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forrestcat
As a nation surrounded by neighbours in all sides, the armed forces plays a crucial role in maintaining security at its borders and prevent unwanted elements within our society-illegal immigrants. Malaysia, being a maritime nation with long coaslines and hosts one of the busiest shipping lines the world, tha Straits of Malacca, requires a a considerably huge navy to maintain constant watch of our waters. Malaysia also requires an effective, mobile and swift ground forces, both infantry and mechanical, to defend our land and suppress any invading forces. Meanwhile,the air force plays an important role in deterring hostile forces from getting 'free entries' into our air space, as seen in Afgahnistan and Iraq, those who control the sky, controls the batlefield, therefore it's important Malaysia have adequate fighters to defend our skies.

Malaysia, despite requiring a very modern army, generally lags behind some of its bigger and tiny neighbours. Malaysia has very capable ground forces who are capable of defending our land, but our air force and navy remains small and insignificant compared to our neighbours.

Our Navy operates about 50++ ships. Among Malaysia's combat vessels are 2 modern Lekiu class missile frigates which was the most modern in ASEAN until SG introduced their Delta class frigates (6 of them !!). 4 deadly Laksamana frigates, 2 old large Kasturi class corvettes (poor air defense capabilities) , about a dozen missile boats and various patrol boats and tug boats. Our navy is still small and incapable of patrolling our territory effectively which faces constant threat from piracy and possibly terrorists who smuggle themselves into Malaysia from Acheh and Mindanao. We recently faced trouble during the Ambalat crisis when Indo sent 6 frigates old but still deadly) to the Ambalat while Malaysia could spare 1 Lekiu frigate and several lame patrol boats.Our navy is important to project Malaysia's political will against any neighbours who think they can bully us. We must also remember that the Spratlys is being claimed by China, Brunei, the Philippines,Vietnam and us.It's important we have strong naval presence there to ensure we get a piece of our share.

Meanwhile, our air force is insignificant compared to our neighbours. Malaysia has only 50 combat capable aircrafts compared to thailand's 70 fighters, Indonesia's 70+ and SG's 120++ fighters. Besides that, our fleet may have been reduced following the innumerable crashes in the past. Furthermore, the stupid politicians have always made the worst decisions for the air force, first they bought the Mig-29 with palm oil which now needs upgrading(very expensive), the Hawk light attack crafts are riddled with many maintenance problems and we bought bought them coz we want BAe to open factories in MY and give CTRM and SME businesses (cronies!!!). The Sukhoi is a good buy, but MY politicians decided to they don't like the israeli components and decided to replace them with frog technology (french), making our Sukhois the most expensive compared to the sukhois indon and india bought.

However, the Malaysia Armed Forces have made significat purchases despite several attempts by cronies and politicians to interfere. We're getting the Sukhoi for one thing, the 2 Scorpene and 1 Agosta subs, the PT-91 tanks, 18 ASTROS 2 MLRS and the 6 Meko NGPV . Nevertheless Malaysia could have fared better if the decisions of the purchases are done by our generals, discussed and approved in the parliament like in Thailand rather than being in the hands of politicians.And most of all, all defense contracts must be given to the best people, not stupid cronises. Do you know that the NGPV projects almost failed becoz they let a banker run it while our Mig-29 faced poor maintenance coz they gave the job to a civil company but are in good hands now after a former general took over the maintenance job.

To sum up, Malaysia needs to increase spending on defense purchases or at least buy military hardware in larger quantity but with quality. Malaysia should also inject R&D into defense reasrch to be self sufficient in some military equipments. This is important so that Malaysia could have sufficient assets and resources to defend its territories and at the same time be self sufficient by producing its own military hardware which could also be exported. We now live in a insecure world now where other countries are now arming their armed forces to the teeth and Malaysia must follow suit to face any uncertainties in the future.

Some of MAF latest hardware.Enjoy urself!!


Lekiu class missile frigates.


Meko 100 corvettes.


Laksamana corvettes.


Scorpene SSK subs.


F-18D.


Mig-29


Sukhoi-30


PT-91 MBT.


Astros 2 MLRS
Iron Malayan
Malaysia's most pressing need is to secure her airspace. This could only be met by at least 40 F-18s.

Our previous Prime minister screwed up twice when he decided to buy those worthless MiGs and Sukhois.

