I have just been pissed off for the greatest time in my life, a new record after yesterday's incident.

The past month or two, I've been frequenting Malaysia Today (prominently linked to in my first link) and observing the comments of several there. Malaysia Today is notable because it attracts more Malay readers and commentors than Malaysiakini or Screenshots (Jeff Ooi's blog). The attitude of many Malays towards Chinese and Indians is discouraging to say the least, especially when you realise these are just the ones with internet access and the will to speak their mind. There are many more who are just lazy to do so, or don't have internet.

So, presuming the attitude of these hatemongers who have called me an enemy and irresponsible citizen and told me to hit the road to mainland China is similar to most Malays, if not milder (these are urban, middle-class, educated Malays. What do the ones in Kelantan, Terengganu, etc. think?) prevails among many Malays, I'm no longer comfortable with my status here in this country.

I may be called a citizen and told to die for my country, but in the same breath, I'm told I'm not as Malaysian as some others, even though my grandfather and father were born here, and can't imagine living anywhere else (especially my grandfather). I feel that this attitude of hate is simply intolerable - so much that in the first page I link to, I ended up swearing at the guy and satirising a patriotic song to prove my point. I just can't stand it.

To me, these comments are a betrayal of everything I learnt as a student in primary school - to co-operate, that we are all equal. I played tin-can football with my Malay and Indian friends as equals. We still invite each other to our birthday parties. We are what some might call "Bangsa Malaysia". To insinuate I am their enemy is very hurtful to me, and I'm not sure if I'm willing to put up with this attitude any longer. How about you?

I think your story happen everywhere in the world.

Here in US, if your opinion is not agreeable with the majority, someone will tell you to f**k yourself and go back to where ever your ancestor came from. Some times, bodily harm may happen to you.

So just take it easy when you want to give your liberal opinion.

After reading all the post and comments in Malaysian Today it's makes me think back of why I don't want to stay there for life.

It's a shame that most Malays in Malaysia have this 'very nice prespective POV' :P.

Yes I admit I was born there. And yes I'm a non-bumi but in my view I just don't care what race I was born. I just consider myself as a human being that will work hard to earn my keep in this world.

As for the post by those Malays in Malaysian Today are very offensive. Just reading them just make me want to hurt the author them badly. But enough about them.

To answer your question about your doubt if Malaysia is really your home.
The truth is home is where everyone accepts you. Home is a place where you can feel comfortable. Where you're not subjected to hate or any discrimination. It can be anywhere in any country so long as you feel comfortable living there.

Forget about partriotism and forget about nationalism.
Those things only work in the 1900's.
This is the 22nd century.
As long as you work hard, earn your keep, have decipline and a good character then you're a good person and you'll get the respect you deserve.

I can understand that there are some things in Malaysia that makes you bonded by it.
Family, friends, memories in school and etc. But these memories are just not enough to keep your happiness alive as long as others treat you differently( Well for you maybe it is but I just don't know).
Perhaps it's fear of moving into new environment or perhaps that Malaysia is the only best place that you've only been to that keeps you there.

The only thing you need to ask yourself is you're happy living where you are now?
If you're not then I hate to agree with this statement -> " If you are not as fortunate and are unhappy about it, wanting everything under the Sun ie, power, wealth, bigger opportunities, then I suggest you either move to Disneyland or to the land of your forefathers ". You can migrate but just don't take this degrading statement seriously. There's a level of suffering a human can tolerate and why should you be subjugated to that level? You do not need to put up with their remarks even though you know you're working very hard not only for your sake but for them.

Should you get slapped back for doing a good job?
Should you get blamed and taunted even though you didn't do a bad deed?
Shoud you get walked on like some dirt on the sidewalk?

The answers are no. You're human and you'll expect to be treated like one.
It's all built into our nature.
We have the intellegence that's build in our minds to be appreciated by others.

If the society around you doesn't see you as one of them then its best that you search for a place that accepts you as whom you are.
If you cannot take in their treatment againts you please do not stress yourself by tolerating it. You'll end up unhappy,sad and tired. You might also end up having emotional stress and mental disorders.

Do not torture yourself by binding yourself to their remarks such as being a traitor to your country. It might be the trick of theirs (the one's you're fed up with) for you to stay so they can leech out your resourcefulness untill you're nothing but and old sack. Have you notice boroi_72's post?

