Is there any strong hmong leaders?

the last one was General Vang Pao

I don't think he is a hmong leader

Just because he was working with laos in the past? he anit consider hmong??


have ya heard bout tougeu lyfoung(great hmong leader) die ??
damn sad...

R.I.P.

there is alot of good hmong leader...
Mee moua(first hmong american senator)
Rep.Cy thao(lesigitor)
Bao vang(hmong teacher)
Maika Vang(first hmong priciple)

we have come a long way..
20 years, was worth it..

I have never heard of that guy before the dead one

he still is but he's gettin too old so someone soon's gona take over....




wtf are you talking bout...he is hmong....u on crak? -shurg

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read that before u start reading lol..

u probaly dont follow ur hmong history that much rite xiong??
he was a few hmong that was a great leader..
along with his 2 brother...

Yeah, bout 20yrs ago.

Do you honestly think he's contributed anything to the hmong communities at all...Nope.

yea, alot of hmong people hate him, somewat or someway..

he only help his goddamn clan.

no love for him.

Everyone has a potential to be a leader. We just haven't found our potential yet.

there arent any good hmong leaders...but we need one...hehe *winK*

So, If Vang Pao commanded all the forces back in Laos......But never went through the ranks in the Lao Army to become a General........and was just a regular Tribesman, Then would you like him better????

Great Leaders tend to die with a forgotten name, the only legacy is the survival of their clan.

I hear of the name Vang Pao - but what did he really contributed to deserve such recognition.

I'm sorry but what do you mean by that? Haven't you looked at the history?

He was the leader of the Hmong Forces....then after we were abandoned, he was exiled....

Now in America, he set up programs to help Hmong people over here. He is trying hard as hell to help the hmong in Laos but he can't do anything......What can he do?? The only hope for them is for the U.N. to step up......All these younger people hate Vang Pao, but amidst the hate, what are they doing to help their own people? All you guys know that the Hmongs getting killed in Laos, can't just simply surrender, because they will still be killed anyways....There's OBVIOUSLY a reason why our parents are all here in the U.S.....One day there will be a Hmong Leader from America.....Could it be YOU????haha...

Yes G.Vang Pao is the last leader but i wonder would the next leader be better? cuz now a day hmong peeps living in a good life and never thought those whos in laos getting kill.

i do agree that G. Vang Pao was a good leader...but that was back then and now in the US he is only a person just like every other hmong person...i do think that one of these days there will be a hmong leader...so we will have to wait till that day comes...

To lilasiankid:
Calm down...I have no hate, don't misread.

It's the communities that come together that create assistive programs for the Hmong in the different States. Or am I missing something? Might I ask, what programs did he create and where?

I am just asking a simple question, in why Vang Pao is recognizable? It's good to share what you know, and ask about what you don't know.

CALM DOWN?!?!?!CALM DOWN!?!?!

haha...Im just joking....naw, I didnt misread, sorry I didn't know how to put it so I didnt seem angry.....

I'm just wondering, If you are new to Hmong or what you were trying to ask or whatever.......you know?

He did help hmong when he first got here....can't remember the name of it though.....but he is trying to help hmong. He can't do that much, but he still tries and is concerned.......and the Hmong still in Laos getting killed? everyone is pretty much powerless to help them....except for the U.N...

lolz ya $hitz there r gettin funny rite now i just hope that the next leader would be better.




to all of ya theres

Yes, I like to know what programs he setup too.

i don't think he ever set up any programs for the hmong people...but i could be wrong...

anybody ever heard of "LAO FAMILY"??? He started that back in the 80's and now there's branches all over the U.S. and there are many other smaller non-profit organizations founded by him.....

If the newer generation want another person that they would recognize as a leader.....We're getting there.....We already have Politicians!!! Senator, Representatives etc.

Everyone's a leader...in his/her own right. Most of the Hmong leaders (or so-called) have their own agenda, which is usually political-driven. Basically, a bunch of blah blah blah....and they're only interested in securing his/her place in today's society. It might seem they're doing good for Hmong families after them, but ALWAYS read between the lines. For instance, take a look at our so-called General Pao Vang. I'm sure you heard that he said it was ok to go back to Laos/Thailand...and that you'll live like kings/queens. All this buzz made its way to every home and all of a sudden, thousands of Hmong people, especially the elders are jumping on this, and they want to go back. Now if you ask me...well if you ask the younger generation, the only response you'll get is the Peanut Gallery. Ask your parents or relatives if they want to just pick up and leave. I'm sure they'll be thrilled. I mean...they'll have luxury houses...expenses taken care of...clean water...no FREEDOM...etc...

