hmongs living in Laos are fine. This particular group of hmongs which I think started out in the 10,000, now down to the 1000 range have been fighting the current vietnamese backed goverment since the end of the Vietnam war. Altho I do not condone what the goverment is doing to them, they sorta brought it on themselves. These people were also led to believe that Gen. Vang Pao was going back to help them. Hence they kept the fight going. I've seen it with my own eyes, a video he made of a secret trip he took back to Laos. I'm sure some of the other hmong members have seen it too. Bottom line is he should've just told them all to quit fighting and just blend in with the Hmong population in Laos. The Time article June 30th 2003, "Licensed to Kill", was about these people. But I think the author Andrew Perrin, massaged the story into a "genocide" and "mass extermination" of Hmong people. |
Yeah, don't get all excited everyone......He said there's only a small number, they'll be all dead in a few years and it'll be all over!! No more Genocide! Yay!
No.....
| QUOTE (lilasiankid @ Mar 25 2004, 06:00 PM) | ||
Yeah, don't get all excited everyone......He said there's only a small number, they'll be all dead in a few years and it'll be all over!! No more Genocide! Yay! No..... |
So what's your point? You have over 100,000 hmong in Laos, they should just blend in with them. If you willing to fight for a cause, then you should be willing to die for it too. It's not genocide if you're fighting and happen to get killed.
Again, tell me who's the dumb a$$ that kept encouraging them to fight?
| QUOTE (flyin15sec @ Mar 29 2004, 05:24 PM) | ||||
So what's your point? You have over 100,000 hmong in Laos, they should just blend in with them. If you willing to fight for a cause, then you should be willing to die for it too. It's not genocide if you're fighting and happen to get killed. Again, tell me who's the dumb a$$ that kept encouraging them to fight? |
Yeah, but it's been like 50 years, do you think the newborns still want to fight?? They don't have the chance to surrender because they will still be killed no matter what......The ways they are killed are inhumane......and the government denies these things........The Lao communist government is corrupts as hell too so the country is messed up.......There will be much bloodshed yet to come in the future as the Resistance movement for democracy takes up arms against the Gov't and Vietnamese troops are called in.......However I don't think the Little group of Hmongs could pose any threat though....they are mostly desperate.....
"It's not genocide if you're fighting and happen to get killed. "
You mean your whole family lined up against the wall, got hosed and that is not genocide! I hope someday this happens to your family and see how it feels like. Even if they believed that Vang Pao's gonna come and fight with them....they didn't engage the enemy. They know that engaging the enemy wil just give off their whereabouts and its certainly a no brainer.
You mean your whole family lined up against the wall, got hosed and that is not genocide! I hope someday this happens to your family and see how it feels like. Even if they believed that Vang Pao's gonna come and fight with them....they didn't engage the enemy. They know that engaging the enemy wil just give off their whereabouts and its certainly a no brainer.
QUOTE(silverpak @ Feb 13 2004, 08:37 PM) 
According to the Lao Human Rights Corp, Inc.
"Witnesses in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and the Communist Vietnamese government have been committing crimes against peace and crimes against humanity" against Hmong and Lao people in Laos for the past 24 years. The "killing fields," genocide, human rights violations and ethnic cleansing war against Hmong and Lao people are still going on in the countryside in Laos. Witnesses and reliable sources in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and Communist Vietnamese government and soldiers have killed more than 300,000 people in Laos in the past 24 years."
"Witnesses in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and the Communist Vietnamese government have been committing crimes against peace and crimes against humanity" against Hmong and Lao people in Laos for the past 24 years. The "killing fields," genocide, human rights violations and ethnic cleansing war against Hmong and Lao people are still going on in the countryside in Laos. Witnesses and reliable sources in Laos reported that the Communist Lao government and Communist Vietnamese government and soldiers have killed more than 300,000 people in Laos in the past 24 years."
i just wanted to say thank you to silverpak first of all. thank you for sharing that information with everyone and bringing up the topic of hmong genocide. the hmong people of laos and even the laos people are getting killed. its the genocide of the hmong people. this fact is so chilling and true that i wish it were false. sometimes, there are hmong people who will say something like, "the hmong people in laos are stupid thats why they're getting killed" or say something rude and disrespectful. those kind of hmong people are just as bad as the murderers that commit the crime. to call your own culture, your own people stupid and ignorant, you must be ignorant yourself. the hmong people and all people choose life, who are anyone to decide the life of an innocent person? i feel strongly that there should be something done about this but the american government is pratically turning a blind eye to this event, which makes me sick to my stomach, because they're too preoccupied with iraq and oil. makes me piss.
"It's not genocide if you're fighting and happen to get killed. "
what? its not genocide if you're fighting and happen to get killed? who the hell is this? so you think that the killing spree in laos is not genocide? can you honestly sit back and say that? when thousands of people are getting shot down in the forest, their houses set on fire with them in it, their daughters and wives and aunts and sisters and mothers being raped then killed, and sons and brothers and fathers and uncles and grandfathers being lined up and shot? did your family ever live through this? because if none of them has ever experinced this then you shouldn't be assuming things then. because there are people who lived through this horror and actually read what you guys write. how do you think they feel. its like you have no respect or even common sense. but sometimes, common sense isn't so common.
what? its not genocide if you're fighting and happen to get killed? who the hell is this? so you think that the killing spree in laos is not genocide? can you honestly sit back and say that? when thousands of people are getting shot down in the forest, their houses set on fire with them in it, their daughters and wives and aunts and sisters and mothers being raped then killed, and sons and brothers and fathers and uncles and grandfathers being lined up and shot? did your family ever live through this? because if none of them has ever experinced this then you shouldn't be assuming things then. because there are people who lived through this horror and actually read what you guys write. how do you think they feel. its like you have no respect or even common sense. but sometimes, common sense isn't so common.
What is happening in Laos is GENOCIDE. Research the meaning of genocide please.
QUOTE(silverpak @ Feb 11 2004, 09:55 PM)
how do you feel about the genocide of the hmong/hmoob people in laos?
how do i feel?
i feel sorry for them.. the ones in the jungle.. they are being hunted like animals..
many non-hmong's think this is fake.. i mean who is going to have so much time to make up some stupid videos?? who?!!!! Hmong people are the worst actors.. they wouldn't do this.. this is really sad.
Yeh, very good point about hmong people having no talent in acting or visual manipulations.
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