He's a non-bumi.
His father has to work hard for his tietry education.
He decided to study locally to save the nations resources while his friends go overseas.
He graduates and has to work hard to pay 10% extra for his house.
He undestood the social contracts and still decided to go on with it.

And those malays in the forum treated him like a diamond in their replies.
Another gold from the sky to exploit.
Another persons blood to suck.
Just because he decides to study locally and save the nations resources.

Heh I just like to comment on this reply to Boroi72

"Boroi72, I read your piece with much affection and truly feel for you and your father. Many of us are grateful to your loyalty to the country that we both profess to be OURS."
Ours? meaning Malay,Chinese and Indians?
Or just Malays?


"Please do not feel hurt by what was said by Hang Tuah as I am sure it wasn't directed at you. I am sure it was directed at the other ungrateful souls who think the Nation owes them her gratitude just because they were born here."

Me think the nation owes me gratitude?
No I have my own financial support studying overseas that is hard earned by my parents thank you.
You can have the coffers that the goverment gets from taxes Thank you.
I would gladly not touch them.Since you make alot of noise about it.
Maybe its you who're the one who's after the money.


"Besides you Boroi, there are other Malays out there who share the same fate. Perhaps our leaders betrayed us for thier cronies just as the Chinese leaders betrayed you for their own purpose. What I am trying to say is, some of them are saying that they worked their butss off to be where they are today when in actual fact they exist at the behest of UMNO leaders themselves."


"This hostility is not aimed at you, who can converse well in Bahasa Melayu and deserve the right to call this country your home, but it is aimed at those commies who have no love for the country,"


This person only judges that those who can speak Bahasa Melayu well are deserved to call Malaysians. And what about those non- Bumi's from older generations?
They can't speak Bahasa Melayu well but that doesn't mean that they're not Malaysians too. Such a degrading statement.



"who enjoy its peace and prosperity but are ready to migrate and live like rats in places "

Malaysians all over the world who have migrated!
We are not WANTED!
So there's no need to come back. 2
I'm sure this guy can take care of the country all by himself.

Us enjoy the peace and prosperity?
We work and pay our taxes to the goverment which you have spent you idiot.

Ooo calling us rats eh?
Well the only rat I see is you who suck the tax coffers from hard working people


"where there are no Chinese schools, food, tokong, just out of spite for our leaders and out of sheer refusal to recognize and realize who the real Masters are in this land."


No Chinese schools?
They do have chinese schools else where.
You just don't know it.
Wait wait you don't like chinese schools set up in YOUR country?
That's already denying human rights @$$ hole.

I'm sure other countries have better human rights than Malaysia.

'Masters' of the land?
Yeah right. Get real.
Dude grow up.
His stupidity never cease to amaze me.


link of post:
http://www.malaysia-today.net/Blog-e/2005/...-issue-umno.htm


Note to all other Bumiputeras who thinks like this:


Yes if you don't want us Chinese and Indians here no sweat just say it.
We shall move and you can just manage the country all by yourselves with no help.
We shall go where people will want us and respect us.
But if your country(well since you all declare yourselves 'Masters' of the land) falls down into pieces then do not blame us.




Great! this kind of people really gets me in a bad mood.

oh gosh..i didnt know it is up to this serious

come on you guys..im a malay..i have nothing against anybody..i dont read malay newspapers either..and i dont want to think so closemindedly either...

You Rock Girl!!!!!

Well it's just bad that most of them don't share your point of views.
You're a smart individual and I like it.
Somehow judging by the reply post of that guy I think he has a traditional type of thinking.
(probably an old geezer or some sort who thinks he's so smart to even judge someone's age. Picking on poor johnleemk).

The years have flown pass in Malaysia and its time for a change.
What is done is done and let the past be past.
Throw all hatreds and prejudices away.
Throw all bad habits that you've learned and keep those that are good.
Only then shall we move foward.
But is up to the individual to choose by either being blinded by the past or accept the present and adapt to the change for the future.
Only man can make his own destiny.
The only thing that is stopping him is choosing the path that he must follow.
For there's great responsibility in those choices he made.
If he should choose wrongly then he shall suffer but as long as his will is strong his suffering can be a lesson learned and prepare him for more hardships that will come.
The only thing that makes man afraid is these hardships for he knows that there will be pain.
But let this be known that in life we wouldn't know what happiness is until there's suffering.
It's an experience that all men must follow only then shall he grow to his full potiential.

So which road will you take?