There is always a hidden truth in everything, because it all boils down to people doing things only for their own benefit. heck, isn't that how the war starts?

And not all Hmong glorify VP - yes he is a recognizable general and that is it.

Some see it as the Hmong people ability to work together that makes things happen - the credit should be given to the people. Without the people copperating with one another, I don't think any such programs or communities will ever exist.

In regards to the Lao Family, VP is only one of the founders.

Article: http://hmongunivers.angelcities.com/news20020417.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/archive/

Well then, I guess Hmong people don't and will never have a leader....or at least not for a long time....until Hmong people begin to see eachother as more of a Family than Competition. Hmong don't know how to work together, hate is something inherited from our elders.....We're always talking about having one of our own to rise up but when someone does, people start to doubt them....and as for our own country someday, don't even think about it.

In America we are a lost generation. Most Hmong kids today grow up confused and they do not know the ways of their culture and don't really care to know (hell, we already have Hmong kids who wish they were another race!) In the next few decades we can only claim to be Hmong and the link to our past is in those still in Thailand and Laos.

I agree with Anhari. It's the few groups of individuals working together that makes things happen.

ok come on guys can't you guys see the world??? hmong people have many great leaders 5000 years ago to even today especially general vang pao. personally i think that general vang pao is a great leader in the hmong community because he has done a lot for us. he guided us to this country and is a good symbol to us. just my personal opinion...peace out yal

Exactly. I also think he is a leader. If he isn't, then what are the requirements a person has to do in order to qualify as a leader?

However, he's not the only one, there's many Hmong people out there leading the way for others.

in my opinion a leader is someone who the people look up to in time of need and can make a difference in their community and to the outside world. it is their wise advice that counts and passion that they give.

I totally dissagree with that general vang pao is a great hmong leader. What has he done for us. I haven't heard anything. I don't see him helping out the hmong people in laos who are being kill by the loas government. A true leader would be Stephen Vang (i am not sure of his hmong name) He and Phillip Smith has been in congress avocating the Hmong killings in laos.

Yeah, but even THEY can't stop the killings.....NOBODY is stopping it right now......Congress wouldn't give a damn about those Hmongs if nobody mentioned it.....and the U.N. isn't doing sh*t.......U.S. just opened trade with Laos....It's gonna take time before they will take action, a LONG time. How many more Hmong people will be killed by then?.....Look at all the problems the U.S. has on it's hands already.......Laos is a poor country with corrupt officials. I don't like wars but the last resort is......a Revolution.....

Well maybe you haven't heard, general vang pao created many organiztion for example Lao family, the hmong 18 counsil, hmong veterns and a hmong court and many more....even though he can't help the hmong in laos, i think that there are still discussing it...and it is not that easy to go about and try to do anything because its a matter of government......if we really want the killing to stop i would consider all students and hmong people to protest and let the american what we have to say...so peace out yaall...

Protesting will not do any good to stop the butchering in Laos, time is at the essence. What the Hmong people need is to strike back hard, I mean bomb the friggin capital where those fat @$$ politicians are making their plannings. The only problem is no one is willing to commit to such a cost. By the way, what makes a good leader is a leader that cares and dedicate his life to the people and must have some patriotism. I mean like when they strike at you, you hit them 3 times as hard. Not like the americans where they went to war with Iraq, they called patriotism. That is just damn bull! Has the Iraqqy set foot on american soil and killed americans? Doing something about those who are struggling in Laos: Yes, the hmong people can do something about it, but they chosed not too. They could take military actions but no they are too busy earning and spending cash.



-Vajyilan!

That is not the peaceful way, but you do have a point. It's times like these when war is necessary. That is why there are REVOLUTIONS!