Now the new PM is only thinking about acquiring 24 Super Hornets and yet he still hasn't shown any sign of finalising the deal.
forrestcat
No, Malaysia only plans to buy 18 Super Hornets, if it goes through, the 8 hornets will traded in. Our fleet has been sghrinking nevertheless since were selling 7 F-5 and we lost quite a number of aircrafts to crashes.

Our politicians always say excuses that they have other infrastrutural developments to concentrate on but Malaysia is losing face to our neighbours in terms of our military. Who cares whether our soldiers were proven effective during the communist insurgency or we sent many troops to UN peacekeeping duties, its the hardware that now counts , like Singapore, despite few experience they are very confident with their armed forces which is very modern and well equipped and recognized as a potent force in the region. In the end, when we dun have enough navy ships to patrol malacca straits and SG try to ask US to help, we complain, when SG try to help patrolling the straits,we also complain.Sigh, i hoppe MAF gets more say and money in malaysia's military purchase in the future under Badawi. I feel like mutilating Najib Razak and spiling his brain matter for being a loser Defense Minister and giving stupid ideas like the NS which is enriching his damned cousins.Sorry for being emotional. Talktohand.gif
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (forrestcat @ Aug 28 2005, 09:48 AM)
Our politicians always say excuses that they have other infrastrutural developments to concentrate on but Malaysia is losing face to our neighbours in terms of our military. Who cares whether our soldiers were proven effective during the communist insurgency or we sent many troops to UN peacekeeping duties, its the hardware that now counts ,
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I agree. Malaysian leaders need to realize that sovereignty doesn't come free. You need to spend a certain amount of money and on the right hardware. If they don't have the money, just forget about "other infrastructural developments" for now.

Nothing is more important than national security.
forrestcat
Possibble military purchases in the future.

BAe from the UK earlier this year proposed that Malaysia use part of its gold reserve to secure a loan to buy frigates and military equipments worth 1 billion pound.
Under the deal, Malaysia is expected to buy 2 Block 2 Lekiu Frigates ,an enhanced Lekiu class frigate and possibly 2 missile corvettes of which Brunei refused to buy, and possibly more Hawk aircafts. The deal is expected to be highlighted by the end of this year during LIMA 05.

Besides that, last year Malaysia signed an MOU to principally buy the KSA1 medium range SAMS which would also include tech transfer of MANPAD technology from China. This MoU has certainly disappointed the Russians who hoped that Malaysia might buy their BUK-M1 SAMs (which i think is superior to China's KS-A1), but this remains to be seen next year after the RMK9.

Malaysia has also not decided whether to buy the F-18F ,though Boeing did it best to tempt Malaysia, however. some defense analysts see that unlikely since Malaysia is upgrading its Hornets. This becoz when Malaysia gets the F-18F,Malaysia is expected to trade in its F-18E, therefore, the upgrades indicate that Malaysia will either get the Super bugs without trading in the Hornets or we'll just keep the Hornets and only get AMRAAM missiles, without the Super Bugs.

Malaysia will also expect to buy the A400 military transport aircraft. The deal might go through some analysts say as te RMAF have stopped works to upgrade its current fleet of 8 Hercules transport aircraft. Malaysia also plans to boost its Maritime Patrol Aircraft fleet, one possible candidate is theCN235 Persuader, of which Malaysia has been evaluated along with other MPAs.

Apparently, Malaysia approved to only 12 helicopters although the RMAF requested funds to buy 27 helocopters. The 12 helicopters are expected to replace some of Malaysia's current Nuri fleet. Possible candidate is the Mi-17 or the EH101 from Agusta Westland. Its very likely Malaysia will get the EH101 since Agusta Westland has opened a regional base in Kedah. Anyway, the RMAF already has 10 Mi-17 and the RMAF have argued that EH101, which is newer than the Mi-17 would serve better in transporting its special task force.

Some pics of our possible future purchases.


Mi-17


EH101


Brunei's OPV-not certain whether we'll get them, but the ito this is a must have for our Navy.


BUK-m1SAM from Russia.



KS-1 missile system from China.
Iron Malayan
The next most important program for Malaysian defence is completing the remaining 25 OPVs. We need all of them to :

1. Keep Thai, Vietnamese and Chinese trawlers from poaching in our territory

2. Intercept people smugglers

3. protect ships against pirates
malaccan
Hehhehe, sorry Iron Malayan. I can't help but think that this topic is right up your alley! icon_wink.gif Selamat Hari Merdeka!
Iron Malayan
We shouldn't buy any Mil helicopters. The EH101 is a good replacement for the S-61 but they are too big for certain tasks. We need medium transport helicopters like the Black Hawk too.