The road that has lots of obsticles, hardships and suffering but in the end there is happiness?

OR

The road that has no obsticles at all but at the end of it leads to a great dark chasm where there he shall get stranded and never move foward.

Choose carefully.

yeah and some people here are just full of anger when they let out their thoughts...

i mean one single spark can cause the whole house to burn down..and lets not let the spark starts at all..

people when they are mad they tend to make everything sounds so major..like its the biggest and the only thing there is to talk about..there's so many topics here that talks about racism in malaysia but i have never had any problems with non malay people all my life...my family never had any problems before either..but the few people who are complaining about the racism in malaysia is everywhere here in this forum..

that's a shame dont u think..it kind of shows the world...especially (this is internet after all)..to other people from other countries who look high on us on how peaceful malaysia is with the multiracial society..and suddenly come to this forum and read all the blabbering about racism!!!

maybe we should have much better things to do and to say other than just whining all the time...it's time for everyone to have a better mind..to try to change this..

I wish I knew how to end this.
Even I do not have all of the answers.

But perhaps that there are small things that which you can do even though it isn't going to do alot of difference and as long as you're happy with it then continue on and don't stop.

I bet you do have friends from different races. Make sure you stay as friends for as long as you want to be friends. Do not let the other person of a different skin color doubt you for judging him of his race.

And if the person did something that is offends the custom or set of values of that particular race it is best to tell that person that he/she is wrong and not to do it again.
Some people are just ignorant or do not know.
Rather than staying silent and let the person repeat the same mistakes again and again until someone
get's annoyed it's better to tell that this is wrong you should not do this.
Malaysians are typically staying quite for things that some other race did wrong.
Gets them annoyed. Gets them offended but did they give some advice to that person?
No, most of them just bottle it up and let the anger seep inside them.
Or thinking that "Nah leave it up to the parents, guardian or etc etc to teach them,".
But sometimes even the peers do not know and the result is constand bickering of rudeness.

And lastly if one is in a new environment. School, collage, university and etc, etc it's better that one mix around with people rather than mixing with one particular race. Sometimes language can be a barrier but if you make an effort to learn then there's nothing that one can't talk about. Silence sometimes is bad so let's have noise shall we?

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yeah..we should..someone should start a topic that is really fun..more like a chat kind of stuf...and eat lots of ice creams!!!

yahh.. gua sokong lu..

Wow thats very arrogant of him to claim that Chinese are masters of the land.

The british sure did screw over the Malays when they let all those chinese into your country.

i never felt screwed that those british let the chinese entered tanah melayu!!!


see..this is what happens when we keep talking about the not so very good bull$hit in the internet..and the people around u just give a more bad impression about stuff!!!


lets start a new better happier topic...

PEACE UPON MALAYSIAN...PEACE!!

Hmm
Thats another way of looking at it.

They can say anything they want to say
Try to bring me down
But I will not allow
Anyone to succeed
Hanging clouds over me
And they can try hard to make me feel
That I don't matter at all
But I refuse to falter
In what I believe
Or lose faith in my dreams


'Cause there's a light in me
That shines brightly
They can try
But they can't take that away from me
From me

:singing:

Uh what song is that?

~_^

Actually he's claiming that Malays are masters of the land.
Not Chinese.
But I doubt the Malays are real natives in Malaysia.

ADAM

I'm a malay but I think I understand the feelings of being discriminated.I live in tokyo right now,doing my diploma with the shcolarship money that I received from the government, which is truthfully come from the taxpayers who comes from all races such as chinese, indian, singh, kadazan, jakun etc.

I feel very ashamed to think that they are still people among my fellow malays who have the ULTRA ideologies,descriminating the status of other non-bumi Malaysians.But believe me,not all malays, or more precisely, only a handful of malays think like that.

I would like thank all the non-bumi Malaysians, who have tolerated to let us malays to have many priveleges compared to the others. I hate the Malaysian chinese who wants to monopoly all the riches, business opportunities, but I also hate the malays who think he is superior then the other races and he is the lord of Malaysia. There are other kinds of racist, facsist, and quite a lot of -ist people that I hate. These people are the poison to our peace. All human is equal. Even for the Datuks or the Tan Sris, Kings and queens, poor or rich, black, yellow, 'sawo matang', or red.Yes. Our blood is still the same color, red.

