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Kanlungan
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 23 2005, 10:30 AM)
Malaki ang kaibahan sa salita na pamilyar mo sa salita na talagang gamit mo. Makikita natin ito sa ating edukasyon. Mas madali tayong matuto pag talagang saliring wika mo ang gamit sa pagtuturo kesa wika na pamilyar mo lang. So ibig sabihin mas malaking bilang ng Pinoy ang may tamang edukasyon dahil sa karamihan na atin ay natural na nagsasalita sa wika na ginagamit ng ating aklat.

Kaya nga sa previous post ko sinabi ko na probably 5 decades is more than enough para matutuhan mga Pinoy ang bagong wika kung ito ay babaguhin.  icon_smile.gif
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Yung nga pero taking it in general, masmarami pa rin ang "familiar" sa Tagalog. Although masmarami ng konti ang native speakers ng Bisaya. It is said na 90% ng Filipinos ay "familiar" sa tagalog.

I am not a Tagalog, not part Tagalog (ako po ay Ilocano, Ibaloi at Pangasinense) but I love Tagalog as I love Ilocano. Why can't people be like that? Why do we have to hate other native languages just because hindi yung native language natin ang national lanuguage?

Kahit anong native language ang ilagay niyo dyan, mag-aaway away pa rin ang mga Pinoy kasi sa malakas na regionalism. Minsan pakiramdam ko sense of regionalism lang ang nasa mga Pilipino at parang bibihira ang "NATION"alism.

Acceptance lang tagala ang kailangan.
filipinoy
^Inggit lang po kasi sila eh.....lol
JuliusMariaLourdes
QUOTE (Kanlungan @ Sep 24 2005, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 23 2005, 10:30 AM)


Malaki ang kaibahan sa salita na pamilyar mo sa salita na talagang gamit mo. Makikita natin ito sa ating edukasyon. Mas madali tayong matuto pag talagang saliring wika mo ang gamit sa pagtuturo kesa wika na pamilyar mo lang. So ibig sabihin mas malaking bilang ng Pinoy ang may tamang edukasyon dahil sa karamihan na atin ay natural na nagsasalita sa wika na ginagamit ng ating aklat.

Kaya nga sa previous post ko sinabi ko na probably 5 decades is more than enough para matutuhan mga Pinoy ang bagong wika kung ito ay babaguhin.  icon_smile.gif
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Yung nga pero taking it in general, masmarami pa rin ang "familiar" sa Tagalog. Although masmarami ng konti ang native speakers ng Bisaya. It is said na 90% ng Filipinos ay "familiar" sa tagalog.

I am not a Tagalog, not part Tagalog (ako po ay Ilocano, Ibaloi at Pangasinense) but I love Tagalog as I love Ilocano. Why can't people be like that? Why do we have to hate other native languages just because hindi yung native language natin ang national lanuguage?

Kahit anong native language ang ilagay niyo dyan, mag-aaway away pa rin ang mga Pinoy kasi sa malakas na regionalism. Minsan pakiramdam ko sense of regionalism lang ang nasa mga Pilipino at parang bibihira ang "NATION"alism.

Acceptance lang tagala ang kailangan.
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In all practicality, changing our National Language to Visayan is futile... much more trying to debate over which should be the one... anyways, I'm the biggest fan of Taglish. I love listening to Taglish so I have a reason to giggle.
toki
my filipino friends say their parents know different dialects but know the universal tagalog as many do. so isnt that the national language? confused.gif some of my filipino friends know their dialects plus the unversal tagalog and english. so i always assumed that the unviersal tagolog was teh unviersal language. am i wrong icon_neutral.gif icon_confused.gif confused.gif
anoulit?
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 21 2005, 04:56 AM)
I think Cebuano is the most widely spoken dialect in the Phil. And I think changing our national language to Cebuano is a good idea. Majority of the people in Visayas and Mindanao speaks Cebuano or Bisaya and many of them experienced a hard time in speaking and understanding Tagalog.
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its easier to understand and speak tagalog.
...siguro...? icon_neutral.gif
JuliusMariaLourdes
QUOTE (anoulit? @ Sep 28 2005, 02:52 AM)
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 21 2005, 04:56 AM)
I think Cebuano is the most widely spoken dialect in the Phil. And I think changing our national language to Cebuano is a good idea. Majority of the people in Visayas and Mindanao speaks Cebuano or Bisaya and many of them experienced a hard time in speaking and understanding Tagalog.
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its easier to understand and speak tagalog.
...siguro...? icon_neutral.gif
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^is it? i could be tempted to agree with you as tagalog has perhaps fewer words than visayan, and therefore easier to memorize, lol.
Bisdak
QUOTE (Kanlungan @ Sep 25 2005, 03:51 PM)
Yung nga pero taking it in general, masmarami pa rin ang "familiar" sa Tagalog. Although masmarami ng konti ang native speakers ng Bisaya. It is said na 90% ng Filipinos ay "familiar" sa tagalog.