I must say its never a good idea to buy any weapons made by China.

Malaysia also should buy 2 more submarines from Germany,Russia or France to add to the Scorpenes.
4 frontline submarines is the ideal number for a country like Malaysia.
forrestcat
The scorpene are as good as the german subs,dun worry. The scorpene are one of Malaysia's best military purchases, even the Singaporeans are impressed.
Yes, i also would like Malaysia to have at least 4 subs, but they are expensive and we are still new to operating subs, the scorpenes malaysia bought have no AIP (makes them very quiet), so its relatively cheap, but our subs are still very stealthy and are far better than Kilo(cheap, but big and requires more crew) subs from Russia and the Zwardivs(junk) that was offered to us at LIMA 03.The Scorpene, despite being expensive(including training), have a longer life span and could be easily upgraded and we'll likely spend less on maintenance. The Agosta B we'll use for training is also a very capable sub, before we got the Scorpenes, Pakistan offered malaysia Agosta C (newer version) to Malaysia which is cheaper than buying from France. But I'm mighty glad we got the Scorpenes.

Here is what our scorpene will look like, its small, but deadly and very stealthy even without the AIP.


Here are some pics of Malaysia's PT-91M tanks at Putrajaya last Wednesday.




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Hope we get more tanks, MAF planned to have 3 regiments comprising of 150 tanks in the next decade.

There were only 4 hornets that were deployed, no Mig-29??Hopefully we'll see the Sukhois next year. icon_redface.gif



Presence of the army in our Independence parade is more prominent now, with especially the dancing commandos????!!!.

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Iron Malayan
^^ That dance was completely unnecessary. thumbsdown.gif

QUOTE (forrestcat @ Sep 2 2005, 02:16 AM)
The scorpene are as good as the german subs,dun worry. The scorpene are one of Malaysia's best military purchases,
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Ya I know.

BTW since the govt can't even afford to buy more F-18s ,they shouldn't waste money on buying more tanks.
mat kilau
which one better. typhoon or rafale ?
Iron Malayan
I think both are equal in terms of agility and firepower.

Speaking of Rafales, countries that has been slapped with American weapons embargoes like Indonesia should buy these fighters instead of Russian ones.

Their active array radars stand a better chance against American jammers

and buyers only need the approval of the French parliament compared to the Typhoon which require approvals from a few different govts.
forrestcat
Malaysia is not likely to buy any new fighters in the near future as Malaysia is exepected to buy surface to air missiles, frigates, and helis in the next 5 years which i think would leave few spare cash for another MRCA squadron. The local defense mag TEMPUR reported that its likely Malaysia will likely buy fighters under the 10th Malaysian Plan though this is not comfirmed. In my opinion, Malaysia should at get another squadron of MRCA or at least replace all the air crafts that crashed.(Mig-29 and Hawk 208).
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (forrestcat @ Sep 8 2005, 09:26 PM)
Malaysia is not likely to buy any new fighters in the near future as Malaysia is exepected to buy surface to air missiles, frigates, and helis in the next 5 years which i think would leave few spare cash for another MRCA squadron. The local defense mag TEMPUR reported that its likely Malaysia will likely buy fighters under the 10th Malaysian Plan though this is not comfirmed. In my opinion, Malaysia should at  get another squadron of MRCA or at least replace all the air crafts that crashed.(Mig-29 and Hawk 208).
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In that case Malaysia should buy the best SAM system they could get and complement them with the Kolchuga which is the best passive detection system in the world.
malaccan
From the BBC, ASEAN countries co-operation in the Malacca Straits.


Air patrols for Malacca Strait

Four South East Asian nations have launched joint air patrols of the Malacca Strait, in a bid to deter pirate attacks.



Delegates shake hands in a symbolic chain in front of a Republic of Singapore Air Force Fokker F-50 maritime patrol aircraft

Planes from Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand will be allowed to cross into each other's air space under the scheme.

The four countries will initially take turns conducting two patrols a week.

The strait is one of the world's busiest sea lanes, carrying half its oil and a quarter of its commerce.