Here in Japan, I am well treated and respected by most people. Some of them are very impressed with me because I am a trilangual. But I just say to them that it's a common thing in Malaysia because they are many chinese who is fluent in mandarin, english, and malay.There also a lot of indian who is fluent in malay, tamil, and english, but there are only a few malays who is fluent in malay, english and hindustan. Well, this is quite understandable because there aren't many people who is obsessed enough with hindustan films to learn the language.

But still, there are some of them(the japanese), who discriminate me because I am a Gaikokujin(immigrant).These lots watch me with suspicious eyes. I don't think there is one country you can migrate to that don't have discrimination problems at all. And I think Malaysia is a country with one of the lowest rate of discrimination in the world. Even in japan, where the population is almost 100 percent japanese have serious sexism and seniority problem.

What I want to point out is, we should be thankful of what we have,because there is no guarantee the replacement is better. I am proud being a Malaysian.

Thanks for sharing melayu baru. I'd love to visit Japan one day.

melayu baru.. Tokyo Motorshow 2005 will be coming soon.. Are you going?? ARGHHH.. I wish I could go..

The biggest source of govt revenue are oil, gas, govt corporations and foreign investors.

Do you know that Badawi ordered JPA to give 100 extra scholarships to chinese students to go to Australia and US. Badawi is walking his words.

In my opinion, the gov. should made it a choice for the Malays to contribute a part of their taxes to fund MARA, then we leave JPA to full meritocracy and MARA may select the best Bumi students on merit, then chinese dun have to complain that their taxes are being used. The Malays are the biggest contricbutor to Malaysia's GDP eventhough their slice of the wealth is not big, meaning Malays contribute quite a significant portion to gov income through taxes (and workforce) and the Malay consumers are the major driving force of Malaysia's domestic economy.I am sure MARA would reap quite a load of money if this is done and everyone would be happy.

But it seems most non-malays under scholarsips dun return to Malaysia even when binded to JPA(by running away and changing citizenship), dun u think its a loss of money too, i dun blame them, but will this attitude change even if we give more scholarships to the Chinese?My 2 sen.

I am not too sure if there are many non-Malays under the JPA scholarship who actually runs away and changes their citizenship after they completed their course even if they are binded to JPA.

First and foremost, if the JPA actually tracks down their students (which they actually should have), and actually makes the move to sue them if there is a breach of contract, then I do not think these things would happen. I do not know how efficient the department is but if there are such things happening, this proves that there are loopholes in the department (Eg. not enough supervision of the scholars).

How about the many cases where those who are not worthy to be awarded a JPA scholarship keeps repeating their semester? I think many have heard that. There goes a part of the government revenue.

In my opinion, those worthy of these scholarships are those who did excellent in their academics, has leadership qualities and contributes to the society (Eg clubs and activities), in need of financial aid, shows patriotism and has a pleasant character which can be judged after their interview and personality tests. *with NO discrimination

Kudos to melayu_baru who is dares to voice out.

I know of a Malay friend who feels the same. Also she voiced out that due to the many priviledges given to Bumiputeras, she feels uncompetitive. This is because if she does succeed, many would think it is because of her being a Malay. Oh well.

Editted: And also due to her character, being outspoken and equal, many Malays have called her names (because she was just pointing out flaws in the system).

I agree that the JPA should be 100% open to open competition to all Malaysians, MARA can continue to give preferential treatment for the bumis for a while longer. In the long run, the bumiputera policy is doing the Malays a disservice. A tongkat that further weakens the muscles it was support to help rehabilitate in the first place. I'm speaking as a rational, patriotic Malaysian of Malay ethnicity.

I love rational people! :*

Did they fight for the Communist Party of Malaya ?

Haha. This reminded me when I was back in Std 1, 7 years of age. My first friend and best friend is a Malay. She loves Jet Li. HAHA. One fine day, I decided to share my sandwich with her, simply because she is my friend. Little did I know that ham = pork... and that Muslims cannot eat pork! She did not accept my offer and I told my mom about it. She said to me "No no! You cannot offer ham to her. If you want to share something, give her something already packed." I quickly apologised. Hehe. But it did not ruin our friendship. Once in a while my mom still ask me about her.

Ahh. Child-like innocence. How I wish everyone was like that. OK! Enough of my grandmother story.

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But anyway, we are already in the new century and let bygones be bygones and judge a human being for what he or she is today, not by what his or her ancestors had done. What makes you think that because our forefathers were members of the Communist Party of Malaya will make us be the same?

If my father was a thief that doesn't mean that I am a thief.