Talagang familiar dahil ito ang wika na ginagamit sa TV, sa aklat at sa kung ano-ano pa..pamilyar dahil ito ang national language..pero hindi karamihan ang bihasa sa tagalog. I was not talking about familiarity, I was talking about learning, kung paano maging madali sa karamihan ng mga Pinoy na matuto kung sana ang nasyonal na wika ay ibinase sa bilang ng nagsasalita nito. sure.gif

QUOTE (Kanlungan @ Sep 25 2005, 03:51 PM)
I am not a Tagalog, not part Tagalog (ako po ay Ilocano, Ibaloi at Pangasinense) but I love Tagalog as I love Ilocano. Why can't people be like that? Why do we have to hate other native languages just because hindi yung native language natin ang national lanuguage?


Well, magkaiba tayo..iba ang Ilocano sa Bisaya.. I love my native language more than any language in the world. Hindi ito "hating other languages". May basehan kasi na ang Binisaya dialect sana ang dapat naging official language.

Paano kaya kung ang marami ang bilang ng mga Ilocano kesa ibang lenguahe dito sa Pinas? Siguro may Ilocano din na magsasabi na sana ang kanilang dialect ang naging official language. Siguro ako na isang bisaya, isang minority lang sa Pinas, ay di na masyadong magsasalita ng tungkol sa wika. Siguro tulad mo sasabihin ko rin na "I love Tagalog as I love Bisaya. Why can't people be like that?" sure.gif

QUOTE (Kanlungan @ Sep 25 2005, 03:51 PM)
Kahit anong native language ang ilagay niyo dyan, mag-aaway away pa rin ang mga Pinoy kasi sa malakas na regionalism. Minsan pakiramdam ko sense of regionalism lang ang nasa mga Pilipino at parang bibihira ang "NATION"alism.

Acceptance lang tagala ang kailangan.
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Siguro, paano kasi maliit lang ang bilang ng mga tagalogs compare to Bisayans at ito pa ang ginawang official language. Maraming regions ang kokontra dahil hindi ito ang wika nila. Siguro kung Bisaya lang ang pambansang wika ng Pilipinas majority ng regions sa Pinas ang magkakasundo. icon_smile.gif
Bisdak
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Sep 25 2005, 02:20 AM)
no
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Some countries, such as Sweden, Tuvalu, and the United States have no official languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_language