But it is also becoming increasingly notorious for pirates, and 27pirate attacks were reported in the waterway last year.

The first aircraft to take part in the Eyes in the Sky project, a Malaysian C130 Hercules, took off from Kuala Lumpur's Subang Airport with a crew from Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore on Tuesday.

"Hopefully this will send a very strong message to the international community that we are serious about maintaining the security of the Malacca Strait," said Malaysian Defence Minister Najib Razak.

He added that he hoped other countries, including the US and Australia, would offer to participate in the scheme.

Indonesia and Malaysia rejected the US's offer last year that American forces help patrol the strait.

From the point where the Malacca Straits are at their narrowest, the Indonesian island of Batam can clearly be seen on one side and the skyscrapers of Singapore on the other.

Piracy has been a problem on the waterway for centuries, but it has been getting worse in recent years. Since the 11 September attacks on the US, the threat of attacks in the region has also increased.

Last year, Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore launched joint naval patrols of the strait.
forrestcat
Malaysia's Mig-29 with new color scheme after 1000 hours of PPRW .


Before.


Now.

And here are some more pictures of Malaysia's military hardware.


Ferret armored vehicle.


Condor.


Scorpion Light Tank.


Sibmas.


BV206


ACV 300 Adnan.


KIFV.
Iron Malayan
Poor Singapore

After spending billions and billions of Dollars to buy American fighters

Malaysia only needed to spend a few hundred million Dollars in artillery and rockets to render those expensive weapons meaningless against us. embarassedlaugh.gif2
forrestcat
The government allocated 5.6 billion RM for defense purposes which is equal to 1.5 billion dollars. Hmmm.... usually Malaysia spends an everage 2.8 billion RM, well OKla, better than nothing.

$1.5 billion = a squadron of Super Hornets??. biggthumpup.gif
mmmbop
Hello..newbie..i beg to differ some of the points:

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making our Sukhois the most expensive compared to the sukhois indon and india bought.


Comparing with india's and indon's Su is baseless purely because the indian made a special agreement on license-built the plane, hence cheaper.while the indon's, their planes are just basic without all the extensive and sophisticated equipment like ours.further to note these planes bought in a package that made them toothless, no offence to indon but to be exact without weaponry ie bombs and missiles.

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Our previous Prime minister screwed up twice when he decided to buy those worthless MiGs and Sukhois.


i would like to know why Mig and Sukhoi worthless?they cant shoot?

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No, Malaysia only plans to buy 18 Super Hornets, if it goes through, the 8 hornets will traded in


Not necessarily trade in.that's just an alternative to reduce cost.in other word it could be 18 new F18F with 8F18D in our arsenal.

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BAe from the UK earlier this year proposed that Malaysia use part of its gold reserve to secure a loan to buy frigates and military equipments worth 1 billion pound.
Under the deal, Malaysia is expected to buy 2 Block 2 Lekiu Frigates ,an enhanced Lekiu class frigate and possibly 2 missile corvettes of which Brunei refused to buy, and possibly more Hawk aircafts. The deal is expected to be highlighted by the end of this year during LIMA 05.


Personally, i object of another round of British weapon..their military equipment all damn pricey! not worth it. and the nakhoda ragam class of brunei also a burden to us if we bought them..it's just a solution to get a customer for BAE after brunei decline to accept them..though similar with F2000, we should stick to NGPV

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Its very likely Malaysia will get the EH101 since Agusta Westland has opened a regional base in Kedah.


I'm not so sure because EH101 is also expensive.agusta did team up withh Deftech to market it here but none confirm as yet
mmmbop
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Anyway, the RMAF already has 10 Mi-17


No RMAF dont have it.

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Malaysia also should buy 2 more submarines from Germany,Russia or France to add to the Scorpenes


More scorpene welcomed but please dont buy a mix up.dont threaten the logistics.

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BTW since the govt can't even afford to buy more F-18s ,they shouldn't waste money on buying more tanks.


we fight in all 3 spectrum of war,and we gain the war by foot..why not buying more tanks?Thai has hundreds of them..

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ACV 300 Adnan.

This is ACV-S not Adnan though the clour scheme looks the same.it's a new derivative of the ACV-300, stretched of course and with better armour.

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Poor Singapore

After spending billions and billions of Dollars to buy American fighters

Malaysia only needed to spend a few hundred million Dollars in artillery and rockets to render those expensive weapons meaningless against us.