If my mother was a drug abuser that doesn't mean I am a drug abuser.

Forgiveness is the greatest virtue.

Please plant it inside your heart.

Uh...no. My grandparents actually got married on August 31st, 1957...my father was conceived on the night of our independence.

Really?! -

Another thing to say J, is that AF is essentially a forum just for seronok-seronok, despite the sections for Serious Chats. But I want you to know, if I were there with you in person when you get dissed for not being as Malaysian as some others , I'll be standing with you shoulder to shoulder. Sometimes it takes a Malay to get through to a fellow Malay.

it's only a minority of malays who are exploiting benefits and such.... ;/ it's like saying chinese don't exploit the piracy issue? ;/

i never once saw m'sia as a hell hole...sure...they are problems here and there, but which country doesn't? relatively speaking, m'sia is a much better country than most! where in the world can you go out late at night and eat good food? where in the world can you shop like mad and still able to bargain? where in the world can you live a comfortable life with a relatively low monthly income? please don't say "comfortable" as in having a benz, two latest mobile phones, a bungalow, etc...that's luxury. and where in the world can you find a government that's kind enough to let every race to have relative equal opportunity?

you may say s'pore. think through again and put everything into context...

i have a friend who has been in the UK as a lawyer for...more than 5yrs. and he's returning to m'sia despite all the sh!tty problems you guys and others say. why? simply 'cuz he wisely realise the benefits of being at "home" being in a country that's doesn't have a cultural difference, where economic is not as bad as other developing countries, where social life is warmer and not cold.

i met just a new m'sian friend (from sibu) the other day...and he has been abroad ever since he completed his degree in the UK. his reason? same as most people, utter detest of the m'sian gov and malays. then we got to a point that we agree, change is needed. isn't badawi doing it? sure...mahathir killed alotta people's mind 'cuz of his economic drive, but isn't badawi bringing socialism into m'sia? a balance is coming, and it's developing.

he continued to said that his friends went back for few years to work, and came right back out to overseas world, 'cuz they couldn't change what was there. then my Q is...why can't overseas m'sians change m'sia from outside? has anyone notice the rise of foreigners working in m'sia? why don't they employ overseas m'sians? why are foreigners more suiting than us? what is their benefit?

it's stupid to think that your own country is in a deepsh!t when in fact both sides of the coin isn't maturely discussed.

you can kick my @$$ i don't give a fuq 'cuz i'l be back in m'sia after over 10yrs being overseas. so there!

hahahaha, rite on kjd
never expected u to be here, but welcome to the forums man

kjd:
I'm thinking in the long term. Everything is fine and dandy now, but in a few decades time, I fear for the state of our country in general. The problems will creep in slowly, but creep in they will. The constantly harped-on social contract is destroying what little good will is left between the races, and this is accelerated by the vernacular school system. Corruption pervades every nook and cranny of the government, and is worsened by the government's lack of accountability to the people, who don't even vote for their municipal councillors. I'd say this is a recipe for disaster.

It's like the frog being boiled. He's relaxing in the steaming pot of water, but it gets hotter, and hotter, until...he boils. If it suddenly heated up, he'd jump out, much like how we would wake up if corruption and racism suddenly worsened. Instead, the country just steadily hums along, until one day...it explodes. Nobody is driving this explosion; the man who set it in motion, Mahathir, furiously tried to back-pedal in the waning years of his premiership, and is now powerless to do much about it. Unless there is a course correction, I believe Malaysia is headed for disaster in, oh, say, fifty years?

I don't buy for a second that Malaysia is headed for disaster as long as there are people willing to fight for it. kjd, you, me. Have faith in Malaysians. I am all with kjd on this. Hujan emas di negeri orang, lebih baik hujan batu di negeri sendiri. Malaysia is not without problems, but we have it better than most. Still if people want to migrate, no one can stop them. Today is the age of globalisation. To quote a neighbouring politician , are we quitters or are we stayers? Like the saying goes, pantang maut sebelum ajal. We have been colonised for about 450 years, we've hardly been independent for 50 years. The problems today are growing pains we're going thorugh. Malaysia may have got some things wrong, but we have done many things right too. So chin up!

The problem is that many of those things we did right were just post-independence. (And even so, I can think of a number of mistakes...then again, hindsight is 20/20.) In recent years, I've found our policies are making us jalan ke belakang instead of ke depan. What for are we sending a Malaysian into space? Why are we targeting a Malaysian on the moon by 2020? The USSR couldn't do that, and even China hasn't dared set such a goal. Why is Malaysia trying to waste its money on such trivial affairs?