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...political_issue : i've just added the Philippines, lol
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I think in the strict sense not, but English is the national language since they used it widely in their government and in learning.
Bisdak
QUOTE (anoulit? @ Sep 28 2005, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 21 2005, 04:56 AM)
I think Cebuano is the most widely spoken dialect in the Phil. And I think changing our national language to Cebuano is a good idea. Majority of the people in Visayas and Mindanao speaks Cebuano or Bisaya and many of them experienced a hard time in speaking and understanding Tagalog.
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its easier to understand and speak tagalog.
...siguro...? icon_neutral.gif
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Really? Well I think its because our school taught us how to understand and speak this language. But if we say, you're an Ilonggo and our school was teaching both Bisaya and tagalog, probably you would say that Bisaya is easier to learn than tagalog. icon_smile.gif
JuliusMariaLourdes
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 30 2005, 07:20 PM)
QUOTE (anoulit? @ Sep 28 2005, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 21 2005, 04:56 AM)
I think Cebuano is the most widely spoken dialect in the Phil. And I think changing our national language to Cebuano is a good idea. Majority of the people in Visayas and Mindanao speaks Cebuano or Bisaya and many of them experienced a hard time in speaking and understanding Tagalog.
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its easier to understand and speak tagalog.
...siguro...? icon_neutral.gif
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Really? Well I think its because our school taught us how to understand and speak this language. But if we say, you're an Ilonggo and our school was teaching both Bisaya and tagalog, probably you would say that Bisaya is easier to learn than tagalog. icon_smile.gif
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^in grade school and high school Pilipino was forced down our throats - as it was always a part of the curriculum.
RL33
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 30 2005, 06:20 PM)
QUOTE (anoulit? @ Sep 28 2005, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 21 2005, 04:56 AM)
I think Cebuano is the most widely spoken dialect in the Phil. And I think changing our national language to Cebuano is a good idea. Majority of the people in Visayas and Mindanao speaks Cebuano or Bisaya and many of them experienced a hard time in speaking and understanding Tagalog.
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its easier to understand and speak tagalog.
...siguro...? icon_neutral.gif
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Really? Well I think its because our school taught us how to understand and speak this language. But if we say, you're an Ilonggo and our school was teaching both Bisaya and tagalog, probably you would say that Bisaya is easier to learn than tagalog. icon_smile.gif
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As an ilongo i hated learning english and tagalog as a kid...i would probobly also hate learning this bisaya.
JuliusMariaLourdes
QUOTE (RL33 @ Oct 1 2005, 11:16 AM)
As an ilongo i hated learning english and tagalog as a kid...i would probobly also hate learning this bisaya.
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Back in high school, there was this tikalon Ilonggo kid who always displays his hatred towards Bisayas. One day in our field trip in the rural areas - when he was doing his usual tikal and all, I paid one barrio-folk to wield his bolo and shout "TULIIII, TULIIIII"... he scared the begeebers out of the Ilonggo kid who - ran frantically back into the bus - crying. From that day on, he was the subject of all ridicule, and the next thing we knew he took two weeks off for his circumcision. LOL.
RL33
LOL hahaaha thats hilarious he deserved for being so cocky...and being "pusot" LOL.

Its tikalon for us by the why, is that in cebuano???
JuliusMariaLourdes
QUOTE (RL33 @ Oct 1 2005, 11:40 AM)
LOL hahaaha thats hilarious he deserved for being so cocky...and being "pusot" LOL.

Its tikalon for us by the why, is that in cebuano???
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LOL. "tikalon" is a non-Cebuano term - it is actually Ilonggo. The Cebuano/Bisaya equivalent is "hambugero" or "hambug".
Also, "pusot" in your dialect is "pisot" in ours biggrin.gif... By the way cocky and pisot in one sentence is a funny oxymoron. LOL.
RL33
confused.gif well how shold i know im not cebuano, anyways i got nothing but love for ur peoples...well except for this one guy who pulled out a knife on me hahaaha.
filipinoy
How bout Sign Language...... so no more regionalism stuff
JuliusMariaLourdes
QUOTE (filipinoy @ Oct 1 2005, 02:31 PM)
How bout Sign Language...... so no more regionalism stuff
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Same regionalism thing will happen:

For example:

Sign language for eating:
Bisaya version: Open one's mouth, cluster the fingers of one hand as if picking up food, bring up the hand towards the mouth. Repeat the motion three or four times.

Tagalog version: Open one's mouth, form the fingers of one hand as if holding a cylindrical object such as a large microphone, bring up the hand towards the mouth as if trying to eat the cylindrical object. Repeat the motion three or four times.

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LOL.
filipinoy
sign language is quite easy, in fact many ppl didnt know they know this kind of language

10 samples:

thumbsdown.gif - bad

biggthumpup.gif - good

- fukk you

- rock on!

- a-ok

- a-town/AZN

- Laban!!!

- Bawi!!!

- let's fukk

- Nazi Salute
Bisdak
QUOTE (RL33 @ Oct 2 2005, 03:16 AM)
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 30 2005, 06:20 PM)
QUOTE (anoulit? @ Sep 28 2005, 06:52 PM)
QUOTE (Bisdak @ Sep 21 2005, 04:56 AM)
I think Cebuano is the most widely spoken dialect in the Phil. And I think changing our national language to Cebuano is a good idea. Majority of the people in Visayas and Mindanao speaks Cebuano or Bisaya and many of them experienced a hard time in speaking and understanding Tagalog.
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its easier to understand and speak tagalog.
...siguro...? icon_neutral.gif
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Really? Well I think its because our school taught us how to understand and speak this language. But if we say, you're an Ilonggo and our school was teaching both Bisaya and tagalog, probably you would say that Bisaya is easier to learn than tagalog. icon_smile.gif
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As an ilongo i hated learning english and tagalog as a kid...i would probobly also hate learning this bisaya.
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You'l probably hate the rest of world's languages as well... icon_smile.gif
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