Do not underestimate anyone.enough saying..

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$1.5 billion = a squadron of Super Hornets??.


So what's left for other military development?

Sorry guys..i'm new here and doesn't want to belittle anyone..but since i know a thing or two so i speak up what i think some misleading infos and to tell the truth and also what's my 2cent will be..that's it no personal attack..TQ
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (mmmbop @ Oct 7 2005, 03:38 AM)
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BTW since the govt can't even afford to buy more F-18s ,they shouldn't waste money on buying more tanks.


we fight in all 3 spectrum of war,and we gain the war by foot..why not buying more tanks?Thai has hundreds of them..
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Tanks are unsuitable in jungle and urban warfare.


QUOTE (mmmbop @ Oct 7 2005, 03:38 AM)
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Poor Singapore

After spending billions and billions of Dollars to buy American fighters

Malaysia only needed to spend a few hundred million Dollars in artillery and rockets to render those expensive weapons meaningless against us.


Do not underestimate anyone.enough saying..

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Can't help it.

Singaporeans don't think and fight like Malays. They are not descendants of noble predators who pwned European sailors and passangers just for kicks.

We are.

Those pussy Singaporeans beter know what will happen to them if they are stupid enough to tangle with Malaysia.
MING-LOYALIST
Seems to me there some sort of rivalry between Singapore and Malaysia going on. How come, There was never a war between the two.
caramel
There is no war going on btwn Singapore and Malaysia. I think that mmmbop and Iron Malayan just have their two different opinions on Singapore. However, I think that the ties btwn M'sia and S'pore has widen a little due to the fact that M'sia is against the Iraq war whereas S'pore has strong relationship with the US.

Occasionally there are disagreements between both countries. However, everything seems pretty fine at the moment.
malaccan
There will always be rivalry between Malaysia and Singapore. Still, ours are the two most economically integrated countries in the region.
caramel
Yea. I think economically. But I do not think politically it's that bad.
forrestcat
helo mmmbop,
Ur opinions are always welcomed.Its good to have some person well learned in Malaysia's defense situation. Hope u can update on any defense news in Malaysia.I am also an amateur military nuts.
mmmbop
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 8 2005, 02:21 AM)
Tanks are unsuitable in jungle and urban warfare.


And why is that..? Japanese have rolled their tanks here albeit light tank but for sure those behemoth did well as moving arty..if you scare about ATGW n RPG's, well be reminded that we are using CAD right now that's combined armed division..the tanks are not going playing with the enemy alone.they will be protected by those infantry from ground threat and air as well.merely you scratched mine i scratched yours ideology. but of course we dont want them in thousands, hundreds will do.because with these thingy, any potential aggressor will think twice for a ground attack or should we call "forward defence"? icon_smile.gif
mmmbop
QUOTE (forrestcat @ Oct 10 2005, 01:50 PM)
helo mmmbop,
Ur opinions are always welcomed.Its good to have some person well learned in Malaysia's defense situation. Hope u can update on any defense news in Malaysia.I am also an amateur military nuts.
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Same here an amateurish also.learning from others as well.nice to know you.
fadlee
malaysia should go for russians tech.. don buy americans weapon.. learn from indonesia where the america stop selling spare-parts for their f-16 jet fighter.. making the jet fighter to be unusable ya lor.. coz cannot do maintenance hmm.. americans r bad.. dont trust,dont buy american product heeheh its all about politics.. icon_sad.gif sure.gif icon_redface.gif icon_neutral.gif
Iron Malayan
Some top Malaysian leaders worry too much about US weapons embargoes but I really cannot think of any reason for America to stop selling weapons to a democratic ally like Malaysia. If Malaysian Prime Ministers are clever enough to prevent any issue that would incur a US sanction, we have nothing to fear.

Whatever limited financial resource we have must never be wasted in acquiring worthless Russian fighters.

American and some European fighters could easily jam their radars and shoot them down from medium range before the pilot of a Russian fighter even know whats going on.

Thats why its extremely foolish to buy Russian fighters when your neighbours are already equipped with US made fighters.
Sirikittong
Very nice.
fadlee
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 12 2005, 10:18 AM)
Some top Malaysian leaders worry too much about US weapons embargoes but I really cannot think of any reason for America to stop selling weapons to a democratic ally like Malaysia. If Malaysian Prime Ministers are clever enough to prevent any issue that would incur a US sanction, we have nothing to fear.