Hmong leaders! Yes. I would believe that our leaders are todays and tommorrows youth. For we are the trend setters and we are the ones who pave the way. Perhaps every one in this forum maybe.

no no no no, you've got it wrong, what i say now has nothing to do with vang pao or leaders, its about what you said about great leaders when they die with forgotten names. Great leaders who died, never died with forgotten names. people who lived and never really did, died with forgotten names.

what i say now has to do with hmong leaders:
all these hmong leaders from the past will die knowing that we newer generation dont know what they truly did for us and some of you people are talking smack on them. SHAME on YOU!!!! if you knew personally about the leaders you are talking about, then i take back what i said, if you dont!!! who gave you the right to tell them who they are?

i want to thank all the hmong leaders past and present for what they have contributed to the Hmong people, however how you view what they did, doesn't matter because they've done something greater than what most of us will ever accomplish in our life

have you ever heard of the story about "No Statue Critic"? no? well let me tell you:

since the begining of the world, men have had leaders that had their critics. these critics always talked about how good or bad their leader was when he would do anything from picking up his cup to drink, to winning a war for his country and people. these critics would talk talk talk talk about this leader until that day when this leader fell and was buried. Everyone from as far east and west of this country came to pay homage to this person and because this leader had accomplish so much and had helped his country and people, they built a statue of him in his honor. as for the critic, he found a new leader to criticize until that day when the critic fell dead. only his close family was there and because he always told stories of this leader, this leader's family came too, to give there condolences. after the burial of the critic, no statue was made in his honor. in fact, 100 yrs later people still remembered this leader for what he did for them and do not even have a clue about who this critic was or even his exsistence.

and thats the story of "No Statue Critic" and in the history of mankind has no statue ever been built for a CRITIC!

so, dont criticize people, when you do, they dont like you, and you should apologies quickly!!! what you may do is give them construtive coaching

Who needs hmong leaders...they'll all be the same anyways....and Yea VANG PAO sucks!!!!!!......Sorry if i offended anyone but that's my personal opinion!!

vang pao suk? what did he ever do to you? =/
do you even know him personally?
leave vang pao alone.. he's old and he's done enough in vietnam
war to get kind of get hmong here..

I have a fair amount of respect for Vang Pao as a military leader because of his recognition as a great general and for his knowledge of warfare. Though I truly believe he is not qualified enough to be a leader of Hmong ppls and even if he is, well then it's time we find a new leader 'cause he looks like he's go'n to die or at least is close to looking dead.

^uh...yeah...

anyhow...vang pao does suck...my mom doesn't like him...my dad used to give him money...i don't know if you guys and gals' parents (dad) does the same...but...vp requests the money and yeah...i don't know what he does with, does anyone know? anyhow...everytime my dad sends him money...my mom would yell at my dad and she'll be like...what is he using the money for? for more wives? don't you know we need to pay off bills....blah blah blah blah...(in hmong of course)...and it's not because my mom hates him that drove me to comment that he sucks...but it's also that he freakin left behind some soldiers and families...sure...i know that i only live in this country because vp "helped" my parents to come and such and such...but hell...bash me all you want...i don't care...so yeah...the end for me...

GVP is a true hmong leader...don't think so? well think of one hmong who is a better leader? come on try me....

I think so

Dumb people make it a big deal on just one men...Like he steals money...

Pa Kao Her

-Led resistence in Laos
-Actually stayed in Laos to fight (unlike Vang Pao who took off to US)
-A scholar/Soldier
-A true patriot for Democracy and to his people
-Created the Pahwah writing system for us Hmongs
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hmong.htm



My dad.

Pao Her

He's only a legal assistence and don't earn much, but he holds high morals, and built a real good reputation in the Hmong community.

Too bad, none of his childern matches up to that including me......for now

NOTE: My dad isn't Pa Kao Her

Too bad Pa Kao got hit up with the AK in Thailand....I'd agree he has true leadership qualities....anyone go to his funeral a few years ago...it was in Fresno...

He was trying to unite Laos into a Democracy.

Chia Vang should lead the hmong after he gets outta jail just like Mendella!!!

Well really we dont need a leader.

In the year 20xx, a child will be born to a virgin Hmong woman. This child will lead the Hmong to victory over... over some robots... and... you get my point. There ain't gonna be any great Hmong leader. We're in America now, we don't need a leader. It's not like we have a country and there is a war and we really need a leader to lead us to victory.

uh hello...you freakin wonder why you're in a better place other than in Thailan, Laos, Vietnam...or wat so ever?????

yea we do, fool.

WTF did Vang Pao ever do for us.........all he did was fu-king lead us to war and abandon most of the hmong people thats wat he did, and the reason y i am here today becuz my parents had to cross the mekong river.....where was general vang pao at when my parents crossed no where to be found so yea he doesnt deserve to be on...........all he does is show up at the new year cut a ribbon and bam who gives a fu-k bout him................

He couldn't be everywhere at once.. Im kidding ahhaah..