From what I've seen, I don't doubt that there is hope for Malaysia. For the same reason, however, I believe that unless there is a course correction, if we steer down the route we are currently headed, we will end up in a very icky mess. As I believe I've said, racial polarisation is very blatant, especially in secondary school. Even in form three, most Chinese-educated friends of mine shun Indians and Malays. Most of the intelligent Malays living nearby have gone off to other schools or a junior Malay college. This division directly translates to a whole host of problems when the students mature.

I have a friend who isn't very much into discussing these things, but he once said a very wise thing that resonated with me - in spite of all our opportunities, we have not made good on any of them. We are fortunate not to live in the ring of fire. We are fortunate not to have torn each other apart (as almost happened on May 13). We are fortunate our economy didn't collapse in 97/98. But even so, much has been squandered.

The current situation is untenable and unsustainable. Unless Pak Lah does something quick, things will only continue going downhill, picking up speed. Rafidah's failure to quit despite her obvious cronyism and nepotism in the AP issue is one example. It's common knowledge perhaps 80 to 95% of the cabinet/senior government officials are corrupt, and Pak Lah has only managed to nail one or two big fish.

These big fish are milking the economy, fattening themselves off our tax ringgit. This is undoubtedly an unsustainable situation, especially in a slow-growing economy. In the heyday of development, this might have worked, but now? I don't think so. Already, class F contractors are feeling the crunch of no more megaprojects to work on and are demanding "work" from the government. All these people are living of our largess. Not the government's, but our's. It is our ringgit financing their shenanigans and allowing them to live their jetsetting lifestyles.

I believe that there is still a chance to turn this around, but every day that slips by is one less day we have until the Malaysian bubble bursts. The opposition is for the most part ineffective - while UMNO trumpets ketuanan Melayu, PAS is all about ketuanan Islam and theocracy. Keadilan is tagging along with PAS, and Anwar himself is an unknown quantity. The DAP is well-meaning, but their leadership is ineffective and they have a lot of trouble relating to the grassroots, not to mention the fact that they are mostly Chinese-based. So what can we do?

It's clear the government will not clean things up by itself. Even if it tries, it needs to be given a push to get going. I'm not sure what can be done - forming a new party? All I do know is that Malaysia is in a heck of a lot of trouble, but there remains a chance for change. The only question is - can we still grab that chance?

Yup. I believe again that our goals are incorrect. It's all about Malaysia pride (or maybe the PM's pride to show that we have such great infrastructures which are better than some of the developed countries). Why build KLCC which has a lot of office space vacant? Why build KLIA when the airport is isn't even full most of the time? Yes. Maybe the Sepang is good for attracting foreign tourists and to encourage Motor Sport. Putrajaya is beautiful city to live in. But sometimes, you think. With most of the basic infrastructures not in perfect condition.. do you think the citizen need to spend more money on maintaining the beautiful first class facilities?

DAMN PRIDE.

I rather stay in a corruption and crime free country with well mantained toilets than one with the KLCC and none of the above.

Buildings.. yes they do stimulate economic growth as a whole. But with these crony politicians.. Close tender.. You can see who it is one benefiting from it (not me or you).

DAMN POLITICIANS.

Friends, please vote wisely in 2009. I am already forcing my friends to vote (Because I realised that a lot of them didn't vote in 2004 when they turned 21). Please stop being ignorant and have that "tidak apa" or "whatever-lah" attitude.

God bless Malaysia.

Ya everybody...

This is the 1st time i'm been in here. I've read your posts it made me very sad. We used to have such good relations between the races, be it Malay, Chinese or Indian. In the 70's & early 80's all our malay school friends are not particular about being seen with us Chinese & Indians. We minum kopi in chinese coffee shops and visit each others houses very often. It was not compulsory for them to wear the baju kurung to school, even if they wanted, it could only be worn on Fridays. But peer pressure(from fanatics) and time made things change. The Malays are no longer willing to be seen in chinese coffee shops for fear of being labled as traitors. They rather 'force' themselves into baju kurungs & tudungs than face questions from their 'peers' regarding their faith !