Whatever limited financial resource we have must never be wasted in acquiring worthless Russian fighters.

American and some European fighters could easily jam their radars and shoot them down from medium range before the pilot of a Russian fighter even know whats going on.

Thats why its extremely foolish to buy Russian fighters when your neighbours are already equipped with US made fighters.
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Is it true they can jam the radars? sure.gif hmm.. but i think the russian might hav think of something else to solve this like integrating the european tech? icon_sad.gif
fadlee
article from the Ausie magazine "Aviation Now"

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It is said that the su-30 is really capable off even against 5th Generation types like the JSF on among others!! eek.gif
johnleemk
For once I agree with Iron Malayan. Russian hardware is for the most part outdated or inferior to the American stuff. In a dogfight, an F-18 could take on a MiG or Sukhoi any time.
fadlee
f/a-18 was outclassed by the su-30.. even the new JSF cant beat it.. do u hav a prove to defend ur statement?
forrestcat
Malaysia May Be Offered Updated Super Hornets
October 15, 2005 16:29 PM

From Mohd Arshi Daud

St LOUIS (Missouri) Oct 15 (Bernama) -- The Boeing Company may have to revise its offer to sell the F/A 18-F Super Hornets to Malaysia into an updated version of the two-seater fighter jets by the time the country decides to make confirmed orders.

Business Development Director for Boeing Integrated Defense Systems' International Operations for Naval Systems David J. Schweppe said the world's second-largest defense company was currently upgrading the multi-mission jet into a more advanced F/A 18-F Block 2 from its existing form called Block 1.

Schweppe told Bernama during a Boeing Asia-Pacific Media tour in St Louis recently that the upgraded version would have more advanced radar, cockpit, targeting and other avionics systems.

"Malaysia was given a proposal on Block 1. As the programme matures, the offer will likely have to be updated," he said.

Schweppe was not sure if the updated version of the Super Hornets would cost Malaysia more.

Following Malaysia's expression of interest to procure the multi-mission Super Hornets, Boeing had held extensive dialogues with the government to provide a package of the fighter jets and its weapons systems in a deal worth around RM5.7 billion.

The package, submitted more than two years ago includes an offset programme. Malaysia was holding back decision on the F/A 18-F as the government was committed to trimming its fiscal deficit further.

The Super Hornets, currently in service with the U.S. Navy, has yet to register any international sales.

Apart from Malaysia, Boeing was also trying to market the F/A 18-F to several other countries that presently fly the older F/A 18-A through F/A 18-D.

"We were hopeful it (the deal with Malaysia) would close last year. Of course it hasn't," says Jim Albaugh president and chief executive officer of Boeing Integrated Defense Systems.

"This is a deal that has been on the table for several years," he said in reference to the efforts made by Boeing to come up with an offset programme aimed at making the offer to Malaysia alluring.

"But I don't think it will get done this year and I would be very surprised if it got done next year as well," he added.

Explaining the offset programme offered to Malaysia, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems regional director for Industrial Participation Programs Gerald D. Schmidt said it included a proposal to set up a biotechnology centre in Malaysia.

The centre, in cooperation with several Malaysian government agencies and research trusts; and Donald Danforth Plant Science Centre (a world-class plant research centre located here), would conduct research projects on agriculture-biotechnology.

Schmidt added that the offset programme also offers opportunities for industrial collaboration such as through market assistance or technology transfer in commercially viable projects.

This might include manufacturing composite materials for the Super Hornets by Malaysian companies.

"It's possible as Malaysia has good composite manufacturing capabilities at CTRM (Composites Technology Research Malaysia Sdn Bhd) and ACM (Asian Composite Manufacturing Sdn Bhd)," he said.

CTRM is the largest composite wing components supplier for the A320 series while ACM makes advanced composite panels for the wings of the 737, 747, 757, 767 and 777 aircraft.

Composites are lightweight but high performance materials used for high-end aerospace, defence and industrial applications.

-- BERNAMA
Aranadhel
Malaysia should get back with the plan to buy those South African " Rooivalk " attack choppers.. Singapore has those Apaches' but they're all stored in the US unless Singapore badly needs it.. hahaha... what a farce.

And here's a 1/8 replica of our latest jetfighters that will arrive in 2006. The Sukhoi 30 MKM ( Multirole Komersial Malaysia. )



forrestcat
QUOTE (Aranadhel @ Oct 16 2005, 12:53 AM)
Malaysia should get back with the plan to buy those South African " Rooivalk " attack choppers.. Singapore has those Apaches' but they're all stored in the US unless Singapore badly needs it.. hahaha... what a farce.

And here's a 1/8 replica of our latest jetfighters that will arrive in 2006. The Sukhoi 30 MKM ( Multirole Komersial Malaysia. )




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The attack helis are too expensive to buy and operate. I dun trust the army to have funds to properly maintain it as its from another made (Denel) and would pose logistic nightmare in our already zoo of air crafts.

Besides that i say attack helis are very vulnerable to MANPADS ans VSHORADS, of which we have (and will get more) ample supply .

I can't wait for the super hornet deal to be sealed!!???I think it will be done on LIMA 2005
Sirikittong
lol. russian hardware is a piece of sh.iit. Its just a fact. Our new rafales should be interesting..
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (forrestcat @ Oct 15 2005, 06:54 AM)
Explaining the offset programme offered to Malaysia, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems regional director for Industrial Participation Programs Gerald D. Schmidt said it included a proposal to set up a biotechnology centre in Malaysia.

The centre, in cooperation with several Malaysian government agencies and research trusts; and Donald Danforth Plant Science Centre (a world-class plant research centre located here), would conduct research projects on agriculture-biotechnology.


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The offset package is very disappointing. A USD1.5 billion deal should fetch at least USD 500 million in offst investments. We should try to get important manufacturing plants that are very hard to get under normal circumstances like a copper refinery, pharmeceutical ingredients or a specialty steel mill

but instead we are wasting this opportunity by accepting a stupid agro-biotech investment. Agro-biotech is worthless compared to human therapeutic drugs. Heck that offset investment is not even a manufacturing plant. Its just a research center which will contribute nothing to Malaysian GNP.

On another note, since a fully armed Super Hornet cost around USD60 million, a USD$1.5 billion contract could mean we are actually buying 24 fighters.

By deploying certain tactics, 24 Super hornets armed with 4 AMRAAMs each could detect all 70 Australian F-18s first with their superior radars and shoot them all down with AMRAAMs before the Australians have a chance to lock on to the Malaysian Super Hornets.

Concluding this deal would give Malaysia a powerful deterrent against all her neighbours .

The Prime Minister shouldn't waste any more time. The deal only cost USD1.5 billion.
Aranadhel
How about the Singaporean F-15 Eagles? Can the Super Hornets take them all out in one shot?
Aranadhel
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Oct 16 2005, 09:10 PM)
lol. russian hardware is a piece of sh.iit. Its just a fact. Our new rafales should be interesting..
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I never knew Thailand bought Rafales for their air force.. I thot they only had the F-16...
mmmbop
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 13 2005, 02:18 AM)
American and some European fighters could easily jam their radars and shoot them down from medium range before the pilot of a Russian fighter even know whats going on.

Thats why its extremely foolish to buy Russian fighters when your neighbours are already equipped with US made fighters.
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That's overrated to call them always capable to jam russian plane.We have been fed by the US with their air superiority against Russian-made plane.but the fact is that they fight war against weak and poor enemy.Not to mention their fighter always been back-up by AWACS, J-STAR, Prowler etc..
mmmbop
QUOTE (johnleemk @ Oct 14 2005, 09:13 PM)
For once I agree with Iron Malayan. Russian hardware is for the most part outdated or inferior to the American stuff. In a dogfight, an F-18 could take on a MiG or Sukhoi any time.
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F18 can outclassed Su and MiG? you must be kidding!
mmmbop
QUOTE (Aranadhel @ Oct 16 2005, 12:53 AM)
Malaysia should get back with the plan to buy those South African " Rooivalk " attack choppers.. Singapore has those Apaches' but they're all stored in the US unless Singapore badly needs it.. hahaha... what a farce.