Some, mind u all, ONLY some are so power crazy that they want more bumi privilages and they also want to "halau" chinese and indian from Malaysia. But aren't these privilages supposed to help out the poor ? I don't see any changes for the kampung ppl who are the real hardcore poor ! These privilages only made the town rich malays more richer and power crazy !!!!

I am not a good writer or orater so i'm not sure u all get my point. But what i would like to say is "We manage to live in peace for so long, let it continue ! We should be thankful that Malaysia don't have any natural disasters. What's the use of fighting for $$ and power if 1 hurricane or 1 earthquake can kill all of us ?

Caramel, unfortunately, I will not be able to vote in 2009. I do agree it is important to vote, however, but for a different reason. I think the DAP is the only quasi-capable opposition party out there. PAS keeps harping on an Islamic state, and PKR doesn't seem to mind. Therefore, I suggest trying out an alternative - casting spoilt votes. If you read the last few paragraphs of the link I sent you, you'll see why. It sends a message without directly harming anyone. Don't need to give PAS strength in claiming it has support for an Islamic state, tell both them and UMNO to bugger off with a spoilt vote!

Correction

Only Melaka was under foreign rule that long.

Most Malaysian states were under British rule for only a few decades.

^OK lah OK lah, malas lah nak jawab!! 2
I've been spending waaayyy too much time on AF these past couple of days. :coffee:

sokong!!!!

Yes DAP is Chinese based so no Malays will vote it. After Kit Siang and Karpal gone, bye bye DAP.After Nik Aziz go to heaven, also bye bye PAS.And maybe Anwar rejoin UMNO, then bye bye KeADILan, then hello BN to the end.
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I think we still can make it as long we have the parlaiment and our election. Even our MPs in the parliamnet have been grilling the gomen for more accountablity and to give the parliament more power. I think to give new life to BN gomen, get rid of the ministers from the Mahathir era.

It's such a pity that after LKS and KS, there wouldn't be any strong enough opposition leaders to fight for M'sia. M'sia would definitely benefit with some (hopefully 1/4 or more) good and reputable opposition leaders in the parliament. But I still doubt the fact that they are able to govern M'sia.

It is true that the ministers from the Mahathir era should be gotten rid of. But I do not know about the upcoming ministers. Honestly, I do not know what will happen to M'sia. I can't think of any good upcoming leaders from the current ruling party and opposition parties. Maybe I lack knowledge.

caramel, neither do I, and I'm more active in these things. (I frequent blogs and news sites belonging to very active members of the DAP and PKR.) As far as I'm concerned, neither the government nor the opposition are very much interested in change. They don't dare bring up new leaders because they fear being challenged. That's why like Mahathir, Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh have stuck around for so long. Anwar hasn't done anything to defuse his God-like image among his supporters either. (Reading their comments when you criticise him will make you cringe.)

Until these parties are willing to be more tolerant of change and allow new leaders to rise and give their own ideas, nothing will change. But that is only momentarily. After a while, change will strike like a tidal wave nobody is prepared for, and because of our own ignorance and unwillingness to accept change, we will have change forced on us.

John F. Kennedy once said that those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. I fear that adage is very much true when it comes to Malaysia. It will take a complete removal of every tainted high-ranking official in the government (peaceful revolution) for meaningful change in policy and corruption to come about. However, these are the men who control the votes of the UMNO, MCA, MIC and Gerakan delegates. If you toss them out, you'll get tossed out, preventing peaceful change. Therefore, some day, it might come to pass that we will have to toss them out ourselves, using violent force.

I fear for such a day, but unless peaceful revolution takes place, well...

My opinion... we still need younger generation-like of LKS, KS and Nik Aziz.. If not there will be no check and balance in our country...
- this statement doesn't mean that i support the opposition.. k..-

well..about the 2009 election...wahhh...thats still a long way from now for me to think which one is to vote...but i dont think i'll ever go for the alternatives anwyay...we are just doing great with the government no matter how much we hate them at times

Well, I think it's pretty obvious which side I am on (no need to say out). That is unless something pisses me off and make me change my mind before 2009.

Vote with your mind. Not with your heart.

I think the government is doing a terrible job, but I have no love lost on the opposition either. I'm still in favour of casting a spoilt vote. If enough spoilt votes are cast, it'll make the news; after all, who can claim a mandate when say, 40% of your constituents didn't vote for you and explicitly protested?

Maybe the opposition parties will fare better in general elections if they raise more relevant issues like the low Ringgit value, obsolete laws and the low quality of permanent residents.

^^and poaching bussiness