And here's a 1/8 replica of our latest jetfighters that will arrive in 2006. The Sukhoi 30 MKM ( Multirole Komersial Malaysia. )
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Should we buy attack choppers it's not because Sg or other neighbouring countries have it. It's up to our doctrine to decide whether we in need of those things. Afterall i dislike Rooivalk not because of it's capability but to the fact that only South Africa have it and that not even more than 12.we dont want to be the biggest customer, it could be a disaster for us.
mmmbop
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Oct 16 2005, 08:10 PM)
lol. russian hardware is a piece of sh.iit. Its just a fact. Our new rafales should be interesting..
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What fact? You didn't state any! And what rafale? You didn't even have a single one!
mmmbop
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 16 2005, 09:50 PM)
On another note, since a fully armed Super Hornet cost around USD60 million, a USD$1.5 billion contract could mean we are actually buying 24 fighters.

By deploying certain tactics, 24 Super hornets armed with 4 AMRAAMs each could detect all 70 Australian F-18s first with their superior radars and shoot them all down with AMRAAMs before the Australians have a chance to lock on to the Malaysian Super Hornets.

Concluding this deal would give Malaysia a powerful deterrent against all her neighbours .

The Prime Minister shouldn't waste any more time. The deal only cost USD1.5 billion.
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24 SH? Training, armament (how many?what type?), logistics, maintenance etc all those need $$.

SH with AESA will get the first detection capability, move to right angle and all sort.It wont improve AMRAAM capability, it only create chances for SH to shoot first at the longest range. which means Aussie F18 may capable to retaliate if they use the same AMRAAM type, the range merely same but after they have been lock on.that's the advantage
khtan2000
QUOTE (mmmbop @ Oct 17 2005, 03:26 PM)
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Oct 16 2005, 09:50 PM)
On another note, since a fully armed Super Hornet cost around USD60 million, a USD$1.5 billion contract could mean we are actually buying 24 fighters.

By deploying certain tactics, 24 Super hornets armed with 4 AMRAAMs each could detect all 70 Australian F-18s first with their superior radars and shoot them all down with AMRAAMs before the Australians have a chance to lock on to the Malaysian Super Hornets.

Concluding this deal would give Malaysia a powerful deterrent against all her neighbours .

The Prime Minister shouldn't waste any more time. The deal only cost USD1.5 billion.
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24 SH? Training, armament (how many?what type?), logistics, maintenance etc all those need $$.

SH with AESA will get the first detection capability, move to right angle and all sort.It wont improve AMRAAM capability, it only create chances for SH to shoot first at the longest range. which means Aussie F18 may capable to retaliate if they use the same AMRAAM type, the range merely same but after they have been lock on.that's the advantage
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firstly in my opinion, those people who says russian planes are outclassed and outdated are just bs, russian planes are known for their maneuverability in close combat battles(su-27,mig29 and latest series of sukhoi) that even US actually acquired some of those planes to study the aerodynamics of the planes back in the era of f15 and f16.(Jane's defense report on this one before). Radar jammers currently nearly all planes have it, it just that the planes body structure and the material (plus the altitude of the plane and what radar the enemy is using)that makes it more harder for radar to detect at long range or not. Also in my opinion, those long range range missile if you guys says can take out another plane at long distance, the chances of hitting the enemy plane is pretty low as by the time the missile gets near to its target, it has no more/very less propellant to manuever anymore, any experience pilot could easily outmaneuver the missile by executing either s- turn or just evasion technique(theres more than 100 maneuvers covered in air combat training).Btw long range missile(higher percentage) also could be possibility fooled by countermeasures such as flares and chaffs and furthermore the pilot can just use the built in ECM in their planes to dupe the missile of the location fo their plane ( however this ECM will render their plane present to be detected by radars) . Lastly no matter how good the plane is, it all comes down to the person who pilot it. You can put a newbie pilot in an ultra modern warplane but he will still get shot down by an older warplane with experience pilot.

p/s: planes usually doesnt get deployed alone, coupled it with AWACS and ground based radar, planes could detect more further than just using it own radars as AWACS and ground radar feeds the info to the planes
Aranadhel
I think Malaysia should get more jetfighters... we are simply outnumbered by the SAF and it is not a good sign... any suggestions? Im going for Dassault Bruguet Rafales.
Iron Malayan
QUOTE (Aranadhel @ Oct 16 2005, 03:52 PM)
How about the Singaporean F-15 Eagles? Can the Super Hornets take them all out in one shot?
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No need to use fighters. We just destroy them on the ground with old fashioned artillery and Astro rocket barrage.

It doesn't matter how many F-16 or F15s they have. cool30.gif
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